[02:26] <Private_User> cheers everybody chat later
[05:08] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn and all others
[05:11] <Kilos> wbb
[05:39] <Kilos> hi jabberwocky93  
[05:41] <jabberwocky93> morning Kilos
[05:41] <jabberwocky93> o/ everyone
[05:49] <Kilos> hi Spekko  
[05:50] <Spekko> morning Kilos
[06:15] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:16] <Kilos> hi inetpro  
[06:24] <Kilos> hi bduk1  
[06:30] <bduk1> morning everyone
[07:32] <Vince-0> !
[07:33] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  
[07:46] <Vince-0> Hai Kilos 
[08:01] <Kilos> hi tinuva  
[08:15] <Kilos> hi Golynx  
[08:15] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[11:52] <magespawn> hello
[11:52] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[12:03] <jabberwocky93> looks like I'm going to miss another meeting. I've got an examination tonight, starting at 19:00
[12:06] <Kilos> well save logs for you jabberwocky93  
[12:06] <Kilos> hehe
[12:07] <jabberwocky93> thanks guys :-)
[12:37] <Private_User> good day all
[12:38] <Golynx> hi Private_User
[12:38] <Private_User> hey Golynx
[12:44] <Kilos> hi liamT  
[12:48] <Private_User> hmm... I wonder if liamT is studying Biology or Information Technology or is actually a lecturer or maybe even the Dean?
[12:49] <Kilos> why you wonder that kinda stuff
[12:49] <Kilos> wits?
[12:52] <Golynx> hey liamT
[12:53] <Private_User> lol, yeah Kilos his domain name pc51.bioinf.wits.ac.za
[12:54] <Private_User> I am wondering what the bioinf means
[12:54] <magespawn> maybe that is just the name of tha lab that he is in
[12:54] <Private_User> hmm... yeah could be hey magespawn could be...
[12:55] <Kilos> weve had lecturers here on and off
[12:55] <Kilos> but they dont stay long
[12:55] <Private_User> but wondering why liamT aint answering though
[12:55] <Kilos> he does normally
[12:56] <Kilos> he must be busy
[12:56] <Private_User> maybe since it could be a lab pc somebody else logged in without realizing that it was his profile
[12:56] <Golynx> some people just log on and dont bother checking the channel after a few hours later
[12:57] <liamT> si, normally busy
[12:57] <liamT> greetings everyone
[12:57] <liamT> not biology and IT ?
[12:58] <Golynx> o/ magespawn
[12:58] <liamT> Private_User: bioinformatics
[12:58] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:58] <Kilos> thats a big word
[12:58] <liamT> it is a mouthful
[12:59] <Private_User> aha was thinking of maybe it could be short for something
[12:59] <Private_User> hey liamT
[13:00] <liamT> hey
[13:00] <Private_User> so what is bioinformatics all about?
[13:01] <Kilos> its teaching bio peeps how to format stuff
[13:01] <Kilos> hehe
[13:01] <Private_User> LOL
[13:01] <liamT> ha, exactly, though generally i'm the one formatting it
[13:02] <liamT> it's to do with all the interactions of proteins, dna, rna and all the other things, how they relate to each
[13:02] <liamT> other, you can imagine how complicated or interconnected things get
[13:02] <Golynx> liamT: so did humans really evolved from bacteria 3 billion years ago ?
[13:03] <liamT> no
[13:03] <liamT> and neither did we evolve from monkeys
[13:03] <Kilos> lol
[13:04] <Golynx> liamT: no , is a very uneducated answer :-/
[13:04] <liamT> there was a common ancestor, from which we both came
[13:04] <Kilos> if we had evolved from monkeys or anything else there would be no monkeys left
[13:04] <Golynx> how else did you expect us to have gotten here
[13:04] <liamT> a common ancestor
[13:04] <Kilos> God made us as you see us
[13:05] <Golynx> i know of the cavemen , \
[13:05] <Kilos> Adam
[13:05] <Golynx> i mean the core , the very beginning of DNA
[13:05] <liamT> if you believe that god made us fine, i prefer to think that God started the process of evolution
[13:06] <liamT> even though I don't believe in God
[13:06] <liamT> but let's not get into too heavy a discussion
[13:06] <Kilos> ya
[13:06] <Golynx> i believe we are one invisible spirit named God , animating the physical universe
[13:07] <Kilos> no religion or politics allowed here
[13:07] <liamT> but i'd be happy to answer questions in biology
[13:08] <Kilos> lol
[13:08] <Kilos> tell me
[13:08] <Golynx> lol, i thought so
[13:08] <Kilos> with the genetically modifying of vegetables is it part of the plan to make the seeds infertile
[13:09] <Golynx> liamT: so your still new in the field
[13:09] <Kilos> or is nature stopping it like with donkey horse crosses
[13:10] <liamT> Golynx: i've been in the field for 12 years
[13:11] <Golynx> liamT: okay
[13:11] <liamT> Kilos: possibly, i wouldn't trust Monsanto. sometimes the cross breed is not reproductively viable, sometimes a modification will affect seed viability, sometimes its intentional
[13:11] <Kilos> ah so they can control it?
[13:12] <Private_User> I was just reading about bioinformatics on the net
[13:12] <Kilos> hard to find seeds today that can reproduce again
[13:12] <Private_User> you know when I was in school I never knew about any of these fields
[13:12] <liamT> Kilos: i'm not a plant person, but i suspect they can control it
[13:13] <Golynx> G.M food can cause long term health issues , in same cases as exposure  to nuclear radiation
[13:13] <Private_User> maybe I was stupid then or just not informed
[13:13] <liamT> Kilos: buy heirloom seeds
[13:14] <liamT> Golynx: There is not evidence for that. We've been eating GM foods for centuries.
