[03:12] <mapp> ;]
[03:12] <mapp> cold wet andmiserable
[03:12] <mapp> what anice night
[03:14] <shauno> no kidding!  my window got hit by a low-flying umbrella earlier :(
[03:14] <mapp> ;(
[03:16] <mapp> wish i had an umbrella..normally they break in the wind but tonight wasnt too windy and of course im umbrella-less
[03:16] <shauno> umbrellas should be banned.  they simply don't work here
[03:17] <shauno> they bug me because the trash cans in town are always stuffed full of them.  silly tourists
[03:17] <mapp> hahahaha yep
[03:17] <mapp> when its windy see em everywhere
[03:17] <mapp> every single one iv had has always broken.cheap or expensive
[03:17] <shauno> I'm right on the coast.  it's almost always windy
[03:18] <shauno> but tourists don't seem to realise that the irish solution to rain is pubs, not umbrellas
[03:30] <mapp> lol
[03:31] <mapp> so youre in ireland.didnt know:)
[06:50] <jussi> foobarry: I was reading backlog and saw this...
[06:50] <jussi> [16:51:00] <foobarry> lately my car leaked, my boiler is playing up, got 2 bikes nicked, hole in my roof, needed a new fence... :(
[06:50] <jussi> I think maybe you should write some country music...
[06:50] <MooDoo> HEllo All
[06:51] <jussi> (sorry, sounds horrible what happened)
[06:51] <jussi> hi MooDoo
[06:51]  * jussi is just waiting for the coffee to brew
[06:52] <mapp> hey
[07:05] <jussi> morning mapp
[07:06] <jussi> missing an s today...
[07:13] <mapp> morning mate
[07:13] <mapp> yes
[07:13] <mapp> :D
[07:13] <mapp> OH WTF
[07:14] <mapp> i just saw
[07:14] <mapp> no wonder i had 40mins downtime earlier
[07:14] <mapp> look at my host
[07:14] <mapp> that downtime muste been when i went from o2 to bethere
[07:14] <mapp> just saw my host skybroadband.com
[07:14] <mapp> and a different IP
[07:14] <mapp> ARGH
[07:14] <mapp> i had 94.193.78.219 for 6 bloody years
[07:14] <mapp> why couldnt they switch me over and keep it
[07:16] <mapp> now heres a question
[07:16] <mapp> my payment with bethere/o2 was manul as they messed it up
[07:16] <mapp> do i phone sky and sort it out or leave it and let them contact me:)
[07:18] <jussi> mapp: be proactive or youll end up with big bills.
[07:19] <mapp> but itd be same as if i pay it one by one
[07:20] <mapp> i planned to switch b4 it went to sky
[07:20] <mapp> didnt think itd happen yet
[07:38]  * MartijnVdS "Me too"s on Laney's vim bug
[07:38] <MartijnVdS> (bug 1295127_
[09:00] <diplo> Morning all
[09:05] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Tuesday, and happy Tolkien Reading Day! :-D
[09:08] <bashrc> morning
[09:49] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:50] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:50] <bigcalm> Can anybody recommend (through usage) a desktop SIP client?
[09:51] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[09:51] <directhex> bigcalm, empathy has full sip functionality, if you can make it work & it's not broken in today's ubuntu
[09:52] <directhex> bigcalm, whereas sflphone isn't pretty, but *works*
[09:53] <jussi> havent used it for a while, but last I remember blink worked...
[09:54] <ali1234> N900 makes a nice "desktop" sip/skype phone... you can put it on your desk...
[09:54] <jussi> !info qutecom
[09:55]  * bigcalm bangs head against desk
[09:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: sflphone. It's the nuts: http://sflphone.org/
[09:56] <bigcalm> Setting up SIP on my android phone was simple with Acrobit Softphone
[09:56] <davmor2> bigcalm: stop doing that you might damage the desk
[09:57] <bigcalm> But getting a desktop client to work is not happening for me. None of them have working audio
[09:57] <bigcalm> Which makes me think that there's a problem with Ubuntu 13.10
[09:57] <ali1234> probably a codec mismatch
[09:57] <bigcalm> Got something working on 14.04 (laptop) last night though
[09:58] <ali1234> try calling desktop to desktop and see if that works
[09:58] <bigcalm> How does one do that?
