[00:08] ScottK: quassel uploaded, please approve === jono is now known as Guest43238 [01:59] Riddell: Looking [02:02] Riddell: Done [06:11] hey valorie [06:11] hi ahoneybun_ [06:11] how goes the house? [06:11] sporty with a little tail there, aaron [06:12] the end is in sight! [06:12] nice [06:12] how's life with you? [06:12] I'm wondering where I should work now [06:13] (docs wise) [06:13] or maybe else wise [06:13] what else are you interested in? [06:14] I mean, you know what's needed [06:14] at the moment we need more translations [06:15] but the current docs package does not work in khelpcenter in other langs [06:15] as far as I can tell [06:15] I can write to the list again, but I assume people work as they have time [06:15] * valorie is rather busy with GSoC stuff [06:15] but that will slack off after we make the choices [06:16] maybe I'll have time to test some more [06:16] and the new site is nice in everyone's opinons [06:16] can never spell that word right [06:16] valorie, http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/ [06:17] right, I gave you some feedback the other day [06:17] here [06:19] oh? [06:19] I try to do things immediately, before I forget [06:23] when I tried packaging I always picked packages that were hard for anyone [06:24] because of licenses [06:25] licensing can be a bear, I hear [06:25] it is true [06:32] I should be sleeping soon lol [06:32] 2:30 am [06:32] valorie, omgubuntu http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/tile1.jpg [06:35] interesting! [06:35] much bearded [06:35] I like how that makes a heart shape [06:36] wonder where they found that [06:37] I think I found it [06:37] somebody made it [06:37] https://www.facebook.com/udface/posts/10152365481434374?stream_ref=10' [06:38] * ahoneybun_ begins updating his banner with it [06:39] it does have a good resemblance to yours, indeed [06:42] better though [06:46] they have a whole art department to work on stuff [06:46] true [06:47] wish I had a svg [06:47] perhaps you can find one on the ubuntu.com site somewhere [06:48] need to find the old one and the page url should be close to it [06:55] Ubuntu GNOME got LTS [06:57] this is nice http://ubuntuportal.com/2014/03/ubuntu-14-04-lts-trusty-tahr-will-have-a-new-unity-lock-screen.html [06:57] most of the flavors are, i think [06:57] ugh, I hate the colors [06:57] but they did not have it till now [06:59] darn why is it hard to find a official logo [06:59] ahoneybun_: official logo of ? [06:59] tahr [06:59] https://www.facebook.com/udface/posts/10152365481434374?stream_ref=10 but a svg [07:02] manchicken: I'm a bit (for a large value of a bit) concerned about KDE bug 332613 that I just filed. Thoughts? [07:02] KDE bug 332613 in libqapt "Libqapt/Muon Does Not Honor NotAutomatic Flag" [Major,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332613 [07:02] apachelogger: ^^^ I think this is concerning. [07:04] * ahoneybun_ disappears in a netflix filled cloud === skfin_ is now known as skfin === skfin is now known as Guest85762 === Guest85762 is now known as skfin_ === vHanda_ is now known as vHanda [10:20] apachelogger: thank you for keeping everyone's sanity [10:25] oh noes [10:26] * Riddell rebuilds images for today [10:26] shadeslayer: oh no? [10:26] oh noes x 2 [10:26] oh no oh no? [10:26] Riddell: I just completed the full disk install :P [10:26] and virtualbox does not reboot [10:26] even if I press enter [10:26] sucks to be virtualbox [10:27] sounds like a bug in you-boon-too to me [10:27] yes [10:29] Riddell: yeah, my guess is that it's because gst0.10 dropped off the ISO [10:29] Riddell: on a related note... did you talk with dvratil about usign the porting branch? [10:29] apachelogger: I did, he said we should say if we need any help [10:30] apachelogger: I presumably we'll need to remove the qapt integration somewhere and reinstate the simpler kubuntu-notification helper stuff [10:30] and work out what to do with ktp-call-ui [10:30] or we could like port stuff [10:32] mumble mumble mumble [10:32] re call ui, you'd need to port qgst first [10:32] which is done :) [10:33] or well, I think nearly done [10:34] shadeslayer: are you still on the python3.4 crashery? [10:34] ah, you sent a mail [10:34] I think we need a card [10:34] apachelogger: yes, waiting for a reply from phil [10:34] someone mentioned it might be a issue with QScintilla, but apport doesn't use QScintilla , so ... [10:35] * apachelogger is really far behind on deadline cards -.- [10:35] shadeslayer: I think qscintilla is somehow involved in pyqt [10:35] never figured out how exactly the two related to one another [10:36] * shadeslayer is very hungry [10:37] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calligra/+bug/1297629 [10:37] Launchpad bug 1297629 in calligra (Ubuntu) "package krita-data 1:2.7.91-0ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/services/kritasketchpaintop.desktop', which is also in package krita 1:2.7.91-0ubuntu5" [Undecided,New] [10:37] why does a system get a 2 week old version as update [10:40] apachelogger: assigned beastie to sgclark [10:40] pfff, I just was done fixing :P [10:41] lucky her [10:44] anyone able to check this for sanity? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/commefont-1.0.0.tar.gz [10:49] Riddell: sorry, Im insane, sanity isnt an option here :D [10:49] (oh, and good morning :D) [10:49] jussi: check it for insanity then? if it doesn't work for you then I must be doing it right [10:50] haha [10:51] Riddell: what is it? [10:51] oooh, fonts... [10:51] Riddell: how would one test it? [10:51] jussi: build and install and set your system to use it [10:52] shadeslayer: libkpeople3 mentions nepomuk in (short)/description. But nepomuk was removed in 0.2.1 according to http://martys.typepad.com/blog/2014/03/kde-telepathy-08-is-out.html [10:53] allee: plz report a bug and assign it to me [10:53] will fix after beta 2 [10:54] ooh, I just got a baloo file extractor crash [10:54] nice. File a bug please [10:54] actually show me the backtrace first [10:55] vHanda: you have a hilight on baloo? :D [10:55] backtrace coming [10:58] jussi: he just can sense baloo crashes on the force [10:59] hehe [10:59] vHanda: will be a moment, installing debug stuff [11:05] vHanda: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7156101/ [11:06] jussi: this does not have any baloo code [11:06] Application: Apport KDE (python3) [11:07] vHanda: heh, wonder why it told me there was a crash of baloo then... [11:07] very strange [11:07] * vHanda is happy there is no crash [11:08] I wonder if the baloo crash crashed apport... [11:10] http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/26/plasma-desktopwA3351.png vHanda [11:10] jussi: known issue wrt the paste [11:10] is there something baloo related in /var/crash/ ? [11:10] and that crash looks like the one I already sent vHanda === skfin_ is now known as skfin [11:13] jussi: can you pastebin /var/crash/_usr_bin_baloo_file*.crash somewhere [11:14] shadeslayer: already happening, waiting on pastebinit [11:14] ack [11:15] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7156135/ [11:18] shadeslayer: I assume it was same? [11:18] vHanda: ^^ [11:21] shadeslayer: you going to test the new ISOs? [11:23] I shall [11:24] shadeslayer: lovely [11:33] yup same, ignore it [11:33] vHanda: ok, thanks [11:35] 'Morning all [11:54] Riddell: gst is still at 0.10? [11:56] shadeslayer: um, shouldn't be, how do you see that? [11:57] hmm yes phonon-backend-gstreamer is on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20140326/trusty-desktop-amd64.manifest [11:58] but I changed the recommended backend in phonon [11:59] the seeds have a dep and recommend on it [11:59] active: * phonon-backend-gstreamer [11:59] active: * (gstreamer0.10-qapt) [11:59] desktop: * (phonon-backend-gstreamer) [11:59] desktop: * (gstreamer0.10-qapt) [11:59] supported: * Extra-Exclude: gnome-panel-dbg gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-dbg [11:59] yeah, just found that [12:00] * Riddell fixes [12:13] is there anything we can do about not dimming screen when youtube videos are playing? [12:13] tell adobe to fix flash? [12:14] Riddell: html5 [12:19] did I ever mention that virtuoso crashes a lot? [12:22] it's about to disappear I hope [12:22] are you still using it? [12:23] it was like completely unusable on my notebook in trusty [12:23] glad that it's gone [12:23] Riddell: still got whoopsie reports for it in the last 24h [12:23] so I perhaps it is not being removed or people have not upgraded to the beta yet [12:23] it is peculiar though [12:24] Riddell: more reference for the krita thing https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/d5a743e35fb4a8acb5d00212c06af413af6d51f2 [12:24] (just so I mentedion it ^^) [12:25] apachelogger: did you push your fix? [12:25] Riddell: no [12:26] just means I am reasponsible if the change breaks something, I can live without that :P [12:27] apachelogger: harsh [12:27] sgclark: awake yet? [12:27] Riddell: yep :0 working on that bug first :) [12:27] Riddell: :) [12:28] sgclark: lovely, apachelogger is going mad over it and we like to keep him sane [12:29] lol [12:29] lol [12:29] that's actually possible? :P [12:32] yofel: sure, if sgclark doesn't fix it we'll get http://planetkde.org/hackergotchi/apachelogger.jpg if she does we'll get http://planet.ubuntu.com/heads/apachelogger.jpg [12:32] lol [12:32] lol [12:33] it is fixed, just a missed replace/break :) [12:33] and here I was thinking sgclark was of the male persuasion... sorry! [12:33] lol no woories! [12:33] shadeslayer: have you purchased a Polo yet? :D [12:34] assumptions are dangerous young jussi [12:34] Riddell: ass u me :D [12:42] sanity prevails, how dull [12:42] * apachelogger fixes his bowtie [12:43] apachelogger: sanity, how absolutly boring [12:43] you know, by now we have so much data for quality to look at that it gets tedious [12:45] Riddell, shadeslayer: in case I forget and you don't we'll need to reset the google docs test data and mention it in the announcement/wiki page [12:46] \o [12:46] yo Quintasan [12:46] sup Harald? [12:47] looking at test data :P [12:47] shadeslayer: oh btw, I think the touchpad test is missing comment fields [12:48] and for some reason 'Untick "Disable touchpad when typing" and click Apply' failed for one person, but 'Untick "Tap-and-Drag Gesture" , now try to tap and drag a window via the titlebar' did as well so it might be a bogus submission or something [12:48] hard to say without comments :P [12:49] I reset the amarok and dragon data due to the gst change [12:49] previous testing only indicated that plugin install is broken all around [12:56] ScottK: That sounds a bit more like a muon bug, no? [12:57] ScottK: Harald noted that he is unable to replicate the bug, too. [12:58] manchicken: fancy porting gstreamer0.10-qapt to gstreamer1.0-qapt ? [12:59] manchicken: could be a bug in either, muon draws the initial set of upgradable things from the backend IIRC, so if the backend reports something as upgradable that it shouldn't it would cause the presented bug, or if muon then does silly things or interprets the package flags incorrectly that can probably also cause it [13:01] Riddell: qapt uses qtgstreamer [13:01] so just like ktp that is blocked on getting that ported [13:06] meh, fontforge has defeated me, I can not compile it [13:07] anyone able to compile it? http://fontforge.github.io/en-US/downloads/gnulinux/ [13:12] anyone want to try and confirm fix in bug 1290514 ? [13:12] bug 1290514 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Saucy) "LibreOffice KDE4 backend crashes in Qt4 recursive paint events" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1290514 [13:19] Riddell: I can try, but I'm about to go on the road in a week for two weeks. [13:19] apachelogger: qapt is just a proxy for apt-pkg at that point though, IIRC, so I'm surprised if qapt is the source of the problem. [13:21] no idea :P [13:21] Riddell: don't we have fontforge? [13:22] !find fontforge [13:22] Found: fontforge, fontforge-common, fontforge-dbg, fontforge-nox, libfontforge-dev [13:23] apachelogger: The super-fun folks at YAPC didn't accept my talk since they filled up before they got to mine, so that's one thing off my plate. [13:24] :S [13:25] It means I have slightly more time between all the ladies and kids. [13:25] And work. [13:25] And running. [13:25] ^^ [13:28] apachelogger: got to be a version from the last few weeks, our package is years old and the daily builds are from last year [13:29] nice [13:29] * BluesKaj is thinking it's almost time for a kubuntu+1 channel since, ubuntu is drifting away with it's mir window system etc [13:29] well, we won't be the only ones eventually on wayland, so I'm not sure (ubuntu-gnome at least) [13:30] * apachelogger thinks ubuntu desktop doesn't use mir yet [13:30] it doesn't really, at least not for trusty [13:31] * yofel wanted to fix up neon4 for trusty but isn't sure where to even start with fixing it -.- [13:33] * apachelogger broke his wifi somehow [13:36] oh, it's only all the networking [13:36] -.- [13:51] manchicken: No idea if it's Muon or qapt. NotAutomatic is implemented in apt. I'll see if I can replicate later. [14:06] apachelogger: why do we need openjdk-7-jre on the iso [14:07] shadeslayer: see email? [14:07] mumble mumble libreoffice [14:09] ^^ [14:10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vois0RMtPHE [14:10] those french :@ [14:15] anyone able to help me test google hangouts quickly? [14:15] shadeslayer? [14:15] sure [14:16] oh [14:16] wait [14:16] desktop doesn't have a webcam [14:17] shadeslayer: let's try and see if you can see me [14:17] invited you [14:17] ok [14:17] shadeslayer: see my ping? [14:17] yeah, moment [14:17] need to install plugin [14:25] Riddell: our existing fontforge packaging is shit very much [14:28] and upstream's build system is even shittier [14:28] yep [14:28] apachelogger: thanks for trying [14:31] Riddell: I might be able to get it to build [14:31] Riddell: how urgent is this? [14:32] apachelogger: it's for comme font (was oxygen font) which I can release as .ttf files but I'd much rather release as something that compiles [14:33] apachelogger: what do you think can fix it? [14:33] manually moving autotools files around [14:33] which is pretty much what the existing packaging does, alas, in a very shitty way it appears [14:34] also needs libgc-dev [14:45] Riddell: Do you actually need a port for qstreamer-qapt? [14:45] gstreamer-qapt* [14:56] mh [14:56] Riddell: package the ttf [14:56] Riddell: it's a time drain and nothing more [14:57] apachelogger: ubuntu is mostly fine with that, fedora and maybe debian might have issues [14:57] apachelogger: can you check this for sanity? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/commefont-1.0.0.tar.gz [14:57] Riddell: then they can package fontforge if they want to [14:57] it's not impossible [14:58] it's just not worth it === Darkwing_ is now known as Darkwing [14:58] fair enough [14:58] * Darkwing waves [14:58] Riddell: tar looks fine [14:59] hi Darkwing [14:59] Hey Riddell, How is everythign? [15:01] Darkwing: the sun is out, life is good [15:01] Riddell: It's sorta warming up over over here. [15:01] only one over. [15:01] apachelogger!!!! [15:04] hello there [15:04] long time no see/talk [15:04] I entirely blame you :P [15:05] Darkwing: how's things [15:05] Riddell: oh, btw, are you on top of the shirt-for-patch thing I sent to the council? [15:05] oh, Darkwing finally managed to shovel his way out of all the snow again ^^ [15:06] apachelogger: yes I bought one from jussi's shop, hopefully jussi posted it to the guy [15:06] LOL yofel, aye. [15:06] Finally. [15:06] Although, it snowed again yesterday. [15:06] Riddell: groovy, thx [15:07] snow always reminds me of that movie with jack nicholson [15:07] here, what's that name again, ah can't remember [15:07] ah [15:07] the shining [15:08] Yup! [15:08] much scary that was [15:08] So, looks like I'm gonna have a kid again. [15:09] Darkwing: yay! [15:09] congratulations [15:09] (I assume it's yay) [15:09] Yes LOL [15:09] yay! [15:09] This will be her 1st kid and my 4th. [15:09] We got married back in August. [15:09] you can join jussi in being competative dad [15:09] LOL [15:10] How stable is 14.04? Been thinking about returning to KDE. [15:10] Darkwing: stable as a rock, all the crazy stuff is happening in kde frameworks 5 [15:10] Darkwing: and you're just in time for beta 2 testing http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/313/builds/65402/testcases [15:10] yeah, very stable, unless shadeslayer breaks startkde :P [15:11] ^^ [15:11] well, he always breaks at least one thing every release, so lets hope this was it :P [15:11] When does beta2 drop? [15:11] tomorrow IIRC [15:11] the day after today [15:11] are we still blaming everything on shadeslayer [15:11] ? [15:11] yep [15:11] \o/ [15:12] he usually doesn't complain about it [15:12] shadeslayer: I think I'll respin for this gstreamer seed change, seems important for the beta [15:12] and you didn't hear that from me :P [15:12] I just shrug it off as usual [15:12] there a daily live anymore or am I missing something? [15:12] Darkwing: I forward the blame to apachelogger usually :P [15:12] there should be one [15:12] or get him to fix it [15:13] Darkwing: yep, although I'll respin it shortly http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20140326/ [15:13] shadeslayer: can't do it on my or nix so someone has to. [15:13] Riddell: How shortly is shortly? [15:13] Darkwing: an hour? [15:13] *another* respin ? :( [15:13] shadeslayer: well it was you who found out we were still using gstreamer 0.10 [15:13] damnit [15:13] shadeslayer: so your testing was not in vain [15:14] Riddell: I'll wait to DL. [15:14] So, while I've been gone I've pretty much been doing webdev and python., [15:14] Migrating everyting from PHP to python+django [15:14] But I've missed you guys [15:15] Darkwing: sounds like maco, she's into her django [15:15] I should have done this a long time ago. [15:16] django is awesome [15:16] Sooooooooo much better than PHP [15:16] yessss [15:16] bah, I bet it complains if you make a syntax error, PHP just keeps on working if you make syntax errors [15:16] surely that's a good thin? [15:16] no [15:17] So deas PERL but, that's not advocating for that... [15:17] it complains when you indent incorrectly [15:17] so use proper indent. :P [15:17] or use a proper language [15:17] * apachelogger takes the dog for a walk [15:17] python is the future man. [15:31] Darkwing: that's wha they said about java :P [15:32] *looks at Android* *looks at javascript and html5* *looks at apachelogger* Looks like they were close to right. [15:32] :P [15:33] what does javascript and html5 have to do with java? [15:33] Me being sarcastic.... [15:33] Sorry, sarcasm doesn't travel well. [15:33] indeed :P [15:34] For my uses Python works. [15:34] I'm cringing at the costs of macs though [15:37] Like, I really want to build iOS apps for my people but... damn. [15:38] write in qml, deploy everywhere ;) [15:39] ^^ [15:40] Still have to sign it with a mac. [15:40] dang propriatary *(&(*& [15:40] well, you don't need to own a mac to do that [15:41] I hear shadeslayer has one such device for example ;) [15:41] ^^ [15:41] even has OS X installed at the moment [15:41] and sell in itunes? [15:41] ahhh, OSx in a VM? isn't that agaist TOS? [15:41] no no no [15:41] I have OS X on my MBP at the moment [15:42] ... [15:42] I need to setup Kubuntu on it, but that doesn't look like a possibility for another 2-3 weeks [15:42] Darkwing: my point is if you need to sign the store submission it does not matter if you sign it with a device that you own or someone else [15:42] ^^ [15:42] ahhhhh [15:43] tomorrow on phoronix "kubuntu developer unable to install own distribution" [15:44] apachelogger: just really busy with stuff and things [15:58] shadeslayer: is it so much work to install kubuntu Oo [16:06] sgclark: bounced you an e-mail, did you get the error it talks about? [16:08] * sgclark looks [16:08] Riddell: ahh yeah, I patched it [16:09] simple BorDer should be Border [16:10] sgclark: and you let someone else get the glory by not sending the patch upstream quick enough :) [16:11] Riddell: oh hmm, did not think of it, will send immediatly next time. alot to learn haha [16:14] apachelogger: really just don't have the time, even after installing I need to setup a bunch of things [16:15] well [16:32] "KDE Telepathy 0.8 is out" [16:32] who's onto that? [16:32] shadeslayer? Quintasan? [16:33] we can't get it in this week [16:33] right? [16:33] I'd rather delay to next week [16:34] interesting [16:34] ubuntu has gst0.10 and gst1.0 on the ISO [16:36] shadeslayer: after tomorrow we can [16:37] ah okay [16:37] tomorrow then [16:37] kubotu: newversion ktp-common-internals 0.8.0 [16:37] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1297941 [16:41] shadeslayer: I can't assign the bug to you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libkpeople/+bug/1297943 [16:41] Launchpad bug 1297943 in libkpeople (Ubuntu) "libkpeople: short & long description mention nepomuk, but nepomuk support was removed in 0.2.1" [Undecided,New] [16:42] done thx [16:45] Darkwing: ↑ [16:45] !testers | new beta 2 candidates [16:45] new beta 2 candidates: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley for information [16:48] Riddell: downloading now. what's changed and needs testing? [16:49]