[05:14] <shauno> morning is overrated :/
[05:30] <diddledan> shauno: so is sleep
[05:30] <diddledan> shauno: I've been on US netflix because IPv6 ftw
[05:30] <diddledan> just discovered "chuck"
[05:32] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: US netflix because ipv6?
[05:32] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: oh you're using a US broker?
[05:32] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: they don't know that IPv6 may be globally distributed
[05:35] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: I have ipv6, but I get Dutch netflix
[05:36] <diddledan> hmm
[05:36] <diddledan> odd
[05:36] <MartijnVdS> I have native v6 from my ISP though
[05:36] <diddledan> I'm definitely on US netflix and the only reason I can put it down to is that I've got IPv6
[05:36] <diddledan> but yes it's ipv6 from tunnelbroker.net but using the london exchange
[05:36] <MartijnVdS> I've heard it's a DNS thing. So if you're using nameservers over IPv6, which has an endpoint in the US, you'll get the US netflix servers
[05:37] <MartijnVdS> maybe the geoip of your net is in the US, and it's luck
[05:39] <mapp> hello
[05:40] <mapp> shauno do you ever sleep!! and diddledan you two are always around
[05:40] <mapp> and diddledan chuck is cool and Sarah is SO HOT
[05:40] <diddledan> mapp: yeah, I'm in love with sarah now
[05:41] <mapp> shes in dexter too and in the new 24
[05:41] <mapp> she's stunning
[06:36] <jussi> morning ladles and gentlespoons
[06:37] <mapp> morning jussi
[06:38] <jussi> morning mapp
[06:55] <diddledan> do we know each other well enough for gentle spooning?
[06:56] <MooDoo> hello all
[06:59] <jussi> diddledan: does it even matter? :P
[07:02] <diddledan> well if the offer's there I won't complain; I'll just have to suffer through it
[07:22] <foobarry> http://exposingthetruth.today/guy-took-two-lighters-apart-seems-impossible-whoa.html
[07:22] <shauno> fwiw, netflix doesn't use geoip.  it does do funky stuff with dns, but the client IP disnae matter
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> shauno: no, but their DNS server gives different answers based on source IP or something
[07:23] <shauno> right.  where they think your dns server is matters more than where they think you are
[07:25] <shauno> which is quite annoying if you're using google's dns servers :(  because they're anycasted, you have very little control over which/where you'll actually connect to.  so my netflix "flaps" between netflix-ireland and netflix-UK based on what I assume to be wind direction
[07:28] <MartijnVdS> shauno: not the phase of the moon? ;)
[07:28] <shauno> I Wish.  it's way worse than that
[07:29] <shauno> eg, sit down and watch a TV show.  then the next episode.  then when you try to load the third, you're told that series never existed.  these aren't the droids you're looking for.
[07:29] <MartijnVdS> heh
[07:30] <shauno> but here, it's either that, or my ISP's narcoleptic dns servers.  so the third episode would instead be "internet? what internet"
[07:31] <MartijnVdS> shauno: what kind of ISP is that?
[07:31] <MartijnVdS> also you could set up your own recursive dns server if you wanted..
[07:31] <jussi> foobarry: I really hate those "sensationalist" titles - but nice story in anycase
[07:32] <shauno> lol, UPC.  I think they're dutch?
[07:33] <MartijnVdS> shauno: they're multinational
[07:33] <MartijnVdS> shauno: but from what I've seen their DNS is ok
[07:33] <diddledan> had to be the bloody dutch
[07:34] <MartijnVdS> UPC and Ziggo are the worst ISPs in the country.. speeds are fine, but cable internet.. *shudder*
[07:34] <MartijnVdS> no static IPs, locked down routers/modems, etc.
[07:34] <MartijnVdS> Can't get internet without also getting TV and phone service from them
[07:35] <shauno> they're about the only sensible offer here
[07:35] <foobarry> jussi: yeah^2
[07:35] <shauno> (and the router/modem is very easily hacked  heh)
[07:35] <MartijnVdS> shauno: that's the problem -- for most people they're the only option to get >10mbit
[07:36] <MartijnVdS> shauno: good thing I live in an area where fibre was rolled out as well :)
[07:36] <MartijnVdS> Media converter, PPPoE, BOOM internet :)
[07:36] <shauno> right.  here, I have the option of 3mbit, 120mbit, or DSL
[07:36] <MartijnVdS> shauno: I have the option of 10 mbit DSL, 100/100 fibre or 100/20 cable
[07:37] <MartijnVdS> (or 50/10 cable or something)
[07:38] <shauno> but the router/modem gizmo - the option to stick it into passthrough / modem-only mode is commented out in the html.  so thanks to webkit/chrome/etc being quite happy to edit the page on-the-fly, it's an easy fix
[07:38] <shauno> delete the comment, tick the box, hit apply :)
[07:38] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Cisco 3925 or something?
[07:39] <shauno> it's a (linksys-)cisco something, yeah.  couldn't tell you the model without going home
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> I'd like to know if it's the same model as they're using here :)
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> because I know 2 places with those modems that I REALLY want to be in Bridge mode :)
[07:45] <shauno> it looks like it should be epc3925, but I'll check when I get home
[07:45] <knightwise> morning
[07:46] <MartijnVdS> shauno: forum posts about editing the HTML exist.. will try that, thanks :)
[07:46] <shauno> the other fun thing I found is that when you stick it in bridge mode, upc will happily assign public IPs to each device you plug into the 4 enet ports on the back :)
[07:46] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[07:49] <shauno> well I hope it works for you.  once you find where they've 'disabled' features, it's embarassingly easy
[07:53] <knightwise> morning everyone :)
[07:54] <knightwise> Hey MartijnVdS shauno !
[08:07] <shauno> morning
[08:08] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:23] <jussi> popey: I know you love reading about 3D printer wins, so here you are: http://www.policymic.com/articles/83177/in-an-amazing-surgical-procedure-3d-printing-a-child-s-heart-saves-his-life
[08:23] <jussi> :D
[08:36] <popey> heh
[08:36] <popey> do i?
[08:42] <jussi> popey:  it certainly appears so from this side of the channel...
[08:51] <diplo> Morning all
[08:51] <jussi> diplo: morning
[09:02] <bashrc> morning
[09:07] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Purple Day! :-D
[09:08] <jussi> JamesTait: to you also :D
[09:08] <jussi> its a wonderful day here, sunshine, blue sky
[09:09] <diplo> Grey and misty here today :/
[09:09] <jussi> one of those days where you want to put good music on loud and dance. or get out and go for a walk in the bush. or just call in sick and go enjoy it.
[09:10] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:15] <jussi> morning brobostigon
[09:15] <jussi> as you all might have notice, Im feeling happy and positive :D
[09:16] <brobostigon> morning jussi
[09:16] <jussi> Its a good day!
[09:17] <JamesTait> It's a bit hazy and quite chilly here this morning, but it's still a good day. :)
[09:18] <jussi> https://plus.google.com/105591405032610694021/posts/Jm7uWRd2vfY
[09:20] <foobarry> is it possible to get a hot/stuck pixel on a brand new laptop because the delivery guy dumped them off his trolley onto the floor?
[09:24] <jussi> have I mentioned yet how much I hate flash ?
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> jussi: several times.
[09:25] <jussi> MartijnVdS: although I think theres a bug with this PC somewhere - its not _that_ old, and doesnt do full screen flash
[09:25] <jussi> Thank god for HTML5 youtube
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> jussi: what kind of graphics chip does it have?
[09:26] <jussi> MartijnVdS: Nvidia
[09:26] <jussi> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G98M [Quadro NVS 160M] (rev a1)
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> jussi: free or non-free drivers?
[09:26] <jussi> non free
[09:27] <jussi> graphic performance isnt absolutely fantastic either so I suspect something related to that
[09:28] <jussi> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     P8700  @ 2.53GHz - not the newest machine around, but ok
[09:34] <dwatkins> jussi: what Flash version is installed?
[09:35] <dwatkins> also, does the hardware acceleration option make a difference (in the right-click menu)?
[09:39] <foobarry> got a new work laptop \o/
[09:41] <jussi> dwatkins: its using HW acceleration already and still jumpy
[09:41] <foobarry> Latitude E7440
[09:41] <dwatkins> jussi: I had similar issues a while back, turned off HW acceleration and it worked better.
[09:42] <jussi> dwatkins: sadly that is worse if anything
[09:43] <foobarry> how do i install windows if there is no dvd drive? windows doesn't install off usb afaik
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> USB DVD drive
[09:44] <jussi> foobarry: it does install from usb now adays
[09:44] <foobarry> jussi: really? how do i prep the usb stick?
[09:44] <foobarry> this is for windows 7
[09:44] <dwatkins> foobarry: I've installed Windows 7 from a USB drive, check out YUMI.
[09:45] <jussi> foobarry: sec, Ive instructions
[09:45] <foobarry> http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/html/pbPage.Help_Win7_usbdvd_dwnTool
[09:46] <jussi> foobarry: that, or http://paste.ubuntu.com/7155791/
[09:46] <foobarry> the MS link was garbage
[09:47] <foobarry> thanks
[10:26] <jussi> yay for aussie/english style sausages!
[10:26] <jussi> (home made of course)
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> Ausages!
[10:35] <jussi> not overly pretty, but taste good: http://jussi01.com/upload/uploads/20140326-103420-20140326_123422.jpg
[10:46] <popey> dammit I want sausages now
[10:46] <jussi> :D
[10:46] <jussi> popey: off you go to the shop
[10:46] <popey> s/shop/kitchen/
[10:47] <jussi> popey: actually, you know what, just go get a sausage and bacon sandwich... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[10:47] <popey> mmm bacon
[10:47] <jussi> :D
[10:47] <jussi> yay, I inspired someone with food that I made! :D
[10:48] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:48] <jussi> afternoon bigcalm
[10:57] <bigcalm> What's happening jussi?
[10:57] <dwatkins> ...and now I'm hungry
[10:58] <jussi> bigcalm: work work work, and do not shirk :D
[10:59] <bigcalm> Boo
[10:59] <bigcalm> I'm having a joyous time with unit tests
[10:59] <bigcalm> I may not be telling the truth
[11:00] <MartijnVdS> \o/ unit tests
[11:00] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: if you write your code in the right way, tests are *easy*
[11:00] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: yeah, about that :)
[11:06] <davmor2> bigcalm: but unittest are easy does x do y yes pass :)
[11:07] <bigcalm> Yes, testing is easy. It's annoying that testing shows errors in code requiring fixes :)
[11:07] <bigcalm> TDD
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> but after that, you'll never have to worry again
[11:08] <foobarry> windows touchpad driver. 60MB
[11:11] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: wow, that's almost as much as a printer drivr
[11:11] <MartijnVdS> +e
[11:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeah so TDD you start with the test that is meant to fail, then you write the code to fix the test then everything is good :P
[11:13] <bashrc> supposedly yes
[11:14] <bashrc> I usually write the code and then write tests for hte major parts of it to check that it does what I think it's supposed to be doing
[11:16] <diplo> See if you guys have any suggestions on this for me. We're a small development company but we also do emails etc for all our customers (( about 80-90 ) currently we do this via a small mini itx system running SME Server ( rubbish don't ask! ) and my boss doesn't want to support them anymore
[11:16] <bigcalm> Off load to gmail
[11:16] <diplo> Looking at ways of moving away from them, my suggestions so far have been we have one centralised email server to host all customer emails or using an external sercvice as a reseller
[11:16] <diplo> Can anyone recommend anything
[11:17] <diplo> Google Business thing bigcalm ?
[11:18] <BigRedS> I'm trying to work out the peak memory usage of a process, is there a tool for doing that?
[11:18] <diplo> I know there are companies out there that offer email services, just wondering if anyone can recommend anything
[11:18] <BigRedS> I'm envisaging something like time, but for memory
[11:19] <diplo> BigRedS: use something like rrd tools with monit etc?
[11:19] <BigRedS> it's too short to rely on something that polls /proc or whatever I think
[11:19] <bigcalm> munin - log ALL the things! http://banana.cuth.eu/munin/cuth.eu/banana.cuth.eu/index.html
[11:20] <bashrc> diplo: it's relatively straightforward to set up an email server with mailing lists and so on
[11:20] <BigRedS> though apparenly 'memusg' is a thing
[11:21] <diplo> bashrc: yeah I know, but I guess I'll need some sort of redundancy as well as instead of having 70+ boxes
[11:21] <diplo> it'll all be hosted on one machine, so have any issues and all customers are affected instead of one
[11:28] <BigRedS> diplo: it's normal to have one mailserver and one backupmx that just accepts mail for all the domains on the former and stores it until it comes back
[11:29] <BigRedS> it's fairly easy to get postfix to do that, for example. load-balanced mailservers are far rarer than webservers
[11:30] <diplo> OK, what about spam etc, how do others deal with that ? Do you use your own spamassasin boxes or outsource it to companies like messagelabs ?
[11:30] <BigRedS> We have a pair of spam filter appliances that we pay for someone else to develop/maintain
[11:30] <BigRedS> but we have a few hundred mail domains
[11:31] <BigRedS> historically spamd on each mailserver, but spam's such a boring problem I'd generally advise people to outsource it
[11:31] <diplo> Yeah that's the point I was trying to get across to my boss, it's quite high maintenance from what I had before
[11:31] <diplo> I was spending forever writing new rules all the time
[11:32] <BigRedS> mail in general is fragile, has delayed-response to fixes, utterly boring and absolutely depended upon. If offering it isn't the core of your business it's normally best to get someone else to run it
[11:35] <diplo> yeah, that's how I feel BigRedS. The guys in my office aren't that techy, they can fix what they can fix but they can't trace issues etc and I'm not sure I want to be the admin of all this
[11:35] <diplo> :)
[11:39] <dwatkins> we outsource to postini
[11:39] <dwatkins> for spam filtering, that is
[11:40] <diplo> Ah, I was trying to remember there name!
[11:40] <diplo> ta
[11:40] <dwatkins> they're generally pretty good - I get a notification if someone's sent me an attachment it doesn't like the smell of, and a summary each night.
[11:40] <dwatkins> Sometimes a mail will fail to arrive and I don't know about it, that's the only trouble, but you can whitelist senders such as list servers.
[11:40] <diplo> And you jus thost your own mailserver ?
[11:40] <jussi> diplo: their ;)
[11:41] <diplo> :D
[11:41] <diplo> Typing quickly I suck sometimes :/
[11:41] <dwatkins> yeah, postini is on our MX record, and it forwards to our office365 server, I assume.
[11:41] <dwatkins> outsourcing all th things...
[11:43] <diplo> I either want to do our sysadmin full time or basically not be involved.. I think the latter will be the end result
[11:43] <dwatkins> I enjoyed being sysadmin for a small company, not sure I'd want to do it for a larger organisation, as there would be a lot of "sorry, not my remit, please log a case with the IT team"
[11:46] <diplo> Yeah I've never been in that size of company. The last place was around 800 users and about 60 servers with 2 of us doing most of the work, hosting everything locally until we outsourced spam to messagelabs
[11:47] <diplo> This company is only 17 ish people and about 80-90 customers, most of which are small and have some sort of mail setup with us
[12:05] <jussi> I think some of you might enjoy this: http://www.businessinsider.com/communication-charts-around-the-world-2014-3
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> jussi: Finnish -> perkele?
[12:08] <jussi> MartijnVdS: stop just shouting out whatever swear words you know :P
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> jussi: well, it's "business insider" and I know there's a term for the "Finnish" style of management,
[12:12] <jussi> heh
[12:21] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvidoBBJSRA the Finns
[12:21] <SuperMatt> hey guys
[12:23] <foobarry> hello
[12:25] <popey> yo
[12:25] <MartijnVdS> nn
[12:25] <MartijnVdS> gah wrong window
[12:28] <SuperMatt> I'm being a broken record today, but has anyone mentioned the release party yet?
[12:28] <SuperMatt> we're only a month away now
[12:29] <popey> i dont think so
[12:29] <SuperMatt> wait... we're like 2 weeks away!
[12:29] <SuperMatt> 3 weeks even, I misread
[12:30] <foobarry> agh unetbootin not recognising usb drives
[12:30] <SuperMatt> anyone got any pub suggestions?
[12:32] <jussi> popey: hehe, yeah, bit like that :P
[13:15] <mapp> afternoon
[13:45]  * bigcalm grumbles at popey
[13:45] <popey> what?
[13:46] <bigcalm> I'm still stuck on slow 60mb
[13:46] <popey> haha
[13:46] <popey> mine was automagically updated
[13:46] <popey> i did nothing
[13:46] <bigcalm> You lived in the right location, damn you!
[13:46] <popey> internet went down at 00:30 last night while I was watching a film on netflix.. i thought "meh" and went to sleep
[13:46] <popey> woke up with 100Mb ☻
[13:47] <bigcalm> Nice
[13:48] <dwatkins> hooray
[13:48] <dwatkins> (unless that's 100 MB of your 100 MB cap used up)
[13:48] <popey> http://www.speedtest.net/result/3396945987.png
[14:02] <mapp> im stuck on 6mbit ;(
[14:06] <mapp> faster than 83% of tyhe uk!
[14:07] <mapp> popey is that is :)
[14:14] <bashrc> oh, we dreamed of getting 6mbit
[14:23] <davmor2> popey: ah that was your twitter messages with @virginmedia then :)
[14:23] <popey> yeah
[14:24] <davmor2> mapp: popey is no way faster than 83% of the uk, have you ever seen popey run?
[14:24] <popey> true
[14:31] <mapp> crazy £600,000 on one race at Lingfield the sheer volumesof moneys disgusting
[14:34] <davmor2> mapp: but that could be 600,000 people betting a pound in the hope that they get 20 :)
[14:35] <mapp> Perhaps but seems unlikely..betfaor would crash with that
[14:35] <mapp> and its 2 quid minimum:P
[14:35] <mapp> heh
[14:38] <davmor2> mapp: okay 300,000 going for forty quid :P
[14:38] <davmor2> popey: not had my upgrade yet  http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3397146775
[14:39] <mapp> and the tennis you get like 7million on the big ATP matches
[14:39] <mapp> djokovic v murray will be millions later
[14:47] <mapp> anyway i should probably try and fix my problem rather than wasting time
[14:47] <mapp> how cna i get rid of zentayl? its taken over my apache;/ but apt-get found nothing..cant remember how i instaled it
[14:53] <diplo> I guess it's a extra repo in /etc/apt ?
[14:53] <mapp> ahh yes
[14:53] <mapp> i think i did that
[14:54] <mapp> wouldnt that show when i do apt-get remove
[14:54] <mapp> wouldnt it find the package?
[14:54] <diplo> Well from when I remember looking at Zentyal it uses default packages but controls them differently
[14:54] <mapp> i had apache working fine installed zentyal and now its running but apache isnt..
[14:55] <mapp> hmm not sure how to remove it then:)
[14:55] <diplo> It used to be called ebox, not sure of what it's called now
[14:55] <diplo> dpkg --list | grep -i zenty
[14:55] <diplo> ?
[14:55] <mapp> i just want apache back to how it was..I did chose a different port for zentyal too not sure why its using ssl (443?) and
[14:55] <mapp> so its using https right but my apache doesnt work on non https anymoe either?