[13:14] <Kilos> oh liamT  are they still good to use
[13:14] <Private_User> you mean decades liamT? or has it really been centuries?
[13:14] <Golynx> liamT: studies is still going on for the long term effects of it
[13:15] <liamT> Private_User: i would say centuries. The difference between now and centuries back is that back then it was selective breeding (a long arduous process), whereas today this can be finely controlled.
[13:15] <Kilos> Maaz  google where to buy heirloom seeds
[13:15] <Maaz> Kilos: "Heirloom Seeds | Baker Creek Heirloom Seed Co" http://www.rareseeds.com/ :: "Seed Savers Exchange - Organic, Heirloom Garden Seed Info & Store" http://www.seedsavers.org/ :: "10 Best Heirloom Seed Companies as Selected By Readers ..." http://www.treehugger.com/lawn-garden/10-best-seed-companies-selected-by-readers.html :: "HEIRLOOM SEEDS - over 1450
[13:15] <Maaz> varieties of heirloom (non-hybrid ..." https://www.heirloomseeds.com/ :: "Heirloom Seeds and Pla…
[13:16] <Kilos> ty liamT  
[13:16] <Private_User> but you know studies can be manipulated to give you what ever results the people who benefit financially from what ever results they give you
[13:16] <liamT> the difference between selective breeding and genetic engineering  is really a semantic argument, they are both genetically modified, one is just faster
[13:17] <liamT> Private_User: absolutely
[13:17] <Private_User> ah ok liamT that actually makes sense hey almost like GM food is just a quicker process of what would have been done manually before science
[13:18] <liamT> the difference between the US and EU perspective is that is the US, someone else has to prove that it is damaging (safe unless proven otherwise), whereas in the EU, you must first prove that it is safe (not safe, unless proven otherwise)
[13:18] <Golynx> today more and more chemicals are used in processing such manufacturing , adds to the health problems the future human populations will face
[13:20] <liamT> Golynx: sure, so eat unprocessed foods, and wash what you eat
[13:21] <Golynx> liamT: yeah , seems like that is all we can do.
[13:21] <Private_User> but in the US people will find any reason to find something dangerous so they can just sue the manufactures producers for money, like the McDonalds case and also tobacco companies. When I heard about the Mcdonalds case it was funny to me cause we all know that if you eat too much junk food especially too much carbs and are not active you will get fat but then I realize its the US and people will do anything to make a quick bu
[13:22] <Private_User> man I am really slow at typing hence the reason for my poor grammar did not even re-read that one
[13:23] <liamT> ja, but I think it is better to err on the side of caution, especially when dealing with global food systems, or climate. Why wait until everyone is half dead, or the climate dramatically altered before saying, "hey, guess we should have stopped that"
[13:24] <Private_User> Golynx: also grow you own "organic" garden. Nothing beats freshly cut vegetables straight from the garden into the pot
[13:25] <liamT> Private_User: they taste better because they ripen in the garden, as opposed to store bought which are picked when unripe, and then put into ripening rooms with special gases and temperatures
[13:26] <Private_User> yep we have a garden here and most of our vegetables are from there
[13:27] <Private_User> but I do admit they have to be prepared well most people hate veggies cause they grew up eating veggies that were not prepared well
[13:27] <Golynx> when you have  to feed 7 billion mouths , i guess there is no other way but G.M 
[13:28] <Golynx> Private_User: what about the compost , have to make sure there is no dangerous chemicals in there
[13:29] <Private_User> hmm... I never thought of that hey
[13:30] <liamT> I'd be worried more about the bacteria in the compost that chemicals
[13:31] <Kilos> make your own compost and get red wrigglers
[13:31] <liamT> "than chemicals"
[13:31] <Kilos> no need for fertilizers with them worms
[13:31] <Golynx> i read somewhere we have more bacteria in our mouths than on a toilet seat lol
[13:32] <Kilos> lol
[13:33] <Golynx> Kilos: yeah worms and other kinds of friendly bugs likes eating the dangerous pests
[13:34] <liamT> Golynx: we have more bacteria on us that we have human cells
[13:35] <Golynx> liamT: sure , thats a no brainer ofcourse
[13:36] <Golynx> a few trillion cells will never compare to quadrillions of bacteria :D
[13:41] <Kilos> Golynx  you must read up on them red wrigglers. one can sell the produce from them too
[13:41] <Kilos> i have 2 dustbins with them in and use on my strawberries and chillies and peppadews and so on
[13:42] <Kilos> http://home.howstuffworks.com/vermicomposting1.htm
[13:42] <Golynx> but i'm happy to see DNA changing/evolving to grow the brain and make other body parts less useful. Humans will for sure look like the Grey Alien type someday in a few 100k or million years :)
[13:43] <Kilos> lol
[13:43] <Kilos> i dont want to live that long to find out
[13:43] <Private_User> lol hopefully Golynx is talking about his upstairs brain
[13:43] <Kilos> haha
[13:44] <Golynx> Private_User: lol 
[13:45] <Golynx> we humans tend to keep on using the brain mostly , so the DNA will slowly evolve to give full evolution advantage to that part of the body
[13:45] <Private_User> yeah I agree Kilos I do not wanna live that long or even till 100 nope I have seen how my grand dad was in the last few years of his life and I do not want that for me
[13:46] <Golynx> sadly there will be no "lower brain" by then and we will have to clone babies in test tubes
[13:46] <Private_User> :(
[13:46] <Private_User> that would be boring Golynx
[13:46] <Private_User> hehe
[13:47] <Private_User> I would like to go back to cave man days, if you saw something you want you take it ;)
[13:47] <Golynx> Private_User: thats great news for woman  lol 
[13:47] <Private_User> LOL
[13:48] <Golynx> no more child birth :D
[13:49] <Golynx> lol , just klap over the head and drag to the cave 
[13:49] <Private_User> HAHAHAHAHA, yeah
[13:52] <liamT> signing off, have a good avie
[13:53] <Private_User> cool cya liamT, I guess you will not be at meeting
[13:53] <liamT> which meeting ?
