[02:26] cheers everybody chat later [05:08] morning nlsthzn and all others [05:11] wbb [05:39] hi jabberwocky93 [05:41] morning Kilos [05:41] o/ everyone [05:49] hi Spekko [05:50] morning Kilos [06:15] good mornings [06:16] hi inetpro [06:24] hi bduk1 [06:30] morning everyone [07:32] ! [07:33] hi Vince-0 [07:46] Hai Kilos [08:01] hi tinuva [08:15] hi Golynx [08:15] hi Kilos [11:52] hello [11:52] hi magespawn [12:03] looks like I'm going to miss another meeting. I've got an examination tonight, starting at 19:00 [12:06] well save logs for you jabberwocky93 [12:06] hehe [12:07] thanks guys :-) [12:37] good day all [12:38] hi Private_User [12:38] hey Golynx [12:44] hi liamT [12:48] hmm... I wonder if liamT is studying Biology or Information Technology or is actually a lecturer or maybe even the Dean? [12:49] why you wonder that kinda stuff [12:49] wits? [12:52] hey liamT [12:53] lol, yeah Kilos his domain name pc51.bioinf.wits.ac.za [12:54] I am wondering what the bioinf means [12:54] maybe that is just the name of tha lab that he is in [12:54] hmm... yeah could be hey magespawn could be... [12:55] weve had lecturers here on and off [12:55] but they dont stay long [12:55] but wondering why liamT aint answering though [12:55] he does normally [12:56] he must be busy [12:56] maybe since it could be a lab pc somebody else logged in without realizing that it was his profile [12:56] some people just log on and dont bother checking the channel after a few hours later [12:57] si, normally busy [12:57] greetings everyone [12:57] not biology and IT ? [12:58] o/ magespawn [12:58] Private_User: bioinformatics [12:58] sjoe [12:58] thats a big word [12:58] it is a mouthful [12:59] aha was thinking of maybe it could be short for something [12:59] hey liamT [13:00] hey [13:00] so what is bioinformatics all about? [13:01] its teaching bio peeps how to format stuff [13:01] hehe [13:01] LOL [13:01] ha, exactly, though generally i'm the one formatting it [13:02] it's to do with all the interactions of proteins, dna, rna and all the other things, how they relate to each [13:02] other, you can imagine how complicated or interconnected things get [13:02] liamT: so did humans really evolved from bacteria 3 billion years ago ? [13:03] no [13:03] and neither did we evolve from monkeys [13:03] lol [13:04] liamT: no , is a very uneducated answer :-/ [13:04] there was a common ancestor, from which we both came [13:04] if we had evolved from monkeys or anything else there would be no monkeys left [13:04] how else did you expect us to have gotten here [13:04] a common ancestor [13:04] God made us as you see us [13:05] i know of the cavemen , \ [13:05] Adam [13:05] i mean the core , the very beginning of DNA [13:05] if you believe that god made us fine, i prefer to think that God started the process of evolution [13:06] even though I don't believe in God [13:06] but let's not get into too heavy a discussion [13:06] ya [13:06] i believe we are one invisible spirit named God , animating the physical universe [13:07] no religion or politics allowed here [13:07] but i'd be happy to answer questions in biology [13:08] lol [13:08] tell me [13:08] lol, i thought so [13:08] with the genetically modifying of vegetables is it part of the plan to make the seeds infertile [13:09] liamT: so your still new in the field [13:09] or is nature stopping it like with donkey horse crosses [13:10] Golynx: i've been in the field for 12 years [13:11] liamT: okay [13:11] Kilos: possibly, i wouldn't trust Monsanto. sometimes the cross breed is not reproductively viable, sometimes a modification will affect seed viability, sometimes its intentional [13:11] ah so they can control it? [13:12] I was just reading about bioinformatics on the net [13:12] hard to find seeds today that can reproduce again [13:12] you know when I was in school I never knew about any of these