[00:00] <runvnc> thoonai: is there anything else in sudoers
[00:00] <runvnc> is that the complete file
[00:00] <runvnc> if not gist the whole file
[00:00] <runvnc> if it is the same file then replace your line with mine (cut and paste)
[00:00] <thoonai> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7153939/
[00:00] <runvnc> try putting my line in place of yours
[00:00] <runvnc> copy and paste it in
[00:00] <thoonai> ah wait second
[00:01] <unicornjedi> runvnc, i dont have gnome-settings-daemons installed. Could i used d-conf instead?
[00:01] <thoonai> runvnc: ok, but this executes the command as root, am I right?
[00:01] <thoonai> runvnc: I want it to be executed as user "vbox"
[00:02] <runvnc> unicornjedi: I don't know sorry
[00:02] <runvnc> thoonai: are you able to get it to execute the command at all?
[00:02] <thoonai> yes
[00:03] <m1dnight> hey guys
[00:03] <runvnc> ok try what I wrote with the only change the (vbox) in front
[00:03] <m1dnight> i created a .desktop file in my /usr/share/applications folder, but it's not showing up in my searchthingy
[00:03] <m1dnight> you know, the ubuntu icon in which you cna search
[00:03] <thoonai> runvnc: why in front?
[00:03] <m1dnight> is that another folder?
[00:04] <Wulframn> m1dnight, the period in front makes it hidden.
[00:04] <thoonai> doesnt this is the allowed user to execute this command?
[00:05] <runvnc> thoonai: take the command syntax I gave you and  modify it to include the user specification the way you think it should be specified
[00:05] <runvnc> I'm not an expert in sudoers sorry
[00:05] <runvnc> just trying to help
[00:05] <thoonai> runvnc: thanks a lot ! :)
[00:05] <joedjx> hi
[00:05] <runvnc> I have a feeling either the syntax you used is not quite exactly right, or what you typed was overwritten by some other group or something in sudoers
[00:05] <joedjx> can somebody help me??
[00:05] <Wulframn> m1dnight, pull up a terminal and run "ls -a", do you see the file?
[00:06] <Wulframn> !ask
[00:06] <thoonai> joedjx: if you would post your problem, probably
[00:06] <joedjx> ok, thanx
[00:06] <thoonai> joedjx: :D
[00:06] <joedjx> i{m new on ubuntu, i recently installed ubuntu 12.04 on my imac g5 intel, but, my video driver is not working properly, what i have to do, i repeat, i{m new on ubuntu
[00:07] <joedjx> ???
[00:07] <runvnc> unicornjedi: http://askubuntu.com/questions/154879/black-screen-with-mouse-pointer-after-resuming-from-suspend-from-time-to-time https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/966744
[00:08] <Wulframn> I'm not familiar with Apple products. That has an Intel video card?
[00:08] <joedjx> i{m not sure, i guess, ati radeon 128mb
[00:08] <planecool> helllooo!!!
[00:08] <planecool> is anyone online?
[00:08] <planecool> i need help
[00:08] <planecool> plz!!!
[00:09] <Wulframn> Nope, then it's an ATI card.
[00:09] <planecool> ohh crapt
[00:09] <Wulframn> !ask
[00:09] <planecool> hehe
[00:09] <unicornjedi> planecool, dude chill, whats the sitch
[00:09] <Azendale> planecool: there's lots of people online, just ask
[00:09] <rww> planecool: asking your actual question is a good way to do that :)
[00:09] <joedjx> oh, letme see
[00:09] <planecool> it is a ati card proble
[00:09] <planecool> well
[00:09] <Wulframn> !enter
[00:09] <planecool> looks like ive got tons of nerds to help me
[00:09] <planecool> ok
[00:09] <Wulframn> Awesome
[00:09] <runvnc> I have a Lenovo, not a mac, and ati, and ati has given me so many headaches on my computer
[00:09] <planecool> so i was sitting on my shitty laptop working
[00:09] <planecool> and im like hey
[00:09] <planecool> i wanna play tf2
[00:09] <unicornjedi> runvnc, that post is just the question asked. I don't see any helpful information on there. I appreciate your help felaa
[00:09] <joedjx> maybe, i can see the screen like if the driver are on windows on 16bits video
[00:09] <planecool> and being a 16 year old nerd
[00:10] <shadykhan-laptop> anyone know why after 5-10 min of logging in the screen freezes and goes back to the login screen?
[00:10] <planecool> i promply got to work
[00:10] <runvnc> planecool: thats not a good way you use your laptop.. you should stop sitting on it
[00:10] <planecool> well my drivers are not supported
[00:10] <planecool> hehe
[00:10] <planecool> lol
[00:10] <planecool> well
[00:10] <planecool> i purged they fglrx drivers
[00:10] <Wulframn> Oh lawd
[00:10] <rww> you should probably also just put the whole issue in one or two lines
[00:10] <planecool> and tried getting some open source ones
[00:10] <runvnc> unicornjedi: did you read the second link that I posted, on that page it links to an ubuntu bug
[00:10] <planecool> ,,,
[00:10] <planecool> ok
[00:10] <thoonai> planecool: please don't flood, please write stuff in one line
[00:10] <runvnc> unicornjedi: which the bot read out in the irc chat room
[00:10] <planecool> yes bad habit
[00:10] <planecool> im and extrovert
[00:11] <Wulframn> Planecool, the enter key isn't your spacebar
[00:11] <planecool> i think like this
[00:11] <thoonai> planecool: I'm getting eye cancer ;)
[00:11] <runvnc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/966744
[00:11] <qin> is /ingore enought for it??
[00:11] <planecool> im sorry
[00:11] <thoonai> planecool: stay cool ;)
[00:11] <thoonai> qin: !flood > /ignore :D
[00:12] <qin> thoonai: godsend ;)
[00:12] <Wulframn> Oh thank God
[00:12] <thoonai> !religion
[00:12] <Hornet> dragonfly, seems the default keyboard layout is US, changing it to UK, meant everything worked
[00:12] <on3pk> Hey guys.  I'm trying to secure a new VPS, but, I'm not really sure where to start.  There are *a ton* of tutorials out there that suggest different things.  Is there one that is better than the other or one that is recommended?
[00:12] <planecool> heres my problm i just want to revert back to my old fglrx drivers on my ubontoo laptop asap and want to paly minecraft cause ive complety given up on getting good drives i keep haveing open gl entry point errors so i tried switching to opensource drivers but they just fuc**ed up miencraft and and tf2 so now nothing works and id like to just revert to my old drivers so i can at least use minecraft if not tf2
[00:12] <Hornet> I have no idea WHY, worst that should have done would be a missing @ or "
[00:12] <unicornjedi> runvnc, wow ubottu is very helpful. Im using saucy, not quantal
[00:13] <runvnc> The US is the best country in the world.
[00:13] <runvnc> Down with the UK.
[00:13] <runvnc> lol jk
[00:13] <Hornet> -1/10 are you even trying
[00:13] <planecool> so can anyone help me?
[00:13] <Wulframn> !patience
[00:13] <Hornet> also the sources.list file was full of @^@^@^@^@^@^
[00:14] <Hornet> what the hell is THAT about
[00:14] <daftykins> planecool: well why don't you just do what you did to put on the ones when things were working?
[00:14] <Hornet> couldn't update anything
[00:14] <planecool> ive been working on this on my own since 4:00 its 7:30 ive got pages of code and im pretty noob to linux
[00:14] <shadykhan-laptop> anyone know why after 5-10 min of logging in the screen freezes and goes back to the login screen?
[00:14] <Wulframn> Planecool, what did you do to install the new drivers?
[00:14] <planecool> is therer any way to show u the log of all the termail input in the last few hours?
[00:14] <runvnc> planecool: did you say you wrote pages of code to switch drivers?
[00:15] <thoonai> planecool: I know youre feeling ^^ I'm doing linux since eternity and it still sucks ;)
[00:15] <runvnc> planecool: history
[00:15] <planecool> cuase im too stupid to rember what i did...
[00:15] <planecool> ok
[00:15] <thoonai> -it +I
[00:15] <runvnc> planecool: I have also had a realllly hard time with ati.. it doesnt work so good
[00:15] <planecool> yes ati suckes
[00:16] <planecool> im saving up for a new computer
[00:16] <planecool> with a 770
[00:16] <runvnc> planecool: eventually I had to buy a notebook cooler from zalman.. and since then I have been ok
[00:16] <planecool> but thats gonna take a while
[00:16] <Lord-Ragnarock> Oh! I forgot to ask. I upgraded my kernel to 3.13.7-1, and suddenly my BCM43228 chip isn't recognized anymore. (Asked from an Arch user, but due to heavy wait times with the channel am asking here and at ##linux :) )
[00:16] <planecool> do u want to see my code or a pastebin link
[00:16] <runvnc> planecool: before that I was getting up to 87C when I tried to play a video or game, now stays below 70 usually, games maybe 75 or 77
[00:16] <Lord-Ragnarock> Anyone have an idea what to do, or will I have to downgrade? :(
[00:16] <Wulframn> Pastebin
[00:16] <netameta__> i'm trying to install supervisord, so i can run node.js forever
[00:17] <Vivekananda> I had this earlier but did not write it down. I want to delete or write a an empty string " " to apache2/error.log. how do I do it? I tried sudo echo " " >/var/log/apache2/error.log
[00:17] <planecool> ok guys
[00:17] <sharon> Anyone know any good themes for xchat?
[00:17] <planecool> help me undo everything i did in this link and help me revert my drivers plz http://pastebin.com/HtASz3NB
[00:17] <netameta__> following this tutorial : http://techprd.com/setup-node-js-web-server-on-amazon-ec2/
[00:17] <Vivekananda> sharon: I am using a matrix theme :). saw some good ones a while back
[00:18] <thoonai> some sudo expert available?
[00:18] <thoonai> sudo help me too pleaze
[00:18] <thoonai> :D
[00:18] <planecool> will anyone look over what i did and how i screwed up plz http://pastebin.com/HtASz3NB
[00:18] <planecool> i know sudo
[00:18] <planecool> it just makes u root
[00:19] <planecool> spend as little time in it as possible....
[00:19] <Vivekananda> used one from here http://toxin.jottit.com/xchat_themes sharon
[00:19] <mardan> hello, can I install any plugins in "file" program (nautilus)
[00:19] <thoonai> planecool: nope, it does a lot lot more unfortunatelly
[00:19] <thoonai> planecool: ;)
[00:19] <arselinux> Hey, is it possible to tell Ubiquity to not install GRUB at all, or will I have to launch the curses installer?
[00:19] <runvnc> Lord-Ragnarock: there is a 3.14-rc7
[00:19] <planecool> was joking
[00:19] <planecool> its tuff
[00:19] <planecool> thats what i know about it though
[00:19] <seednode> mardan, I know plugins exist
[00:19] <thoonai> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7153939/
[00:19] <nt2subtle> yo yo
[00:19] <Vivekananda> anyone care to answer my questoin
[00:19] <Lord-Ragnarock> Huh, nifty :D
[00:19] <arselinux> I already have Arch installed and there's no reason to install GRUB again
[00:19] <seednode> But I haven't installed them in ubuntu yet
[00:19] <planecool> http://pastebin.com/HtASz3NB
[00:20] <nt2subtle> Anyone running ubuntu touch?
[00:20] <planecool> thoonai what are u using to be in htis chat?
[00:20] <mardan> seednode, I did tray to install nautilus one but did not workout
[00:20] <planecool> also thoonai can u read this plz http://pastebin.com/HtASz3NB http://pastebin.com/HtASz3NB http://pastebin.com/HtASz3NB
[00:20] <thoonai> planecool: huh?
[00:20] <planecool> my dogs looking at me like your stupid
[00:20] <planecool> u should just have left your comp alone
[00:20] <planecool> im taking out the trash
[00:20] <runvnc> thoonai: are you sure you don't need a space after nopasswd: like I suggested
[00:20] <planecool> brbr
[00:21] <runvnc> thoonai: and is that really the entire sudoers file
[00:21] <thoonai> planecool: I'm an semiexperienced user, trying to get an answer and in the time waiting, I'll try to help
[00:22] <seednode> I'm available to pretend to be helpful for twenty minutes
[00:22] <qin> thoonai: what was the question?
[00:22] <Lord-Ragnarock> runvnc: Looks like 3.13.7-1 is the latest (according to Arch's reps) Any idea how to download a kernel and apply it manually? :o
[00:22] <runvnc> Lord-Ragnarock: that is an arch question I think
[00:23] <seednode> Lord-Ragnarock, can I PM you? I can help
[00:23] <Lord-Ragnarock> I see. I've asked like 5 times and they aren't really helping xD
[00:23] <Vivekananda> anyone know my answer ? or a way to do it ?
