| rick_h_ | here's a thought for you https://twitter.com/steveklabnik/status/448596654426300416 | 00:01 |
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| jrwren | cmaloney: my beard is MUCH larger now | 00:32 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: Apparently all the cool kids are doing it now | 00:32 |
| cmaloney | waf is working on a luxurious beard. | 00:32 |
| cmaloney | I unfortunately am beard-challenged. :) | 00:33 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I just skipped grey and going to white beard | 00:33 |
| rick_h_ | I feel like I'll be a more unique pirate name if I go for 'white beard the cranky' | 00:33 |
| jrwren | i'll clean up some time in the next month | 00:33 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: No, you won't. :) | 00:33 |
| jrwren | i will or my wife will kill me | 00:33 |
| cmaloney | Once you go beard you never go back | 00:34 |
| cmaloney | morning | 10:08 |
| rick_h_ | ugh | 10:45 |
| cmaloney | rick_h_: That good eh? | 11:02 |
| rick_h_ | is it friday yet? | 11:04 |
| cmaloney | Almost htere | 11:06 |
| cmaloney | there even | 11:06 |
| brousch | Too many conferences! http://eepurl.com/Rb2SL | 12:01 |
| cmaloney | Heh | 12:18 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, I got that one as well | 12:18 |
| cmaloney | And had it not been after PyCon / Penguicon / Anniversary I think I might consider it | 12:18 |
| cmaloney | as it stands now I'd need some heavy duty convincing | 12:19 |
| brousch | And only 2 days to submit a talk?! | 12:22 |
| cmaloney | That doesn't bother me so much. :) | 12:38 |
| brousch | Wow. The Penguicon programming is really impressive | 12:39 |
| cmaloney | yeah, Kevin O'Brien et al have done a fine job | 12:39 |
| cmaloney | There's a lot of tech programming this time around | 12:39 |
| cmaloney | Though apparently they moved the release party from Friday to Saturday because jcastro can't manage to make Friday. | 12:40 |
| cmaloney | or so I'm told. :) | 12:40 |
| jcastro | o/ I will be there! | 12:42 |
| jcastro | I just found out I don't have to leave either | 12:42 |
| cmaloney | Oh nice! | 12:42 |
| cmaloney | However if it's against the Smithees JoDee won't be there. | 12:42 |
| cmaloney | jcastro: You still doing the Fitbit? | 12:43 |
| jcastro | no I lose my stupid charger | 12:44 |
| cmaloney | Ah, bummer. | 12:44 |
| jcastro | and since I have a flex it's some dumb one of a kind charger | 12:44 |
| jcastro | not a USB | 12:44 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, I have the Flex as well | 12:44 |
| cmaloney | using it with Linux. | 12:44 |
| jcastro | I just haven't gotten one yet | 12:44 |
| jcastro | I plan on it | 12:44 |
| jcastro | rick_h_, around? | 12:45 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: rgr | 12:45 |
| cmaloney | He's headed to Howell | 12:45 |
| cmaloney | or just arriving | 12:45 |
| rick_h_ | hour long commute 1/2 complete | 12:46 |
| rick_h_ | 1 of 2 vs 1/2 | 12:46 |
| cmaloney | heh | 12:46 |
| jcastro | rick_h_, ok call me when you get a minute, not work related, just funny story | 12:46 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: k | 12:46 |
| brousch | The Penguicon programming makes no mention of furries and only 12 mentions of polyamory | 12:49 |
| cmaloney | brousch: Quick question: how many times have you been to Penguicon? | 12:55 |
| brousch | 0 | 12:56 |
| brousch | I have only second hand accounts | 12:56 |
| cmaloney | I think you need to come to recalibrate your impressions of it. :) | 12:56 |
| cmaloney | Cory Doctorow is coming back of his own volition | 12:56 |
| brousch | It looks far more respectable this year compared to last time I looked | 12:57 |
| cmaloney | btw: New Animals as Leaders album is awesom. | 13:12 |