[13:53] <Private_User> hopefully I remember when its time, I missed the last 2
[13:54] <Private_User> ubuntu-za meeting tonight
[13:54] <Private_User> here on IRC
[13:54] <liamT> time ?
[13:54] <Private_User> Kilos: give liamTinfo on the meeting
[13:54] <nlsthzn> uncle Kilos ... just installed hexchat and the sound works out of the box... 
[13:55] <Kilos> oh sorry
[13:55] <Private_User> at 20:30 I think liamT, Kilos can confirm
[13:55] <Kilos> tonight here at 20,30\
[13:55] <liamT> will try my best
[13:55] <Kilos> im busy doing plumbing in between
[13:56] <liamT> ciao
[13:56] <Private_User> cheers liamT
[13:56] <Private_User> hopefully you don't get any water on your PC there Kilos... hehe
[14:04] <Kilos> lol no man its in my sisters bathroom
[14:08] <Private_User> ah ok so its away from your PC
[14:14] <Kilos> yeah far away
[14:23] <magespawn> see you at the meeting, later all
[15:08] <Private_User> that was my alter ego buwahahaha
[15:09] <Kilos> twit
[15:10] <Kilos> nuvolari  ping
[16:00] <Kilos> hi psydroid  
[16:03] <Golynx> hey psydroid
[16:04] <psydroid> hi Kilos 
[16:04] <psydroid> hi Golynx 
[16:04] <psydroid> I've been a bit busy lately
[16:04] <psydroid> but now it's ok
[16:05] <psydroid> I got tests yesterday and today and did well on them, so tomorrow I can start working
[16:05] <psydroid> on first-level support, but that's just for 2-3 weeks maximum
[16:34] <kbmonkey> hi hi
[16:34] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey  
[16:35] <Kilos> did you brin nuvolari  with you
[16:35] <Kilos> bring
[16:35] <kbmonkey> no I have not seen him hey Kilos 
[16:35] <kbmonkey> just popping in to say Ill be here tonight
[16:35] <Kilos> ai!
[16:35] <kbmonkey> Im going for some food now
[16:36] <kbmonkey> got the agenda open here...
[16:37] <kbmonkey> it was hot and windy today Kilos 
[16:38] <Kilos> i just mailed the list. i totally forgot this month
[16:39] <Kilos> getting colder here. expecting 13°c here tonight
[16:40] <Kilos> hi Wraz  captine  
[16:40] <captine> hi there Kilos 
[16:40] <Wraz> :)
[16:41] <Golynx> colder here Kilos, raining too
[16:41] <Golynx> hey captine
[16:41] <Golynx> hi Wraz
[16:43] <captine> hey Golynx 
[16:56] <Kilos> hi amanica  
[16:56] <Kilos> long time no see
[16:58] <Golynx> hey amanica1
[16:58] <Kilos> whew bad connection ther
[17:06] <amanica> hi Kilos, Golynx;  had to convince Quassel a little to start working again. it must be rusty from disuse
[17:11] <charl> good evening
[17:11] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[17:11]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:15] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[17:24] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[17:24] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[17:29] <Golynx> amanica: np
[17:29] <Golynx> hi charl
[17:32] <charl> hi Golynx 
[17:33] <Kilos> haha
[17:33] <Kilos> hi charl  
[17:34] <Kilos> hi superfly  
[17:37] <charl> hi Kilos 
[17:40] <Kilos> evening liamT  
[17:41] <Kilos> i looked at http://www.organicseed.co.za/
[17:41] <Kilos> ty for the push in the right direction
[17:41] <Golynx> wb liamT
[17:44] <liamT> evening all
[17:46] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:01] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn  hows neelsie?
[18:02] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday  
[18:02] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[18:02] <Kilos> hows our girl?
[18:03] <maiatoday> I'll try to make it for 20:30 might be distracted, dinner guests
[18:03] <maiatoday> I am well and you?
[18:03] <Kilos> im well ty maiatoday  
[18:03] <Kilos> hi smile  
[18:04] <Golynx> hi maiatoday
[18:04] <Golynx> hey smile
[18:04] <smile> hi! :)
[18:06] <smile> hi, Golynx :)
[18:10] <charl> hi smile 
[18:11] <charl> hi maiatoday 
[18:14] <smile> hi all :)
[18:14] <Kilos> inetpro  coowweee
[18:24] <Kilos> whew liamT  you got a genetically modified internet connection there
[18:24]  * inetpro joins #ubuntu-za for some meeting event
[18:24] <Kilos> wrong dna mod though
[18:24] <Kilos> hehe hi inetpro  
[18:24] <liamT> i do, my router or isp is incompatible
[18:25] <inetpro> good evening
[18:25] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[18:25] <Kilos> ha as a secong thought
[18:25] <Kilos> second
[18:27] <kbmonkey> hello hello.
[18:27] <Kilos> my monkey you well?
[18:27] <Golynx> hi chairman
[18:27] <Golynx> and vice chairman
[18:28] <Kilos> nuvolari  ping
[18:29] <kbmonkey> fine fine Kilos - eating an avo.
[18:29] <kbmonkey> is nuvolari around?