fields [13:12] Kilos: i'm not a plant person, but i suspect they can control it [13:13] G.M food can cause long term health issues , in same cases as exposure to nuclear radiation [13:13] maybe I was stupid then or just not informed [13:13] Kilos: buy heirloom seeds [13:14] Golynx: There is not evidence for that. We've been eating GM foods for centuries. [13:14] oh liamT are they still good to use [13:14] you mean decades liamT? or has it really been centuries? [13:14] liamT: studies is still going on for the long term effects of it [13:15] Private_User: i would say centuries. The difference between now and centuries back is that back then it was selective breeding (a long arduous process), whereas today this can be finely controlled. [13:15] Maaz google where to buy heirloom seeds [13:15] Kilos: "Heirloom Seeds | Baker Creek Heirloom Seed Co" http://www.rareseeds.com/ :: "Seed Savers Exchange - Organic, Heirloom Garden Seed Info & Store" http://www.seedsavers.org/ :: "10 Best Heirloom Seed Companies as Selected By Readers ..." http://www.treehugger.com/lawn-garden/10-best-seed-companies-selected-by-readers.html :: "HEIRLOOM SEEDS - over 1450 [13:15] varieties of heirloom (non-hybrid ..." https://www.heirloomseeds.com/ :: "Heirloom Seeds and Pla… [13:16] ty liamT [13:16] but you know studies can be manipulated to give you what ever results the people who benefit financially from what ever results they give you [13:16] the difference between selective breeding and genetic engineering is really a semantic argument, they are both genetically modified, one is just faster [13:17] Private_User: absolutely [13:17] ah ok liamT that actually makes sense hey almost like GM food is just a quicker process of what would have been done manually before science [13:18] the difference between the US and EU perspective is that is the US, someone else has to prove that it is damaging (safe unless proven otherwise), whereas in the EU, you must first prove that it is safe (not safe, unless proven otherwise) [13:18] today more and more chemicals are used in processing such manufacturing , adds to the health problems the future human populations will face [13:20] Golynx: sure, so eat unprocessed foods, and wash what you eat [13:21] liamT: yeah , seems like that is all we can do. [13:21] but in the US people will find any reason to find something dangerous so they can just sue the manufactures producers for money, like the McDonalds case and also tobacco companies. When I heard about the Mcdonalds case it was funny to me cause we all know that if you eat too much junk food especially too much carbs and are not active you will get fat but then I realize its the US and people will do anything to make a quick bu [13:22] man I am really slow at typing hence the reason for my poor grammar did not even re-read that one [13:23] ja, but I think it is better to err on the side of caution, especially when dealing with global food systems, or climate. Why wait until everyone is half dead, or the climate dramatically altered before saying, "hey, guess we should have stopped that" [13:24] Golynx: also grow you own "organic" garden. Nothing beats freshly cut vegetables straight from the garden into the pot === Rynofear is now known as rynomster [13:25] Private_User: they taste better because they ripen in the garden, as opposed to store bought which are picked when unripe, and then put into ripening rooms with special gases and temperatures [13:26] yep we have a garden here and most of our vegetables are from there [13:27] but I do admit they have to be prepared well most people hate veggies cause they grew up eating veggies that were not prepared well [13:27] when you have to feed 7 billion mouths , i guess there is no other way but G.M [13:28] Private_User: what about the compost , have to make sure there is no dangerous chemicals in there [13:29] hmm... I never thought of that hey [13:30] I'd be worried more about the bacteria in the compost that chemicals [13:31] make your own compost and get red wrigglers [13:31] "than chemicals" [13:31] no need for fertilizers with them worms [13:31] i read somewhere we have more bacteria in our mouths than on a toilet seat lol [13:32] lol [13:33] Kilos: yeah worms and other kinds of friendly bugs likes eating the dangerous pests [13:34] Golynx: we have more bacteria on us that we have human cells [13:35] liamT: sure , thats a no brainer ofcourse [13:36] a few trillion cells will never compare to quadrillions of bacteria :D [13:41] Golynx you must read up on them red wrigglers. one can sell the produce from them too [13:41] i have 2 dustbins with them in and use on my strawberries and chillies and peppadews and so on [13:42] http://home.howstuffworks.com/vermicomposting1.htm [13:42] but i'm happy to see DNA changing/evolving to grow the brain and make other body parts less useful. Humans will for sure look like the Grey Alien type someday in a few 100k or million years :) [13:43] lol [13:43] i dont want to live that long to find out [13:43] lol hopefully Golynx is talking about his upstairs brain [13:43] haha [13:44] Private_User: lol [13:45] we humans tend to keep on using the brain mostly , so the DNA will slowly evolve to give full evolution advantage to that part of the body [13:45] yeah I agree Kilos I do not wanna live that long or even till 100 nope I have seen how my grand dad was in the last few years of his life and I do not want that for me [13:46] sadly there will be no "lower brain" by then and we will have to clone babies in test tubes [13:46] :( [13:46] that would be boring Golynx [13:46] hehe [13:47] I would like to go back to cave man days, if you saw something you want you take it ;) [13:47] Private_User: thats great news for woman lol [13:47] LOL [13:48] no more child birth :D [13:49] lol , just klap over the head and drag to the cave [13:49] HAHAHAHAHA, yeah [13:52] signing off, have a good avie [13:53] cool cya liamT, I guess you will not be at meeting [13:53] which meeting ? [13:53] hopefully I remember when its time, I missed the last 2 [13:54] ubuntu-za meeting tonight [13:54] here on IRC [13:54] time ? [13:54] Kilos: give liamTinfo on the meeting [13:54] uncle Kilos ... just installed hexchat and the sound works out of the box... [13:55] oh sorry [13:55] at 20:30 I think liamT, Kilos can confirm [13:55] tonight here at 20,30\ [13:55] will try my best [13:55] im busy doing plumbing in between [13:56] ciao [13:56] cheers liamT [13:56] hopefully you don't get any water on your PC there Kilos... hehe [14:04] lol no man its in my sisters bathroom [14:08] ah ok so its away from your PC [14:14] yeah far away [14:23] see you at the meeting, later all [15:08] that was my alter ego buwahahaha [15:09] twit [15:10] nuvolari ping [16:00] hi psydroid [16:03] hey psydroid [16:04] hi Kilos [16:04] hi Golynx [16:04] I've been a bit busy lately [16:04] but now it's ok [16:05] I got tests yesterday and today and did well on them, so tomorrow I can start working [16:05] on first-level support, but that's just for 2-3 weeks maximum [16:34] hi hi [16:34] hi kbmonkey [16:35] did you brin nuvolari with you [16:35] bring [16:35] no I have not seen him hey Kilos [16:35] just popping in to say Ill be here tonight [16:35] ai! [16:35] Im going for some food now [16:36] got the agenda open here... [16:37] it was hot and windy today Kilos [16:38] i just mailed the list. i totally forgot this month [16:39] getting colder here. expecting 13°c here tonight [16:40] hi Wraz captine [16:40] hi there Kilos [16:40] :) [16:41] colder here Kilos, raining too [16:41] hey captine [16:41] hi Wraz [16:43] hey Golynx [16:56] hi amanica [16:56] long time no see [16:58] hey amanica1 [16:58] whew bad connection ther [17:06] hi