| jrwren | party party | 13:15 |
| jrwren | My wife just got into reading Doctorow this year. I think she has read all of his novels now. I think I'll be at penguicon as a result :) | 13:17 |
| cmaloney | Heh | 13:17 |
| cmaloney | You do realize that's Oakland County | 13:17 |
| cmaloney | and Boss Hogg will be waiting. | 13:17 |
| jrwren | I know. | 13:19 |
| jrwren | i was in oakland county not long ago! | 13:20 |
| jrwren | I went to the zoo! | 13:20 |
| jrwren | it wasn't hell. | 13:20 |
| jrwren | I may have turned a new leaf. | 13:20 |
| jrwren | likely because it was literally sunday driving | 13:20 |
| cmaloney | heh | 13:32 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I should read some more Cory before going | 13:38 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I tend do end up doing it in reverse order | 13:38 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I saw Vinge at Pcon, then read A Fire Upon The Deep, and loved it. | 13:38 |
| ColonelPanic001 | instead of doing it the other way around and getting more out of seeing his panel(s) | 13:38 |
| cmaloney | heh | 13:39 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, same here. | 13:39 |
| jrwren | they are young adult category, so they are typically very quick reads. | 13:48 |
| jrwren | Little Brother was <3 especially becuase of teh tech realism. | 13:49 |
| mrgoodcat | good morning everyone | 15:41 |
| brousch | yes | 15:42 |
| mrgoodcat | new wolfenstein collectors edition doesn't include a copy of the game | 15:45 |
| mrgoodcat | ಠ_ಠ | 15:45 |
| rick_h_ | mrgoodcat: widox waf cmaloney and people I miss CHC is 7pm early tonight | 15:45 |
| mrgoodcat | oh good i would have forgotten it's early | 15:46 |
| jrwren | imma use bookie/tests as a guide for writing good tests. | 16:07 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: heh, best of luck to you :) | 16:08 |
| mrgoodcat | jrwren: guide for work, self, or public? | 16:22 |
| mrgoodcat | made bmark.us/recent my homepage today. so much usefulness on a single page | 16:25 |
| jrwren | work | 16:25 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: hmm, I'd consider bookie tests mostly C for the most part | 16:26 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: so if it's useful awesome, but I'd not make them the upper model | 16:26 |
| mrgoodcat | what do you mean "mostly C" | 16:26 |
| greg-g | (rick has high standards) | 16:26 |
| greg-g | mostly a C grade, not B or A | 16:26 |
| mrgoodcat | got it | 16:26 |
| jrwren | yeah. i already gave up :( | 16:27 |
| mrgoodcat | wow | 16:27 |
| mrgoodcat | that bad huh? | 16:27 |
| rick_h_ | heh, yea there are bad parts no doubt. They're too functional vs unit'y, at least the web ones | 16:27 |
| rick_h_ | get the job done but meh | 16:27 |
| rick_h_ | well bookie is a 4yr old project. My views on testing and such have expanded a bit in 4yr | 16:28 |
| mrgoodcat | i would certainly hope so | 16:28 |
| mrgoodcat | i often wish i had more exposure to TDD | 16:32 |
| rick_h_ | I'm not a big fan of TDD in the strict sense. I find it leads to crappy apis | 16:32 |
| rick_h_ | but yea, more tests is better sooner and more often | 16:32 |
| mrgoodcat | i mean testing in general | 16:32 |
| rick_h_ | yea, gotcha | 16:32 |
| mrgoodcat | i've had really limited exposure since i haven't had to work with any real serious codebases. school coding projects are borderline jokes and testing has never been mentioned once in a single class i've ever taken | 16:33 |
| jrwren | no.. more that what I'm doing sucks and I don't want to test it, cuz I'm a bad dev | 16:33 |
| mrgoodcat | really frustrating sometimes since it seems such a huge part of the industry | 16:33 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: but... but... Test Driven Design!!! | 16:34 |