[18:29] <Kilos> nope
[18:29] <kbmonkey> bananas
[18:29] <Golynx> vice chairman is here :)
[18:30] <Golynx> vice chairman aka kbmonkey sorry
[18:30] <Kilos> where
[18:30] <Kilos> him and nuvolari   swop places
[18:30] <kbmonkey> ya ya :)
[18:31] <Golynx> oh
[18:31] <Kilos> he is young kbmonkey  forgive him
[18:31] <Kilos> hehe
[18:31] <inetpro> Kilos: did he say he would not make it?
[18:31] <Golynx> you cant forgive overtime :-/
[18:31] <Kilos> still got some windows genes floating aroung there
[18:31] <Kilos> i havent heard from him at all inetpro  
[18:32] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  
[18:32] <Kilos> we better get going
[18:32] <Golynx> Vince-0/
[18:32] <kbmonkey> yes Kilos I think we should get going. andiamo!
[18:33] <Kilos> have you got permissions yet
[18:33] <Vince-0> hi
[18:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, start meeting about Monthly Ubuntu-ZA IRC meet
[18:33]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:33] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:33] <Maaz> superfly: Sure
[18:33] <Kilos> hi superfly  
[18:33]  * superfly bows out of the meeting now, he has housework to do
[18:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, I am Wesley Werner
[18:34] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Sure
[18:34] <Kilos> Maaz  I am Miles Sharpe
[18:34] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[18:34] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:34] <Kilos> ty for popping in superfly  
[18:34] <Maaz> inetpro: Done
[18:34] <captine> Maaz I am Bradley Putzier
[18:34] <Maaz> captine: Alrighty
[18:34] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Welcoming and Introduction
[18:34] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[18:35] <kbmonkey> Hello everyone and welcome to the Ubuntu ZA IRC meet!
[18:35] <Golynx> Maaz I am Jarryd Lynx
[18:35] <Maaz> Golynx: Yessir
[18:35] <Kilos> wb georgl  
[18:35] <kbmonkey> you may tell our minute taker Maaz who you are
[18:35] <Vince-0> Maaz I am Vincent Swart
[18:35] <Maaz> Vince-0: Okay
[18:35] <Vince-0> kbmonkey: Sup
[18:35] <kbmonkey> hey hey Vince-0 !
[18:35] <liamT> Maaz: Liam Thompson
[18:35] <Maaz> liamT: What?
[18:35] <amanica> Maaz, I am Marius Kruger
[18:35] <Maaz> amanica: Alrighty
[18:36] <kbmonkey> The agenda for today's meet can be seen at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/743/detail/
[18:36] <inetpro> liamT: Maaz: I am ...
[18:37] <liamT> Maaz I am Liam Thompson
[18:37] <Maaz> liamT: Done
[18:37] <kbmonkey> That's it :)
[18:37] <georgl> hi hi
[18:38] <kbmonkey> Anyone else is free to tell Maaz their name throughout the meet too
[18:38] <kbmonkey> hello georgl 
[18:38] <georgl> hi
[18:39] <kbmonkey> so let's get going!
[18:39] <charl> Maaz: i am Charl van Niekerk
[18:39] <Maaz> charl: Okay
[18:39] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Review previous minutes
[18:39] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review previous minutes
[18:39] <kbmonkey> oh by the way nice to see everyone again!
[18:39] <Kilos> hi Private_User  sign in with maaz please
[18:41] <Kilos> yeah kbmonkey  we just kinda min
[18:41] <kbmonkey> So the minutes from the last meet can be seen at http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-02-25-18-32-23.txt
[18:41] <captine> am checking them now
[18:41] <kbmonkey> We agreed that mandatory nick registrations would not be needed.
[18:42] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:42] <maiatoday> Maaz: I am Maia Grotepass
[18:42] <Maaz> maiatoday: Yessir
[18:42] <Kilos> ai! maaz maiatoday  be a lady
[18:42] <Kilos> stupid bot
[18:43] <kbmonkey> Also, the 15th was hardware freedom day. Did anybody do anything special that day?
[18:44] <Kilos> i think thats when i got a telkom modem
[18:44] <captine> didnt know it was that day... Owning a mac probably excludes me from celebrating... ;)
[18:44] <kbmonkey> heh captine :P
[18:44] <Kilos> hehe
[18:45] <captine> Speaking of hardware freedom, are there any vendors selling linux hardware like system76 in the US?
[18:45] <captine> Anyone know?
[18:45] <captine> might be off topic.  sorry
[18:45] <kbmonkey> captine, there was a thread about this on the mailing list, I recall some sites were mentioned...
[18:45] <Kilos> linux hardware?
[18:45] <liamT> no idea sorry
[18:46] <amanica> also didn't know about hw freedom day, it is AFAIK arduino day this saturday
[18:46] <captine> Kilos, yip.  i.e. hardware put together to ensure compatibility with linux from bios to wifi to graphics
[18:46] <Kilos> wow that sounds cool
[18:46] <kbmonkey> Kilos, buying a pc or laptop with Linux out of the box
[18:47] <Golynx> hardware freedom day ? nope never heard of it
[18:47] <captine> I contacted www.system76.com to find out about resellers in SA etc, but they dont have plans to expand to our little country just yet
[18:48] <Kilos> in za we force whatever hardware we have to accept linux
[18:48] <Golynx> i'm sure the guys at ##hardware threw a big party lol
[18:48] <captine> Kilos, lol.  agree
[18:48] <Golynx> yeah Kilos
[18:49] <liamT> it at least teaches you
[18:49] <Kilos> yeah but can be tiring at times
[18:49] <kbmonkey> ah, here we go. captine you can try this thread: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/2013-January/010130.html
[18:49] <captine> for sure
[18:49] <Kilos> hi BothWays-Saucy  
[18:50] <Kilos> bot time again
[18:50] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[18:50] <Kilos> ai!