[00:23] <mardan> Lord-Ragnarock, ubuntu ;) http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[00:23] <Lord-Ragnarock> seednode: Sure! idk how to do so in this client. I'l find out :D
[00:23] <seednode> I can PM you
[00:23] <Vivekananda> delete the error.log for apache2 in ubuntu
[00:23] <planecool> thanks for helping me thoonai
[00:23] <davidrsmorris> Lord-Ragnarock, that seems like it should be the same across distros.  Have you looked at the Gentoo wiki?
[00:24] <planecool> and anyone else who thinks there good
[00:24] <planecool> check what i did http://pastebin.com/HtASz3NB
[00:24] <seednode> davidrsmorris, I got this covered
[00:24] <planecool> and help me undo it!!!
[00:24] <thoonai> qin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7154036/
[00:24] <runvnc> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernels#How_to_install
[00:24] <Lord-Ragnarock> I have not, davidrsmorris :o
[00:24] <thoonai> qin: I try to get this runnin :/
[00:24] <unicornjedi> !ping
[00:25] <thoonai> planecool: I'll see, what my brain throws if reading your stuff, but don't expect much
[00:26] <Vivekananda> ubottu is good
[00:26] <thoonai> !pong
[00:26] <runvnc> how do you make it list commands
[00:27] <runvnc> or well I mean terms it knows
[00:27] <thoonai> !space invaders
[00:27] <kc9iid> is there a way in nautilus to only copy files that are not duplicates?
[00:27] <kc9iid> like in windows file manager?
[00:28] <planecool> help me revert this!
[00:28] <planecool> http://pastebin.com/HtASz3NB
[00:28] <planecool> thanks
[00:29] <thoonai> planecool: whats "udo"?
[00:29] <shadykhan-laptop> anyone know why after 5-10 min of logging in the screen freezes and goes back to the login screen?
[00:29] <sharon> http://pastebin.com/UQzd9ZDU
[00:29] <planecool> uhh spelling error i ment to do sudo but iscrewed up
[00:29] <planecool> then folloing my dumb ness
[00:29] <planecool> i installed udo....
[00:30] <thoonai> shadykhan-laptop: are you doing anything? if no, then its normal that it locks the screen
[00:30] <planecool> ment to do sudo
[00:30] <shadykhan-laptop> thoonai, i can be doing anything it will just restart.
[00:30] <qin> kc9iid: yeah, merge folders and skip for dupes
[00:30] <shadykhan-laptop> i load facebook or ubuntu it will restart, I launched libre writer it restarted on me
[00:31] <shadykhan-laptop> facebook or youtube*
[00:31] <thoonai> planecool: ok, I checking what udo is ^^
[00:31] <planecool> ok.
[00:31] <planecool> i just messed up their
[00:31] <kc9iid> qin: ok, how do i merge folders?
[00:32] <thoonai> shadykhan-laptop: ok, this seems to be odd. keep asking, I'll try to understand planecools mess
[00:32] <thoonai> qin: any clue?
[00:32] <qin> kc9iid: they would need to have same name, like dragging Music folder from usb to home where Music already exist...
[00:32] <planecool> thoonai:  disregard line 54
[00:32] <qin> thoonai: not really
[00:33] <planecool> that was a copy paste
[00:33] <planecool> form a chat log
[00:33] <thoonai> qin: I think it should work
[00:33] <planecool> that has nothing to do with proble,
[00:33] <thoonai> qin: but it does not :/
[00:33] <sharon> UDO is a powerful and multipurpose utility for making documentation or any other text file that is needed in one text format or more. UDO documents can be converted to ASCII, HTML, LaTeX, nroff, PostScript, RTF and many more. Though UDO is powerful, it's quite easy to understand and to use.
[00:34] <mardan> is it normal for compiz to use 10%cpu + Xorg 5% with Vaapi video playback?
[00:34] <planecool> thats nice
[00:34] <kc9iid> qin: yes, exactly what I want to do, but nautilus always copies all files insteas of asking me to skip duplicates
[00:34] <planecool> i guess udo i can keep
[00:34] <planecool> mabye i will use it someday
[00:34] <planecool> lol
[00:36] <planecool> thoonai:  lines 165 and on are where i started the problem
[00:36] <planecool> above that was other stuff
[00:37] <planecool> well im downloading they iso and am going to just reinsall 13.19
[00:37] <planecool> ugh
[00:37] <planecool> 13.10
[00:38] <qin> kc9iid: strange, in the end you can copy in terminal: cp -iv (interactive and verbose), my nautilus politely asks what to do.
[00:38] <shadykhan--lapto> thoonai, so it only restarts when i load up facebook or youtube which is really strange
[00:38] <HDRDan> Anyone here using McMyAdmin on Ubuntu with a modpack?
[00:39] <thoonai> shadykhan--lapto: I would look into /var/log/syslog probably an memory leak or something alike
[00:39] <Z4rd0z> Hi guyz
[00:39] <kc9iid> qin: oh yes I see now. (drag and drop) instead of (select all, copy then paste) then it does ask me. thank you very much.
[00:40] <qin> shadykhan--lapto: try different browser?
[00:40] <qin> kc9iid: ;)
[00:40] <apb1963> I'm trying to compile Okular with the latest version of the Poppler library, so that I can get a bug fix.  The instructions I found tell me to use "cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/path/to/your/kde4/install/dir", but I don't know where that path is.... what is normal for ubuntu 12.04 please?
[00:40] <shadykhan--lapto> qin, im going to install and try on chromium
[00:41] <qin> shadykhan--lapto: usual suspects are crappy adobe plugins, is your lappy overheating?
[00:42] <Z4rd0z> Hi (re), can anyone tell me in which file we can fin the md5 hash of users pwd in ubuntu ?
[00:42] <shadykhan--lapto> qin, i dont think its overheating
[00:43] <apb1963> Z4rd0z: /etc/shadow ?
[00:43] <qin> shadykhan--lapto: maybe logs then?
[00:45] <Toadstool2> hello
[00:45] <Toadstool2> does anyone know how to make .bin64 files run by double clicking on them?
[00:45] <qin> apb1963: which kde4;
[00:45] <Toadstool2> i already changed the executable permissions
[00:45] <Toadstool2> i can run it in a terminal
[00:45] <Toadstool2> but i cant run the file by double clicking on it
[00:46] <qin> Toadstool2: that file are you running?
[00:46] <Toadstool2> .bin64
[00:46] <Toadstool2> its a game
[00:46] <apb1963> qin: 4.12.3
[00:47] <planecool> thoonai:  u got anty advice yet>
[00:48] <thoonai> planecool: I'm still riddling, what you did ^^
[00:49] <thoonai> planecool: I unfortunately didn't ignored line 54 of your riddle so its really not that nice ;)
[00:50] <qin> apb1963: that looks adequate: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=843243
[00:51] <Z4rd0z> apb1963, thx ...
[00:52] <netameta__> I'm trying to install supervisord so i can run node.js server forever, i am following : http://techprd.com/setup-node-js-web-server-on-amazon-ec2/. however it doesnt seem to work
[00:53] <netameta__> especially url https://gist.github.com/howthebodyworks/176149/raw/
[00:53] <netameta__> 88d0d68c4af22a7474ad1d011659ea2d27e35b8d/supervisord.sh > supervisord
[00:53] <netameta__> what does this suppose to do ?
[00:54] <netameta__> i mean the first part as i understand just get the file but what does > supervisord do ?
[00:55] <daftykins> netameta__: outputs it to a local file
[00:55] <netameta__> so it basically copies it ?
[00:56] <daftykins> netameta__: curl downloads it and replaces the existing with the downloaded one
[00:56] <daftykins> oh actually no it just downloads it and creates the local file, the step after moves it in place of the init script
[00:57] <planecool> thoni
[00:57] <planecool> look after line 160
[00:57] <daftykins> you're going to want to be careful just taking someone elses code from online like that
[00:58] <netameta__> daftykins are you familier with anything else that can keep a app live forever ?
[00:58] <netameta__> i ready several tutorials several showed supervisord as the option they use.
[00:58] <daftykins> are you just trying to make sure something stays running?
[00:58] <netameta__> yes
[00:58] <netameta__> all the time
[00:58] <netameta__> even after putty session wears off
[00:59] <apb1963> qin: You nailed it.  Thanks!  For the record, the actual dir is /usr
[00:59] <netameta__> also when i do the above command the file i get is empty and that's the output i get for that command :   % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time  Current
[00:59] <netameta__>                                  Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left  Speed
[00:59] <netameta__>   0     0    0     0    0     0      0      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--     0
[01:00] <nomic> scp?
[01:00] <daftykins> netameta__: screen no good? :)
[01:00] <seednode> Yeah, I'd just use screen/tmux
[01:01] <netameta__> daftykins what you mean screen no good ?
[01:01] <daftykins> netameta__: i run my IRC client 'irssi' in a 'screen' session so i can detach and reattach at will, from different SSH sessions
[01:01] <daftykins> !screen
[01:02] <netameta__> you mean as an alternative for the superviosord ?
[01:02] <seednode> Supervisord just sounds like a hackjobby script
[01:02] <seednode> And screen is a wellknown and trusted utility
[01:03] <netameta__> will screen also boot files up incase the crashed ?
[01:04] <daftykins> netameta__: no
[01:04] <thoonai> planecool: keep asking here, I'm tryin to fix other problems atm
[01:04] <netameta__> yea that's what supervisord suppose to do
[01:04] <netameta__> basically ones server is up, it will keep that script up all the time, if it crashed ir session has expired .. etc
[01:07] <okagami> I have installed Lubuntu in vmware , is there any way to make it faster , and what about removing programes that i don't need  such as office , graphics ... ??
[01:07] <thoonai> !ivt
[01:07] <thoonai> meh
[01:08] <netameta__> how comesit wont copy the file from above ?
[01:09] <okagami> ??
[01:09] <thoonai> okagami: do you can activate and use hardware virtualization?, or set up more memory and processors?
[01:12] <netameta__> ah!
[01:12] <netameta__> got it to work
[01:12] <netameta__> used wget instead of curl and renamed it
  I have set up  the best memory and processors my computer can give .
[01:12] <netameta__> and gave it the right permissions
[01:18] <thoonai> I'm still stuck with sudo :/ any idea?: sudoers file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7154036/ result: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7154190/
[01:26] <thoonai> I'm off thanks for help :)
[01:32] <neopsyche> ok.. could someone please help me find the pidgin directory.? lol .. its hairpull stuff
[01:32] <neopsyche> which pidgin command shows.. usr/bin/pidgin
[01:32] <neopsyche> cd usr cd bin good good... cd pidgin!  .. dir does not exist !>!>!?!??!?!
[01:33] <neopsyche> using ubuntu 13.10
[01:35] <neopsyche> nevermind
[01:35] <neopsyche> found it
[01:39] <grahamsavage> hey how can i get rid of this duplicate sources.list issue https://gist.github.com/anonymous/84afef08400f8af0f0b9
[01:40] <grahamsavage> i opened /etc/apt/sources.list and i can find duplicates
[01:41] <Freddy1337> this is a way long shot
[01:41] <Freddy1337> but you could try deleting the duplicates
[01:42] <ruy> ola
[01:42] <grahamsavage> i just said.. i opened /etc/apt/sources.list and i can't see any duplicates
[01:42] <ruy> alguem do brasil
[01:42] <Freddy1337> grahamsavage: read again
[01:43] <on3pk_> Hey guys.  I added a new user to my ubuntu VPS, but the home directory wasn't created
[01:43] <on3pk_> How can I create it now?
[01:44] <on3pk_> mkdir /home/user gives a permission denied error
[01:44] <Freddy1337> on3pk_: usermod -d /home/username -m username
[01:44] <Freddy1337> as root
[01:44] <Freddy1337> would be the easiest way
[01:45] <Freddy1337> or just mkdir as root and then chown it
[01:45] <Freddy1337> grahamsavage:
[01:45] <Freddy1337> http://askubuntu.com/a/184446
[01:45] <Bashing-om> grahamsavage: Source lists are also in the directory /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ <- look there also.
[01:47] <on3pk_> Freddy1337, thanks
[01:47] <Freddy1337> np
[01:47] <grahamsavage> Bashing-om, ah right.. are they duplicates or separate lists?
[01:48] <Freddy1337> grahamsavage: read that link, it's really thorough.
[01:48] <Bashing-om> grahamsavage: in that directory are individual files, in the same format as that of /etc/apt/sources.list ...
