=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [03:12] ;] [03:12] cold wet andmiserable [03:12] what anice night [03:14] no kidding! my window got hit by a low-flying umbrella earlier :( [03:14] ;( [03:16] wish i had an umbrella..normally they break in the wind but tonight wasnt too windy and of course im umbrella-less [03:16] umbrellas should be banned. they simply don't work here [03:17] they bug me because the trash cans in town are always stuffed full of them. silly tourists [03:17] hahahaha yep [03:17] when its windy see em everywhere [03:17] every single one iv had has always broken.cheap or expensive [03:17] I'm right on the coast. it's almost always windy [03:18] but tourists don't seem to realise that the irish solution to rain is pubs, not umbrellas [03:30] lol [03:31] so youre in ireland.didnt know:) [06:50] foobarry: I was reading backlog and saw this... [06:50] [16:51:00] lately my car leaked, my boiler is playing up, got 2 bikes nicked, hole in my roof, needed a new fence... :( [06:50] I think maybe you should write some country music... [06:50] HEllo All [06:51] (sorry, sounds horrible what happened) [06:51] hi MooDoo [06:51] * jussi is just waiting for the coffee to brew [06:52] hey [07:05] morning mapp [07:06] missing an s today... [07:13] morning mate [07:13] yes [07:13] :D [07:13] OH WTF [07:14] i just saw [07:14] no wonder i had 40mins downtime earlier [07:14] look at my host [07:14] that downtime muste been when i went from o2 to bethere [07:14] just saw my host skybroadband.com [07:14] and a different IP [07:14] ARGH [07:14] i had 94.193.78.219 for 6 bloody years [07:14] why couldnt they switch me over and keep it [07:16] now heres a question [07:16] my payment with bethere/o2 was manul as they messed it up [07:16] do i phone sky and sort it out or leave it and let them contact me:) [07:18] mapp: be proactive or youll end up with big bills. [07:19] but itd be same as if i pay it one by one [07:20] i planned to switch b4 it went to sky [07:20] didnt think itd happen yet [07:38] * MartijnVdS "Me too"s on Laney's vim bug [07:38] (bug 1295127_ [07:38] bug 1295127 in vim (Ubuntu) "gvim has messed up global menus" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1295127 [09:00] Morning all [09:05] Good morning all! Happy Tuesday, and happy Tolkien Reading Day! :-D [09:08] morning [09:49] morning boys and girls. [09:50] Good morning peeps :) [09:50] Can anybody recommend (through usage) a desktop SIP client? [09:51] morning bigcalm [09:51] bigcalm, empathy has full sip functionality, if you can make it work & it's not broken in today's ubuntu [09:52] bigcalm, whereas sflphone isn't pretty, but *works* [09:53] havent used it for a while, but last I remember blink worked... [09:54] N900 makes a nice "desktop" sip/skype phone... you can put it on your desk... [09:54] !info qutecom [09:54] qutecom (source: qutecom): SIP-based software telephone with video and chat features. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.1+dfsg1-3ubuntu2 (saucy), package size 2564 kB, installed size 7410 kB [09:55] * bigcalm bangs head against desk [09:55] bigcalm: sflphone. It's the nuts: http://sflphone.org/ [09:56] Setting up SIP on my android phone was simple with Acrobit Softphone [09:56] bigcalm: stop doing that you might damage the desk [09:57] But getting a desktop client to work is not happening for me. None of them have working audio [09:57] Which makes me think that there's a problem with Ubuntu 13.10 [09:57] probably a codec mismatch [09:57] Got something working on 14.04 (laptop) last night though [09:58] try calling desktop to desktop and see if that works [09:58] How does one do that? [09:58] get two computers and call one from the other [09:58] or run two copies of empathy or something [09:59] bigcalm: telepathy-sofiasip ekiga sflphone and linphone are all on par-ish. Personally I use sofiasip in empathy [09:59] don't ask me how you would do that. virtualbox maybe? [10:00] bigcalm: empathy + telepathy-sofiasip works fine for me for the company conf system if that helps at all and it is fairly easy to setup [10:03] * bigcalm