[18:50] <kbmonkey> Kilos, do you know what admin or announcements nuvolari had in mind?
[18:50] <BothWays-Saucy> hi .. just got the message ,... thru google .. Aloha from the IOM .. good luck guys !
[18:50] <kbmonkey> if not I will skip to Events topic
[18:50] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za BothWays-Saucy  
[18:51] <kbmonkey> yes welcome BothWays-Saucy 
[18:51] <Golynx>  hiBothWays-Saucy
[18:51] <captine> kbmonkey, thanks.  zareason and system76 are not shipping to SA..
[18:51] <captine> unfortunately
[18:51] <BothWays-Saucy> ok .. I will sit back for a while .. good luck for 14.04 
[18:51] <Kilos> ty BothWays-Saucy  
[18:51] <captine> kbmonkey, not sure the market is big enough here, esp with government not encouraging opensource software (from what I understand)
[18:52] <Kilos> BothWays-Saucy  where is IOM
[18:53] <Kilos> nope kbmonkey  sorry thats a mont ago you know
[18:53] <Kilos> month
[18:53] <kbmonkey> ah sorry about that captine. I was hoping that thread would lead to at least one site.
[18:53] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Events
[18:53] <Golynx> Aloha is Hawaian
[18:53] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[18:54] <BothWays-Saucy> google : #manx
[18:54] <kbmonkey> So upcoming, http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/ on the 20th September
[18:55] <amanica> eish so soon again, totally burned out on the last one..
[18:55] <kbmonkey> I'm going ahead and adding a reminder for this so long
[18:55] <Kilos> september is far still man
[18:56] <kbmonkey> Maaz, idea SFD 20 Sep http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/
[18:56] <Maaz> Idea recorded: SFD 20 Sep http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/
[18:56] <kbmonkey> ey Kilos us old folks don't have such good memories anymore ;)
[18:56] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:57] <inetpro> kbmonkey: Trusty Tahr (Ubuntu 14.04 LTS), scheduled for release on 17 April 2014
[18:57] <kbmonkey> I wont ask to set up meeting plans this early, but check out the site!
[18:57] <Kilos> did you read the minutes
[18:57] <Kilos> he musta logged something
[18:57] <amanica> any plans for release parties this time round? :)
[18:58] <BothWays-Saucy> +1
[18:58] <kbmonkey> this is before the next irc meet!
[18:58] <Kilos> ask maiatoday  she is good at planning things
[18:58] <kbmonkey> I think Durban can have a celebratory party at our usual Gloria Jeans coffee shoppe
[18:59] <captine> SFD... looks good.
[18:59] <maiatoday> I don't know of any
[18:59] <maiatoday> I am away until 14 april
[18:59] <kbmonkey> I will try take lead on this with william and Vince-0 
[18:59] <captine> anyone here from Jhb area?
[18:59] <maiatoday> I did put the order in for the DVDs
[18:59] <Kilos> wow maiatoday  busy bee hey
[18:59] <kbmonkey> ah great thank you so much maiatoday :)
[18:59] <maiatoday> So hopefully we won't have any customs problems
[18:59] <captine> maiatoday, where do you order? from ubuntu direct?
[19:00] <maiatoday> Only the team contact of approved locos can request the dvds
[19:00] <maiatoday> so I got an email and then put the request in on the website
[19:00] <liamT> captine: i'm in jhb
[19:00] <Golynx> DVD's ? where how is this possible ?
[19:01] <kbmonkey> yes, and then maia distributes them from there to us
[19:01] <maiatoday> once the box gets here I'll make up some parcels
[19:01] <maiatoday> before then I'll send out a mail and find out who is willing to distribute in the area
[19:01] <amanica> captine: I'm from Roodepoort; had a dismal release part for 13.04 I think we should do one in PTA again..
[19:02] <maiatoday> I'll do this on the mailing list again unless people want to do the comms elsewhere
[19:02] <amanica> (was in randburg)
[19:02] <kbmonkey> maiatoday, yes please email. I be willing to sponsor some cash if need be.
[19:02] <captine> liamT, amanica I am in Boskruin (randburg)
[19:02] <maiatoday> ok cool lets talk about it once the box gets here
[19:02] <Golynx> maiatoday: okay so that how it works now , thanks
[19:02] <kbmonkey> right
[19:03] <kbmonkey> Maaz, idea Waiting for Ubuntu 14.04 DVD's before discussing distribution
[19:03] <Maaz> Idea recorded: Waiting for Ubuntu 14.04 DVD's before discussing distribution
[19:03] <captine> maiatoday, awesome.  
[19:03] <captine> would love a dvd.
[19:04] <inetpro> maiatoday: how many did you order?
[19:04] <maiatoday> we usually have about 20 people on the list. I just divvy up the dvds.
[19:04] <maiatoday> you can't choose, the numbers are fixed
[19:04] <Kilos> wb magespawn  
[19:04] <inetpro> ok
[19:04] <maiatoday> something like 25 server 125 desktop 
[19:04] <maiatoday> can't remember exactly
[19:04] <kbmonkey> I'm generally happy to part with the DVD once I made an ISO copy of it
[19:04] <captine> sounds good
[19:04] <kbmonkey> I'd rather let someone else grab it to get excited ;)
[19:05] <captine> amanica, I struggle to get out with a little dude having recently been born, but would be keen for a release party.  never been to one.
[19:05] <magespawn> Are we meeting?
[19:05] <maiatoday> do the idea is that if people need a dvd they can contact someone closer to them to get one
[19:05] <kbmonkey> it makes for great excitement, to hold a physical printed disc
[19:05] <captine> kbmonkey, for sure
[19:05] <Kilos> yes magespawn  login
[19:06] <amanica> captine: yeah we should do one. will pretoria be ok for you?
[19:06] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic
[19:06] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Huh?
[19:06] <Kilos> i think well need to get contact peeps in each area again maiatoday  the last lot have faded
[19:07] <maiatoday> Yeah I always refresh the list before I send, otherwise it is just a waste of postage
[19:07] <captine> amanica, will try make a plan.  just dread the e-tolls... avoided them thus far
[19:07] <amanica> captine: yeah, me too :(
[19:08] <Kilos> whats happening kbmonkey  ?
[19:08] <captine> liamT, would you be good with PTA?
[19:08] <kbmonkey> hello magespawn. We are on Events, just discussed SFD and upcoming 14.04 DVD's
[19:08] <kbmonkey> Kilos, I thought Maaz would echo the current topic, oh well
[19:08] <Kilos> h
[19:08] <Kilos> ah too
[19:09] <kbmonkey> kekeke
[19:09] <liamT> captine: sorry when ?
[19:09] <Kilos> i want to enquire about something but dunno when
[19:09] <kbmonkey> liamT, captine, if you are on the ubuntu-za mailing list, its good to plan event details there.
[19:10] <kbmonkey> as more peeps are on the list than here in irc
[19:10] <captine> kbmonkey, thnx. will do
[19:10] <kbmonkey> oh dear, we spammed mage :p
[19:10] <captine> liamT, no idea on timing.  will take kbmonkey advice and turn to the mailing list :)
[19:11] <Kilos> you can chat here captine  after the meet
[19:11] <Kilos> 20 mins more only
[19:11] <kbmonkey> by all means decide here if you like! just mail the list, you may find others keen too :)
[19:11] <Kilos> then what you decide you put on the list and invite others
[19:11] <captine> ah
[19:12] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed 14.04 release parties planning via mailing list
[19:12] <Maaz> Agreed: 14.04 release parties planning via mailing list
[19:12] <captine> back onto the dvd's.  who would the contact be in Jhb area?  Or is that still to be finalized?
[19:13] <Golynx> Kilos: its probably safe to enquire now
[19:13] <kbmonkey> captine, maiatoday will email the list when we have the DVD's, and we will build a list from there for whoever wants
[19:13] <kbmonkey> go ahead Kilos 
[19:13] <kbmonkey> unless you want to wait for next topic, misc
[19:13] <captine> kbmonkey, thanks for clarification.  am with the program now... :)
[19:14] <kbmonkey> cool captine :]
[19:14] <Kilos> i was hoping someone would come up with a good idea on what we can do about the fly's goodie couplaq meets back
[19:14] <Kilos> i forget the word now
[19:14] <maiatoday> ok I tell you what, I'll start the poll for the dvd contacts before I go. It always takes some time to collect all the addresses.
[19:15] <Kilos> remember that thing about the internet in za inetpro  
[19:15]  * kbmonkey prizes maia with a banana
[19:16] <Kilos> haha
[19:16] <Kilos> survey
[19:16] <kbmonkey> Right, we got the SFD and the release parties down
[19:16] <Kilos> kbmonkey  were you here for the survey?
[19:16] <inetpro> Kilos: I'll pass on that for now... nothing I can think of to do
[19:16] <kbmonkey> That is all the events I can figure at this time...
[19:17] <captine> i was lost with fly's goodie couplaq....
[19:17] <kbmonkey> vote to move topic?
[19:17] <inetpro> kbmonkey: +1
[19:17] <captine> kbmonkey, +1
[19:17] <kbmonkey> seconded, motion carried. lol
[19:17] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Miscellaneous
[19:17] <Maaz> Current Topic: Miscellaneous
[19:18] <kbmonkey> by the way anybody can shout at me if I go too fast.
[19:19] <kbmonkey> Kilos, I am a bit confused about what you were asking just now...
[19:19] <captine> for Miscellaneous, I would like to ask if anyone has a listing or reference etc for companies in SA using open source software for running their businesses.  e.g. my IT department only has eyes for MS products and believe it is the only supportable software stack etc.
[19:19] <Kilos> the fly did a survey here about our local internet and if we were happy with it
[19:19] <captine> would be nice to have a reference page etc somewhere
[19:20] <maiatoday> ok I just sent a mail to the list so I'll start collecting the addresses. Hopefully we won't have post office strikes
[19:20] <maiatoday> thanks for the banana kbmonkey
[19:20] <Kilos> there were some complaints and if you watch the net then something should be done about it
[19:20] <Kilos> thats what i wanna know from the clever peeps
[19:20] <Kilos> what can we do
[19:21] <kbmonkey> oh really? that sounds interesting Kilos, I'd like to do that survey
[19:22] <Golynx> Kilos i remember that , yeah i wasn't sure why the fly did it 
[19:22] <Kilos> i just want an idea what each of us can do to rev the powers that be to improve the net
[19:22] <kbmonkey> captine, I don't know of any such companies. Vince-0 might actually point out some that use OSS
[19:22] <liamT> captine: i don't know of any list. 
[19:22] <inetpro> kbmonkey: topic was "The current state of Internet in South Africa" in our meeting in January http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/716/detail/
[19:22] <Vince-0> clug wiki has a list,
[19:22] <Vince-0> lsd, obsidian, synaq
[19:23] <Vince-0> most companies use free software without knowing it
[19:24] <Golynx> MTN and Vodacom sueing ICASA is not good news for local internet in the near future i think
[19:25] <kbmonkey> ah thanks inetpro !
[19:25] <captine>  thnx Vince-0 .  will check clug out
[19:25] <captine> Golynx, agree.  
[19:26] <amanica> captine: and I think there are a lot of companies that mix and match as needed..