[01:49] <on3pk_> Freddy1337, it is actually still giving me the "can't cd to username" error :(
[01:50] <Freddy1337> on3pk_: ls -ld /home/user plox
[01:50] <on3pk_> lemme log back in as root, one moment
[01:52] <Freddy1337> on3pk_: for future reference, the -m flag to useradd will save you some grief :)
[01:52] <on3pk_> drw-r--r-- 2 username root 4096 Mar 25 21:46 /home/username
[01:53] <Freddy1337> okay, and ls -ld /home
[01:53] <Freddy1337> also, try chown username:username /home/username
[01:53] <on3pk_> drwxr-x-r-x 3 root root 4096 Mar 25 21:46 /home
[01:55] <Freddy1337> also, is it can't cd to username: permission denied or ca't cd to username: directory doesn't exist
[01:55] <grahamsavage> Freddy1337, Bashing-om: thanks for the help
[01:55] <grahamsavage> reading now
[01:55] <on3pk_> Freddy1337, Could not chdir to home directory /home/username: Permission denied
[01:56] <Freddy1337> hmmmmm
[01:57] <Freddy1337> okay, try chmod o+x /home/username
[01:57] <Freddy1337> on3pk_:
[01:58] <on3pk_> Freddy1337, it still says can't cd to username
[01:59] <on3pk_> I suppose it isn't a big deal.  I just want to run a test server
[01:59] <Freddy1337> that's really strange
[02:00] <on3pk_> would it be easier just to delete the user and start over?
[02:00] <rypervenche> on3pk_: Run "namei -om /home/username"
[02:00] <rypervenche> on3pk_: Then pastebin the output and show us.
[02:02] <on3pk_> http://pastebin.com/DWAZkTrj
[02:03] <rypervenche> on3pk_: And give us "id username" as well.
[02:03] <sahil> What, if any, recommended way is there to run multiple instances of unbound on the same Ubuntu machine?
[02:03] <on3pk_> uid=1000(username) gid=1000(username) groups=1000(username),27(sudo)
[02:05] <rypervenche> on3pk_: Is that the actual username or are you changing it for us?
[02:06] <on3pk_> rypervenche, I'm changing it.
[02:06] <on3pk_> I figured I would remain consistent
[02:07] <rypervenche> on3pk_: Ok, run "ls -nd /home/username" for me please
[02:07] <on3pk_> drw-r--r-x 2 1000 1000 4096 Mar 25 21:46 /home/username
[02:08] <rypervenche> on3pk_: Hmmm
[02:09] <rypervenche> on3pk_: Ah, you don't have execute for your user
[02:09] <rypervenche> on3pk_: chmod 700 /home/username
[02:10] <rypervenche> on3pk_: Or 755 if you want other to be able to access it.
[02:10] <on3pk_> That might be useful
[02:11] <rypervenche> on3pk_: it changed in your previous output. You may have been typing in the output manually.
[02:11] <on3pk_> rypervenche, ah.  Sorry.  I missed one
[02:12] <scavmartin> What in Ubuntu is causing " SRC=0.0.0.0 DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=32 TOS=0x00 PREC=0xC0 TTL=1 ID=0 DF PROTO=2" I have already disabled multicast with ethtool on all adaptors.
[02:12] <scavmartin> It is a UFW block log line showing due to blocked traffic where the server itself is the source.
[02:12] <test__> Hi, everybody!
[02:12] <test__> How can I get some advice for my ibus-chewing problem?
[02:15] <rypervenche> Did test__ leave?
[02:16] <Bashing-om> yep, test-- did so leave, and with no warning either.
[02:19] <independent> I have the 12.10 demo on a live usb I accidentaly closed the laptop cover and now it asks me a username and password... what do I do ?
[02:20] <prepangolin> How to trace the ibus in code?
[02:20] <prepangolin> I want to know the ibus internal.
[02:21] <independent> I have the 12.10 demo on a live usb I accidentaly closed the laptop cover and now it asks me a username and password... what do I do ?
[02:21] <prepangolin> But I couldn't find the compile option
[02:22] <mario__> cant build ndiswrapper with 3.11 any ideas
[02:22] <prepangolin> independent>where did you get your live usb?
[02:22] <independent> i have got it on ubuntu download page
[02:23] <Bashing-om> independent: (??) The only time I have ever seen that requirement is when ubuntu is installed. Did You install ubuntu ?
[02:23] <independent> nope
[02:23] <independent> its live usb
[02:24] <independent> root:root and root:toor not working
[02:24] <Bashing-om> independent: Maybe, try leave the username blank, and for the password try it as ubuntu (//)
[02:25] <prepangolin> independent>how did you make live usb?
[02:26] <prepangolin> When you make live, you give password, didn't u?
[02:26] <independent> nope
[02:26] <independent> I have made usb with rufus
[02:26] <prepangolin> rufus?
[02:26] <independent> and 12.10 iso
[02:27] <Beldar> independent, Why 12.10?
[02:27] <prepangolin> Why don't you make live again:)
[02:27] <independent> it was the lastest
[02:28] <independent> or maybe im wrong on version number
[02:28] <Beldar> independent, !3.10 is latest
[02:28] <Beldar> 13.10*
[02:28] <independent> i dont want to make usb again because I installed Glype and apache
[02:28] <Electron> hello
[02:28] <on3pk_> Well.  I seem to have stopped nginx and can't get it started again
[02:28] <independent> if i restart ill lose everything
[02:29] <Electron> is it possible for a live usb stick that holds ubuntu to save files that you do on ubuntu on it?
[02:29] <Electron> in other words can the usb act like a harddrive for ubuntu?
[02:30] <Beldar> Electron, In two ways, a full install, or a iso load with persistence.
[02:31] <Beldar> most usb loaders have a persistent option
[02:31] <Electron> Beldar: Ideally, I want to save my changes on it, so I'm using a full install.
[02:31] <independent> leaving user null and password ubuntu doesnt work either
[02:33] <Bashing-om> Electron: see: -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD/Persistence
[02:33] <Stanley00> independent: I think the username is ubuntu and password is null, you just need to press enter
[02:34] <independent> Stanley00 thanks it worked
[02:34] <Stanley00> independent: you're welcome :D
[02:35] <Electron> Bashing-om: Thanks
[02:37] <otay> Is there a KDE version of Ubuntu 12 that will allow me to install to LVM?
[02:39] <otay> damnit
[02:40] <otay> you make me made 12.04
[02:40] <otay> *mad*
[02:40] <tux_> i had 12.04 before got 13 now
[02:41] <otay> 13 is soooo much way better
[02:41] <quebre> is there software for ubuntu for queued downloads ? so i can set that the downloads start at 1am and ends 7am ?
[02:41] <joaquim> i have ubuntu studio 13.10
[02:41] <Bashing-om> Electron: Hey, np. just regret in my memory I got it reversed . :D
[02:41] <otay> but alas, I don't get to decide which version I want
[02:41] <tux_> i tryed mint too but i like ubuntu
[02:42] <otay> I shouldn't say this here but you know which Debian-based distro is super good?
[02:42] <otay> Debian
[02:42] <otay> but that's not important :)
[02:44] <joaquim> later, i had the Keep-os, a debian-wheezy based. I think very bad
[02:44] <otay> ahh, I tried version 7. Seemed mega stable
[02:45] <joaquim> i don't know use this O.S
[02:45] <tux_> gonna be going to school soon  they stress windows i guess i will be the odd ball in that college
[02:47] <otay> stick with Linux (unless you really like windows). There's too many windows guys so the Linux folks are in demand
[02:47] <otay> dominating the mobile space
[02:48] <joaquim> do you have any course for ubuntu noob users?
[02:48] <joaquim> or books?
[02:48] <tux_> wouldnt have it any other way
[02:49] <otay> Honestly, it just takes raw time on the system. It's like flying ~ the more hours in the air, the better you are.
[02:49] <cfhowlett> joaquim, http://www.linuxine.com/linuxbooks
[02:49] <otay> (flying in an airplane not flying without because people can't really fly)
[02:49] <tux_> true that otay
[02:49] <otay> :)
[02:51] <joaquim> cfhowlett, thx
[02:53] <tux_> i wonder what 14 is gonna be like
[02:53] <otay> It sounds good
[02:53] <otay> I think it may be the one I finally like
[02:55] <otay> It would be good if there is a KDE spin
[02:55] <cfhowlett> !kubuntu
[02:56] <tux_> i really never did kde is it better than debian
[02:57] <otay> cfhowlett hey, that's what I'm looking for! If I can find it based on 12.04
[02:58] <otay> and there it is
[02:58] <otay> I should have come here sooner
[02:58] <cfhowlett> otay, kubuntu is an official distro.  http://www.kubuntu.org/
[02:58] <otay> and they even have alternate! So that's just what I need!
[02:58] <Stanley00> tux_: actually, kde is a DE, debian is a distro, you cannot compare them :D
[02:59] <joaquim> thanks folks! have all a good night!
[02:59] <otay> DE = Desktop Environment
[03:01] <otay> cfhowlett thx
[03:01] <cfhowlett> otay, happy to help
[03:02] <Lord-Ragnarock> Just in case the people at #plymouth aren't there, does anyone here know how to work with plymouth? :D
[03:03] <seednode> I do
[03:03] <Lord-Ragnarock> Oh, sweet xD
[03:03] <Lord-Ragnarock> PM? This room? Which works?
[03:03] <seednode> PM
[03:03] <seednode> Since it's OT
[03:13] <cfhowlett> !dual > cfhowlett
[03:13] <cfhowlett> !dualboot > cfhowlett
[03:14] <sakang> I have 2nd drive formatted to gpt.  what I don't understand is the 1st part is not showing under places but the 2nd is.  any ideas?  blkid is showing them all ok
[03:17] <sakang> also when I installed ubuntu first time grub installed but now it's complaining bec of BLOCKLIST error
[03:28] <JiHui_Choi> I wanna get a list of what packages I installed by myself without removed or purged. zgrep " install " /var/log/dpkg.log* shows only installed packages
[03:28] <JiHui_Choi> how can I get a proper list without removed or purged package name?
[03:32] <JiHui_Choi> ssomething like this. this doesn't work though.  zgrep " install " /var/log/dpkg.log* | grep -v {zgrep " purge " /var/log/apt/history.log* | cut -f4 -d' '}
[03:37] <DJJeff> do any of the ubuntu livecd come with "linux-firmware-nonfree"?
[03:40] <DJJeff> this claims to... but is only an installer not the full live cd
[03:40] <DJJeff> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
[03:41] <cfhowlett> DJJeff, that's a debian image = not supported here
[03:41] <DJJeff> oh.. haha so it is..... brain fart
[03:46] <jj995> what is a good way for my program to send /proc/cpuinfo along with program runtime to track performance of my app in the wild?  I was thinking email, but can I reliably send email without adding a username/password for smtp authentication to my python app?
[03:48] <psusi> jj995, if you want to have it connect to your own smtp server that requires no username/password, you could do that
[03:49] <psusi> but if you are going to do that you may as well use another protocol besides smtp
[03:51] <jj995> psusi: part of the problem is that I don't have any server.  this is for some open source work I'm doing with a lab, and they want to publish a paper and insist on collecting a bunch of perf measurements... I guess I could set up an amazon cloud server, but I'd rather not -- any easy free solution?
[03:53] <somsip> jj995: AWS will give you a micro server free for a year. Setup a simple API on that.
[03:55] <pcfreak30> Is there any reason a cron job would not run. I have one in webmin, and verified via crontab -e, yet it only runs when i manually run it and the command works fine
[03:56] <somsip> pcfreak30: lots of reasons. Paste it to paste.ubuntu.com and maybe someone can have a look for you
[03:57] <sudormrf> hey guys, quick question.  I have a network share mounted in the fstab and have defined the UID and GID.  I would now like to add an additional UID to this mount point, but I am unsure how to do this.  I tried adding the user to the same group, but that hasn’t worked.  Any suggestions?
[03:58] <linuxist> pcfreak30: agreed with somsip. There could be all manner of reasons, could you also paste the permissions of the file?
[04:00] <pcfreak30> im running it as the user its owned by
[04:00] <linuxist> jj995: you can use CURL to post XML data to another site that can store it in a log for you.
[04:00] <pcfreak30> i can run as root and its user fine
[04:00] <pcfreak30> but the cron does email the user account, doesnt error
[04:00] <pcfreak30> and i cant find any cron log, but the cron daemon is running
[04:01] <sudormrf> I can remount with the other user ID, but I would prefer it if I were able to keep the current user and add the additional user.  any help would be greatly appreciated.
[04:01] <DJJeff> if there is "non-free-firmware" is there also "free-firmware" that supports prism54? isl3886(pci)
[04:02] <psusi> jj995, well it is typical for debian systems to have a local smtp server installed and configured properly to forward email, but not so on Ubuntu, so this gets to be problemeatic
[04:02] <linuxist> pcfreak30: in your cron you can make it output to a log file so you can see what's going on, just add a "; date >> /var/log/mycron.log" to the end of it
[04:03] <psusi> jj995, given that, I think the only option if you want to use smtp using the user's server instead of your own dedicated one is to require that they supply the application with the required smtp server inforamtion, which may include a username/password.
[04:04] <sudormrf> alternatively, if I modify the UID for a user, will that break things?