[14:56] <diplo> Have you checked your logs to see if there are errors like port conflicts etc
[14:56] <mapp> err thats odd
[14:56] <diplo> So if Zentyal is running somethin gon port 80 and your apache is starting on 80 it wont
[14:56] <mapp> it even says httpd is running..so why would httpd apache not work on 8080 when zentyl is only using https?
[14:57] <mapp> its not though..its only using https nothing happens on 80/8080
[14:57] <diplo> iptables on ?
[14:57] <mapp> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7157105/
[14:57] <mapp> nope
[14:58] <mapp> its def zentyal was all working fine before so i figure il remove it and start again - although as i say if its only working on https:// i dont see why it screws up non https
[14:58] <mapp> https://frogs.zapto.org/
[14:58] <diplo> Could be listening on there to redirect or something
[14:58] <mapp> yea7
[14:58] <mapp> but
[14:58] <diplo> hah, I have a zapto.org one as well
[14:58] <mapp> http://frogs.zapto.org/ has NOTHING
[14:58] <mapp> doesnt even redir
[14:59] <mapp> setup the noip2 linux client too incase my ip changes
[14:59] <diplo> Just nmapping that host a mo
[14:59] <diplo> 80/tcp   closed http
[14:59] <mapp> hmm
[14:59] <diplo> iptables -L ?
[14:59] <mapp> sec
[15:00] <diplo> Or are you using ufw ?
[15:00] <mapp> nop
[15:00] <mapp> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7157123/
[15:00] <mapp> just fail2ban , had that setup for ages and all worked and nothing there
[15:02] <mapp> maybe if i remove zentyal-core/comon?
[15:03] <diplo> Could be, but something is stopping port 80
[15:03] <mapp> ok lets see
[15:04] <mapp> fixed
[15:04] <mapp> :D
[15:04] <mapp> removed zentyal-core/common and restarted httpd
[15:04] <mapp> http://frogs.zapto.org/
[15:10] <diplo> hah, like the message
[15:12] <foobarry> i appear to have been given a pc that doesn't have drivers for ethernet or wifi
[15:13] <foobarry> on linux
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> maybe it just needs the firmware package and you don't have it?
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> can you lspci?
[15:14] <foobarry> yes
[15:14] <foobarry> 00:19.0 ethernet controller intel copr device 155a (rev 04)
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> you'd think that was supported.. Intel LAN usually is
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> maybe your kernel is just too old to have the proper driver
[15:15] <foobarry> yeah
[15:15] <foobarry> can't update without wifi or eth
[15:16] <bigcalm> Add a CD source?
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> or just download the .deb onto a USB stick and dpkg
[15:16] <bigcalm> Aye, that one would be simpler
[15:16] <foobarry> noicd drive
[15:17] <foobarry> i need dkms
[15:17] <MartijnVdS> usb stick?
[15:17] <foobarry> does dkms have deps
[15:17] <MartijnVdS> yes it needs a compiler, among some other things
[15:17] <bigcalm> foobarry: 'cd' is just generic term for external physical media
[15:17] <foobarry> ihave gcc
[15:17] <MartijnVdS> you need the new kernel .deb and reboot. Done.
[15:18] <mapp> what spec foobarry
[15:18] <foobarry> cpu etc?
[15:18] <foobarry> the model is e7440
[15:18] <mapp> ya
[15:18] <foobarry> dell
[15:20] <foobarry> how do i download with apt-get without install?
[15:20] <foobarry> to get the new lts kernel
[15:25] <popey> I'd wget it
[15:25] <popey> from the kernel ppa
[15:25] <foobarry> linux-image-generic-lts-saucy?
[15:25] <popey> stick it on a usb and dpkg -i it
[15:25] <foobarry> if i can find the right version i'll try that.
[15:26] <popey> what version of ubuntu is on it?
[15:26] <foobarry> 12.04.
[15:27] <popey> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.13.7-trusty/
[15:27] <popey> grab the right bits from there, i386 or amd64
[15:27] <popey> and headers, so should need 3 packages, then dpkg -i *.deb
[15:27] <foobarry> great, thanks
[15:27] <foobarry> have a feeling this will fix the lack of drivers
[15:28] <foobarry> trusty kernels ok to install on 12.04?
[15:28] <popey> should be fine
[15:29] <popey> as a means to bootstrap yourself up to having working kernel
[15:29] <popey> s/kernel/network/
[15:37] <foobarry> didn't work :(
[15:39] <popey> define "work"
[15:39] <popey> did it install?
[16:07] <bigcalm> Anybody used "blink" SIP client?
[16:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: no
[16:09] <neuro> aaaaagh
[16:10] <dwatkins> no, but I can give it a try at home later on
[16:10] <neuro> ubuntuuuuu *shakes fist*
[16:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: and erm Don't Blink ;)
[16:10] <neuro> stupid bloomin' "oh hey let's remove the cacert CA pem, you know, for giggles"
[16:11]  * neuro pictures canonical employees sitting around a desk somewhere, giggling like schoolkids
[16:11] <neuro> tee hee hee hee
[16:12] <davmor2> neuro: no that was popey wondering if he could bring you to tears honest
[16:20] <foobarry> popey: sorry was rushing to meeting.
[16:21] <foobarry> eth0 works, no wifi yet. unfortuantely networks team haven't done my dhcp yet so i can't proceed until they sort it
[16:21] <popey> bigcalm: whats wrong with ekiga?
[16:22] <bigcalm> popey: looking at different clients :)
[16:22] <foobarry> gonna reboot with wifi switch enabled
[16:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: I gave you a nice list yesterday :P
[16:25] <foobarry> nah, still no wifi worky...weird
[16:26] <davmor2> foobarry: it is turned on right?
[16:26] <bigcalm> davmor2: which you have used yourself?
[16:26] <foobarry> davmor2: i believe so
[16:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: I've used the ones I highlighted when empathy broke calls and the dialer so I couldn't get into the conf call so used the others till it got fixed.  IIRC SLFPhone was the nicest however it caused some echo feedback.  You might want to look at https://jitsi.org/ too
[16:30] <bigcalm> jitsi was last touched in 2005 when I looked at their website
[16:30] <bigcalm> Humm
[16:30] <bigcalm> I must have been looking at something else
[16:30] <bigcalm> Anyway. Just looking around at different options :)
[16:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: https://download.jitsi.org/jitsi/nightly/debian/
[16:31] <diplo> Jitsi got the best review in a LXF recently
[16:31] <diplo> not tried it myself yet
[16:31] <davmor2> bigcalm: jitsi has been recommended as a skype replacement all over the place
[16:31] <bigcalm> Okay, I might look at the weekend :)
[16:44] <foobarry> hey, got my wifi working http://askubuntu.com/questions/322511/no-wireless-with-intel-centrino-advanced-n-7260
[16:45] <foobarry> needed the firmware
[16:45] <foobarry> in /lib/firmware
[16:45] <popey> of course.
[16:45] <foobarry> this is like the old days
[16:45] <foobarry> all over again
[16:45] <davmor2> foobarry: did you not have a look at additional devices ;)
[16:46] <foobarry> was not an option
[16:46] <foobarry> i had to copy a ucode file into /lib/firmware manually
[16:46] <directhex> foobarry, linux-firmware 1.10, in precise-updates, contains iwlwifi-7260-7.ucode
[16:46] <foobarry> ok, thanks
[16:47] <foobarry> i had no wired or wireless..
[16:47] <foobarry> "linux firmware is already the newest version"
[16:47] <foobarry> ah, in precise updates
[16:47] <foobarry> i have 1.79.6
[16:48] <directhex> gah, sorry, not nonfree
[16:48] <foobarry> intel are evil now?
[16:48] <directhex> 1.79.10 then i think
[16:49] <popey> maybe you needed new linux-firmware given you're on a newer kernel
[16:49] <popey> from the future
[16:49] <popey> 1.126 here
[16:49]  * foobarry needs a lie down
[16:52]  * dwatkins needs a shut down
[16:53] <directhex> point is, every ubuntu version can work with it, given an appropriate kernel package and firmware package
[16:53] <foobarry> and manual tinkering
[16:53] <foobarry> :D
[16:53] <directhex> no manual tinkering
[16:54] <foobarry> well yes, since i had to copy the working kernel and firmware via usb
[16:54] <foobarry> since the ethernet onboard doesn't work OOTB either
[16:54] <popey> what ethernet is it onboard?
[16:54] <popey> lshw -C network
[16:54] <popey> lshw -C network | grep product
[16:55] <foobarry> intel corporation
[16:55] <foobarry> 00:19.0
[16:55] <foobarry> works in the kernel from the future, which is fair enough
[16:55] <popey> thats the physical ID, surely
[16:55] <popey> not the device type
[16:55] <foobarry> since 12.04 precedes the laptop birth
[16:55] <foobarry> product = Intel Corporation
[16:55] <popey> how was it installed?
[16:55] <foobarry> usb
[16:56] <popey> lsb_release -a
[16:56] <popey> what does that say?
[16:56] <popey> for Release
[16:56] <foobarry> elementary OS :D
[16:56] <popey> jeez
[16:56] <foobarry> but its pronounced ubuntu
[16:57] <popey> should have said that at the start
[16:57] <foobarry> oh sorry, whats the diff?
[16:57] <foobarry> 12.04.x instalelr has loads of new gubbins?
[16:57] <popey> yes
[16:57] <popey> thats the point of point releases
[16:57] <popey> if you get my point
[16:57] <foobarry> point taken
[16:57] <popey> it has newer kernel baked in for exactly this issue
[16:58]  * foobarry apologises and thanks everyone for the help
[16:58] <popey> well, its working now which is yay
[17:05] <foobarry> 768 pixels...they didn't buy me the 1080p one :(
[17:07]  * directhex can't shake the feeling foobarry installed the same or similar dell today
[17:07] <foobarry> as you?
[17:08] <directhex> yeah
[17:08] <foobarry> e7440
[17:08] <directhex> yeah
[17:08] <directhex> ubuntu certified for 12.04.2 and above
[17:09] <foobarry> gotta go home now , but if you discover anything useful please pm :D
[17:29] <daftykins> i've just had a really nasty issue at a clients i couldn't work out for the life of me
[17:30] <daftykins> Firefox and Chrome using the HTML5 video player on youtube worked fine
[17:30] <daftykins> but flash across firefox and internet explorer wouldn't work at all =|
[17:30] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/d1ecavpa7du2yfx/VID_20140326_145009.mp4
[17:30] <daftykins> there's one vid
[17:30] <daftykins> and another showing that the ads play fine, then the videos fail!? https://www.dropbox.com/s/oyhkvhiyaxkjud4/VID_20140326_155518.mp4
[17:31] <daftykins> tried different user accounts, different browser profiles, clean installs of browsers, clean installs of flash player
[17:31] <daftykins> all no-go
[17:44] <bigcalm> davmor2: good news and bad news
[17:44] <bigcalm> davmor2: good news is that my car is fixed
[17:44] <bigcalm> davmor2: bad news is it cost £220
[17:48] <bigcalm> Daviey: joining us for the RAT this year?
[17:49] <bigcalm> Wonder how many peeps we can fit in one booth
[17:57] <mapp> hmm
[17:57] <mapp> strongbow citrus
[17:58] <mapp> never seen that before.picked up 8 cans at sainsburys
[18:00] <mapp> maybe id be enjoying camptain america more if id drunk them by now..pretty boring imo
[18:02] <Daviey> bigcalm... eeek. not bought ticket yet
[18:02] <Daviey> plan to
[18:03] <mapp> ah RAT i was thinking abut that
[18:03] <mapp> its ages away anyway?
[18:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: 220 isn't that bad
[18:23] <bigcalm> !rat | Daviey
[18:23]  * bigcalm heads off to the M6 for Goldfrapp at the Symfony Hall
[18:23] <Daviey> bigcalm, i know what it is numnuts.
[18:24] <bigcalm> Link for you :P
[18:24] <bigcalm> *gone*
[18:25] <Daviey> ah fanks
[18:57]  * directhex hits a popey bug
[18:58] <popey> uhoh
[18:59] <davmor2> directhex: don't hit popey 's bug they take enough punishment from us
[18:59] <directhex> chrome no worky in guest session
[19:00] <popey> ah that classic
[19:00]  * popey sits back with a pipe
[19:01] <directhex> on trusty this time
[19:01] <popey> still broken?
[19:02]  * popey tests
[19:02] <davmor2> I remember when I were lad and chrome did na work in guest session
[19:02] <popey> ok, chromium works, chrome doesnt
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[19:03] <popey> directhex: got a bug number?
[19:03] <directhex> 577919
[19:03] <directhex> chromium works, chrome doesn't?!?
[19:04] <popey> yes
[19:04] <popey> for me
[19:04] <popey> (on trusty)
[19:04] <directhex> oh. it's fixed by /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/lightdm_chromium-browser but that hardcodes chromium
[19:04] <directhex> nggggggggggggggggg
[19:04] <popey> well that sucks
[19:04] <popey> bug 577919
[19:04] <directhex> i'll just handwrite an abstraction for chrome & pop it in place
[19:04] <popey> ok
[19:05] <popey> will file a bug and get it sorted, thanks for letting me know
[19:08] <directhex> will go test
[19:13] <popey> directhex: bug 1298021 fyi
[19:39] <smittix> Evening all
[19:44] <popey> hey
[19:46] <smittix> popey: Do you recommend BitFolk then? I am in the market for a VPS
[19:47] <popey> yes, totally
[19:48] <smittix> Cool
[20:04] <mapp> evening smittix
[20:08] <foobarry> directhex: did you run into the issue i read on archlinux wiki that unless you boot the e7440 on ac power , your gpu performance sucks, and you can't get it back unless you boot with ac power?
[20:32] <balor> What is the http .deb cache thingy called?  I've got to install 20 machines, but don't want to pull down all the debs 20 times.  Would rather cache them locally.
[20:34] <shauno> squid-deb-proxy is the one I usually end up with.  I think there's a couple others though
[20:37] <balor> shauno, thanks
[21:24] <mapp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3z4NMWdTcg
[21:24] <mapp> ABERRICAN ME - Ross Capicchioni - Part 1
[22:14] <directhex> foobarry, didn't notice. it's for work not games
[23:18] <mapp> hmm
[23:37] <neuro> hmm?
[23:38] <mapp> just hnm, what to do
[23:38] <mapp> do i go to Spurs v Sunderland or not
[23:39] <neuro> are you a fan of either team?