[09:58] <ali1234> get two computers and call one from the other
[09:58] <ali1234> or run two copies of empathy or something
[09:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: telepathy-sofiasip ekiga sflphone and linphone are all on par-ish.  Personally I use sofiasip in empathy
[09:59] <ali1234> don't ask me how you would do that. virtualbox maybe?
[10:00] <davmor2> bigcalm: empathy + telepathy-sofiasip works fine for me for the company conf system if that helps at all and it is fairly easy to setup
[10:03]  * bigcalm wonders if one can't use the same sip account in more than one place at once
[10:05] <bigcalm> Sod it, back to work
[10:05] <bigcalm> Thanks though peeps :)
[10:18] <dwatkins> bigcalm: I believe so (that's exactly what my brother was working on a couple years ago), but I'm not sure you can log in with the same account (e.g. sipgate) from two devices at the same time.
[10:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: dwatkins That's called SIP branching I think and is a SIP Proxy feature - I don't think SIP servers (Asterisk for example) allow multiple registrations from the same address though.
[10:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> I think normally, the SIP server will just alert the most recently registered device unless it is explicitly supported.
[10:37] <bigcalm> Ah. I have my mobile connected to my sipgate account. This would be why it's not working on the desktop?
[10:37] <bigcalm> That would mean having to unplug a desktop SIP phone when away from the office :|
[10:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Or have multiple accounts and create a ring group.
[10:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> That is the normal way ;-)
[10:38] <bigcalm> Humm, fair enough
[10:44] <popey> i have two devices connected to the same SIP server
[10:44] <popey> and they both work for ringing out, but i rarely get people ringing in, if they do, it only rings one device
[10:51] <bigcalm> Until my boss decides to really get SIP sorted out, it's mostly a thought experiment :(
[10:52] <bigcalm> Will wait until he orders some desk phones
[10:52] <bigcalm> Any good? http://www.ebuyer.com/239679-cisco-small-business-spa-303-ip-phone-spa303-g3
[10:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes bigcalm We're using them :-)
[10:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> With Asterisk
[10:57] <bigcalm> Good to know :)
[10:57] <bigcalm> So you spent the time to set up Asterisk yourself?
[10:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> We run FreePBX on a Virtual Machine in germany
[10:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Have SIP trunks from our phone provider in Dorchester
[10:58] <bigcalm> Who do you use for trunking?
[11:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> These guys: http://www.poundbury.com/
[11:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> But this is historic, we've been with them for years...
[11:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> Good service though.
[11:05] <bigcalm> Do you use it only in the office?
[11:05] <bigcalm> Or do you have something set-up for remote working?
[11:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:09] <directhex> we use polycom
[11:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have Seimens Gigaset phones at home (pstn & SIP) and AlanBell did have SipDriod on his mobile too I think.
[11:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: these phones: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2008/04/siemens-gigaset-685ip-phones/ (Since April 2008) :-) just starting to replace the batteries now.
[11:27] <dwatkins> We use Asterisk internally for testing SIP stuffs, it's running on a really underpowered virtual machine, so the voice quality is awful, but it works. It didn't take long to setup, either.
[11:34] <directhex> asterisk is basically a realtime app
[11:35] <directhex> quality suffers immensely if interrupts are not serviced instantly
[11:35] <directhex> freeswitch is much much more forgiving
[11:46] <dwatkins> I imagine it's also best to run Asterisk on the bare metal, not in a virtual machine (unless the server is nice and fast)
[11:52] <bigcalm> Just had a call with my father (he rang the number for my sipgate.co.uk account) and it worked really well - on my mobile.
[11:52] <bigcalm> Bit of a delay from one person to the other though
[11:53] <popey> that's probably provider-specific
[11:53] <bigcalm> Yes
[11:53] <popey> i see no delay with our company * server in london
[11:54] <bigcalm> I am wondering if we should go with separate * server and trunk provider
[12:06] <dwatkins> bigcalm: I can [privately] give you my SIP number if you want to test the voice quality on a call made to SIPgate (via the mobile phone network's data)
[12:12] <bigcalm> dwatkins: maybe another time, but thanks :) Just a bit busy right now
[12:12] <dwatkins> ok, no worries
[13:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just FYI, we don't have any noticeable issues with our * server being in Germany in a VM and our SIP phones in Farnham.