[04:04] <pcfreak30> linuxist: does crond have access to /var/log if the command is running non root
[04:04] <linuxist> pcfreak30: you can always "touch /var/log/mycron.log; chown user.user /var/log/mycron.log" if it doesn't
[04:06] <sudormrf> ….
[04:09] <sudormrf> I guess I will just try some things and hope nothing breaks
[04:09] <sudormrf> yay
[04:10] <linuxist> sorry sudormrf, you are trying to mount a network share accessible to all users?
[04:10] <sudormrf> linuxist: yes.  alternatively allowing a specific additional user to the users able to access it
[04:10] <linuxist> sudormrf - what type of network share? NFS?
[04:11] <sudormrf> cifs
[04:11] <linuxist> oh - hahaha
[04:11] <linuxist> let me think
[04:11] <sudormrf> I was thinking of changing the UID and GID of the user that I would like to add to match the user that has access
[04:12] <sudormrf> then in the fstab changing the uid and gid info from the name of the user/group to the uid/gid numbers from usermod
[04:12] <sudormrf> would that break anything?
[04:12] <linuxist> you could make a new group which has both users in it
[04:12] <sudormrf> linuxist: I added the user in question to the same group, but that didn’t work
[04:12] <sudormrf> so would having duplicate UIDs for non-root users break anything?
[04:13] <linuxist> can you paste the output of "ls -al /path/to/your/share" (just the line with the directory in question)
[04:13] <linuxist> you can't have duplicate UID's - it will not let you (I think)
[04:13] <sudormrf> linuxist: that is the odd thing, its 775.  so this user should be able to write to this directory just fine.
[04:13] <sudormrf> but apparently they cant
[04:14] <linuxist> not necessarily
[04:14] <linuxist> the permissions will be goverened by the username,password information in the mount command (I think)
[04:15] <sudormrf> linuxist: when I didn’t specify the UID in the mount command, just the GID, the regular user couldn’t write to the drive.  Once I added the UID= to the fstab the user was able to write to the drive.  can you specify multiple UIDs in the fstab?
[04:17] <Jordan_U> sudormrf: What are the permissions of the files you're trying to write to? Why are you using a UID= mount option in the first place?
[04:17] <linuxist> why not just leave off all UID/GID arguments?
[04:17] <sudormrf> let me pastebin my fstab
[04:17] <sudormrf> hang on
[04:17] <linuxist> ok
[04:18] <sudormrf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7154799/
[04:18] <sudormrf> that is the fstab now
[04:19] <linuxist> have you tried without uid/gid options?
[04:19] <sudormrf> linuxist: let me give it a go.  I will create a test mount point and see what happens
[04:21] <Jordan_U> sudormrf: Did you see my questions?
[04:22] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: I did.  The permissions are 775, I had initially just had a gid in place and I couldn’t write to it without su, so I added UID.  testing without UID/GID now.
[04:23] <linuxist> try this: //mimir.vices.net/Public /media/Mimir_Public cifs auto,rw,nounix,iocharset=utf8,credentials=/root/.cifscredentials,file_mode=0775,dir_mode=0775 0 0
[04:23] <sudormrf> well no uid/gid didn’t work.  let me try what you are having me do linuxist
[04:24] <sudormrf> nope
[04:24] <sudormrf> still permission denied
[04:24] <linuxist> damn, sorry, out of ideas
[04:24] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: suggestions?
[04:24] <Jordan_U> sudormrf: Please pastebin the output of "ls -l /path/to/directory/you/cant/write/to/" "groups" and "touch /same/directory/test.file".
[04:25] <user> hey
[04:25] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: preface: this is using the mount suggestion provided by linuxist.  First link: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7154823/
[04:26] <user> hey whats up
[04:26] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: second link http://paste.ubuntu.com/7154834/
[04:26] <mark__> what channel can i get help installing:  checker-unix-0.95.tar.gz (1.6 MiB) .  i have a learning disability and not good with terminal
[04:27] <user> does anyone have a kik
[04:27] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: thrid link fails because it says I don’t have permission (obvious by output of ls-l)
[04:27] <linuxist> you could always try ,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777
[04:28] <sssslang> '/etc/init.d/networking restart' cannot bring down a nic which doesn't exist in /etc/network/interfaces?
[04:28] <rww> correct
[04:28] <sssslang> so how to apply the settings in interfaces file?
[04:29] <sudormrf> linuxist: I guess that will have to do.
[04:29] <sudormrf> linuxist: 777 seems to work.
[04:29] <Jordan_U> sudormrf: Why not "chgrp nick /directory/"?
[04:29]  * linuxist feels ashamed for such an ugly fix
[04:30] <zeroRooter> i was going to say chmod 777 but was afraid i would be jumped on
[04:30] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: so that changes the group for the directory?
[04:30] <user> hey does anyone to go penn manor high school
[04:30] <Jordan_U> sudormrf: Yes.
[04:31] <Jordan_U> !ot | user
[04:31] <cfhowlett> user, ? this is the ubuntu support channel -
[04:31] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: why would the “groups” command not display “users” ?
[04:31] <user> Jordan_U: what is ur real my
[04:31] <linuxist> user, they obviously don't teach capitalization of proper nouns at that school
[04:31] <user> name
[04:31] <cfhowlett> user,  do you have an ubuntu question?
[04:31] <greyfiend> Hi there, an upgrade just overwrote the sudoers file on a ubuntu install on a virtual machine, I can't see any way this is not now a bricked machine, any great ideas?
[04:32] <user> bec i go where to
[04:32] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: The reason I ask is because the user that I am trying to provide permissions to should be a member of the “users” group.
[04:32] <Jordan_U> sudormrf: Because you're not a member of that group.
[04:33] <linuxist> oh yeah, hahahaha "sudo usermod -a -G users nick"
[04:33] <user> hey jordan
[04:33] <user> richard:
[04:33] <linuxist> duh
[04:34] <jj995> psusi: I think I'm going to just hardcode the password in a new gmail account I setup just for this.  I don't think anyone will care enough to "hack" this gmail account, and if they do I'll setup something better
[04:34] <sudormrf> linuxist: wait wait wait.
[04:34] <sudormrf> the user I want to add to the group is not nick.  it’s a different user.  I have added the user to that folder and chmodded the folder
[04:34] <sudormrf> so I should chgrp the folder instead?
[04:34] <sudormrf> hmm
[04:34] <sudormrf> let me try that
[04:34] <linuxist> fun times
[04:35] <user> who does this in school
[04:36] <Jordan_U> user: This channel is for Ubuntu support questions only.
[04:37] <sudormrf> so the appropriate user is in the appropriate group and that GID is applied to the folder, but they still have no permissions to access the folder
[04:37] <sudormrf> I am at a loss.  Unless I grant 777 I don’t think this is going to work.
[04:39] <Jordan_U> sudormrf: Provide the ls, groups and touch output again.
[04:39] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: sec
[04:40] <Jordan_U> sudormrf: This time with ls -ld
[04:40] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: touch will not work with pastebinit
[04:40] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: this is why “You are trying to send an empty document, exiting."
[04:40] <sudormrf> I will do the others
[04:40] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7154867/ <- groups
[04:41] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7154872/ <- ls -ld
[04:41] <Jordan_U> sudormrf: command 2>&1 | pastebinit
[04:41] <Jordan_U> sudormrf: You're still not a member of "users".
[04:42] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: same thing
[04:42] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: that is strange, look at this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7154881/
[04:43] <Jordan_U> sudormrf: You need to log out and back in again, or bash -l.
[04:43] <mark__> what channel can i get help installing:  checker-unix-0.95.tar.gz (1.6 MiB) .  i have a learning disability and not good with terminal.
[04:43] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: ok.  hang on
[04:43] <The_Guy> hello all
[04:43] <mark__> not install but run it
[04:43] <The_Guy> hey mark
[04:44] <mark__> my real name is rosco
[04:44] <The_Guy> just a question for anyone. im thinking about getting ubuntu what should i know before messing with linux
[04:44] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: silly question.  How can I log out but keep my SSH connection?
[04:44] <MrCleanWithHair> crontab jobs were working until daylight savings time ticked off. now they run, but at the wrong time, and they strangely seem to be off in the wrong direction
[04:44] <MrCleanWithHair> any ideas?
[04:45] <mcpherrin> Is there a way to change the dhclient6 flags in /etc/network/interfaces? I want to enable the -P -N flags so I get prefix delegation
[04:45] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: nm
[04:45] <sudormrf> got it
[04:45] <sudormrf> ok now I am showing as a member of users
[04:45] <sudormrf> hang on
[04:46] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: still not working
[04:46] <arrith> mark__: !
[04:46] <mark__> hey
[04:46] <linuxist> MrCleanWithHair: is your tzdata package up to date?
[04:46] <The_Guy> no answer
[04:46] <The_Guy> wtf
[04:46] <arrith> mark__: listen carefully, i need you. to state the nature of the technical emergency
[04:46] <MrCleanWithHair> linuxist, yessir
[04:46] <mark__> no idea what that is
[04:46] <The_Guy> can anyone see my txt?
[04:47] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: to provide more background, I am trying to add a folder to my BTSync setup on my ubuntu server.  BTSync is complaining about the permissions.  I added btsync to the users group (as you saw), but it is still complaining about the permissions.
[04:47] <MrCleanWithHair> linuxist, first thing i did was check and reconfigure
[04:47] <mark__> arrith: frantic?  is that what you are looking for?
[04:47] <linuxist> The_Guy - just jump in - no prerequisite necessary except patience and a desire to learn!!!
[04:47] <Jordan_U> sudormrf: Output again please.
[04:47] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: of?
[04:47] <The_Guy> hi
[04:47] <The_Guy> all
[04:47] <linuxist> The_Guy - just jump in - no prerequisite necessary except patience and a desire to learn!!!
[04:47] <arrith> mark__: you want to install some software?
[04:47] <arrith> mark__: open up ubuntu software center and search
[04:48] <mark__> it is not there.   checker-unix is it
[04:48] <Jordan_U> sudormrf: ls, groups, touch
[04:48] <linuxist> The_Guy, if you don't have a spare computer, you can install Ubuntu as a virtual machine using the free and awesome VirtualBox
[04:48] <The_Guy> could i also do that from a disk?
[04:49] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: Again, pastebinit will not work with touch. but here are the other two links: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7154888/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/7154889/
[04:49] <The_Guy> can you tell me the main differences between windows and linux or ubuntu
[04:49] <alumno_> Hola
[04:49] <linuxist> Ubuntu is Linux
[04:49] <linuxist> as for the differences... just Google that one :)
[04:50] <The_Guy> i know but arent there different type sof linux
[04:50] <arrith> mark__: you might find something that is similar in the software center
[04:50] <MrCleanWithHair> The_Guy, too many to cover. kernel types, development models, and on and on and on
[04:50] <linuxist> there are many, many different types of Linux
[04:50] <arrith> mark__: to install from that .tgz file you need to compile something, and that's an advanced topic
[04:50] <linuxist> Ubuntu is good for beginners
[04:50] <The_Guy> wtf
[04:50] <linuxist> just jump in
[04:50] <alumno_> Alguien habla español?
[04:50] <The_Guy> ok y not
[04:50] <linuxist> download the ISO from http://www.ubuntu.com/
[04:50] <Jordan_U> sudormrf: If touch gave no output then it succeeded.
[04:50] <linuxist> I'm assumuing you're already running Windows
[04:50] <linuxist> just install VirtualBox in Windows
[04:50] <The_Guy> si
[04:51] <The_Guy> ok thanks
[04:51] <linuxist> http://www.instructables.com/id/Introduction-38/
[04:51] <linuxist> http://www.wikihow.com/Install-Ubuntu-on-VirtualBox
[04:51] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: it gave the output I told you it gave.  here, let me paste it: You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.
[04:51] <rww> ubottu: es | alumno_
[04:52] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: BTSync is still complaining about permissions
[04:52] <Jordan_U> sudormrf: That's output from pastebinit, because touch gave no output (because it succeeded).
[04:52] <The_Guy> what if i wanted to reformat and just have ubuntu
[04:52] <Jordan_U> sudormrf: Is it trying to create files or modify them?
[04:52] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: oh. BTSync still complains about permissions.  On the mount point with 777 it succeeds, with 775 it fails.
[04:53] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: Not sure what it does when just adding a folder to the sync pool.  It will have to do both eventually, I suppose.
[04:54] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: I am about ready to just give these things 777 and be done with it
[04:54] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: because 775 isn’t working
[04:54] <mark__> arrith: sorry, i was away.  the instructions say, "ownload and unzip the file, then run the checker script to start the application."
[04:54] <arrith> mark__: ok then. do that
[04:54] <mark__> sounds easy enough, right?  nothing about compiling.  just download/unzip and run.  how run it?
[04:54] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: unless you have another suggestion
[04:55] <Jordan_U> sudormrf: All files that need to be modified need to be members of the group, and you need to log out and back in again to start the BTSync process.