[23:39] <mapp> well no..but a friend is coming tot he UK and wants to see it..and he bought tickets..already said id go to manchester v sunderland thing is right
[23:39] <mapp> i can get to London for 3pm...book in advance 37 quid..game time 8pm..last train from euston 10;50
[23:40] <mapp> i wont be able to get from white hart lane to euston in time
[23:40] <neuro> 21st century problems
[23:40] <neuro> :)
[23:40] <mapp> so do i go and leave early..or do i stay in London and try to find a cheap crap hotel OR just go to the 24hour casino in leicester sq?
[23:40] <mapp> and i cant get back till 8am.the 5/6am trains are mad expensive..no cheap tickets till 8
[23:41] <neuro> pointless to go to a game and leave early
[23:41] <mapp> agreed
[23:41] <mapp> id have spent like 110+ too
[23:41] <mapp> 37 quid each way +35 quid ticket+ anything else
[23:41] <neuro> i was at a celtic v hearts game where we were two nil down
[23:41] <neuro> loads of folk left about 80-85 mins in
[23:41] <neuro> we scored 3 goals in the last 7 minutes
[23:41] <mapp> hahaha
[23:42] <mapp> i remember my friend saying his dad tuned the united game off when united were losing..in a bad mood all day thinking they'd lost..when they had won last minute goals
[23:42] <mapp> LOL
[23:42] <neuro> exactly :)
[23:42] <mapp> but then a hotel adds exta costs, and if i stay at the casino from like 11-7am i cant not drink or buy any food so thats extra money ..so it's not ideal either way
[23:42] <mapp> with manchester i can get a taxi back to stoke worst case for about 35 quid
[23:42] <neuro> if you've already spent a ton of cash, then just commit to it
[23:42] <daftykins> football boooooo
[23:43] <neuro> maybe someone you know in the area would let you crash for the night?
[23:43] <mapp> watched 1st captain america today
[23:43] <mapp> let down
[23:43] <neuro> daftykins: woooo
[23:43] <neuro> really?
[23:43] <neuro> REALLY?
[23:43] <neuro> lies
[23:43] <mapp> dont know anyone  in london really
[23:43] <mapp> yea
[23:43] <mapp> i didnt think much of it
[23:43] <mapp> take it you loved it
[23:43] <mapp> lol
[23:43] <neuro> heathen
[23:43] <neuro> i didn't love it, but i enjoyed it
[23:43] <neuro> takes a lot for me to love a movie
[23:44] <mapp> was going to go see captain america 2 today but my friend said he was seeing his ex..and no point using 2 41 fo just me:)
[23:44] <daftykins> one seat for you, one for all the snacks you buy \o/
[23:44] <neuro> you were going to see the sequel not having seen the first one?
[23:44] <mapp> no neuro
[23:44] <mapp> thats why i watched the 1st earlier
[23:44] <mapp> lol
[23:44] <neuro> oh
[23:45] <neuro> i went to see pirates of the caribbean 3 having only read the wikipedia plot synopsis for part 2 (i'd seen part 1 years earlier)
[23:45] <mapp> haha
[23:45] <daftykins> i've not seen any of those
[23:45] <mapp> ive seen 1
[23:45] <mapp> 1st
[23:46] <neuro> i'm pretty sure i went to see it the same day I got back from SF
[23:47] <neuro> 13 hr flight from SFO to LHR, 2 hr stop, 1 hr flight from LHR to GLA, 1 hr faff in airport, 30 minutes to get home, 4, maybe 5 hrs tops in the house, then out to see movie
[23:47] <neuro> all i remember is the swirly bit when the boats are in the swirly thing
[23:47] <neuro> and something to do with singapore
[23:47] <neuro> that's it
[23:47] <daftykins> cor you wouldn't have had me going anywhere after all that :D
[23:48] <neuro> yeah, i was pretty much dead on my feet
[23:48] <daftykins> :D
[23:52] <mapp> ugh
[23:53] <mapp> my friend went to Bahamas went Manchester -> Holland Holland -> somewhere us us -> bahamas
[23:53] <mapp> ended up like 20hours of stopover
[23:53] <mapp> lol
[23:54] <daftykins> O_O
[23:54] <daftykins> i think i'd go mad
[23:54] <daftykins> limbo time is always so >_<
[23:54] <mapp> yep  like 6hours at hollad lol
[23:55] <neuro> schiphol?
[23:55] <mapp> i havent had any stop overs but only been holland/czech/majorca
[23:55] <mapp> yea neuro
[23:55] <neuro> niiiice
[23:55] <mapp> quite a big airport
[23:55] <neuro> schiphol is a quality airport
[23:55] <neuro> six hours between flights would be brill
[23:55] <mapp> all ive had is like the 2hour wait after i get there to get on the plan..i dont take a suitcase for 5-7days so dont need to even check in:P
[23:55] <mapp> LOL
[23:55] <mapp> id rather not
[23:56] <neuro> i had a stop in LHR which was so short, not only did I not make it to the connecting flight, but neither did my bags