Kilos, Golynx; had to convince Quassel a little to start working again. it must be rusty from disuse [17:11] good evening [17:11] Maaz: coffee on [17:11] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [17:15] Coffee's ready for charl! [17:24] Maaz: thanks [17:24] charl: Okay :-) [17:29] amanica: np [17:29] hi charl [17:32] hi Golynx [17:33] haha [17:33] hi charl [17:34] hi superfly [17:37] hi Kilos [17:40] evening liamT [17:41] i looked at http://www.organicseed.co.za/ [17:41] ty for the push in the right direction [17:41] wb liamT [17:44] evening all [17:46] sjoe [18:01] hi nlsthzn hows neelsie? [18:02] hiya maiatoday [18:02] hi Kilos [18:02] hows our girl? [18:03] I'll try to make it for 20:30 might be distracted, dinner guests [18:03] I am well and you? [18:03] im well ty maiatoday [18:03] hi smile [18:04] hi maiatoday [18:04] hey smile [18:04] hi! :) [18:06] hi, Golynx :) [18:10] hi smile [18:11] hi maiatoday [18:14] hi all :) [18:14] inetpro coowweee [18:24] whew liamT you got a genetically modified internet connection there [18:24] * inetpro joins #ubuntu-za for some meeting event [18:24] wrong dna mod though [18:24] hehe hi inetpro [18:24] i do, my router or isp is incompatible [18:25] good evening [18:25] oh and hi Kilos [18:25] ha as a secong thought [18:25] second [18:27] hello hello. [18:27] my monkey you well? [18:27] hi chairman [18:27] and vice chairman [18:28] nuvolari ping [18:29] fine fine Kilos - eating an avo. [18:29] is nuvolari around? [18:29] nope [18:29] bananas [18:29] vice chairman is here :) [18:30] vice chairman aka kbmonkey sorry [18:30] where [18:30] him and nuvolari swop places [18:30] ya ya :) [18:31] oh [18:31] he is young kbmonkey forgive him [18:31] hehe [18:31] Kilos: did he say he would not make it? [18:31] you cant forgive overtime :-/ [18:31] still got some windows genes floating aroung there [18:31] i havent heard from him at all inetpro [18:32] hi Vince-0 [18:32] we better get going [18:32] Vince-0/ [18:32] yes Kilos I think we should get going. andiamo! [18:33] have you got permissions yet [18:33] hi [18:33] Maaz, start meeting about Monthly Ubuntu-ZA IRC meet [18:33] * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles [18:33] Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman [18:33] superfly: Sure [18:33] hi superfly [18:33] * superfly bows out of the meeting now, he has housework to do [18:33] Maaz, I am Wesley Werner [18:34] kbmonkey: Sure [18:34] Maaz I am Miles Sharpe [18:34] Kilos: Okay [18:34] Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer [18:34] ty for popping in superfly [18:34] inetpro: Done [18:34] Maaz I am Bradley Putzier [18:34] captine: Alrighty [18:34] Maaz, topic Welcoming and Introduction [18:34] Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction [18:35] Hello everyone and welcome to the Ubuntu ZA IRC meet! [18:35] Maaz I am Jarryd Lynx [18:35] Golynx: Yessir [18:35] wb georgl [18:35] you may tell our minute taker Maaz who you are [18:35] Maaz I am Vincent Swart [18:35] Vince-0: Okay [18:35] kbmonkey: Sup [18:35] hey hey Vince-0 ! [18:35] Maaz: Liam Thompson [18:35] liamT: What? [18:35] Maaz, I am Marius Kruger [18:35] amanica: Alrighty [18:36] The agenda for today's meet can be seen at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/743/detail/ [18:36] liamT: Maaz: I am ... [18:37] Maaz I am Liam Thompson [18:37] liamT: Done [18:37] That's it :) [18:37] hi hi [18:38] Anyone else is free to tell Maaz their name throughout the meet too [18:38] hello georgl [18:38] hi [18:39] so let's get going! [18:39] Maaz: i am Charl van Niekerk [18:39] charl: Okay [18:39] Maaz, topic Review previous minutes [18:39] Current Topic: Review previous minutes [18:39] oh by the way nice to see everyone again! [18:39] hi Private_User sign in with maaz please [18:41] yeah kbmonkey we just kinda min [18:41] So the minutes from the last meet