[04:55] <mark__> how?
[04:55] <mark__> what is command to change terminal to desktop?
[04:55] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: hmm.  I will try a reboot
[04:57] <Bashing-om> mark__: Generally key combo ctl+alt+F7 ....
[04:58] <sudormrf> Jordan_U: looks like it is working now.  Had to reboot because the btsync user was the one that was having the problem.  Looks to be sorted now.  Thanks for sticking with me!
[04:59] <FulciLives> I need some help with something guys. I set up a SFTP server in Ubuntu but Ubuntu is in VirtualBox (the host is a Win7 install). I can connect to it from Win7 but obviously that's the same computer or network. How do I connect from it via the internet (like if I was over at a friend's house using his computer)? Do I use my regular IP address for Win7? Internally the Win7 computer is 192.168.1.2 whereas the VBox Ubuntu 192.168.1.7
[05:00] <arrith> mark__: you gotta read up on the terminal
[05:00] <MrCleanWithHair> FulciLives, not 192.168.1.2
[05:01] <arrith> mark__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[05:01] <FulciLives> Yes I know that
[05:01] <MrCleanWithHair> or 192.168.1.7
[05:01] <The_Guy> wtf
[05:01] <FulciLives> I know I have to use my real IP address but what confuses me is will it see Win7 and Ubuntu in VirtualBox. Will that cause confusion?
[05:01] <FulciLives> As I understand both would have the same external IP address, right?
[05:04] <MrCleanWithHair> well, if you're connected to a router/modem and you don't have an atypical configuration, it'll get you to your router
[05:05] <MrCleanWithHair> FulciLives ^^
[05:05] <FulciLives> lol
[05:06] <FulciLives> yeah that still leaves me a bit confused I'm afraid
[05:07] <MrCleanWithHair> FulciLives, is your IP from your ISP static?
[05:08] <FulciLives> I'm not sure but I think it is, static that is. I mean it's always been the same exact number.
[05:09] <MrCleanWithHair> not the 192.168.*.* number, the IP address for the router
[05:10] <FulciLives> You mean my IP address as reported by a site like "whatsmyip" ?
[05:10] <aeon-ltd> yeah if that's the external ip
[05:10] <FulciLives> Yes that never changes
[05:11] <MrCleanWithHair> it will not be in the format 192.168.*.*
[05:11] <FulciLives> It's not
[05:11] <MrCleanWithHair> ssh username@my.global.ip.address:port
[05:12] <MrCleanWithHair> something along those lines
[05:12] <MrCleanWithHair> but I think properly you do -l and -p
[05:12] <FulciLives> ok
[05:13] <MrCleanWithHair> are your usernames the same on both?
[05:13] <MrCleanWithHair> if not, ssh -l username
[05:13] <FulciLives> No
[05:14] <MrCleanWithHair> but I use ssh and filezilla for ftp
[05:14] <FulciLives> Well I would be using filezilla STFP for this
[05:15] <linuxist> FulciLives: what type of network have you given your host in VirtualBox? Bridge or NAT?
[05:15] <FulciLives> Bridge
[05:15] <FulciLives> I can access it via Win7 (the host) using FileZilla
[05:15] <FulciLives> But then I'm using the internal IP of 192 ...
[05:15] <FulciLives> The point is to be able to access it remotely from another computer across the internet
[05:15] <linuxist> Yeah :) baby steps
[05:16] <linuxist> what about another machine on the local network?
[05:16] <FulciLives> Only got one computer
[05:16] <linuxist> what about a smartphone?
[05:16] <FulciLives> nada
[05:16] <linuxist> hahaha
[05:17] <linuxist> ok :)
[05:17] <FulciLives> Will I have to change it from bridge to nat for my purposes?
[05:17] <linuxist> no
[05:17] <FulciLives> okay
[05:17] <linuxist> bridge is the best for this
[05:17] <linuxist> NAT would just introduce another level of complexity
[05:17] <linuxist> so you've forwarded a port on your router?
[05:17] <linuxist> and allowed access to that port?
[05:18] <MrCleanWithHair> linuxist, i don't think he's made it that far
[05:18] <linuxist> baby steps :)
[05:19] <FulciLives> oh, grrrr
[05:19] <MrCleanWithHair> always
[05:19] <FulciLives> Well I changed it from port 22 to another port
[05:19] <FulciLives> But no I didn't think to do the router thing
[05:19] <linuxist> what type of router do you have?
[05:19] <FulciLives> netgear 3000 or something like that
[05:20] <FulciLives> computer is wired to it, not wireless
[05:20] <linuxist> Ok, so a toy router. Yeah, wired/wireless isn't important for this.
[05:20] <sssslang> hi there. how to make network settings exactly the same as in /etc/network/interfaces without restart?
[05:21] <FulciLives> Yes it was a $50 router at Best Buy that I got 2 years ago lol
[05:21] <linuxist> FulciLives: go to the web interface and forward port 2222 down to 192.168.0.<whatever> port 22
[05:21] <mark__> what is command to change to the desktop in terminal?  "cd/ desktop" doesn't work
[05:21] <linuxist> FulciLives: don't put public facing port 22 to your machine or you'll have to ward off an army of script-kiddies
[05:21] <MrCleanWithHair> 192.168.1.7 FulciLives
[05:22] <MrCleanWithHair> if thats the buntu you're trying to get to
[05:22] <FulciLives> I didn't use 22 ... I changed it
[05:22] <FulciLives> And  yes that's the Ubuntu internal IP
[05:22] <FulciLives> That's in Vbox
[05:22] <linuxist> Well, leave Ubuntu listening on 22 if you want and let the router do the work for you
[05:23] <FulciLives> I know how to log into my router and do port forward
[05:23] <linuxist> cool
[05:23] <FulciLives> Is that enough? Or will I have to do something in Ubuntu or Windows FireWall as well?
[05:24] <linuxist> not if it's bridged (I think)
[05:24] <FulciLives> ok
[05:24] <linuxist> what port are you using externally?
[05:41] <DQSII> just a suggjestion instead of using virtualbox why dont u dual boot ubuntu or get rid of windows all together is the best suggjestion :3
[05:46] <Simeon> goog morning :D
[05:49] <FulciLives> I had a friend try to connect from his computer
[05:49] <FulciLives> And he gets a "timed out" msg
[06:04] <mark__> it worked!
[06:07] <mark__> k.  now i have the folder.  i need to make sure i have java 6.  how do i do that?
[06:10] <w1d0wm8k4r> echo
[06:12] <agent_white> mark__: ` java -version 2>&1 | head -n 1 | awk -F '"' '{print $2}' `
[06:14] <agent_white> Or rather... `java -version` works well enough.
[06:17] <Simeon> agent_white: can u help me ?
[06:18] <Simeon> FulciLives: try to change nickname without any characters
[06:18] <StepNjump> Hi guys, I would need help.
[06:18] <Simeon> StepNjump:  i too :D
[06:18] <Simeon> StepNjump:  what is your broblem ?
[06:19] <agent_white> Simeon: With...? Don't ask to ask, just ask!
[06:19] <Simeon> agent_white: i have printer mg5450
[06:19] <StepNjump> Oh gosh... My distro is corrupted and I need to get it fixed otherwise I will probably end up loosing my data.. it's encrypted
[06:19] <Simeon> success to print
[06:20] <Simeon> StepNjump:  try sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:20] <Simeon> agent_white: but scanner not work ...
[06:20] <Simeon> successfull install scaner driver
[06:20] <Simeon> when i simple scan they say : scanner not found
[06:21] <StepNjump> Yes thank you Simeon but how do I get network support and how do I get to the terminal since the only thing that works is grub
[06:21] <Simeon> agent_white: and please step by step i m idiot :D
[06:22] <Simeon> StepNjump: what type is your network ?
[06:22] <Simeon> PPPoE ?
[06:22] <StepNjump> I connect my CAT-5 to my router
[06:22] <Simeon> on ubuntu machine  no network ?
[06:23] <StepNjump> Oh no, it's TCP/IP
[06:23] <Simeon> StepNjump:  open terminal alt+ctrl+t
[06:24] <Simeon> then sudo su
[06:24] <Simeon> log in
[06:24] <Simeon> and type - sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:24] <StepNjump> Simeon: what I'm trying to say is my X is no longer working...
[06:24] <Simeon> ahhh
[06:25] <Simeon> when you power on computer
[06:25] <Simeon> no graph
[06:25] <agent_white> Simeon: I don't think I could help you my friend. You know as much as I do about printers.
[06:25] <Simeon> !cups agent_white
[06:25] <Simeon> !cups
[06:26] <Simeon> agent_white:  i try everything
[06:26] <agent_white> Simeon: Well then you know how to get it going!
[06:26] <StepNjump> I went to terminal through grub... but I don't think there is network support through that
[06:26] <Simeon> agent_white: problem is ... printer working perfectly but scanner not :D
[06:27] <StepNjump> Simeon, if you are trying to install your printer.. this may help you... I finally installed my printer because there was a setting somewhere there was no authorization for printer to run on my system but I forget where that switch was...
[06:27] <StepNjump> then cups worked fine afterwards Simeon
[06:28] <agent_white> Simeon: I don't know my friend. I'm not familiar with Linux and printers, as I don't use them much. I would be researching as much as you.
[06:28] <StepNjump> if I do su myusername and typed my normal login password, would that unencrypt my data?
[06:31] <Simeon> StepNjump: printer works perfectly ... scanner driver not :D
[06:31] <Simeon> StepNjump: try without grub
[06:31] <Simeon> tty1
[06:31] <Simeon> logon
[06:31] <StepNjump> TTY don't work either!
[06:31] <StepNjump> none of them!
[06:32] <Simeon> toobad
[06:32] <StepNjump> Unbelievable
[06:32] <Simeon> before few yr i had a same problem
[06:32] <DQSII> so just wondering how many people are gonna switch from 12.04 to 14.04 right away ?
[06:33] <Simeon> i try to configure manualy video-card
[06:33] <agent_white> StepNjump: Sooo... I just glanced at what you were saying and say 'encrypt' and 'no X'... maybe check out https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_Entire_System#The_system_does_not_boot?
[06:33] <agent_white> Yes, it's for Arch Linux, but it's Linux. And their wiki is a fucking piece of magic.
[06:33] <agent_white> ;D
[06:33] <Simeon> agent_white:  :D
[06:35] <StepNjump> thank you agent_white
[06:35] <wldnl> hi
[06:36] <agent_white> StepNjump: Well I hope it's a start at least? Wish I could've been more help!
[06:36] <DQSII> i never encrypt my home folder during install btw cause i always ran into the same issue with ubuntu not booting
[06:37] <TerranceWarrior> how can I change window managers under ubuntu. all i really want is windows terminal scrollers that are SANE.
[06:38] <agent_white> TerranceWarrior: Just install the wm you want! Then log out, and log back in.
[06:38] <rww> TerranceWarrior: you could just remove a package to get that. one sec and I'll go look it up
[06:38] <agent_white> TerranceWarrior: You may want to look into tiling window managers, such as i3 and awesome.
[06:38] <jyo_> how can i check which port is open or not
[06:39] <agent_white> jyo_: `lsof -i`
[06:39] <tapout> anyone know how to find out which package provides 'lsraid' ?
[06:39] <DQSII> i never change my windows manager cause i love unity and compiz ?
[06:39] <Simeon> jyo_: it's easy
[06:40] <rww> TerranceWarrior: there we go, overlay-scrollbar. remove that and it should go away. if not, remove whichever liboverlay-scrollbar* you have too
[06:40] <rww> TerranceWarrior: then log out and back in and voila
[06:40] <jyo_> thanks agent_white , is there any command using telnet
[06:40] <Simeon> jyo_: another way is http://www.canyouseeme.org/
[06:40] <cesurasean1> hello guys.
[06:40] <FulciLives> If I have two different machines at home on the same Network and ISP then both have the same external IP (as I understand it) but different interal IP's so when trying to connect to one vs the other from outside the network I have to use my external IP but how do I choose which of the two to connect to interally from afar?
[06:40] <cesurasean1> i need to know how to upgrade precise to the developmental release of Ubuntu.
[06:40] <cesurasean1> what is the name of dev?
[06:41] <Simeon> FulciLives: for CSS questions ?
[06:41] <Simeon> :D
[06:41] <TerranceWarrior> rww: ok how?
[06:41] <FulciLives> I'm just trying to connect to a SFTP server I set up and I don't know how to do it from outside my network.
[06:41] <TerranceWarrior> rww: apt-get remove?
[06:41] <rww> TerranceWarrior: yep
[06:41] <cesurasean1> Bitcoin version 0.3.24-beta
[06:41] <cesurasean1> whoops
[06:41] <llutz_> FulciLives: you have a router at home? you need to setup portforwarding
[06:42] <Simeon> FulciLives: put one of them on port 22 it's SFTP
[06:42] <rww> cesurasean1: development version questions go to #ubuntu+1 until it's released, try there :)
[06:42] <Simeon> ftp on port 21
[06:42] <agent_white> jyo_: Just `telnet $IP $PORT` and see if you get anything.