[19:26] <amanica> captine: it depends a lot on the experience of the sysadmins, if they are used to something they tend to stick with it..
[19:27] <captine> lots is not good.  local loop unbundling not happening is apparently bad from what  I have read.  Also, the poor upload to download ratio on ADSL is, in my view, a killer for small businesses.  Slow at reaching your customers is a bad thing
[19:27] <captine> amanica, thanks.  our company has no sys admins.  all  being outsourced so going with windows providers... only small group of support staff in hous
[19:27] <captine> house
[19:28] <kbmonkey> captine, years ago FNB switched to Linux clients, not sure if that is still the case
[19:28] <kbmonkey> see http://tectonic.co.za/?p=1562 
[19:29] <kbmonkey> Right, before we get too off course...
[19:29] <captine> on the internet topic, I am not sure how we get away from the wireless craziness.  the lack of cable investment and available fibre to the home coupled with the quick rollout for 3g and push to LTE makes cable less likely to be a dominant connectivity means... cable is certainly my prefered connectivity
[19:30] <captine> thanks kb monkey.  i did see ubuntu on fnb machines in East London when visiting the bank there last year
[19:30] <kbmonkey> captine, that is interesting because the past 2 years I avoid cables simply to not deal with telkom :P
[19:30] <captine> kbmonkey, I hear you
[19:31] <kbmonkey> and with the last 3 weeks of dsl line downage in kzn I am glad I don't
[19:31] <captine> but to use 200gb a month on wireless is not viable for me
[19:31] <Golynx> Many businesses still use winXp 
[19:31] <Golynx> captine , agree
[19:31] <kbmonkey> we're coming up to the end of our meet
[19:32] <captine> speaking of win xp, anyone read about the banks in UK etc paying microsoft a killing to support XP for longer, as their ATM's all run it...
[19:32] <captine> lol
[19:32] <amanica> outch
[19:32] <kbmonkey> let us elect next chair and close it off, then we can continue the rants :D
[19:32] <captine> kbmonkey, must admit, my ADSL experiences have been very good
[19:33] <inetpro> kbmonkey: +1
[19:33] <captine> just wish I didnt need to pay the phone line rental
[19:33] <Golynx> Kilos lol 
[19:33] <captine> kbmonkey, +1
[19:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Elect chair for next meeting
[19:33] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chair for next meeting
[19:33] <Kilos> kbmonkey  the job is yours
[19:33] <kbmonkey> the next meeting is... um .. (checks calcurse)
[19:33] <captine> kilos, you beat me to it
[19:33] <inetpro> +1
[19:33] <Golynx> kbmonkey: +1
[19:33] <Kilos> hehe
[19:33] <Kilos> and
[19:34] <Kilos> you must fight with nuvo for not being here or asking for timeout
[19:34] <kbmonkey> the last tuesday right? or the 4th tuesday?
[19:34] <inetpro> kbmonkey: 4th Tuesday
[19:34] <kbmonkey> because april has 5 tuesdays
[19:34] <kbmonkey> ah thanks inet!
[19:35] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed kbmonkey to chair the meeting on 22 April 2014
[19:35] <Maaz> Agreed: kbmonkey to chair the meeting on 22 April 2014
[19:35] <kbmonkey> hah Kilos !
[19:35] <kbmonkey> he probably got stuck at work. You know how us developers get abused ;)
[19:35] <Kilos> hehe jou beurt is jou beurt
[19:36] <Kilos> he knows how to let us know
[19:36] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Closing words
[19:36] <Maaz> Current Topic: Closing words
[19:36] <maiatoday> thanks kbmonkey
[19:36] <kbmonkey> Thanks all for joining! It was great to have your input
[19:36] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey  well run meet
[19:36] <Kilos> not enough coffee
[19:36] <kbmonkey> Feel free to stay and rant on, maaz will now don their barissta hat and serve fresh coffee
[19:37] <captine> thanks kbmonkey 
[19:37] <kbmonkey> Maaz, end meeting
[19:37] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:37] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-03-25-18-33-36.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-03-25-18-33-36.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-03-25-18-33-36.html
[19:37] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee on
[19:37]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[19:37] <Kilos> nice seeing you here maiatoday  ty
[19:37] <charl> Maaz: coffee please
[19:37] <Maaz> charl: Yessir
[19:37] <maiatoday> ty Kilos
[19:37] <inetpro> thanks kbmonkey
[19:37] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[19:37] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[19:38] <Kilos> charl is your nick registered?
[19:38] <charl> Kilos: no
[19:38] <Kilos> ah
[19:38] <kbmonkey> welcome inetpro Kilos charl maiatoday captine Private_User magespawn Golynx !
[19:38] <Kilos> thats why you were against it so vehemently
[19:39]  * kbmonkey makes next agenda page before coffee arrives
[19:40] <kbmonkey> houston, we have a problem
[19:40] <inetpro> kbmonkey: sup?
[19:40] <charl> Kilos: nickname registration is against the original design of irc and against the decentralised model of irc
[19:40] <kbmonkey> I can't create meeting pages anymore, "You are not a member of any LoCo Teams."
[19:41] <charl> Kilos: freenode is also the only network i use regularly which allows nickname registration
[19:41] <inetpro> eish!
[19:41] <Kilos> oh my kbmonkey  
[19:41] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey, charl and Kilos!
[19:41] <maiatoday> are you still a member of the team on launchpad. kbmonkey
[19:41] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[19:41] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[19:41] <Kilos> maiatoday  danke
[19:41] <Kilos> ai!
[19:41] <Kilos> Maaz  danke
[19:41] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[19:42] <captine> so kbmonkey you use 3g for connectivity?