wonders if one can't use the same sip account in more than one place at once [10:05] Sod it, back to work [10:05] Thanks though peeps :) [10:18] bigcalm: I believe so (that's exactly what my brother was working on a couple years ago), but I'm not sure you can log in with the same account (e.g. sipgate) from two devices at the same time. [10:34] bigcalm: dwatkins That's called SIP branching I think and is a SIP Proxy feature - I don't think SIP servers (Asterisk for example) allow multiple registrations from the same address though. [10:36] I think normally, the SIP server will just alert the most recently registered device unless it is explicitly supported. [10:37] Ah. I have my mobile connected to my sipgate account. This would be why it's not working on the desktop? [10:37] That would mean having to unplug a desktop SIP phone when away from the office :| [10:38] Or have multiple accounts and create a ring group. [10:38] That is the normal way ;-) [10:38] Humm, fair enough [10:44] i have two devices connected to the same SIP server [10:44] and they both work for ringing out, but i rarely get people ringing in, if they do, it only rings one device [10:51] Until my boss decides to really get SIP sorted out, it's mostly a thought experiment :( [10:52] Will wait until he orders some desk phones [10:52] Any good? http://www.ebuyer.com/239679-cisco-small-business-spa-303-ip-phone-spa303-g3 [10:57] Yes bigcalm We're using them :-) [10:57] With Asterisk [10:57] Good to know :) [10:57] So you spent the time to set up Asterisk yourself? [10:58] We run FreePBX on a Virtual Machine in germany [10:58] Have SIP trunks from our phone provider in Dorchester [10:58] Who do you use for trunking? [11:02] These guys: http://www.poundbury.com/ [11:02] But this is historic, we've been with them for years... [11:03] Good service though. [11:05] Do you use it only in the office? [11:05] Or do you have something set-up for remote working? [11:08] Morning all [11:09] we use polycom [11:18] I have Seimens Gigaset phones at home (pstn & SIP) and AlanBell did have SipDriod on his mobile too I think. [11:19] bigcalm: these phones: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2008/04/siemens-gigaset-685ip-phones/ (Since April 2008) :-) just starting to replace the batteries now. [11:27] We use Asterisk internally for testing SIP stuffs, it's running on a really underpowered virtual machine, so the voice quality is awful, but it works. It didn't take long to setup, either. [11:34] asterisk is basically a realtime app [11:35] quality suffers immensely if interrupts are not serviced instantly [11:35] freeswitch is much much more forgiving [11:46] I imagine it's also best to run Asterisk on the bare metal, not in a virtual machine (unless the server is nice and fast) [11:52] Just had a call with my father (he rang the number for my sipgate.co.uk account) and it worked really well - on my mobile. [11:52] Bit of a delay from one person to the other though [11:53] that's probably provider-specific [11:53] Yes [11:53] i see no delay with our company * server in london [11:54] I am wondering if we should go with separate * server and trunk provider [12:06] bigcalm: I can [privately] give you my SIP number if you want to test the voice quality on a call made to SIPgate (via the mobile phone network's data) [12:12] dwatkins: maybe another time, but thanks :) Just a bit busy right now [12:12] ok, no worries === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:08] Just FYI, we don't have any noticeable issues with our * server being in Germany in a VM and our SIP phones in Farnham. [13:09] TheOpenSourcerer: I'm guessing the vm server has more than a single Pentium 4 core at 2.8 GHz ;) [13:09] :-D [13:10] 32G RAM, 12 cores (6 + hyperthreads) @ 3.4Ghz IIRC [13:13] Has anyone got a finger print reader working in Ubuntu? [13:14] Or is it better just to forget about it heh [13:14] I have one, but never use it [13:14] It as pretty nice to quickly login with it is all. [13:14] I can do with out it though. [13:15] Need to see if I can switch this Nvidia card off next. [13:19] i looked into fingerprint reading [13:19] but there's a huge list of problems with using it [13:23] Oh [13:24] Been away from Ubuntu for too long. [13:24] Is Ubuntu Tweak still going? [13:25] yes [13:26] there's a unity tweak tool which is nice [13:26] Cool, will check it out. [13:27] Will be a little learning for me getting my RTLSDR stuff up and running in Ubuntu too. [13:30] smittix: depends on the hardware, atleast on my work Dell Latitude it's a no-go [13:31] Well, there was only 2 things I was worried about on this laptop using Ubuntu. 