[13:09] <dwatkins> TheOpenSourcerer: I'm guessing the vm server has more than a single Pentium 4 core at 2.8 GHz ;)
[13:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[13:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> 32G RAM, 12 cores (6 + hyperthreads) @ 3.4Ghz IIRC
[13:13] <smittix> Has anyone got a finger print reader working in Ubuntu?
[13:14] <smittix> Or is it better just to forget about it heh
[13:14] <popey> I have one, but never use it
[13:14] <smittix> It as pretty nice to quickly login with it is all.
[13:14] <smittix> I can do with out it though.
[13:15] <smittix> Need to see if I can switch this Nvidia card off next.
[13:19] <directhex> i looked into fingerprint reading
[13:19] <directhex> but there's a huge list of problems with using it
[13:23] <smittix> Oh
[13:24] <smittix> Been away from Ubuntu for too long.
[13:24] <smittix> Is Ubuntu Tweak still going?
[13:25] <popey> yes
[13:26] <popey> there's a unity tweak tool which is nice
[13:26] <smittix> Cool, will check it out.
[13:27] <smittix> Will be a little learning for me getting my RTLSDR stuff up and running in Ubuntu too.
[13:30] <Myrtti> smittix: depends on the hardware, atleast on my work Dell Latitude it's a no-go
[13:31] <smittix> Well, there was only 2 things I was worried about on this laptop using Ubuntu. 1, Fingerprint Reader (which I'm not too fussed about) 2, Nvidia optimus
[13:32] <smittix> I can do without the Nvidia card so could probably try and turn it off to save battery consumptions (if possible)
[13:55] <directhex> smittix, you might not be able to do without the nvidia card, depends on how the laptop is wired internally
[13:58] <smittix> I will have a gander then. Thanks directhex
[14:15] <foobarry> i have multiple google accounts, how do i change the name on one of them to foobarry work or foobarry do not use
[14:34] <shauno> not an answer, but do you ever get g+ sending you emails suggesting you might know yourself?
[14:34] <smittix> HEH
[14:35] <shauno> I get them about every 2 weeks at the moment :/
[14:35] <smittix> Does anyone suffer lag when dragging an icon from dash to launcher?
[14:36] <foobarry> shauno: yes
[14:36] <foobarry> i want to disable g+ but i want a youtube account with that login
[14:38] <mapp> hey
[14:38] <mapp> so im with sky now hey...so i had o2 (bethere) before...18 quid o2 10 quid sky..will sky charge me a tenner?
[14:41] <dwatkins> mapp: I had a similar dilemma, and will be switching to PlusNet soon, £25 a month for FTTC.
[14:42] <mapp> i had no choice..:< sky bought bethere and slowly moved everyone over
[14:42] <mapp> so i was paying 18quidfor o2 (bethere) but now im moved to sky..will sky charge me 10 quid which is what a sky customer pays?
[14:42] <mapp> or will they leave it and let me pay more lol
[14:43] <foobarry> is it possible to buy cheap broadband with out phoen rental yet?
[14:43] <mapp> yea
[14:43] <mapp> sky
[14:43] <mapp> 10 quid !!
[14:44] <dwatkins> you still have to pay line rental somehow, though.
[14:44] <dwatkins> it might be included, though, not sure.
[14:44] <foobarry> not for ten quid
[14:44] <dwatkins> I imagine if you get your broadband from BT they have a really cheap offer, but yeah - line rental is more than £10 a month, I'm sure.
[14:44] <smittix> Doesn't Virgin Media allow you to have bb without a telephone?
[14:44] <foobarry> the only calls i get on the land line are indian people who don't speak english
[14:45] <foobarry> smittix: yes with fibre for ££
[14:45] <dwatkins> smittix: yeah, but if you do have a landline with Virgin, it's practically free if you have broadband with them, iirc.