[19:43] <Trixar_za> charl: It's not really against the original intention
[19:43] <Trixar_za> Actually, CTCP and actions themselves weren't in the original design either
[19:44] <Trixar_za> Nor was DCC for that matter
[19:44] <charl> the difference being that dcc and ctcp are not in contradiction to the original design
[19:44] <kbmonkey> captine, yes. at this moment it is more like 2g.
[19:44] <Kilos> kbmonkey  get a telkom 3.75g modem
[19:44] <Kilos> they fly
[19:45] <kbmonkey> maiatoday, you are right - I am not on any team on Launchpad anymore
[19:45] <inetpro> kbmonkey: how about renewing your membership on launchpad?
[19:45] <Kilos> takes a while to get nm to see it but once switched they rock
[19:46] <kbmonkey> I can't seem to find where teams are listed on launchpad :P
[19:46] <inetpro> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[19:46] <Trixar_za> charl: Well, it's not mentioned at all in any of the RFCs, but a few features used by current IRCds aren't mentioned either. It's a gray area. It's actually ironic that some IRC indexers are against Meta-Networks, but that was one of IRC creator's later vision for IRC :P
[19:47] <kbmonkey> That was very helpful, thanks inetpro - joined!
[19:47] <charl> Trixar_za: i saw a very nice piece on it the other day but unfortunately i can't find it now
[19:48] <charl> Trixar_za: if i find it again i'll send you the url - but as with all things in life, it's subjective
[19:49] <inetpro> kbmonkey: yw
[19:49] <Trixar_za> True - I once read a very good essay on why case insensitivity in programming is a good idea. Ultimately it's down to your tastes :P
[19:49] <Trixar_za> Doesn't matter so much for me - I have a pretty unique nickname
[19:50] <kbmonkey> let us type in morse then case won't be an issue XD
[19:50] <Kilos> inetpro  how do we get maaz to say how lame a nick is
[19:51] <kbmonkey> Maaz, morse Hello World
[19:51] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Encodes as .... . .-.. .-.. ---   .-- --- .-. .-.. -..
[19:51] <inetpro> Kilos: nickometer?
[19:51] <Kilos> danke
[19:52] <Kilos> Maaz  nickometer Trixar_za
[19:52] <Maaz> Kilos: Trixar_za is 14.4% lame
[19:52] <Kilos> hehe
[19:52] <Trixar_za> Maaz nickometer Kilos
[19:52] <Maaz> Trixar_za: Kilos is 0.0% lame
[19:52] <Trixar_za> lol
[19:52] <Trixar_za> You so modified that
[19:52] <Kilos> lol
[19:52] <Kilos> i figured it out
[19:52] <Kilos> he dont like other characters in nicks
[19:53] <Kilos> Maaz  nickometer Kilos-
[19:53] <Maaz> Kilos: Kilos- is 0.0% lame
[19:53] <Golynx> nice toy
[19:53] <Kilos> oh my
[19:53] <kbmonkey> Neo, is that you...?
[19:53] <Golynx> Maaz nickometer Golynx
[19:53] <Maaz> Golynx: Golynx is 0.0% lame
[19:54] <Golynx> :-/ 
[19:54] <Golynx> who made this i want my money back
[19:54] <kbmonkey> Maaz, nickometer kbmonkey
[19:54] <Maaz> kbmonkey: kbmonkey is 0.0% lame
[19:54] <Kilos> 0% is good man
[19:54] <kbmonkey> Maaz, nickometer 1337_h4ck3r
[19:54] <Maaz> kbmonkey: 1337_h4ck3r is 99.8% lame
[19:54] <kbmonkey> LOL
[19:54] <Golynx> oh lol
[19:55] <kbmonkey> and of course....
[19:55] <Kilos> did you close the meet kbmonkey  ?
[19:55] <kbmonkey> Maaz, flame Gill Bates
[19:55] <Maaz> Gill Bates, thou headless, tardy-gaited bladder
[19:56] <kbmonkey> Kilos, yes the meet is closed
[19:56] <kbmonkey> the minutes can be seen at http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-03-25-18-33-36.txt
[19:56] <kbmonkey> ended @21:37
[19:57] <charl> good evening all
[19:58] <kbmonkey> well, the loco site tells me I am a member ot the za team already, but still says I am not apart of a team when creating a new meeting
[19:58] <kbmonkey> I will try again later
[19:59] <Kilos> oh my
[19:59] <kbmonkey> but now, I must go make some tea and stretch my back. 
[19:59] <kbmonkey> maybe move the laptop to a table, this is uncomfortable
[20:00] <Kilos> hehe
[20:01] <liamT> ciao peeps
[20:01] <Kilos> cheers liamT  
[20:01] <Kilos> ty for attending
[20:09] <Kilos> methinks its bedtime for ballies
[20:09] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[20:09] <kbmonkey> I'll bookmark the minutes and try again tomorrow]
[20:09] <Kilos> ok kbmonkey  
[20:09] <kbmonkey> gn Kilos thank meneer!
[20:09] <Kilos> its in your hands
[20:10] <Kilos> dont be a starnger hey
[20:10] <Kilos> stranger
[20:10] <kbmonkey> nope!
[20:10] <Kilos> sleep tight laddy
[20:10] <kbmonkey> got to sort out some stuff for the move saturday, have a good night all
[21:15] <Vince-0> nite!
[21:27] <BothWays-Saucy> sorry I missed you guys , today .. the time flew by . http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=18520&sid=b774c9aedeb2e95bfc6ba7d2ea4bfe73
[23:02] <Private_User> hey Kilos, kbmonkey, sorry I missed the meeting again this time it was my fault went to lay down for a bit, rest my eyes ;) but instead fell of to sleep and only woke up like an hour or 2 ago