1, Fingerprint Reader (which I'm not too fussed about) 2, Nvidia optimus [13:32] I can do without the Nvidia card so could probably try and turn it off to save battery consumptions (if possible) === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:55] smittix, you might not be able to do without the nvidia card, depends on how the laptop is wired internally [13:58] I will have a gander then. Thanks directhex [14:15] i have multiple google accounts, how do i change the name on one of them to foobarry work or foobarry do not use [14:34] not an answer, but do you ever get g+ sending you emails suggesting you might know yourself? [14:34] HEH [14:35] I get them about every 2 weeks at the moment :/ [14:35] Does anyone suffer lag when dragging an icon from dash to launcher? [14:36] shauno: yes [14:36] i want to disable g+ but i want a youtube account with that login [14:38] hey [14:38] so im with sky now hey...so i had o2 (bethere) before...18 quid o2 10 quid sky..will sky charge me a tenner? [14:41] mapp: I had a similar dilemma, and will be switching to PlusNet soon, £25 a month for FTTC. [14:42] i had no choice..:< sky bought bethere and slowly moved everyone over [14:42] so i was paying 18quidfor o2 (bethere) but now im moved to sky..will sky charge me 10 quid which is what a sky customer pays? [14:42] or will they leave it and let me pay more lol [14:43] is it possible to buy cheap broadband with out phoen rental yet? [14:43] yea [14:43] sky [14:43] 10 quid !! [14:44] you still have to pay line rental somehow, though. [14:44] it might be included, though, not sure. [14:44] not for ten quid [14:44] I imagine if you get your broadband from BT they have a really cheap offer, but yeah - line rental is more than £10 a month, I'm sure. [14:44] Doesn't Virgin Media allow you to have bb without a telephone? [14:44] the only calls i get on the land line are indian people who don't speak english [14:45] smittix: yes with fibre for ££ [14:45] smittix: yeah, but if you do have a landline with Virgin, it's practically free if you have broadband with them, iirc. [14:45] so not a good deal [14:45] oh yea but i thought umeant without oaying the same company [14:45] I'm with them, I can't even remember what I pay :S [14:45] no i don't want a home phone [14:45] but i don't want to be penalised with virgin rip off "deal" [14:45] I'm currently with IDNet, they're superb (have UK support department who pick up the phone within 2 rings, network has been superb) but they're £45 a month! [14:45] also, i need a 3 line bio - anyone done one? [14:46] foobarry likes open source and haribo. [14:46] I do know though every year I go through to customer retentions and tell them I'm going to sky. [14:46] foobarry: make it a haiku ;)] [14:46] Until they give me something free. [14:47] IDNet [14:47] heh [14:47] idnet a small isp? [14:48] i tried that with o2 on my phone contract and got nothing?! so just left and went with ee [14:48] dwatkins: hmm good one. there are longer haiku too [14:49] 3 line bio? [14:49] the first cold shower [14:49] even the monkey seems to want [14:50] a little coat of straw [14:50] guess il have to google [14:50] no idea of 3 line bio or haiku:) [14:50] mapp: 3 lines or 50 words on your career history and summary [14:51] ah [14:51] i thought we were still on isp talk [14:51] lol [14:51] a three line bio/is required of my good self/i will write one now [14:51] ah [14:54] so why do you pay so much dwatkins> 45/month seems a lot [14:56] mapp: indeed, IDNet are £20 a month more than the same from PlusNet. I think IDNet are mainly a business ISP. Also, I have a cap of 200 GB/month, which is double plus ungood. [15:03] a cap still sucks:( [15:11] anyone ever experience hung ssh sessions due to lack of serveraliveinterval settings? [15:12] never even heard of it until now, foobarry [ ServerAliveInterval: number of seconds that the client will wait before sending a null packet to the server (to keep the connection alive). ] [15:13] i'm getting hung ssh sessions only on my hpc cluster [15:13] I've had ssh sessions drop on some systems, presumably due to this being set to 0, to disable this feature. [15:13] Are you sure it's not due to something more fundamental, like the IP address changing? [15:13] nope [15:13] on a desktop pc [15:13] i regularly leave ssh sessions open for days [15:13] I mean that of the server, unlikely as that is. [15:13] these ones are freezing [15:14] as do I - I'm running this irssi session on a machine across the Atlantic from me, I usually stay logged in to it for hours if not days at a time. [15:14] i irc directly through a ssh tunnel [15:14] changed my conf file ..let's see [15:14] no remote irssi session [15:15] I reconnect to my screen/irssi session from home or work [15:15] you can check the logs to see how often i disconnect... it does happen, but i use autossh to bring the tunnel up if it goes down [15:16] in my experience keepalive doesn't really help at all [15:17] if the connection hangs it's because some packet got lost or something and there's no recovering from that [15:17] so what you want is to make it exit clean instead of hanging [15:17] i suspect its a firwall issue inbetween [15:17] yeah [15:17] timing out a session [15:18] they put a cisco in recently [15:18] here, my ssh connection will fail if my internet goes down and comes back up [15:18] i have a static IP and on my old router the connection would stay alive on reconnect. but on the new one it doesn't, it just hangs - so it doesn't even realise the connection has died [15:21] i'm blaming networks team [15:27] I used to have rlwrap+autossh+screen+irssi [15:32] autossh?! [15:32] what about it, mapp? [15:32] i never fully understand ssh tunnelling/port forwarding with it [15:32] just never heard of it:D [15:32] I don't use port forwarding with autossh, at least not right now. [15:33] autossh will keep the connection alive if the network is disconnected and reconnected, so you don't have to press up-arrow and hit return ;) [15:33] combined with -t 'screen -drU' it will also reconnect to an existing screen session. [15:33] cant do that with putty i assume [15:34] it must be linux only i take it? [15:34] I don't know - you can probably have it run a command to reconnect to a screen session at least. There might be some kind of keepalive option in PuTTY. [15:35] might look into it..i always have to open putty and connect again [15:35] i did use some windows client thatd auto reconnect that was neat [15:36] mapp: http://superuser.com/questions/187293/putty-automatic-reconnect-after-internet-interruption [15:36] dont suppose anyone had any idea re my networking question daftykins said it was my wireless card..but say i restat the router it doesnt come back online [15:37] and if im not at home i cant restart it..and cant ssh in obviously as its just hung..guess thees nothing besides get a new card [15:38] what doesn't restart/reconnect exactly, mapp, or is it that the machine gets a different IP address? [15:38] say i restarted my router now or had a powercut the xubuntu machine would just stay there unconected...it may say it has an ip on ifconfig i think i manually set it so its static [15:38] but it wouldnt regain connectivity [15:38] also, depending on how it's set up, it might require you to be logged in for wifi to connect. [15:38] it starts on boot [15:39] so you have the SSID and passphrase set in /etc/network/interfaces file or similar, a static IP address, but it doesn't work until a particular point? [15:39] yea [15:40] like it works now [15:40] and its all fine..if i turned my router off then back on..it wouldnt work again without me rebooting [15:40] surely there's a way to solve that1 [15:40] =[ === roht is now known as wadzi === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:25] mapp: that depends on how the client machine is configured, it might be worth considering having the machine itself use DHCP and have the router give it a specific IP address based on the wifi adapter's MAC address. [16:26] I'm not sure at what point the wifi is initialised at boot-time, or whether it will renegotiate if the router is reset in the case of the client having a static IP, of at-all [16:26] *if at-all [17:01] mapp: just to confirm, you have the wireless password inside /etc/network/interfaces ? so you don't use network manager at all? === roht is now known as wadzi === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:05] forgot my sodding ip [18:06] 5ec3f432.skybroadband.com whats the ip [18:06] cant use / dns on webchat [18:07] sec [18:07] got it:D useddnssstuff [18:07] ^_^ [18:07] heh [18:07] your ip is echo'ed here [18:07] 18:05:35 -!- maps|wrk [515ed518@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.94.213.24] has joined #ubuntu-uk [18:07] thats my work ip:P [18:07] ah ☻ [18:07] wanted to connect to my machine [18:08] crap [18:08] installed Zentyal and its taken over my apache [18:08] so i cant get to my shellinabox or qwebirc client..hmm [18:08] and i cant login to it..great [18:09] not what i wanted;/ [18:09] doh! [18:10] https://94.195.244.50 works but yea its going to zentayl not my apache setup..removing it should fix this? [18:10] or just reconfigure it to run on another port so they can co-exist [18:10] and it doesnt appear to use the system u/p for access and i havent set anyt up so i cant login] [18:10] i cant do that now though [18:10] i also thought i had i selected port 444 [18:10] ssl is 443 iirc? [18:11] but somehow it's working on https ,,., and my apache isnt listening on 8080? [18:11] ah well [18:11] got the tennis on at least and theres the big game later..just cant mess about with my machine ;/ [18:26] http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/microsoft-releases-source-code-for-ms-dos-and-word/ === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [18:56] MartijnVdS: nice [18:58] MartijnVdS: lol @ the last paragraph [18:59] I'm thinking that if you're running XP for those 20 intervening years then you'll be sploited up the wazoo [19:00] heh, looks like it's popular - the backend is down [19:00] Error 503 Service Unavailable [19:00] complete with a guru meditation error [19:01] what is? [19:01] daftykins: http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm/microsoft-ms-dos-early-source-code [19:02] ah ok the actual thing, silly me [19:02] yeah I wasn't clear that I'd clicked through :-p [19:02] this page works: http://www.computerhistory.org/press/ms-source-code.html [19:03] copying 170GB over USB 2 ;_; [19:15] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mArrNRWQEso [19:15] larry page on a ted video [19:17] wow he has an... odd voice [19:18] he had a condition which caused it a couple years ago [19:18] ah [19:19] he disappeared from the public eye because he was so self-conscious about it, and made a "comeback" at a google-io conference [19:20] http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-05-14/larry-page-explains-why-he-lost-his-voice [19:23] day-um [19:23] hi can anyone help me set up lvm with 4 x 4TB disks? [19:24] i was under the impression LVM will only pool the disks into one volume - it won't offer any safeguards against data loss? [19:24] not necessarily [19:25] right lvm doesn't do redundancy by itself IIRC [19:25] LVM can do striping [19:26] lvcreate -i [19:26] also -I [19:26] as in striping like RAID 0? [19:26] or with parity [19:27] striping as in raid 1 [19:27] diddledan: I think.. there's also -m for mirroring [19:27] so.. I don't really know [19:27] raid 1 is mirroring [19:27] lvm can do both I guess [20:01] so.. this is a bit of overkill for your tuesday evening: http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/03/25/titan-z/ [20:02] golly [20:03] just need a small bank loan and a 2 foot desk fan to cool it [20:04] then there's their plans for 2016: http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/03/25/gpu-roadmap-pascal/ [20:05] NVLink - 80GB/s interconnect between system and gfx instead of PCIe's 16GB/s [20:06] I wonder what AMD will do in response to that - means that mobos will only be able to support nV or AMD and not both [20:07] hrmm that doesn't sound too practical [20:07] i don't see intel accepting it [20:08] that silly social network sharing bar on the left is stopping me seeing the entire text [20:08] open the inspector and put a display:none on it's css [20:09] heh [20:09] or. get a bigger monitor [20:09] i browse with sort of just over half width ;) [20:09] well then, here's a radical idea - resize the window? [20:09] yes yes :P [20:10] more pointing out poor design [20:10] I have three monitors and it still isn't enough [20:10] yeah more display area is a slippery slope [20:12] I wonder if I can justify a 30" epeen? [20:12] erm.. monitor** [20:13] i'm not a fan of 30s, my client has one [20:13] you have to pan your head =/ [20:13] much prefer my pair of 24s [20:16] 27 is nice [20:47] is that a mistake - latest updates to 14.04 have brought-in "browser" from touch [20:48] i.e. my desktop now has the touch browser in addition to firefox [21:25] diddledan: oxide [21:25] ? [21:26] hmm, i didnt get it [21:26] popey: in the dash it's listed as "browser" and in it's title bar it says "ubuntu browser" [21:26] oh, i have that [21:27] a load of qt5 came along with it [21:28] do you have aptitude installed? [21:29] nope [21:30] it comes from the package "webbrowser-app" [21:32] ahh, webapp-container, thats why [21:32] yay [21:32] $ aptitude why webbrowser-app [21:32] i webapp-container Depends webbrowser-app (= 0.23+14.04.20140319-0ubuntu1) [21:33] which is brought-in by qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-extras-browser-plugin [21:33] (I think) [21:33] might be the other way about, though, I suck at reading depends/rdepends output [21:33] ooh [21:34] I get that it's depended-on by unity-webapps-service which depends on webapp-container [21:34] I've installed aptitude now [21:35] ☻ [21:36] yeah it all drills back down to ubuntu-desktop [21:37] ubuntu-desktop -> unity-webapps-common -> unity-webapps-service -> webapp-container -> webbrowser-app [21:39] locally-integrated menus is doing something fun and new in the realm of menus - quite interesting that they're not actually an additional thing but hidden behind the title bar [21:41] kinda hybrid between ubuntu's hidden global menu and everyone and their dogs' window-integrated screen-real-estate-using menus [21:46] why am I lagging? I just got silenced for flooding #wordpress because of lag [21:49] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26723457 [21:49] lol [22:01] hmm...dunno if anyone has noticed this, but go to xubuntu.org, and look at the screenshot on the front page, specifically look at the date on the panel :P [22:03] Facebook to acquire Oculus [22:03] oooh dear [22:05] * Azelphur is giggling at the silliness xubuntu snuck into the screenshots [22:06] Azelphur: ? :) [22:06] oh just saw above comment [22:06] hang on [22:06] :P [22:07] Sex! D: [22:07] haha [22:07] ? [22:07] and slickymaster [22:07] bigcalm: http://xubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/abiword_gnumeric.png [22:07] at first I thought it was a non-english translation, but all the screenshots are clearly using the english dialect [22:08] Nice :) [22:08] Day of the week? [22:08] subliminal messaging is what it is :P [22:08] bigcalm: indeed [22:08] * daftykins goes off with an inexplicable desire to find slickymaster [22:09] haha [22:10] I need sex now [22:10] careful, don't forget it's a PG channel [22:10] I mean, it's totally the right day of the week! [22:11] haha [22:11] I wasn't going to involve the channel ;-) [22:11] * diddledan posts the statement to all his social networks [22:15] hmm, should I buy the humble ebook bungle? [22:17] sounds like it's doomed to fail if it's a bungle [22:20] xfce :) [22:21] that screenshot wasn't intentional [22:21] slickymaster isn't english [22:21]