[03:07] <Makyo> jujugui FYI I think I need to hand off my card.  Will be around for call tomorrow morning to discuss, but things aren't going well on my end.
[03:07] <kadams54> Ugh. Sorry to hear that.
[03:10] <Makyo> rick_h_, Will have follow up appointments at 10,12, and 1 mountain tomorrow, the last conflicting with interview unfortunately.
[03:11]  * Makyo crosses fingers that folk see that, given time differences.
[03:13] <Makyo> Finally, my apologies, jujugui, for being slow the last few weeks. Hoping to pick the pace up soon, once things clear up a bit.
[10:45] <rick_h_> Makyo: ok, thanks for the heads up. We'll get things going
[10:45] <rick_h_> Makyo: let me know if there's anything you need or we can help with
[12:49]  * frankban lunches
[13:02] <rick_h_> kadams54: https://github.com/makyo/juju-gui/tree/state-module is a link to have handy 
[13:31] <frankban> rick_h_: morning. we need to answer to Micheal's question about PPA and why we don't depend on juju-core. IIRC, the reason is that quickstart is an opinionated tool which goal is to provide a quick one-line setup from 0 to a deployed juju environment. And also quickstart installs all the required packages to make juju work with local providers out of the box. Do you have a better answer?
[13:32] <rick_h_> frankban: nope, that's my understanding. 
[13:32] <rick_h_> frankban: I think the main thing is quickstart is meant to let users get an env running asap and it needs lxc/juju-local to do that
[13:32] <kadams54> guihelp anyone up for taking a look at https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/200 ?
[13:32] <frankban> rick_h_: I am going to reply on the bug then, thanks
[13:33] <rick_h_> frankban: thanks, appreciate it
[13:35] <rick_h_> kadams54: like git merge https://github.com/hatched/juju-gui.git destroy-service-1267899
[13:48] <frankban> rick_h_: replied to Robie's email, you are in CC, please feel free to add more info if you think is required
[13:57] <rick_h_> frankban: awesome, sounds good
[14:28] <hatch__> rick_h_ hey lemme know when you'd like to chat (re email)
[14:28] <rick_h_> hatch__: will, do, otp now but might be free in a few min
[14:29] <hatch__> sure just fire a link whever you're ready
[14:29] <hatch__> kadams54 still looking for a review for your branch?
[14:29] <kadams54> hatch__: yup
[14:30] <hatch__> on it
[14:30] <kadams54> thanks
[14:48] <hatch> kadams54 done review
[14:49] <rick_h_> hatch: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpi4fjoin1e48smd8d62l448?authuser=1&hl=en
[14:49] <rick_h_> frankban: ok, I'll work on some wording for the bug, can you add a card for the --distro-only flag for quickstart please?
[14:50] <frankban> rick_h_: I'll create a card in urgent for "adding a --distro-only to quickstart". yeah
[14:50] <frankban> rick_h_: thank you
[14:50] <rick_h_> jujugui call in 10 kanban please
[15:00] <hatch> jujugui call now
[15:07] <benji> My hangout tab crashed; trying to log back in.
[15:07] <hatch> we r done
[15:09] <benji> k
[15:13] <rick_h_> benji: anything for the team? We assumed your locked up visage of stunned silence meant no :)
[15:13] <benji> lol
[15:14] <benji> I got my travel to Austin booked, but that's about it.
[15:14] <rick_h_> benji: woot
[15:15] <hatch> Ooo
[15:15] <hatch> can we go to Austin too?
[15:15] <hatch> 2 legged sprint
[15:15] <hatch> :)
[15:22] <hatch> man sometimes bootstrapping on ec2 takes a while
[15:26] <hatch> frankban after quickstart opens the browser window the terminal 'hangs' on a blank line unless I hit a key - bug? 
[15:28] <frankban> hatch: ugm, that's python's webbrowser.open behavior I suppose. Yes please file a bug, and if you agree triage it as low priority
[15:30] <hatch> yeah definitely low priority, ok will do
[15:43] <hatch> frankban is there a way to get a list of the charms loaded into the juju env?
[15:43] <benji> jujugui: pull request up: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/202
[15:44] <frankban> hatch: local charms? are you asking if there is a juju-core API to get a list of uploaded local charms?