[06:42] <cesurasean1> rww, what is the name of the developmental release at all times?
[06:42] <Simeon> FulciLives: from your router you can NAT port 21 or 22
[06:42] <FulciLives> Oh in my router's port forward I have 22 set to 192.168.1.2 but that's the wrong mahcine. The SFTP server is on 192.168.1.7 so I need to change it from .2 to .7 then, right?
[06:43] <TerranceWarrior> rww: nope, still there,do i have to reboot?
[06:43] <agent_white> tapout: `dpkg-query -S /path/to/lsraid`
[06:43] <Simeon> FulciLives:  yes
[06:43] <rww> cesurasean1: it doesn't have the same name at all times, it uses whatever name the next release will have (since it becomes the next release)
[06:43] <FulciLives> I'm such a dummie but that makes sense now lol
[06:43] <FulciLives> dummie for not realizing that earlier
[06:43] <cesurasean1> what is the newest release i can upgrade my precise to?
[06:43] <agent_white> TerranceWarrior: If you logged out, did you see below the "username" entry field an 'options...' button or otherwise?
[06:44] <FulciLives> Thanks for the help!
[06:44] <Simeon> FulciLives: try to set manuall or static  IP from inner network
[06:44] <rww> cesurasean1: wait until 14.04 comes out in April and upgrade to that then
[06:44] <rww> TerranceWarrior: dunno, it's been a while since I used Unity. logout, or reboot, or whatever. I'll probably be gone to bed when you get back, though
[06:44] <cesurasean1> rww, i need to now.
[06:44] <shafox> can i use trusty packages in precise ??
[06:44] <cesurasean1> what can i upgrade precise to?
[06:44] <rww> cesurasean1: That's unfortunate, since your alternative is 12.10 -> 13.04 -> 13.10
[06:44] <Simeon> cesurasean1: sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:45] <rww> which is three upgrades in a row, which sucks
[06:45] <Simeon> in terminal
[06:45] <rww> Simeon: doesn't do what he wants
[06:45] <TerranceWarrior> agent_white: didn't yet
[06:45] <cesurasean1> Simeon, im asking for the name of the release.
[06:45] <cesurasean1> so i can edit my apt files and run a proper upgrade using apt-get.
[06:45] <llutz_> !trusty | cesurasean1
[06:45] <cesurasean1> trustytahr then?
[06:46] <agent_white> TerranceWarrior: http://askubuntu.com/questions/162516/switching-window-manager-desktop-environments
[06:46] <rww> cesurasean1: editing sources.list to upgrade is not supported and will not work all that well, since Ubuntu doesn't test it and there are various quirks that the official tools work out. If you do it and it breaks, you get to keep both pieces and not ask here for help.
[06:46] <cesurasean1> sorry, i am a debian user, so im not used to the ubuntu lingo.
[06:46] <cesurasean1> rww, how do you suggest i upgrade then?
[06:46] <rww> cesurasean1: I already said.
[06:46] <rww> cesurasean1: that said, you're looking for "trusty" for the development release or "saucy" for the current release
[06:46] <cesurasean1> sudo apt-get upgrade doesn't upgrade to a new system.
[06:46] <rww> indeed it does not.
[06:46] <llutz_> cesurasean1: wait until trusty release, use "do-release-upgrade" then
[06:46] <cesurasean1> ah.
[06:46] <cesurasean1> i see.
[06:47] <Simeon> :D
[06:47] <TerranceWarrior> are /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib the only usualy choices in a dll search?
[06:47] <FulciLives> I have Lubuntu 14.04 Beta 1 on an old machine. Can I use the "do-release-upgrade" when the final version comes out to update it?
[06:47] <rww> ubottu: final | FulciLives
[06:47] <llutz_> FulciLives: you don't need, just dist-upgrade
[06:47] <rww> FulciLives: (and those questions go in #ubuntu+1 until final release, fyi)
[06:48] <FulciLives> thanks I just saw the other question which I thought was similar enough for mine heh
[06:48] <wh_hw> hi ,all ,how can i create a user named _mumudvb? and make /var/run/mumudvb RW by this user?
[06:49] <llutz_> wh_hw: sudo adduser username
[06:49] <llutz_> !permissions | wh_hw
[06:50] <wh_hw> llutz, and group ?
[06:50] <wh_hw> does ubuntu have an group named video ?
[06:50] <llutz_> wh_hw: addgroup
[06:51] <wh_hw> llutz, ok , thanks
[06:51] <llutz_> wh_hw: getent group
[06:51] <cesurasean1> thanks yall!
[06:51] <wh_hw> llutz, how to make /var/run/mumudvb RW by this user?
[06:52] <llutz_> wh_hw: see ubottus links about permissions.
[06:52] <wh_hw> llutz, ok , thanks
[06:52] <llutz_> wh_hw: chown it to the user
[06:53] <wh_hw> llutz, right , i try
[06:56] <wh_hw> llutz,  how can i change a group A user to group B ?
[06:56] <lickalott> guys...I'm have a HUGE brain fart.  Whats the best disk partitioner software
[06:56] <llutz_> wh_hw: adduser, addgroup, usermod,
[06:57] <lickalott> gparted!   good laud....
[06:57] <Simotek-Work> lickalott, gparted
[06:57] <lickalott> i need sleep
[06:57] <lickalott> i've been like that all day.  Couldn't remember someones name before.  I work/see the dude like 4 times a week.
[06:58] <akiva-mobile> Hey I am running 14.04, and am thinking of whether I should report this as a bug
[06:58] <himanshu> hi , I am installing ubuntu 13.10 . In process after selecting drive for installing. It shows me "No root file system is defined". Help needed.
[06:59] <akiva-mobile> when switching users, from guest to my main account, which is already active, it requires me to enter a password twice
[06:59] <akiva-mobile> himanshu, oh hey
[06:59] <akiva-mobile> that is easy
[06:59] <akiva-mobile> himanshu, so you are manually editting the partitions right?
[07:00] <himanshu> akiva-mobile: no, I have already created a partition with windows.
[07:01] <akiva-mobile> himanshu, uhmmmm? With windows you are talking about
[07:01] <akiva-mobile> how many harddrives do you have?
[07:02] <akiva-mobile> himanshu, btw, is english your first language?
[07:02] <wh_hw> llutz, thank you very much
[07:02] <himanshu> akiva-mobile: separate partition from sda1 .. sda7
[07:02] <himanshu> akiva-mobile: how to correct this?
[07:02] <akiva-mobile> himanshu, o_O sda7?!
[07:03] <akiva-mobile> himanshu, okay, so... I need to know where you are at in the installation process.
[07:04] <akiva-mobile> when it asked you to install ubuntu, you should have had 3 options:
[07:04] <akiva-mobile> Erase everything, and install ubuntu
[07:04] <akiva-mobile> Install ubuntu beside windows
[07:04] <akiva-mobile> and
[07:04] <akiva-mobile> Do something else (manually edit the partitions)
[07:05] <akiva-mobile> himanshu, Which one did you choose?
[07:08] <himanshu> akiva-mobile: how should I select that particular partition?
[07:08] <akiva-mobile> himanshu, ... what is your first language?
[07:09] <himanshu> akiva-mobile: How is that important here ?
[07:09] <akiva-mobile> I ask that, because you did not answer the question I asked you.
[07:10] <NinjaTux> Good morning! Would this be the right channel to ask about a crash on Ubuntu 13.10 where kern.log shows a crash in ATI Radeon driver? Or well, stack trace indicates so.
[07:10] <akiva-mobile> himanshu, if you want the short answer to how to fix this:
[07:11] <akiva-mobile> 1: restart computer
[07:11] <akiva-mobile> 2: Boot live CD, choose "Try Ubuntu"
[07:12] <akiva-mobile> 3: run installer, choose to manually edit partition table.
[07:12] <grahamsavage> i've been "trying" to use bittorrent (specifically deluge) on ubuntu 12.04 for about a year now and it's been pretty crap.. crashes all the time, deletes entire torrents, restarts partially completed torrents.... is there a reliable bitorrent client for ubuntu that works?  is there any tricks on making it stable (like adding a particular ppa or something)?
[07:12] <akiva-mobile> grahamsavage, two I like. The official one is "Transmission"
[07:12] <akiva-mobile> grahamsavage, it should already be installed.
[07:12] <grahamsavage> yep i've seen that installed... what's the other one?
[07:12] <akiva-mobile> grahamsavage, the other one is "Deluge"
[07:12] <himanshu> akiva-mobile: hmm .. thanks, it is Solved now.
[07:13] <akiva-mobile> grahamsavage, its cross platform
[07:13] <grahamsavage> ah yeah deluge just doesn't work :/
[07:13] <akiva-mobile> himanshu, o_O mmm okay :P
[07:13] <grahamsavage> i'll give transmission a go
[07:13] <akiva-mobile> himanshu, guess you figured it out
[07:13] <akiva-mobile> grahamsavage, I know what you mean with the bittorrent; its absolute rubbish.
[07:14] <grahamsavage> is it some generic library they are using? or just with all the torrent clients?
[07:14] <grahamsavage> i mean i've used utorrent on both windows and osx for years and they are rock solid
[07:14] <akiva-mobile> grahamsavage, Good Question; I do not know specifically, but considering that it is an open source technology
[07:15] <akiva-mobile> bleck, utorrent
[07:15] <grahamsavage> yeah open-source usually means better! :D   look at vlc
[07:15] <akiva-mobile> grahamsavage, ha, yah vlc is nice; always a good backup.
[07:15] <akiva-mobile> grahamsavage, the principle is really simple so it shouldnt be too hard to program a client yourself.
[07:16] <grahamsavage> grahamsavage,  yeah but if i followed that mentality i'd have to recode everything :D
[07:16] <akiva-mobile> grahamsavage, maybe its just me, but I found that with bittorrent and utorrent, they just feel... bundled or freeware.
[07:16] <grahamsavage> grahamsavage,  working on encrypted chat clients at the moment :D
[07:17] <akiva-mobile> grahamsavage, Oh interesting; for what chat framework?
[07:21] <grahamsavage> akiva-mobile, it's own.. we're doing as both a web-application and a mobile application.  It's 0 trust so basically only users have the encryption keys, server needs to know as little about the parties as possible.
[07:22] <grahamsavage> uses websockets as the main communication mechanism
[07:24] <akiva-mobile> grahamsavage, Sell a backdoor to the NSA, and make some dough.
[07:25] <akiva-mobile> ;]
[07:25] <grahamsavage> funny you should mention that.. we're trying to make it very hard for browser plugins to eavesdrop
[07:25] <grahamsavage> not that it'll make a difference with the nsa.. they'll have a OS level keylogger
[07:26] <grahamsavage> i like what schnieder said.. what steps can you take to stop the nsa getting on your computer if they want too.... schnieder: nothing.. if they want to get on, they'll get on
[07:37] <PatBateman> hi
[07:38] <PatBateman> is it possible that new update on my ubuntu made changes in the apache behaviour? I got a denied error on a php5.2 local website
[07:38] <PatBateman> "AH01797: client denied by server configuration"
[07:38] <PatBateman> had no problem before
[07:41] <somsip> PatBateman: what was upgraded?
[07:41] <llutz_> PatBateman: check /var/log/apt/history.log for any related packages/changes
[07:41] <PatBateman> ok checking
[07:42] <PatBateman> sure.. apache
[07:42] <llutz_> PatBateman: apt-get changelog <packagename>
[07:43] <somsip> PatBateman: in what way was it upgraded? What version changes where there, and what version of ubuntu are you on?
[07:43] <PatBateman> give a sec. making paste
[07:43] <jony> I have a shared folder in Ubuntu, but I can't execute any .exe inside it from a Windows, how can be solved this, please?
[07:43] <PatBateman> http://pastebin.com/uJwkRAFv
[07:44] <somsip> PatBateman: what version of ubuntu?
[07:44] <PatBateman> llutz_, somsip but all OK with new php websites (5.3, 5.4)
[07:45] <PatBateman> latest stable
[07:45] <PatBateman> 64bit
[07:45] <somsip> !info apache2
[07:47] <PatBateman> can I revert update?
[07:49] <jony> I have a shared folder in Ubuntu, but I can't execute any .exe inside it from a Windows, how can be solved this, please?