can be seen at http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-02-25-18-32-23.txt [18:41] am checking them now [18:41] We agreed that mandatory nick registrations would not be needed. [18:42] hmm... [18:42] Maaz: I am Maia Grotepass [18:42] maiatoday: Yessir [18:42] ai! maaz maiatoday be a lady [18:42] stupid bot [18:43] Also, the 15th was hardware freedom day. Did anybody do anything special that day? [18:44] i think thats when i got a telkom modem [18:44] didnt know it was that day... Owning a mac probably excludes me from celebrating... ;) [18:44] heh captine :P [18:44] hehe [18:45] Speaking of hardware freedom, are there any vendors selling linux hardware like system76 in the US? [18:45] Anyone know? [18:45] might be off topic. sorry [18:45] captine, there was a thread about this on the mailing list, I recall some sites were mentioned... [18:45] linux hardware? [18:45] no idea sorry [18:46] also didn't know about hw freedom day, it is AFAIK arduino day this saturday [18:46] Kilos, yip. i.e. hardware put together to ensure compatibility with linux from bios to wifi to graphics [18:46] wow that sounds cool [18:46] Kilos, buying a pc or laptop with Linux out of the box [18:47] hardware freedom day ? nope never heard of it [18:47] I contacted www.system76.com to find out about resellers in SA etc, but they dont have plans to expand to our little country just yet [18:48] in za we force whatever hardware we have to accept linux [18:48] i'm sure the guys at ##hardware threw a big party lol [18:48] Kilos, lol. agree [18:48] yeah Kilos [18:49] it at least teaches you [18:49] yeah but can be tiring at times [18:49] ah, here we go. captine you can try this thread: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/2013-January/010130.html [18:49] for sure [18:49] hi BothWays-Saucy [18:50] bot time again [18:50] Kilos: Huh? [18:50] ai! [18:50] Kilos, do you know what admin or announcements nuvolari had in mind? [18:50] hi .. just got the message ,... thru google .. Aloha from the IOM .. good luck guys ! [18:50] if not I will skip to Events topic [18:50] welcome to ubuntu-za BothWays-Saucy [18:51] yes welcome BothWays-Saucy [18:51] hiBothWays-Saucy [18:51] kbmonkey, thanks. zareason and system76 are not shipping to SA.. [18:51] unfortunately [18:51] ok .. I will sit back for a while .. good luck for 14.04 [18:51] ty BothWays-Saucy [18:51] kbmonkey, not sure the market is big enough here, esp with government not encouraging opensource software (from what I understand) [18:52] BothWays-Saucy where is IOM [18:53] nope kbmonkey sorry thats a mont ago you know [18:53] month [18:53] ah sorry about that captine. I was hoping that thread would lead to at least one site. [18:53] Maaz, topic Events [18:53] Aloha is Hawaian [18:53] Current Topic: Events [18:54] google : #manx [18:54] So upcoming, http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/ on the 20th September [18:55] eish so soon again, totally burned out on the last one.. [18:55] I'm going ahead and adding a reminder for this so long [18:55] september is far still man [18:56] Maaz, idea SFD 20 Sep http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/ [18:56] Idea recorded: SFD 20 Sep http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/ [18:56] ey Kilos us old folks don't have such good memories anymore ;) [18:56] hahaha [18:57] kbmonkey: Trusty Tahr (Ubuntu 14.04 LTS), scheduled for release on 17 April 2014 [18:57] I wont ask to set up meeting plans this early, but check out the site! [18:57] did you read the minutes [18:57] he musta logged something [18:57] any plans for release parties this time round? :) [18:58] +1 [18:58] this is before the next irc meet! [18:58] ask maiatoday she is good at planning things [18:58] I think Durban can have a celebratory party at our usual Gloria Jeans coffee shoppe [18:59] SFD... looks good. [18:59]