[15:44] <kadams54> benji: I can take a look
[15:44] <hatch> frankban yeah
[15:44] <benji> kadams54: cool, thanks
[15:44] <rick_h_> frankban: yea, we're trying to allow a bundle to deploy local charms already uploaded to the env
[15:44] <kadams54> Looked like a pretty small change :-)
[15:45] <hatch> frankban I assumed that it also loads charmworld charms into the env
[15:45] <rick_h_> hatch: no, this is all sans charmworld
[15:45] <hatch> rick_h_ right - I was talking more generally
[15:45] <frankban> hatch, rick_h_: I don't think there is an API like that.
[15:46] <rick_h_> frankban: I had thought that a local charm already in the env could be referenced in a bundle file 
[15:46] <hatch> I'll ask in juju-dev
[15:46] <frankban> rick_h_: that's true
[15:47] <rick_h_> frankban: right, so the issue is what we export isn't re-importable as a bundle
[15:47] <rick_h_> frankban: so hatch is trying to find the magic form of charm: xxxxx that can go into a bundle to make it work
[15:47] <frankban> rick_h_: in theory when you call ServiceDeploy you can pass a local charm if already uploaded (that's what we do in the GUI)
[15:48] <frankban> rick_h_: we should check if there is a constraint (only non-local) in the guiserver/deployer stack
[15:49] <rick_h_> hatch: frankban can you guys chat and catch up on where to look for that and if we've got a way to make it work currently. If not what's an easy way to allow it to work?
[15:51] <hatch> frankban quick hangout?
[15:51] <hatch> I'll bring you up to speed on where I am
[15:52] <hatch> I'm pretty sure this is a deployer change
[15:52] <frankban> rick_h_: sure, let me take a look at the deployer. re=export/import for local charms: my understanding is that the user importing that bundle have to previously upload all the charm: "local:precise/xxx-42" charms
[15:52] <frankban> hatch: sure, let's chat
[15:52] <hatch> frankban https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpjdp1v7ea4q790vi9jqvug8?authuser=1&hl=en
[15:52] <rick_h_> frankban: right
[15:54] <benji> rick_h_: the bundle that wasn't displaying on manage.jujucharms.com seems to be displaying now: http://manage.jujucharms.com/bundle/~jorge/rails/example-scalable
[15:54] <rick_h_> benji: woot!
[15:54] <rick_h_> benji: oh, no, that's the ~jorge version
[15:55] <benji> rick_h_: http://manage.jujucharms.com/bundle/~charmers/rails/example-scalable
[15:55] <rick_h_> there's a ~charmers promulgated version
[15:55] <rick_h_> oh, even better then
[15:55] <rick_h_> jcastro: ^
[15:56] <rick_h_> benji: hmm that doesn't search under rails at all though. That's a bummer
[15:56] <kadams54> OK, newb question: what's a subordinate service?
[15:56] <benji> it might be a search issue instead of an ingest issue
[15:57] <rick_h_> benji: rgr http://manage.jujucharms.com/search?search_text=bundle&op=
[15:57] <rick_h_> kadams54: look behind you
[16:08] <hatch> lol
[16:10] <rick_h_> I'm stalking him
[16:15] <hatch> rick_h_ https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpjdp1v7ea4q790vi9jqvug8?authuser=1&hl=en
[16:15] <rick_h_> hatch: sec
[16:19] <kadams54> It's spooky. There was somebody else sitting behind me. Now it's Rick. Ninja team lead.
[16:24] <hatch> he choked him out and dragged him away all stealth like
[16:25] <hatch> .....you're next....watchout
[16:25] <rick_h_> not until he refactos browser.js State :)
[16:25] <rick_h_> refactors that is
[16:25] <hatch> lol
[16:38] <rick_h_> jujugui lunch break
[16:38] <rick_h_> hatch: email sent
[16:38] <rick_h_> jujugui reed's material should be in your email
[16:38] <hatch> thanks
[16:58] <Makyo> That went well. Still have a few more.  Since I'm in and out today, anyone need reviews?
[16:58] <Makyo> jujugui ^^^
[16:59] <hatch> I think they are all caught up (for once) hehe
[16:59] <Makyo> Nice
[16:59] <hatch> Makyo I was going to step out for an early lunch if you wanted to QA https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/200/files
[16:59] <hatch> if not, no issue
[16:59] <Makyo> Sure thing.
[16:59] <hatch> cool thanks
[17:00] <hatch> and with that, bbiab
[17:25] <rick_h_> Makyo: glad to hear
[17:43] <rick_h_> Makyo: if you're bored and feeling better feel free to poke at the d3 module loading stuff
[17:44] <Makyo> rick_h_, yeah, that's what I'm on now, will move the card.
[17:44] <rick_h_> Makyo: but yea, think we're good on reviews and the like for the moment, thanks for offering to look
[17:44] <rick_h_> Makyo: awesome
[18:09] <Makyo> Wow, vows is fast. 2609 honored ∙ 4 errored (10.000s)
[18:09] <Makyo> Granted, d3 tests don't do much in the dom.
[18:10] <rick_h_> Makyo: nice
[18:31] <Makyo> rick_h_, can we reschedule 1:1?
[18:31] <Makyo> Or can do it now, just up to you w/ interview etc.
[18:37] <rick_h_> Makyo: sure thing. Let's reschedule
[18:37] <rick_h_> Makyo: let me know what works
[18:38] <Makyo> rick_h_, I'm open from 8 mountain to 5 mountain, minus standup at 9.
[18:38] <rick_h_> Makyo: ok, want to go after the interview? 
[18:38] <Makyo> rick_h_, Will be back at around 10 after or so, is that okay?
[18:39] <Makyo> Shouldn't be too long, I guess.
[18:39]  * rick_h_ does math
[18:39] <hatch> uh oh
[18:39] <rick_h_> hah
[18:39] <hatch> lol
[18:39] <rick_h_> I thoght you were behind me 2hr? 
[18:40] <rick_h_> Makyo: /me is confused about 10 and after 4pm EDT (2pm mountain?) interview
[18:40] <Makyo> I see interveiw starting in 20. next appointment starts same time, lasts an hour, ten minute drive.
[18:40] <rick_h_> Makyo: ah, yea no problem
[18:40] <Makyo> 10 minutes after, sorry
[18:40] <rick_h_> Makyo: sure, let me know when you're back and have a coffee/etc
[18:40] <Makyo> Cheers
[18:40] <hatch> 8 mountain 5 mountain sounds like a scale
[18:41] <Makyo> Haha
[18:54] <hatch> frankban you're still in? :)
[18:56] <hatch> kadams54 you can land your branch now
[18:56] <kadams54> hatch: thanks!
[18:56] <hatch> kadams54 also did you qa or just review benji's branch?
[18:57] <kadams54> I don't know?
[18:57] <hatch> lol
[18:57] <hatch> https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/202
[18:57] <hatch> this one
[18:57] <frankban> hatch: yes
[18:58] <kadams54> I reviewed the code changes, ran lint, ran all the tests, did some manual testing with the nrpe charm
[18:58] <hatch> ok cool so from now on also add 'QA OK' or some variation on that just so we know that qa was also done
[18:58] <frankban> guihelp: I need two reviews for https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/203 . Thanks and have a great evening!
[18:58] <kadams54> OK, does "QA" mean "manual functional testing"?
[18:58] <hatch> frankban I'll do one
[18:59] <hatch> kadams54 yep
[18:59] <kadams54> Got it
[18:59] <frankban> thanks hatch 
[18:59] <hatch> and you also have a good evening
[18:59] <hatch> :)
[18:59] <hatch> kadams54 it seems that over time we have developed a convention where +1 means codereview and 'qa <something' means that it's been qa'd :)
[20:21] <Makyo> rick_h_, ping, back.
[20:24] <rick_h_> Makyo: pong
[20:24] <rick_h_> Makyo: sorry, interview ran long, I'll get a link going
[20:25] <hatch> wb Makyo 
[20:25] <Makyo> rick_h_, okay, cool, thanks
[20:25] <Makyo> thanks hatch 
[20:25] <rick_h_> Makyo: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpjmr4g7g2e36vmj5svf0vlk?authuser=1&hl=en
[20:26] <kadams54> Alright, heading out folks. Have a good day all.
[20:27] <hatch> have a good one!
[20:30] <hatch> amazon did a big price cut as well http://venturebeat.com/2014/03/26/amazon-goes-on-a-price-slashing-spree-maxing-out-at-a-61-cut/
[20:35] <rick_h_> woot
[20:37] <hatch> rick_h_ this influxdb looks pretty cool http://influxdb.org/
[20:38] <rick_h_> hatch: yea, love an interview that gets you looking at stuff :)
[20:38] <rick_h_> good sign
[20:39] <hatch> haha...truth
[20:40] <hatch> ok I think I can finally get back to real work now
[20:41] <rick_h_> hatch: hah
[20:41] <rick_h_> jujugui, think I'm going to hit EOD and head out here as well. 
[20:42] <hatch> allrighty, see you when you get home
[20:42] <hatch> lol
[20:49] <hatch> Makyo have you seen that stuff where svg's are animated so it looks like they are being drawn? It would be pretty cool if it did that after clicking 'deploy' :)
[20:50] <Makyo> hatch, yeah, though that'd be easier without separate assets for the services.
[20:51] <hatch> yeah - I'm not sure how it would apply to what we have but maybe a new design could allow for it
[20:51] <Makyo> Mmhm
[20:51] <Makyo> I was playing around a little with impress.js last week, too.  Gave me similar ideas.
[20:52] <hatch> great minds think alike
[20:52] <hatch> :P
[20:52] <hatch> ohh Makyo  frankban is looking for another review (I'm going to do one) https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/203 if you're still looking for reviews
[20:53] <Makyo> Sure thing,
[20:55] <Makyo> Um... what. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvWGLcdI8o8
[21:00] <hatch> Makyo rofl!
[21:00] <Makyo> Never thought I'd be able to say the phrase, "Man, that Goat Simulator game looks terrifying."
[21:00] <hatch> hahahahahaha
[21:01] <hatch> oh man that's so many levels of awesome
[21:01] <hatch> where do people come up with this stuff
[21:05]  * Makyo dogwalk quickly
[21:06] <hatch> this is the worst time of year for dog walking....everything is so muddy heh
[21:37] <Makyo> That was a few weeks ago, yeah
[21:37] <Makyo> We're between snow and rain now.
[21:39] <hatch> ohh nice - yeah atm it snows at night then melts in the morning
[21:39] <hatch> so it's basically perma wet
[21:40] <hatch> I figure we have another couple weeks of this then it'll be 'brown season' until it starts to rain
[21:40] <hatch> 'brown season' is basically where everything is dirty and dead from winter :)
[22:02] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:12] <hatch> morning huwshimi 
[22:42] <huwshimi> hatch: Did you and rick_h_ manage to have another chat about the approach to take for the machine view?
[22:42] <hatch> crap I knew I forgot something today
[22:42] <huwshimi> haha, it's ok
[22:42] <hatch> it was a really busy day
[22:43] <huwshimi> hatch: No problems.
[22:44] <hatch> if he pops back on tonight I can have another chat
[22:44] <hatch> how is the header view coming?
[22:47] <huwshimi> hatch: OK, I was held up for ages at the end of yesterday by a template not working for some reason. Somehow it magically worked when I loaded it all up again this morning. I hadn't even restarted my computer!
[22:47] <hatch> lol ok that's odd
[22:48] <huwshimi> Yeah...
[23:13] <rick_h_> hatch: :P
[23:13] <hatch> :)
[23:14] <rick_h_> not at home, but the coffee shop so :P
[23:15] <hatch> lol I was close
[23:15] <hatch>  I really got to try and set one of those things up here
[23:15] <hatch> I suppose i'd need to find a good locale first
[23:16] <rick_h_>  Zyea
[23:16] <rick_h_> err yea
[23:16] <rick_h_> well found a good place for wine and dinner first. So don't ask me anything that requires thinking :)
[23:17] <hatch> haha no problem I'll leave the work talk till tomorrow
[23:17] <hatch> I'm just playing some hearthstone then i'll finish up that branch
[23:17] <rick_h_> woot