[14:45] <foobarry> so not a good deal
[14:45] <mapp> oh yea but i thought umeant without oaying the same company
[14:45] <smittix> I'm with them, I can't even remember what I pay :S
[14:45] <foobarry> no i don't want a home phone
[14:45] <foobarry> but i don't want to be penalised with virgin rip off "deal"
[14:45] <dwatkins> I'm currently with IDNet, they're superb (have UK support department who pick up the phone within 2 rings, network has been superb) but they're £45 a month!
[14:45] <foobarry> also, i need a 3 line bio - anyone done one?
[14:46] <foobarry> foobarry likes open source and haribo.
[14:46] <smittix> I do know though every year I go through to customer retentions and tell them I'm going to sky.
[14:46] <dwatkins> foobarry: make it a haiku ;)]
[14:46] <smittix> Until they give me something free.
[14:47] <mapp> IDNet
[14:47] <mapp> heh
[14:47] <mapp> idnet a small isp?
[14:48] <mapp> i tried that with o2 on my phone contract and got nothing?! so just left and went with ee
[14:48] <foobarry> dwatkins: hmm good one. there are longer haiku too
[14:49] <mapp> 3 line bio?
[14:49] <foobarry> the first cold shower
[14:49] <foobarry> even the monkey seems to want
[14:50] <foobarry> a little coat of straw
[14:50] <mapp> guess il have to google
[14:50] <mapp> no idea of 3 line bio or haiku:)
[14:50] <foobarry> mapp: 3 lines or 50 words on your career history and summary
[14:51] <mapp> ah
[14:51] <mapp> i thought we were still on isp talk
[14:51] <mapp> lol
[14:51] <foobarry> a three line bio/is required of my good self/i will write one now
[14:51] <mapp> ah
[14:54] <mapp> so why do you pay so much dwatkins> 45/month seems a lot
[14:56] <dwatkins> mapp: indeed, IDNet are £20 a month more than the same from PlusNet. I think IDNet are mainly a business ISP. Also, I have a cap of 200 GB/month, which is double plus ungood.
[15:03] <mapp> a cap still sucks:(
[15:11] <foobarry> anyone ever experience hung ssh sessions due to lack of serveraliveinterval settings?
[15:12] <dwatkins> never even heard of it until now, foobarry [ ServerAliveInterval: number of seconds that the client will wait before sending a null packet to the server (to keep the connection alive). ]
[15:13] <foobarry> i'm getting hung ssh sessions only on my hpc cluster
[15:13] <dwatkins> I've had ssh sessions drop on some systems, presumably due to this being set to 0, to disable this feature.
[15:13] <dwatkins> Are you sure it's not due to something more fundamental, like the IP address changing?
[15:13] <foobarry> nope
[15:13] <foobarry> on a desktop pc
[15:13] <foobarry> i regularly leave ssh sessions open for days
[15:13] <dwatkins> I mean that of the server, unlikely as that is.
[15:13] <foobarry> these ones are freezing
[15:14] <dwatkins> as do I - I'm running this irssi session on a machine across the Atlantic from me, I usually stay logged in to it for hours if not days at a time.
[15:14] <ali1234> i irc directly through a ssh tunnel
[15:14] <foobarry> changed my conf file ..let's see
[15:14] <ali1234> no remote irssi session
[15:15] <dwatkins> I reconnect to my screen/irssi session from home or work
[15:15] <ali1234> you can check the logs to see how often i disconnect... it does happen, but i use autossh to bring the tunnel up if it goes down
[15:16] <ali1234> in my experience keepalive doesn't really help at all
[15:17] <ali1234> if the connection hangs it's because some packet got lost or something and there's no recovering from that
[15:17] <ali1234> so what you want is to make it exit clean instead of hanging
[15:17] <foobarry> i suspect its a firwall issue inbetween
[15:17] <ali1234> yeah
[15:17] <foobarry> timing out a session
[15:18] <foobarry> they put a cisco in recently
[15:18] <ali1234> here, my ssh connection will fail if my internet goes down and comes back up
[15:18] <ali1234> i have a static IP and on my old router the connection would stay alive on reconnect. but on the new one it doesn't, it just hangs - so it doesn't even realise the connection has died
[15:21] <foobarry> i'm blaming networks team
[15:27] <dwatkins> I used to have rlwrap+autossh+screen+irssi
[15:32] <mapp> autossh?!
[15:32] <dwatkins> what about it, mapp?
[15:32] <mapp> i never fully understand ssh tunnelling/port forwarding with it
[15:32] <mapp> just never heard of it:D
[15:32] <dwatkins> I don't use port forwarding with autossh, at least not right now.
[15:33] <dwatkins> autossh will keep the connection alive if the network is disconnected and reconnected, so you don't have to press up-arrow and hit return ;)
[15:33] <dwatkins> combined with -t 'screen -drU' it will also reconnect to an existing screen session.
[15:33] <mapp> cant do that with putty i assume
[15:34] <mapp> it must be linux only i take it?
[15:34] <dwatkins> I don't know - you can probably have it run a command to reconnect to a screen session at least. There might be some kind of keepalive option in PuTTY.
[15:35] <mapp> might look into it..i always have to open putty and connect again
[15:35] <mapp> i did use some windows client thatd auto reconnect that was neat
[15:36] <dwatkins> mapp: http://superuser.com/questions/187293/putty-automatic-reconnect-after-internet-interruption
[15:36] <mapp> dont suppose anyone had any idea re my networking question daftykins said it was my wireless card..but say i restat the router it doesnt come back online
[15:37] <mapp> and if im not at home i cant restart it..and cant ssh in obviously as its just hung..guess thees nothing besides get a new card
[15:38] <dwatkins> what doesn't restart/reconnect exactly, mapp, or is it that the machine gets a different IP address?
[15:38] <mapp> say i restarted my router now or had a powercut the xubuntu machine would just stay there unconected...it may say it has an ip on ifconfig i think i manually set it so its static
[15:38] <mapp> but it wouldnt regain connectivity
[15:38] <dwatkins> also, depending on how it's set up, it might require you to be logged in for wifi to connect.
[15:38] <mapp> it starts on boot
[15:39] <dwatkins> so you have the SSID and passphrase set in /etc/network/interfaces file or similar, a static IP address, but it doesn't work until a particular point?
[15:39] <mapp> yea
[15:40] <mapp> like it works now
[15:40] <mapp> and its all fine..if i turned my router off then back on..it wouldnt work again without me rebooting
[15:40] <mapp> surely there's a way to solve that1
[15:40] <mapp> =[
[16:25] <dwatkins> mapp: that depends on how the client machine is configured, it might be worth considering having the machine itself use DHCP and have the router give it a specific IP address based on the wifi adapter's MAC address.
[16:26] <dwatkins> I'm not sure at what point the wifi is initialised at boot-time, or whether it will renegotiate if the router is reset in the case of the client having a static IP, of at-all
[16:26] <dwatkins> *if at-all
[17:01] <daftykins> mapp: just to confirm, you have the wireless password inside /etc/network/interfaces ? so you don't use network manager at all?
[18:05] <maps|wrk> forgot my sodding ip
[18:06] <maps|wrk> 5ec3f432.skybroadband.com whats the ip
[18:06] <maps|wrk> cant use / dns on webchat
[18:07] <daftykins> sec
[18:07] <maps|wrk> got it:D useddnssstuff
[18:07] <daftykins> ^_^
[18:07] <popey> heh
[18:07] <popey> your ip is echo'ed here
[18:07] <popey> 18:05:35 -!- maps|wrk [515ed518@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.94.213.24] has joined #ubuntu-uk
[18:07] <maps|wrk> thats my work ip:P
[18:07] <popey> ah ☻
[18:07] <maps|wrk> wanted to connect to my machine
[18:08] <maps|wrk> crap
[18:08] <maps|wrk> installed Zentyal and its taken over my apache
[18:08] <maps|wrk> so i cant get to my shellinabox or qwebirc client..hmm
[18:08] <maps|wrk> and i cant login to it..great
[18:09] <maps|wrk> not what i wanted;/
[18:09] <daftykins> doh!
[18:10] <maps|wrk> https://94.195.244.50 works but yea its going to zentayl not my apache setup..removing it should fix this?
[18:10] <daftykins> or just reconfigure it to run on another port so they can co-exist
[18:10] <maps|wrk> and it doesnt appear to use the system u/p for access and i havent set anyt up so i cant login]
[18:10] <maps|wrk> i cant do that now though
[18:10] <maps|wrk> i also thought i had i selected port 444
[18:10] <maps|wrk> ssl is 443 iirc?
[18:11] <maps|wrk> but somehow it's working on https ,,., and my apache isnt listening on 8080?
[18:11] <maps|wrk> ah well
[18:11] <maps|wrk> got the tennis on at least and theres the big game later..just cant mess about with my machine ;/
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/microsoft-releases-source-code-for-ms-dos-and-word/
[18:56] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: nice
[18:58] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: lol @ the last paragraph
[18:59] <diddledan> I'm thinking that if you're running XP for those 20 intervening years then you'll be sploited up the wazoo
[19:00] <diddledan> heh, looks like it's popular - the backend is down
[19:00] <diddledan> Error 503 Service Unavailable
[19:00] <diddledan> complete with a guru meditation error
[19:01] <daftykins> what is?
[19:01] <diddledan> daftykins: http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm/microsoft-ms-dos-early-source-code
[19:02] <daftykins> ah ok the actual thing, silly me
[19:02] <diddledan> yeah I wasn't clear that I'd clicked through :-p
[19:02] <diddledan> this page works: http://www.computerhistory.org/press/ms-source-code.html
[19:03] <daftykins> copying 170GB over USB 2 ;_;
[19:15] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mArrNRWQEso
[19:15] <diddledan> larry page on a ted video
[19:17] <daftykins> wow he has an... odd voice
[19:18] <diddledan> he had a condition which caused it a couple years ago
[19:18] <daftykins> ah
[19:19] <diddledan> he disappeared from the public eye because he was so self-conscious about it, and made a "comeback" at a google-io conference
[19:20] <diddledan> http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-05-14/larry-page-explains-why-he-lost-his-voice
[19:23] <daftykins> day-um
[19:23] <Saur0_> hi can anyone help me set up lvm with 4 x 4TB disks?
[19:24] <daftykins> i was under the impression LVM will only pool the disks into one volume - it won't offer any safeguards against data loss?
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> not necessarily
[19:25] <diddledan> right lvm doesn't do redundancy by itself IIRC
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> LVM can do striping
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> lvcreate -i
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> also -I
[19:26] <daftykins> as in striping like RAID 0?
[19:26] <daftykins> or with parity
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> striping as in raid 1
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: I think.. there's also -m for mirroring
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> so.. I don't really know
[19:27] <diddledan> raid 1 is mirroring
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> lvm can do both I guess
[20:01] <diddledan> so.. this is a bit of overkill for your tuesday evening: http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/03/25/titan-z/
[20:02] <popey> golly
[20:03] <daftykins> just need a small bank loan and a 2 foot desk fan to cool it
[20:04] <diddledan> then there's their plans for 2016: http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/03/25/gpu-roadmap-pascal/
[20:05] <diddledan> NVLink - 80GB/s interconnect between system and gfx instead of PCIe's 16GB/s
[20:06] <diddledan> I wonder what AMD will do in response to that - means that mobos will only be able to support nV or AMD and not both
[20:07] <daftykins> hrmm that doesn't sound too practical
[20:07] <daftykins> i don't see intel accepting it
[20:08] <daftykins> that silly social network sharing bar on the left is stopping me seeing the entire text
[20:08] <diddledan> open the inspector and put a display:none on it's css
[20:09] <daftykins> heh
[20:09] <diddledan> or. get a bigger monitor
[20:09] <daftykins> i browse with sort of just over half width ;)
[20:09] <diddledan> well then, here's a radical idea - resize the window?
[20:09] <daftykins> yes yes :P
[20:10] <daftykins> more pointing out poor design
[20:10] <diddledan> I have three monitors and it still isn't enough
[20:10] <daftykins> yeah more display area is a slippery slope
[20:12] <diddledan> I wonder if I can justify a 30" epeen?
[20:12] <diddledan> erm.. monitor**
[20:13] <daftykins> i'm not a fan of 30s, my client has one
[20:13] <daftykins> you have to pan your head =/
[20:13] <daftykins> much prefer my pair of 24s
[20:16] <foobarry> 27 is nice
[20:47] <diddledan> is that a mistake - latest updates to 14.04 have brought-in "browser" from touch
[20:48] <diddledan> i.e. my desktop now has the touch browser in addition to firefox
[21:25] <popey> diddledan: oxide
[21:25] <popey> ?
[21:26] <popey> hmm, i didnt get it
[21:26] <diddledan> popey: in the dash it's listed as "browser" and in it's title bar it says "ubuntu browser"
[21:26] <popey> oh, i have that
[21:27] <diddledan> a load of qt5 came along with it
[21:28] <popey> do you have aptitude installed?
[21:29] <diddledan> nope
[21:30] <diddledan> it comes from the package "webbrowser-app"
[21:32] <popey> ahh, webapp-container, thats why
[21:32] <popey> yay
[21:32] <popey> $ aptitude why webbrowser-app
[21:32] <popey> i   webapp-container Depends webbrowser-app (= 0.23+14.04.20140319-0ubuntu1)
[21:33] <diddledan> which is brought-in by qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-extras-browser-plugin
[21:33] <diddledan> (I think)
[21:33] <diddledan> might be the other way about, though, I suck at reading depends/rdepends output
[21:33] <diddledan> ooh
[21:34] <diddledan> I get that it's depended-on by unity-webapps-service which depends on webapp-container
[21:34] <diddledan> I've installed aptitude now
[21:35] <popey> ☻
[21:36] <diddledan> yeah it all drills back down to ubuntu-desktop
[21:37] <diddledan> ubuntu-desktop -> unity-webapps-common -> unity-webapps-service -> webapp-container -> webbrowser-app
[21:39] <diddledan> locally-integrated menus is doing something fun and new in the realm of menus - quite interesting that they're not actually an additional thing but hidden behind the title bar
[21:41] <diddledan> kinda hybrid between ubuntu's hidden global menu and everyone and their dogs' window-integrated screen-real-estate-using menus
[21:46] <diddledan> why am I lagging? I just got silenced for flooding #wordpress because of lag
[21:49] <diddledan> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26723457
[21:49] <diddledan> lol
[22:01] <Azelphur> hmm...dunno if anyone has noticed this, but go to xubuntu.org, and look at the screenshot on the front page, specifically look at the date on the panel :P
[22:03] <daftykins> Facebook to acquire Oculus
[22:03] <daftykins> oooh dear
[22:05]  * Azelphur is giggling at the silliness xubuntu snuck into the screenshots
[22:06] <daftykins> Azelphur: ? :)
[22:06] <daftykins> oh just saw above comment
[22:06] <daftykins> hang on
[22:06] <Azelphur> :P
[22:07] <daftykins> Sex! D:
[22:07] <Azelphur> haha
[22:07] <bigcalm> ?
[22:07] <daftykins> and slickymaster
[22:07] <daftykins> bigcalm: http://xubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/abiword_gnumeric.png
[22:07] <Azelphur> at first I thought it was a non-english translation, but all the screenshots are clearly using the english dialect
[22:08] <bigcalm> Nice :)
[22:08] <bigcalm> Day of the week?
[22:08] <Azelphur> subliminal messaging is what it is :P
[22:08] <Azelphur> bigcalm: indeed
[22:08]  * daftykins goes off with an inexplicable desire to find slickymaster
[22:09] <Azelphur> haha
[22:10] <diddledan> I need sex now
[22:10] <Azelphur> careful, don't forget it's a PG channel
[22:10] <diddledan> I mean, it's totally the right day of the week!
[22:11] <Azelphur> haha
[22:11] <diddledan> I wasn't going to involve the channel ;-)
[22:11] <daftykins> * diddledan posts the statement to all his social networks
[22:15] <diddledan> hmm, should I buy the humble ebook bungle?
[22:17] <daftykins> sounds like it's doomed to fail if it's a bungle
[22:20] <ali1234> xfce :)
[22:21] <ali1234> that screenshot wasn't intentional
[22:21] <ali1234> slickymaster isn't english
[22:21] <ali1234> he changed the locale to do the screenshot, but the panel didn't update (would be my guess)
[22:22] <ali1234> daftykins: you can find slickymaster in #xubuntu-dev, but the bug was already reported i think
[22:23] <ali1234> as for facebook buying oculus... well i hope they fix the license on the SDK
[22:23] <ali1234> it's a horrible crayon license currently, which is basically "BSD but we can revoke your rights to use it at any time for any reason"
[22:27] <ali1234> yeah, "sex" is portuguese for "fri"(day)
[22:28] <daftykins> wow
[22:28] <daftykins> that's quite a cunning association
[22:28] <diddledan> I prefer to see it as a reminder
[22:28] <diddledan> :-p
[22:32] <ali1234> in portuguese apparently the says are called "first day", "second day" etc
[22:33] <ali1234> and sunday is first day of the week
[22:33] <diddledan> how simple
[22:33] <diddledan> first day, second day, through to sex day and seventh day
[22:33] <daftykins> client of mine likes Sunday as the first
[22:33] <ali1234> sexta-feira literally means "sixth day"
[22:33] <daftykins> but it's the week-END !?
[22:33] <ali1234> daftykins: yeah i know right?
[22:34] <daftykins> btw i would like to make you gentlemen jealous
[22:34] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/am3xgv5iyllpo9f/IMG_20140325_212753.jpg
[22:34] <diddledan> it's melting
[22:35] <daftykins> by design sir, by design
[22:35] <diddledan> I wont say that it looks like an orange atop a turd
[22:35] <diddledan> :-p
[22:36] <ali1234> is that toffee pudding with a treacle sponge on top?
[22:36] <diddledan> silly restaurants and their candle illumination ruining photos
[22:36] <diddledan> ali1234: isn't that what I said? :-p
[22:37] <daftykins> sticky toffee pudding with vanilla ice cream
[22:37] <diddledan> ice cream ftw!
[22:37] <daftykins> silly restaurants and their 'we can't afford lighting' approach most times, even
[22:38] <diddledan> ice cream is awesome
[22:38] <diddledan> it's almost as good as what happens on fridays
[22:49] <bigcalm> popey: ping
[22:51] <popey> bigcalm: pong
[22:51] <bigcalm> Hazar
[23:07] <daftykins> geek pr0n anyone?
[23:07] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/t0y7csfxl6pvbh9/IMG_20140325_230157.jpg
[23:07] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9gy5ueruvzg93d0/IMG_20140325_230610.jpg
[23:08] <shauno> I .. uhm .. question your taste
[23:08] <daftykins> haha
[23:09] <daftykins> yeah a lowly acer 15.6" surely isn't my idea of a good one
[23:09] <daftykins> but hey, a task is a task
[23:09] <shauno> it's more the dust that turned me off
[23:10] <daftykins> i've seen quite a few of these 5000 series
[23:10] <daftykins> had those two that required new DC jacks a bit ago
[23:10] <shauno> this is my nekkid toys for the day :)  https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/1655995_10153981281380578_1484815336_n.jpg
[23:10] <shauno> a day off quite successfully wasted
[23:12] <daftykins> hehehe
[23:12] <daftykins> just messing about or got a project on the go?
[23:13] <shauno> just put a kit together.  pretty thought-free, but I'm really out of practice, so it was entertaining
[23:19] <bigcalm> People with SIP experience. Why would an ekiga.net account not be able to call a sipgate.co.uk account and visa versa?
[23:34] <daftykins> shauno: neat - what does it do? :)
[23:34] <shauno> it beeps!
[23:35] <daftykins> :O
[23:36] <bigcalm> Does it have a blue led?
[23:36] <shauno> no :(
[23:36] <bigcalm> Pants
[23:36] <shauno> :(  sorry
[23:36] <bigcalm> Hehe
[23:37] <daftykins> go to your room XD
[23:37] <daftykins> hmm still hitting high temps, i'll save it for tomorrow to replace the thermal paste
[23:37] <daftykins> i don't like doing full disassemblies too late at night, i forget things the next day when putting them back together :D
[23:39] <bigcalm> Wow, it's late. Sleep now
[23:40] <daftykins> indeed!