| jrwren | it leads to gREAT apis | 16:34 |
| cmaloney | https://twitter.com/squeekyhoho/status/448860315925504002 | 16:35 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: not ime | 16:36 |
| cmaloney | IME = In My Estimation? | 16:36 |
| rick_h_ | in my experience | 16:36 |
| cmaloney | ah | 16:37 |
| cmaloney | imex | 16:37 |
| cmaloney | IMEx | 16:37 |
| cmaloney | IMEst. | 16:37 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: I've used it with success and I've used it with failure. | 16:40 |
| jrwren | I like the idea of test driven design | 16:40 |
| jrwren | but it means you are testing for the right design. | 16:40 |
| jrwren | IMO the whole point is to write the tests for the great API that you want to exist. Then make them pass. | 16:41 |
| jrwren | if you didn't do that, then yeah, you might get a bad API | 16:41 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: yea, true TDD of one test at a time with the 'smallest change to make the test pass" doesn't consider enough 'big picture' | 17:25 |
| greg-g | takes some pre-planning | 17:29 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: exactly. that is test driven dvelopment. different from test driven design | 17:32 |
| jrwren | the emergent design through test driven development is a crock IMO. | 17:32 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: +1 we can agree then | 17:36 |
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| jrwren | i'm just really not in the mood to TDD right now. It seems like so much work. | 17:40 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 17:41 |
| jrwren | i htink I've forgotten how to do it | 17:44 |
| mrgoodcat | damn long lunch. so behind now >:[ | 17:51 |
| mrgoodcat | thinking about buying that kent beck book everyone always links on the interwebs | 18:05 |
| cmaloney | Kent Beck book? | 18:18 |
| cmaloney | Well apparently Google really knows Kent Beck. :) | 18:18 |
| cmaloney | type: kent beck book | 18:18 |
| mrgoodcat | his book 'test driven development: by example' is supposed to be the best there is | 18:20 |
| mrgoodcat | or so says the internet anyways | 18:20 |
| mrgoodcat | what if your tests aren't testing what you think they are? write tests for your tests :) | 18:22 |
| brousch | What test framework works best if you are writing a test framework? | 18:23 |
| mrgoodcat | what if the testing framework has a bug | 18:24 |
| brousch | Right, that's why you can dog food it | 18:24 |
| brousch | can't | 18:24 |
| mrgoodcat | what if x/0 is actually not mathematically impossible? i think is the logical conclusion of that line of thought | 18:25 |
| jrwren | jcastro: Learn something at Fanzoo tonight. You gonna make it? | 18:40 |
| jcastro | LTS crunch dude, sorry | 18:40 |
| jcastro | I will be @ Penguicon though | 18:40 |
| jrwren | gl hf | 18:40 |
| jcastro | consider rick and I dead | 18:40 |
| jcastro | for now | 18:40 |
| jrwren | you working hard to get python 3.4 into 14.04 ? | 18:41 |
| jcastro | but not smoser, he's just walking around looking around | 18:41 |
| jrwren | that is because he works hard the other 50 weeks in the year | 18:41 |
| rick_h_ | no, quickstart into main :) | 18:41 |
| jcastro | Right now I am working on logstash/elasticsearch/kibana | 18:41 |
| jrwren | quickstart into main? juju quickstart? | 18:41 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: yea | 18:41 |
| jrwren | jcastro: !!! I was just looking at that on Friday. | 18:41 |
| jcastro | we have the charms dude | 18:42 |
| rick_h_ | the ES charm is looking hot. I want to use it for Bookie while I'm at pycon | 18:42 |
| jrwren | jcastro: you realize elasticsearch only supports 2 version of JVM and ubuntu doesn't ship those JVM versions? | 18:42 |