[07:51] <somsip> PatBateman: Changelog is not very revealing. Do you run mod_dav or do anythign weird with mod_log_config? http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/a/apache2/apache2_2.4.6-2ubuntu2.2/changelog
[07:51] <PatBateman> i have a default LAMP setup
[07:52] <PatBateman> i havent installed that manually, by me
[07:54] <somsip> PatBateman: probably worth working through the apache guide for these things then http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/ClientDeniedByServerConfiguration
[07:56] <PatBateman> better the link on the bottom
[07:56] <PatBateman> changes in config files in 2.4
[07:57] <somsip> PatBateman: yes, but the idea of dir access is explained on the first page, in case the idea is new to you
[07:57] <PatBateman> no I use that settings now
[08:03] <PatBateman> somsip: but apache error log shows: [Wed Mar 26 09:00:24.096265 2014] [access_compat:error] [pid 29920] [client 127.0.0.1:60990] AH01797: client denied by server configuration: /var/www/website/assets/images/favicon.png
[08:18] <Ascavasaion> If I connect with a Huawei wireless device... what is the conection known as... eg eth0, wlan0, lo, etc?
[08:18] <Ascavasaion> Nevermind
[08:18] <Ascavasaion> I just remembered to use ifconfig
[08:18] <Ascavasaion> Doh!
[08:18] <SrRaven-work> Hi there, I have ubuntu already installed on a Usb 3.0 drive. Now I want to "copy" it onto a SD Card, so both are the same version,whats the best way I could do this?
[08:19] <Ascavasaion> ppp0 it is :)
[08:21] <jony> I have a shared folder in Ubuntu, but I can't execute any .exe inside it from a Windows, how can be solved this, please?
[08:22] <karab44> jony: what shared folder do you mean?
[08:22] <llutz_> SrRaven-work: use rsync and change fstab after it, reinstall grub. or clone it using dd/cat
[08:23] <SrRaven-work> yeh I thought about DD
[08:23] <karab44> jony: second question, is windows remote computer, in the same lan or virtual machine on same computer?
[08:24] <jony> karab44, in ubuntu I have a folder with installation kits (.exe), I can access the share from windows, I can copy all the files, but I cannot execute any exe
[08:24] <jony> karab44, so I want to execute the files without copying first
[08:25] <f3lix> I think that's a Windows issue better asked in a Windows channel, but AFAIR from my time with windows you need to add the share to the "safe zone" or something like that… I think you get to the security settings through Internet Exploder of all places…
[08:25] <karab44> jony read my question carefuly and then answer my question. What shared folder do you mean? Are they network resources? SMB? NTFS ? What shared folder do you mean?
[08:25] <f3lix> I used to put my games on a Linux-backed Samba share, and I had that problem
[08:26] <jony> karab44, in Ubuntu a folder named "Kit" is shared by Samba
[08:26] <jony> f3lix, I have also an Ubuntu server but from there I can run directly any exe
[08:27] <jony> f33rx, only from the desktop Ubuntu I cannot share like that
[08:27] <f3lix> It works OOB in Windowses up to Vista, but from 7 on there's some new settings — at least for me
[08:27] <karab44> jony: stay focused. Answer my second question
[08:28] <f3lix> Something like this: https://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2012-May/167622.html
[08:28] <f3lix> And here: http://www.sevenforums.com/network-sharing/8550-executing-exe-files-mapped-home-server-drive.html
[08:29] <jony> karab44, I answered you already :), ok... that windows PC is in the same network, I can access the Ubuntu share, I can copy from there, but I cannot execute anything from there
[08:29] <karab44> don't lie to me because you didn't answer before
[08:29] <karab44> okay so
[08:30] <karab44> looks like you need to configure samba server I presume
[08:30] <jony> karab44, what needs to be edited there?
[08:31] <acagami> I want to remove office and graghics programms , to make Lubuntu faster , is that gonna damage the  system ??
[08:31] <karab44> etc/samba/smb.conf
[08:32] <acagami> ??
[08:32] <karab44> there you have some settings like readable browsable directory mask and create mask
[08:33] <f3lix> Does anybody know if there's a way to force update-rc.d to override the sequence number when creating rc?.d symlinks? Similar to how you can override LSB headers by putting them in /etc/insserv/overrides/, but for controlling the sequence. As it is now, the default is that everything is ordered as "20" if nothing else has been specifically set, and I'd like to override e.g. nginx's order so that it comes at 35 instead.
[08:33] <karab44> setting them to 777 is not recommended instead of that set special privilage for windows user you use for browsing these resources.
[08:33] <llutz_> acagami: why would removing that stuff make the system faster?
[08:33] <Ascavasaion> acagami, do not take my word on it, but I cannot see how removing office and graphics programs will damage the system.
[08:34] <karab44> so create account there for user ie Guest and set privilages for execution. Should work :)
[08:34] <karab44> them from windows you should always use this account for browsing these shares or your access will be limited
[08:34] <jony> karab44, before I set 777 to all of my /home, how can I change back to default?
[08:34] <karab44> WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?
[08:36] <karab44> try chmod -R with 760 flag as far as I remember
[08:36] <llutz_> f3lix: man update-rc.d (NN SS/KK)
[08:36] <f3lix> jony: To fix your permissions, run this command in a terminal window:
[08:36] <f3lix> find ~ -type d -exec chmod 755 "{}" \; ; find ~ -type f -exec chmod 644 "{}" \;
[08:37] <karab44> f3lix: and... what does it do?
[08:37] <llutz_> jony: +:   chmod 0700 ~/.ssh; chmod 0600 ~/.ssh/*
[08:37] <f3lix> It finds all folders in your home directory, then changes their permissions so that only you may write to them, then all files and does the same
[08:38] <f3lix> and yes, also do Ilutz' command, or ssh won't work
[08:38] <f3lix> do his after mine
[08:38] <karab44> well looks more elegant than mine proposition :)
[08:39] <f3lix> Anyone with any insight on init.d scripts?
[08:40] <helmut_> hi
[08:41] <llutz_> f3lix: man update-rc.d (NN SS/KK)
[08:41] <karab44> f3lix: just some basics... sorry mate
[08:41] <f3lix> Yeah, I know, but I'm wondering if I'm able to override the order that a given init script is given, similar to how you may override LSB headers
[08:42] <llutz_> f3lix: you override that by giving manual value for NN (or SS, KK)
[08:42] <f3lix> By overriding LSB headers, I may specify new runlevels, but not the sequence order, which defaults to 20
[08:42] <f3lix> Yep, but I'd like to override it for e.g. nginx and redis-server
[08:43] <f3lix> They both seem to let the system decide, so they end up at 20
[08:43] <f3lix> I'm wondering if there's a way to override that like I can override their LSB headers
[08:43] <llutz_> f3lix: seems you have to do it manually for the services you want, no automatism
[08:43] <f3lix> Yeah, that's what I'm sensing :)
[08:44] <f3lix> I tried to do some reordering at runlevel 1, but it seems I'm not allowed to change any files on the system at that runlevel
[08:44] <f3lix> Or I'm doing something else wrong.
[08:45] <f3lix> Also feels extremely hacky :D
[08:53] <reisio> :)
[08:53] <reisio> go ahead, speak
[08:59] <Guest11555> hi
[09:00] <Guest11555> can any one tell me how to do memory dump in  Linux
[09:01] <llutz_> Guest11555: dd if=/dev/mem of=/whatever
[09:06] <llutz_> Guest11555: forget it, won't work
[09:18] <f3lix> Is it possible to make sysv init (or upstart, I guess…?) "reload" inside a runlevel? Quirky question, I realize, specfically: If I use update-rc.d inside runlevel 1 to change the start order of a script that is to run in runlevel 2, then the change is made, but that script is never started in runlevel 2 — I assume because initv/upstart has already looked at what it's supposed to start in runlevel 2, and then attempts to read 
[09:29] <zetheroo> On a system which we do not want to shutdown, what would be the simplest way to backup the root disk? Would an rsync of / be sufficiant?
[09:30] <ccha> hello, I have a probleme about e2fsck and interactive mode
[09:30] <ccha> with -y, the e2fsck stopped at the 1st question
[09:30] <llutz_> zetheroo: rsync -aux   would do, but you still may have inconsistent files when backing up a running system
[09:30] <ccha> The filesystem size (according to the superblock) is 70778880 blocks
[09:30] <ccha> The physical size of the device is 48758784 blocks
[09:30] <ccha> Either the superblock or the partition table is likely to be corrupt!
[09:30] <ccha> Abort<y>? no
[09:31] <ccha> then if it's not inetractive, I reply no
[09:31] <ccha> later there are questions
[09:31] <ccha> Error reading block 48758816 (Invalid argument) while getting next inode from scan.  Ignore error<y>?
[09:31] <rspinuz> ccha: please use a pastebin for more then four lines.
[09:31] <zetheroo> llutz_: The main issue we have had is after a system update and a reboot the system will no longer boot ... cannot find root ... a total nightmare
[09:32] <rspinuz> zetheroo: Then rsync will not do you any good
[09:32] <zetheroo> llutz_: so I would like to backup the critical area of the system that has to do with the booting of the system before rebooting after an update
[09:35] <rspinuz> zetheroo: what type of filesystem?
[09:36] <reisio> well, rsync could help, but only in copying data you tell it to copy
[09:37] <rspinuz> reisio: No good for recovering a corrupt root or boot partition.  Shapshoots would be a better option.
[09:38] <reisio> snapshots?... are just copies of data
[09:38] <reisio> I think you mean "turnkey snapshot system"
[09:38] <reisio> yes, things that do 100% what you want without any effort are nice
[09:38] <rspinuz> http://www.tutonics.com/2012/12/lvm-guide-part-2-snapshots.html
[09:38] <Distraught> cpr to remote server on non standard porT?
[09:38] <reisio> http://random-blog.net/making-"fake"-snapshots-with-rsync-and-cron
[09:38] <Distraught> scp sorry
[09:39] <llutz_> Distraught: man scp (-P portno)
[09:40] <rspinuz> reisio: Was that site supposed to work?
[09:42] <reisio> rspinuz: nope
[09:42] <reisio> I could find a random blog that has such a thing, but it'd be a waste of time
[09:43] <reisio> data is data, doesn't matter what you call it or how you save it
[09:43] <rspinuz> reisio: kind of like the link
[09:43] <rspinuz> actually it does matter
[09:43] <reisio> what does?
[09:43] <rspinuz> the method of backing stuff up
[09:43] <rspinuz> and recovering it
[09:43] <reisio> nope
[09:43] <reisio> it either works or it doesn't
[09:44] <Distraught> llutz should nt this ask me for a password at some time?
[09:44] <rspinuz> allot when the system is running and needs to stay runing
[09:44] <reisio> rspinuz: again, only to the point of: it either works or it doesn't
[09:44] <llutz_> Distraught: if you use ssh passwords, yes
[09:44] <reisio> there are innumerable ways to make snapshots of a system
[09:44] <Distraught> i puted scp -rP theport theremoteserverfolder:thepath thelocalfolder
[09:45] <reisio> but as nice as snapshots are, it'd be nicer if Ubuntu could be updated reliably
[09:45] <reisio> especially since people are presumably actually being paid to test whether it can be
[09:45] <Distraught> scp -rP 440000 user@server:/home1/user/public_html/user* /var/www
[09:45] <reisio> unlike so many other distros you _can_ reliably update that have only volunteers supporting them
[09:46] <Distraught> What am i doing wrong please?
[09:47] <reisio> Distraught: what's the problem?
[09:47] <Distraught> scp -rP 440000 user@server:/home1/user/public_html/user* /var/www reiso
[09:47] <Distraught> It does not do any transfers
[09:47] <reisio> Distraught: what does it do?
[09:47] <rspinuz> reisio: You can always file a complaint:  http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/contact-us
[09:47] <Distraught> it should transfer the folder from thar remote server to my local path /var/www
[09:48] <reisio> rspinuz: I can think of more amusing ways to waste my time :)
[09:48] <reisio> Distraught: that doesn't answer my question
[09:48] <rspinuz> reisio: Or help fix the borken update:  http://www.ubuntu.com/about/contact-us
[09:48] <rspinuz> broken
[09:48] <Distraught> No it does not do a thing. Its just stuck there
[09:48] <rspinuz> Yet you complain about a bad product
[09:48] <reisio> rspinuz: that's easy: use Debian instead :p
[09:48] <reisio> Distraught: hit CTRL+c and try again
[09:49] <Distraught> reisio the command is right?
[09:49] <reisio> Distraught: you should get some output whether it's not working or working
[09:49] <reisio> Distraught: nothing happening suggests neither situation, really
[09:49] <reisio> your terminal may be stuck, your network could be confused, etc.
[09:50] <rspinuz> Distraught: Run this command and paste the link.     scp -rP 440000 user@server:/home1/user/public_html/user* /var/www | pastbinit
[09:50] <rspinuz> Distraught: Obviously replacing wint your server details
[09:51] <rspinuz> Distraught: scp -rvp please
[09:51] <reisio> pastebinit*
[09:51] <rspinuz> crap yes pastebinit
[09:51] <ufo> hello
[09:51] <reisio> ufo: ohai
[09:52] <Guest64380> reisio: Hello
[09:52] <reisio> Guest64380: ohio
[09:52] <Guest64380> I am nube
[09:53] <Guest64380> How is in  ohio
[09:54] <reisio> Guest64380: :)
[09:54] <Guest64380> nince
[09:54] <Distraught> reisio it just shows nothing. Blank row . I cant pastebin a thing man :S
[09:55] <reisio> Distraught: someone other than me asked you to pastebin
[09:55] <reisio> I suggested something else
[09:55] <JESUS_IS_LORD> reisio: Hello
[09:55] <reisio> JESUS_IS_LORD: heyo
[09:55] <JESUS_IS_LORD> reisio: Hello
[09:55] <JESUS_IS_LORD> reisio: Besides the cakes, he shall slay the beast.
[09:55] <reisio> JESUS_IS_LORD: so true
[09:55] <JESUS_IS_LORD> reisio: Hello
[09:55] <JESUS_IS_LORD> reisio: And if so be there may be hope.
[09:55] <reisio> JESUS_IS_LORD: yup, pretty much
[09:55] <JESUS_IS_LORD> reisio: Hello
[09:55] <JESUS_IS_LORD> reisio: How much less to him] to Ramoth-gilead.
[09:55] <reisio> JESUS_IS_LORD: hi again
[09:55] <JESUS_IS_LORD> reisio: Hello
[09:55] <JESUS_IS_LORD> reisio: And again he went away from him, Beth-el.
[09:55] <unopaste`> JESUS_IS_LORD you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[09:55] <JESUS_IS_LORD> unopaste`: Hello
[09:55] <reisio> :p
[09:55] <JESUS_IS_LORD> reisio: Hello
[09:56] <langemann> Spamtastic
[09:59] <itop>  please anybody give the good link to practice basic linux practical challenges not objective
[09:59] <thorsten_> someone is familiar with gammu?
[10:00] <Guest64380> gmmu ??
[10:00] <thorsten_> :)
[10:00] <thorsten_> okay
[10:01] <itop>  please anybody give the good link to practice basic linux practical challenges not objective
[10:01] <rspinuz> itop: try asking in the #linux channel
[10:02] <itop> ok in ubuntu practical challenges
[10:02] <itop> link?
[10:03] <Rory> itop: Configure a web server that you can log into and administrate remotely without a monitor
[10:03] <rspinuz> Still off topic
[10:04] <zetheroo> rspinuz: ext4 is the filesystem ... and I don't think we are dealing with a corrupt filesystem so much as the update having made an unwanted change to the boot setup ...
[10:04] <PatBateman> how to know which version of apache 12.04 has?
[10:04] <PatBateman> i want 2.2 for my vagrant box
[10:05] <Rory> PatBateman: 14.04 is released in a couple of weeks and it's long term support
[10:05] <reisio> PatBateman: packages.ubuntu.com
[10:05] <reisio> zetheroo: the old kernel is probably still there
[10:05] <PatBateman> oh thanks
[10:06] <zetheroo> reisio: booting from the old kernel did not solve the issue
[10:06] <PatBateman> reisio: nice, it has 2.2 by default which good for me
[10:06] <reisio> zetheroo: nice
[10:06] <zetheroo> reisio: also running the Boot Repair CD did not solve the issue
[10:06] <reisio> PatBateman: yes amazing :p
[10:07] <zetheroo> I can boot into initramfs ... and that's about it
[10:08] <tytan> Hey, I have a "problem" with bash. Why can't I see other  computers connected to my network but my own and the router with  "arp -a" ? :(
[10:09] <rspinuz> zetheroo: I sounds like grub is having an issue finding your root partition
[10:10] <zetheroo> rspinuz: yep - but how a system update would cause this is what bothers me most ... and the fact that running Boot Repair did not fix the issue ...
[10:10] <reisio> zetheroo: there are two solutions to the system update issue
[10:10] <rspinuz> big boom?
[10:10] <reisio> zetheroo: choose another distro, or take the choice of distro out of the equation and test your updates before you use them for production installs
[10:10] <reisio> only the latter is fullproof
[10:11] <reisio> ...but the former isn't the worst idea ever :p
[10:12] <zetheroo> reisio: I don't think we are going to change distro over this ... at least not just yet ... and yes, I plan to test out updates on a spare server before performing them on a productive server ...
[10:13] <zetheroo> however this time I had actually updated another 12.04 server without any issues after rebooting ... but when done on this server it messed things up ..
[10:13] <zetheroo> so even that is not a clear solution ... :P
[10:14] <reisio> zetheroo: that's sensible in general
[10:14] <reisio> but IME Ubuntu truly has updating problems that other popular distros haven't
[10:16] <zetheroo> that is truly a shame
[10:17] <jony> when I try to launch "find ~ -type d -exec chmod 755 "{}"", it tells me missng argument -exec
[10:17] <ActionParsnip> reisio: never had an issue, if you stick to the standard repos, you wont have an issue
[10:17] <zetheroo> Before boot drops to initramfs shall there is a message saying: ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/*UUID* does not exist.
[10:18] <zetheroo> *shell - not "shall" :P
[10:19] <reisio> ActionParsnip: yup, everyone who's ever had a problem updating Ubuntu was just doing it wrong...
[10:19] <reisio> all 50,000,000 of them
[10:19] <reisio> jony: usually you need to end -exec stuff with \;
[10:19] <reisio> jony: so's to not confuse your shell
[10:20] <zetheroo> reisio: which distro do you use as a production distro which will not get stuffed after updating?
[10:20] <f3lix> jony: You should copy paste the command I wrote exactly, those weren't typos ;)
[10:20] <jony> reisio, ty, it worked
[10:20] <jony> f3lix, ty for your suggestion, trying now :)
[10:21] <f3lix> np :)
[10:22] <reisio> zetheroo: AFAICT Ubuntu is the worst in this regard
[10:22] <reisio> almost any other popular distro would likely improve the issue
[10:22] <reisio> _but_
[10:22] <reisio> as I said, only doing your own staging will give you 100% assurances
[10:23] <trijntje> I made a clone of a disk using dd, and now I want to restore only the first partition. How can i find out the exact size of the first partition in bits?
[10:23] <reisio> trijntje: dd :p
[10:24] <trijntje> reisio, lol, thats a good point
[10:24] <trijntje> though it would take a while to dd the partition into /dev/null to count all the bits
[10:24] <reisio> I don't have my bookmarks handy, but you have to figure out the offsets is all
[10:25] <reisio> I don't think you quite have to do that, IIRC
[10:25] <llutz_> trijntje: fdisk -l foo.image, then use losetup with offset
[10:25] <trijntje> llutz_, Ill try that, thanks a lot!
[10:38] <Cyberai> I just changed a user from normal to an admin, now when they log in their entire home directory has been reset to what a new user would get (all of their files etc are gone) Home dir was encrypted. Can anyone help?
[10:38] <reisio> Cyberai: try changing them back to non-admin first
[10:39] <reisio> the data is probably still all fine, it's just not being loaded because the perms have changed
[10:39] <llutz_> Cyberai: HOW did you change the user?
[10:40] <Cyberai> llutz: I used the users and groups utility
[10:40] <reisio> probably ecryptfs and encfs both have as-root fuse compatibility options
[10:41] <zetheroo> Ok, I have made a couple screenshots .. hopefully they will shed light on where the issue is ... This shows the Grub boot entry settings:   http://tinypic.com/r/2j3pbao/8  .....  This shows the initramfs shell and the message before - as well as the output of blkid:  http://tinypic.com/r/2vhy9m9/8
[10:41] <llutz_> even that tool should only add the user to sudo/admin group and not mess with password/home/enc-settings
[10:41] <reisio> zetheroo: be simplest to fix it from a booted live OS
[10:41] <Cyberai> reisio: Nope - i switched them back to normal user and logged them out and back in - still not right
[10:45] <zetheroo> reisio: what would I once there?
[10:46] <reisio> Cyberai: output of 'groups'?
[10:46] <reisio> zetheroo: paste text instead of screenshots, run commands to fix it, etc.
[10:47] <Cyberai> reisio: as that user?
[10:47] <llutz_> Cyberai: groups username
[10:47] <reisio> Cyberai: yup
[10:47] <gr33n7007h> Cyberai, id user
[10:48] <Cyberai> llutz: reisio - "dburg : dburg"
[10:49] <llutz_> Cyberai: only usergroup left, congrats
[10:49] <zetheroo> booting from live CD now :D
[10:49] <Cyberai> llutz: I have no idea what that means
[10:49] <llutz_> Cyberai: getent passwd dburg
[10:51] <Cyberai> llutz: dburg:x:1001:1001:,,,:/home/dburg:/bin/bash
[10:51] <ljsoftnet> can somebody help me with mrtg (Multi-Router Traffic Grapher)
[10:52] <llutz_> Cyberai: find ~dburg -not -uid 1001
[10:53] <Cyberai> llutz: no results
[10:53] <reisio> does ecryptfs not have a dedicated group on Ubuntu?
[10:53] <indn1234> Hi all!
[10:54] <llutz_> Cyberai: did your user use encrypted home?
[10:54] <reisio> indn1234: heyo
[10:54] <Cyberai> llutz: yes
[10:54] <Tom1> how to increase typing speed?
[10:55] <Cyberai> llutz: there is a setup for them in /home/.ecryptfs
[10:55] <reisio> Tom1: practice
[10:55] <cfhowlett> Tom1, ??? move your fingers faster ...
[10:55] <reisio> Tom1: drugs
[10:56] <llutz_> Cyberai: i guess "ecryptfs-recover-private" + his passphrase is what you need
[10:56] <llutz_> he needs*
[10:57] <bokuno> Tom1: Typing without seeing.
[10:58] <Tom1> bokuno that;s really hard , how can one type withought seeing the keyboard?
[10:58] <reisio> Cyberai: grep -i ecrypt /etc/group 2>&1 && echo 'yes'
[10:59] <reisio> Tom1: more efficiently
[10:59] <cfhowlett> Tom1, this issue has nothing to do with ubuntu support, so please discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:00] <Tom1> bokuno: can i increase my typing speed significantly in a month?
[11:00] <cfhowlett> !ot > Tom1,
[11:01] <Cyberai> reisio: no results
[11:01] <reisio> Cyberai: mmm
[11:01] <cfhowlett> !ot | Tom1,
[11:01] <Tom1> or does it takes some time bokuno?
[11:01] <BoozeWooz> Hi
[11:02] <cfhowlett> BoozeWooz, greetings.  what is your ubuntu question?
[11:02] <reisio> Cyberai: so you said there's a .ecryptfs dir in the user's home?
[11:02] <BoozeWooz> I've set-up a webserver using ubuntu 12.04 LTS server edition, and everything runs fine (apache etc), except, sometimes the DNS lookup will redirect to the old webhost ?! http://network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=dnsrec&host=www.tsbvchikara.nl
[11:03] <cfhowlett> !server|BoozeWooz, you might ask the server channel ....
[11:03] <BoozeWooz> tnx!
[11:03] <Cyberai> reisio: There is a ".ecryptfs -> /home/.ecryptfs/maintenance/.ecryptfs" symlink.
[11:04] <Cyberai> reisio: I also noticed that when I logged in as them at the CL I got "Signature not found in user keyring
[11:04] <Cyberai> Perhaps try the interactive 'ecryptfs-mount-private'
[11:05] <Tom1> how long can i use ubuntu , withought the need of reformatting the computer?
[11:05] <reisio> Cyberai: and did you?
[11:05] <reisio> Tom1: as long as the hardware works
[11:05] <Cyberai> reisio: trying it now
[11:07] <Cyberai> reisio: So now it gets even more bizarre - I have recovered the encrypted home dir and it's empty
[11:08] <reisio> Cyberai: that seems pretty unlikely
[11:08] <reisio> du -hs /home/.ecryptfs
[11:08] <Cyberai> reisio: I'm running ecryptfs-recover-private again to see if there are two encrypted dirs out there now - one being the original, the second being a new one
[11:10] <Cyberai> reisio: 118G
[11:10] <reisio> Cyberai: okay, so the data's still there
[11:10] <Cyberai> reisio: second run of ecryptfs-recover-private only found the empty container
[11:10] <reisio> mm, well
[11:10] <Cyberai> reisio: not necessarily. There are other users on the system
[11:11] <reisio> it might be finding the right "container" and still not letting you view it due to permission issues
[11:11] <reisio> Cyberai: what all is in /home/.ecryptfs/ ?
[11:12] <indn|poochyena> Hey is it cool to dual boot Ubuntu and seven?
[11:12] <reisio> indn|poochyena: nope
[11:12] <cfhowlett> indn|poochyena, "cool"????  as in hep and trendy?  yes.
[11:13] <Cyberai> reisio: I did a "du -hs /home/.ecryptfs/dburg" and only got back 35M. That can't be right, this guy has at least 50G of data
[11:13] <reisio> