=== m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [00:23] Hi robert_ancell! === jono is now known as Guest43238 [00:33] robert_ancell: ping? === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [01:55] GunnarHj, hello [01:58] robert_ancell: Hi! [01:59] robert_ancell: Since you were afk, I posted a comment on bug 1189382. [01:59] Launchpad bug 1189382 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "Misleading icons for “Keyboard” and “Text Input”" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1189382 [01:59] yep, saw that [02:00] robert_ancell: Isn't it a little late? [02:00] GunnarHj, I didn't actually propose it for merging. Thought I would see how hard it would be to do [02:00] The current state of having them split is a bit insane though [02:01] robert_ancell: Basically I agree. And they are already interlinked. [02:02] Yeah, it was nice to delete those silly links in the branch :) [02:02] robert_ancell: What more exactly would the merged capplet look like? What would the name of it be? [02:02] Keyboard [02:03] because they all relate to the keyboard [02:03] I'll attach a screenshot to the bug [02:04] robert_ancell: Do IM users look for IBus settings under Keyboard? ;-) [02:04] why wouldn't they? [02:04] All the other keyboard shortcuts and keyboard behaviours are there [02:06] GunnarHj, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/883256/+attachment/4043804/+files/Merged%20keyboard%20capplet.png [02:06] Launchpad bug 883256 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "unnecessary separation of keyboard and keyboard layout" [Wishlist,Triaged] [02:07] robert_ancell: Maybe you are right. Guess I'm colored by the discussions on the way keyboard layout and input methods were integrated. There was much criticism. And now this last minute change... [02:07] It's just a branch, not a change [02:07] robert_ancell: Yeah, personally I think that screenshot looks nice. [02:08] robert_ancell: Are you saying that you are not going to propose it for 14.04? [02:08] The other panel that annoys me is a vague "brightness and lock" [02:08] I'll see if anyone else thinks it's worth itr [02:08] i.e. design / seb [02:09] I suspect it would be too late / not high enough priority [02:10] robert_ancell: I'd vote fore too late for 14.04, but personally I'm all for it in 14.10. [02:16] robert_ancell: In any case this shows that the creation of u-c-c opens possibilities to make the UI more sensible. :) [02:16] GunnarHj, yes. It's kind of sad it will be obsolete so soon :( [02:16] Should have done it years ago [02:17] robert_ancell: Replaced by u-s-s? [02:17] yes === maclin__ is now known as maclin === FJKong_afk is now known as FJKong === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [05:51] Good morning === duflu_ is now known as duflu === jhernand1z is now known as jhernandez [09:02] good morning desktopers! [09:06] hey [09:09] morning! === maclin_ is now known as maclin [09:49] I see that phone convergence code is getting creating some minor regressions on the desktop, for example: bug 1289532, can somebody look into this? [09:49] Launchpad bug 1289532 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "NetworkManager is polling every 4 seconds on the Desktop looking for /var/lib/ofono " [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1289532 [09:52] cyphermox, ^ [09:52] cking, thanks for spotting those/pointed them out [09:53] no problem, we're making good progress in squashing these kinda issues [11:20] Moin! [11:23] seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/trusty/4.2.3/ and http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/precise/3.5.7/ubuntu6/ have the packages for sponsoring. Since we have the preliminary FFE for LibreOffice, do you need any additional redtape/bureaucracy from me? [11:49] Sweetshark, hey, looking [12:01] Sweetshark, trusty ones sponsored, looking to precise a bit later [12:07] seb128: aye === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:51] seb128, thank you, you are fast [12:51] ritz, yw, well that one was already uploaded before, I just don't like regression on done todo items ;-) [12:52] hehe :) === timmy is now known as Guest60910 [13:01] how can install app from flash drive [13:01] ? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:04] how can install app from flash drive? [13:09] cking: hey, looking at the NM issue; what were you using to see these wakeups again? [13:09] how can install app from flash drive? [13:09] cyphermox, health-check [13:09] seb128: don't know if you can help me, the keyboard shortcut that is now shown on a first startup from a fresh install. Is it just unity or a different package? [13:09] because this is happening as a side-effect of g_file_monitor_directory or something; I'm never calling inotify directly :/ [13:11] cyphermox, the tool just monitors the system calls, so goodness knows where the real culprit is [13:11] i guess gdb is the next best hunch [13:11] cking: yeah, no problem; I'll figure out how to unbreak it [13:11] davmor2, unity, what's the issue? [13:12] seb128: the clicking on the cross to close it does nothing [13:12] I think I could jsut skipping creating that monitor at all if the directory doesn't initially exists, since the function will get called again if ofono eventually appears on the bus [13:14] how can install app from flash drive? [13:17] i need help? [13:18] timmytimtimo, that channel is not an user support one, try #ubuntu [13:48] seb128: ping [13:48] kgunn, contentless ping warning [13:57] seb128: fyi in case you haven't seen it: bug #1288241. Not saying you should treat it special, just want to get it on your radar if it isn't [13:57] Launchpad bug 1288241 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "gnome-screensaver is running twice and prompts twice to unlock" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1288241 [13:58] I guess I could use rls-t-incoming [13:58] * jdstrand does so [14:00] jdstrand, hey, I saw it, I'm unsure to understand how that can happen though [14:00] me too, yet, it does [14:01] jdstrand, note that there is also bug #1292451 [14:01] Launchpad bug 1292451 in unity (Ubuntu) "screensaver re-locks itself after unlocking if the configured screen-off timer goes off while screen is locked" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1292451 === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:01] andyrock is supposed to work on those issues and said he would have a fix on monday, we are still waiting though :/ === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:02] i fixed the double lock [14:02] that's a different issue [14:02] * jdstrand notes he has two screensavers running right now [14:03] i mean i proposed a branch [14:03] mdes laur postulated it could be related to bug 1271591 [14:03] Launchpad bug 1271591 in gnome-keyring (Ubuntu) "upstart job race prevents gnome-keyring from being ssh agent" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271591 [14:03] ie, some sort of upstart race [14:03] jdstrand, it could be, because [14:03] $ LC_ALL=C gnome-screensaver [14:03] ** (gnome-screensaver:19175): WARNING **: screensaver already running in this session [14:04] and it exit [14:04] interestingly, sometimes I have one screensaver, other times two, but I never seem to have 3 [14:04] how are those started [14:04] ? [14:04] do you have a ppid? or are those dbus activated? or...? [14:04] but yeah, those upstart race are annoying [14:05] seb128: I promise I am not lying: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7156861/ :) [14:05] I wish somebody from foundation would help there [14:05] xnox, stgraber: ^ [14:06] FYI, I only have it running once, and am getting prompted twice to unlock [14:07] mdeslaur, right, that's bug #1292451 and the one andyrock is working on [14:07] Launchpad bug 1292451 in unity (Ubuntu) "screensaver re-locks itself after unlocking if the configured screen-off timer goes off while screen is locked" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1292451 [14:07] unity and g-s both triggering a lock [14:07] ah, yes, that looks like it [14:07] jdstrand issue is different [14:08] he manages to get 2 g-s running [14:08] jdstrand, can you get the /proc/$pid/environ for each (and same for the compiz process) [14:08] with both, the parent process is 'init --user' [14:08] jdstrand, just to see if they have the same bus [14:08] hum [14:08] so both started by upstart? wth :/ [14:09] when do we switch to systemd? ;-) [14:09] * seb128 hides [14:11] seb128: UPSTART_SESSION=unix:abstract=/com/ubuntu/upstart-session/1000/2579 [14:11] seb128: same for both [14:11] seb128, yeah, will be fun to have to compile all your job descriptions instead of having them in plain text :P [14:11] jdstrand, does "initctl --session list" has both pids? [14:11] jdstrand: do they both have the same DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS? [14:12] * mdeslaur doesn't understand how two can be started when there is code in them to specifically prevent that [14:12] I don't know how that is possible, but it seems like an upstart bug to me [14:13] seb128: "initctl --session list" lists neither pid [14:14] me neither [14:14] mdeslaur: re DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS> *no* [14:14] jdstrand: NO??? [14:14] so they are started by 'init --user' but not listed by initctl? [14:15] jdstrand: how many dbus-daemons are running? [14:15] $ cat /proc/3033/environ | tr '\0' '\n'|grep DBUS_SESSION [14:15] DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-ZUvIbevG83,guid=269ab2f67b14acf19089d23953308de7 [14:15] $ cat /proc/3657/environ | tr '\0' '\n'|grep DBUS_SESSION [14:15] DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-y9007CBDK2,guid=4a97bdd2ecc021bd3585368753308de8 [14:15] jdstrand, mdeslaur: not having the same DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS seems the only reasonable explanation at why the running instance detection doesn't work [14:15] jdstrand: there's your problem, you're getting a screensaver for each dbus, that makes perfect sense [14:15] screensaver is activated by dbus [14:16] we are back to bug #1271591 imho [14:16] Launchpad bug 1271591 in gnome-keyring (Ubuntu) "upstart job race prevents gnome-keyring from being ssh agent" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271591 [14:16] upstart/env issues [14:16] $ ps auxww | grep [i]nit [14:16] root 1 0.0 0.0 34688 3820 ? Ss Mar24 0:03 /sbin/init [14:16] lightdm 1760 0.0 0.0 35592 1328 ? S Mar24 0:00 init --user --startup-event indicator-services-start [14:16] jamie 2579 0.0 0.0 36880 2912 ? Ss Mar24 0:07 init --user [14:17] jdstrand: ps auxww | grep dbus-daemon [14:17] yeah, I see know one was for lightdm and the other for me [14:17] s/know/now/ [14:18] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7156914/ [14:18] so, system, accessibility, and two sessions started with different args [14:19] jdstrand: that's normal [14:19] jdstrand: so your /tmp/dbus-y9007CBDK2 dbus daemon is no longer there [14:19] clients should exit when the bus goes away no? [14:20] seb128: not necessarily [14:20] mdeslaur: how do you know that //bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session isn't /tmp/dbus-y9007CBDK2? [14:20] jdstrand, check the /proc/pid/environ? [14:21] seb128: it doesn't have anything for dbus in its environment [14:22] but that does have GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL [14:22] jdstrand: yeah, that's the one spawned by gnome-keyring [14:22] oh, both do [14:22] or maybe somethig else...I dunno, there is _supposed_ to be two in your session + the accessibility one [14:23] so, 2766 has DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-ZUvIbevG83. 2898 does not [14:24] and by 'does not' I mean 2898 doesn't have DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS in the env at all [14:24] jdstrand: so you had a /tmp/dbus-y9007CBDK2 at some point, which went away, and you have a hanging screensaver [14:24] that seems plausible [14:24] but how to prevent that? [14:25] jdstrand: do you have an extra file in /etc/X11/Xsession.d? [14:26] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7156950/ [14:27] wow...a lot of stuff in there that are supposed to be dead [14:27] consolekit? [14:28] is 75dbus_dbus-launch supposed to be there? [14:28] fwiw, this is mine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7156960/ [14:29] mdeslaur: you never see 2 screensavers? [14:29] nope [14:29] Anything which adds something to STARTUP, like 75dbus and 90consolekit, doesn't get used if you are using upstart user sessions [14:29] what's in 60seahorse*? [14:30] Laney: right, possibly something in there isn't using STARTUP and that results in spawning a session dbus [14:30] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7156969/ [14:33] jdstrand: hrm, try removing 90apparmor-notify and rebooting? [14:33] jdstrand, mdeslaur: does that happen in a consistant way on every login? [14:33] mdeslaur: thinking that notify-osd is the culprit? [14:34] jdstrand, mdeslaur: it might be useful to install bootchart and get a chart [14:34] seb128: no, not every time [14:34] jdstrand: yeah, perhaps notify-osd is getting triggered before dbus is up, which spawns it's own [14:34] those sometime give a clue about what process trigger what [14:34] jdstrand, you don't have it already installed by any chance? ;-) [14:35] bootchart? [14:36] no [14:36] I forget how to enable it [14:36] do you know otoh? [14:37] just install and reboot [14:37] it's enabled by default and log to /var/log/bootchart [14:37] well, install pybootchartgui [14:37] that's needed to get the images I think [14:40] jdstrand: apparmor-notify should go in /etc/xdg/autostart [14:42] mdeslaur: should I just move it there and see if it resolves my issues? [14:42] jdstrand: try removing 90apparmor-notify and restarting first [14:42] jdstrand: just to see if it's that [14:43] well, note, it doesn't happen on every boot [14:43] which is highly annoying [14:43] it's probably only happening when you have denials, as that's when notify-osd would spawn before dbus [14:43] I can trigger a denial [14:44] give me a few minutes [14:44] in any case, it shouldn't be there as it will definitely cause the problem if the conditions are right [14:45] but there may be more than one problem === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [14:51] jdstrand, mdeslaur: the bootchart might still be useful to confirm that [14:52] mdeslaur: you seem to be right. if I log out, make sure no screensavers are running, then login, only one is running. if I trigger a denial, apparmor-notify gives me a notification and another screensaver is started [14:52] jdstrand: yeah, so it needs a desktop file and needs to be moved to /etc/xdg/autostart [14:52] if I kill the new screensaver, then trigger another denial, then another screensaver starts [14:52] shrug [14:52] so apparmor-notify is on the wrong environment/bus [14:53] seb128: yes, because it's starting before the session bus, so notify-osd is spawning it's own bus [14:53] k [14:53] I knew it was the security team's fault! :p [14:53] mdeslaur, thanks for helping debugging! [14:55] this used to work. I wonder if it changed when we moved to upstart user sessions [14:55] seb128: yeah, for once it's our fault :) [14:55] jdstrand: yes, it used to work because dbus was spawned there [14:55] jdstrand: but isn't anymore [14:55] (it may never have been 'correct', but it didn't use to do this [14:55] ) [14:56] interesting [14:56] jdstrand, mdeslaur: I guess you are going to deal with the bug/reassign? [14:57] I will once I confirm the fix [14:57] thanks [14:58] seb128, mdeslaur: thanks for your help with this. it was highly annoying :) [14:59] jdstrand: I figure for every thousand times seb blames apparmor, there can be an actual bug once :) [14:59] heh [14:59] I would draw a line between apparmor and apparmor-notify :) [15:00] larsu: hey! [15:00] although seb128 seems to have moved to blaming upstart for everything now, so maybe we'll be ok for a while :) [15:00] mdeslaur, lol [15:00] Trevinho: hi [15:00] ;) [15:00] larsu: do you know what's causing some apps bg to be black (i..e dejadup) or transparent (gnome-tweak-tool)? [15:01] mdeslaur, I'm still annoyed on those gnome-keyring agent being unreliable, should I blame apparmor for it? ;-) [15:01] seb128: nice try :) [15:01] Trevinho: yes, a combination of backgrounds not being set and overlay-scrollbars [15:01] Trevinho: patches welcome *cough* [15:01] seb128: you haven't managed to get xnox to fix that yet? [15:01] mdeslaur, no :-( [15:01] Trevinho, I can't confirm for deja-dup, in what part of the UI? [15:02] ya, same here [15:02] larsu: ah.... I don't know what caused it but in previous version of themes it was working... [15:02] Trevinho: because we had a css rule "* { background-color: }" [15:02] Trevinho, see https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ubuntu-themes/dont-set-all-bgs/+merge/197234 for details [15:02] Trevinho: setting a bg for all widgets causes other problems. For example, it's very slow [15:03] seb128: http://people.ubuntu.com/~3v1n0/shots/Schermata%20da%202014-03-26%2016:02:31.png [15:03] Trevinho, urg, I can't confirm that one ... do you have a locally hacked theme? [15:03] Trevinho: so I removed that rule and added backgrounds for widgets which were broken due to overlay-scrollbar doing crazy stuff [15:03] oh, I can [15:03] when showing the details [15:04] "fun" [15:04] seb128: I have but I'm using the default one I think [15:05] I mean, I'm not using the local one now [15:05] at least, settings wise [15:05] seb128: yaeh, that's on detail [15:05] seb128: maybe because it loads overlay scrollbars in that case? [15:05] larsu: ^ [15:06] Trevinho: yep, it's very likely this is due to o-s [15:06] we've seen a lot of black bgs because of it [15:07] larsu, Trevinho: confirmed, it doesn't happen without those [15:08] bug #1295105 btw [15:08] Launchpad bug 1295105 in OEM Priority Project trusty "Wrong background color in "Back Up" window" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1295105 [15:08] seb128: feel free to assign me to that bug while I'll go curl up into a corner and cry for a while [15:08] larsu, :-( [15:08] seb128: btw dejadup is never able to finish a backup without errors here.... but that's another story :( [15:09] Trevinho, talk to mterry! [15:09] * mterry hides [15:09] Trevinho: something about not being able to back up some files? I think it backs up anyway except for the files it mentions [15:09] * larsu had that one today [15:09] mterry, don't hide, larsu is fixed your dejadup bugs! [15:09] * mterry hugs larsu [15:09] larsu: no, it stops doing the backup giving me some python errror... But I never checked it in details [15:09] wait, what?! [15:10] well, he said he would look at the theme issue [15:10] larsu, ^ [15:10] larsu, something for upstream/me? [15:10] it will be probably back in few time [15:10] mterry, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deja-dup/+bug/1295105 [15:10] Launchpad bug 1295105 in deja-dup (Ubuntu) "Wrong background color in "Back Up" window" [High,Confirmed] [15:10] mterry: nah, it's a theming issue [15:10] not sure if that's because it back ups on u1? [15:10] Trevinho: ah okay. I'm backing up to an external hd [15:10] mterry: ah, is there a way to blacklist a file, inside a folder? [15:11] Trevinho, bug #1295357? [15:11] Launchpad bug 1295357 in deja-dup (Ubuntu) "Backup to Ubuntu one failing code 502 upload will exceed quota" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1295357 [15:11] Trevinho, not one single file, no [15:11] mterry: ok, np... [15:11] seb128: mh, no... it's not that... I've lot of space there [15:11] seb128: once i get the log i'll be back with details [15:11] k [15:12] mdeslaur: nice! I moved it over to xdg, logged out, back in, it autostarted, I triggered a denial and only one gnome-screensaver :) [15:12] \o/ [15:12] seb128: ^ [15:13] * jdstrand triages and assigns bug to himself [15:13] jdstrand: cool! [15:13] jdstrand, mdeslaur: great, thanks [15:13] mdeslaur: so, I guess I've been seeing it a lot more lately since I've been profiling [15:13] jdstrand, don't forget to maintscript clean the conffile on upgrade [15:13] yeah [15:13] yeah [15:15] desrt, hey, did you see bts like that before, https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/f816c2a6a455ee7a2acd17284a395dee22bcc787 [15:19] yes [15:19] this is the typical 'getenv is not threadsafe, gettext calls getenv, we call gettext from threads' issue [15:19] morning desrt :) [15:19] hi :) [15:20] seb128: we generally try to solve this issue by making sure nobody ever calls setenv() [15:20] so likely the program that is crashing is calling setenv() somewhere -- it needs to stop doing that [15:20] desrt, there is only on thread though here and the call is coming from dconf? [15:21] seb128: the call causing the crash is happening from the dconf worker thread... [15:21] #25 0xb6e11134 in dconf_context_thread (data=0x83555b8) at dconfcontext.c:11 [15:21] Trevinho: I guess no screen off after the timeout in the screenlock is a known issue? [15:21] the main() thread is missing from the trace for some reason [15:21] didrocks: yeah [15:21] didrocks: I need to fix it asap [15:21] Trevinho: ok, I think you are already aware that the consequence it that you type your password, you see the screen, then it relocks… ;) [15:22] didrocks: yeah :) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [15:22] didrocks: it's like: "are you really sure that you're the right guy"? :D [15:22] ok, all good, leaving in your capable hands (just noticed that yesterday) [15:22] desrt, you are right, thanks [15:22] Trevinho: yeah, with just a short, quick preview! [15:23] seb128: there are some setenv calls here [15:23] in g-k-d [15:23] right [15:23] desrt, want to open a bug upstream for us maybe? [15:23] but seem to be mostly in tests, though [15:24] desrt, daemon/control/gkd-control-server.c: g_setenv (*e, x, FALSE); [15:24] daemon/ssh-agent/gkd-ssh-agent.c: g_setenv ("SSH_AUTH_SOCK", socket_path, TRUE); [15:25] daemon/gpg-agent/gkd-gpg-agent.c: g_setenv ("GPG_AGENT_INFO", agent_info, TRUE); === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:25] seb128: looks like you have an old version [15:25] desrt, that's 3.10.1 [15:25] these calls are gone in the latest version [15:25] desrt, hum? [15:25] desrt, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-keyring/tree/daemon/control/gkd-control-server.c#n152 [15:26] desrt, they seem to still be there in trunk to me? [15:27] ah.. so you're right. [15:27] i didn't catch them because of the subdir [15:38] didrocks: hello [15:40] trem, hey again [15:40] seb128: \o/ [15:40] trem, still not wanting to listen to my recommendation from the other day? ;-) [15:40] seb128: ask on the chan ? [15:40] yes [15:41] seb128: sorry, I still prefer to avoid it, because it's not a "public" question [15:41] trem, stop using the channel then, /query and ask it [15:42] seb128: just want to say "hello" on the chan before a query [15:42] k [15:42] hey then ;-) [15:46] hey trem === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch [16:14] anyone using evolution here? As it seems that all the times I try to save attachments it hangs :o [16:15] and.... also file-roller does the same when i try to extract from a zip :/ [16:16] well, not only zips... any archive [16:18] Trevinho, gio issue? get a bt? [16:18] seb128: yeah it looks like that... I've to get it [16:35] seb128: I was just about to connect to the processes and n ow... no more hanging... :( [16:35] but it happened both yestedaay and today (after a reboot) [16:35] :-( [16:36] k, maybe next time you manage to get a bt [16:36] seb128: I hope no.. .I mean I don't want my apps to freeze :D [16:55] seb128, hi :), did you upload libreoffice 4.2.3~rc2 already? [16:56] ricotz: it's in the queue, see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue?queue_state=1 [16:57] Laney, ah, thanks [16:58] Laney, syncing libosinfo would be nice too [16:59] ricotz, what Laney said, was there an issue with it? [16:59] ricotz: dunno what it is, please requestsync [16:59] seb128, no issue, i just need to have the sources published to avoid a full-source upload for the backports [17:00] Laney, it is used by e.g. gnome-boxes and debian contains a newer release with fixes [17:01] looking forward to the bug report then ;-) === jasoncwarner___ is now known as jasoncwarner === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [17:57] cyphermox, mterry: If Ubuntu connected to a Wi-Fi network at the login screen, and that’s the same network that you use in your session, would it still have to disconnect and reconnect when you logged in? [17:57] mpt, no, connections are managed by a system daemon [17:58] Oh, of course, otherwise Remote Login would fail immediately after you logged in [17:58] thanks mterry :) [18:01] Hm, I guess that means you can’t disconnect from the current Internet connection while you are logged in remotely [18:01] Or at least, shouldn’t [18:02] mpt, :) probs not -- maybe we were smart and disallowed permission to do so when in such a session? [18:03] but I bet not [18:03] I have no way of testing that, that I know of [18:10] Laney, thanks for updating that 2 year old patch for adding a position property :) [18:11] mterry: I don't think it needed any being smart, as a guest user you may not have permission to do so in the first place [18:11] as for remote sessions, if there is a local user with sufficient permissions then yes they can disconnect you [18:12] cyphermox, I think you need admin privileges to create new connections, but I *thought* guests could switch to connections that have been used before. Not sure === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [21:15] mterry: I saw it was linked to a bug that's tagged to be fixed for trusty :P [21:15] thought it was worth a go [21:16] Laney, maybe in two more years it'll be fixed [21:16] well, we have some people in the team who could maybe look at it if necessary [21:24] hmm, so Edubuntu beta 2 gets me a black wallpaper rather than our usual one, any idea what's going on? [21:24] (under uniyt) [21:24] *unity [21:25] we didn't change our artwork package since december so it seems like something desktopy changed [21:27] hmm, not your fault apparently :) [21:27] the wallpaper is 0 byte large in that image... [21:40] Oops