| jcastro | they are a bit stale upstream version wise, but I'll have that hooked up before release | 18:42 |
| smoser | jcastro, i just did 3 uplaods today | 18:42 |
| jrwren | link me to charm. I wanna see how they get old JVM versions on there. | 18:42 |
| smoser | :) | 18:42 |
| greg-g | jcastro: ooo, logstash, we put logstash into production a little bit ago, not depended upon yet, but we like it (still migrating logs to it) | 18:42 |
| jcastro | jrwren, charms have root, whatever unholy JVM shit you wanna do, don't care | 18:42 |
| jcastro | smoser, <3 | 18:42 |
| rick_h_ | lol, smoser to his defense | 18:43 |
| jrwren | yay! insecure by default - because kibana requires an open port to JVM service. | 18:43 |
| jrwren | jcastro: so it grabs an OLD sun JVM and installs it? | 18:43 |
| greg-g | so far only need 3 beefy ES boxes, we'll probably need to bump that up though.... | 18:43 |
| jcastro | this one is using openjdk | 18:43 |
| jcastro | greg-g, yeah it's like you woke up one day and everyone is using elasticsearch | 18:44 |
| jcastro | that's how I see it anyway | 18:44 |
| jrwren | um yeah, your ES charm sucks and is broken. | 18:44 |
| jrwren | i jsut looked. | 18:44 |
| jcastro | we've rewritten it | 18:44 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: which one, there's a couple | 18:44 |
| jrwren | apt-get install -y default-jre-headless # <-- recipe for fail | 18:45 |
| jcastro | we just haven't synced it back into the the store | 18:45 |
| jrwren | the juju recommended one. | 18:45 |
| jrwren | i dunno | 18:45 |
| jcastro | but our new one is hawt, and will get the upstream blessing | 18:45 |
| jcastro | unless I mess up this call entirely in the next 2 hours | 18:45 |
| jrwren | https://jujucharms.com/sidebar/search/precise/elasticsearch-3/?text=elasticsearch#code | 18:45 |
| jcastro | our new one is all ansible-ized | 18:45 |
| jrwren | you guys have very different values than do I :) | 18:47 |
| jrwren | jcastro: let me know when you get those charms up. I'd like to test 'em. | 18:54 |
| jcastro | 14.04ish | 18:55 |
| jrwren | so the will be trust charms, not precise? | 18:55 |
| jcastro | they'll be precise too | 18:55 |
| jrwren | cool | 18:55 |
| jcastro | the target for new charms will still be precise for a long time | 18:55 |
| jrwren | that is kind of what I figured. | 18:56 |
| jcastro | with forward porting to trusty, not the other way around | 18:56 |
| jcastro | precise is not even to 50% of the lifecycle | 18:56 |
| jrwren | how does juju handle that? | 18:56 |
| jcastro | juju deploy precise/foo | 18:56 |
| jcastro | juju deploy trusty/foo | 18:56 |
| jcastro | it's just a different series | 18:56 |
| jrwren | http://www.gnome.org/news/2014/03/gnome-3-12-released/ so sad - no free codec love. | 19:36 |
| jrwren | video requires h264 instead of webm | 19:36 |
| greg-g | :/ | 19:37 |
| jrwren | so sad that I have to wait for jcastro ES charm | 22:32 |
| jcastro | jrwren, btw on the call today they told me they prefer openjdk | 22:53 |
| jcastro | jrwren, charms are upgradeable, you can play now and upgrade later | 22:53 |
| jrwren | who is they? ES? | 23:05 |
| cmaloney | Evening | 23:23 |
| rick_h_ | party | 23:23 |
| cmaloney | jcastro: If given the choice between Sun JDK and OPenJDK I'd prefer OpenJDK too | 23:23 |
| jrwren | its what I was using with ES. | 23:46 |
| jrwren | it doesn't work with ES :( | 23:46 |
| jrwren | ES claims to require a specific patch level with know vuln. newer java has sec fixes but bugs which mess with lucense and thus mess with ES | 23:46 |
| jrwren | basically, ES is a ghetto | 23:46 |
| Havenstance2 | anyone have an idea how to forward a port in zentyal? | 23:55 |
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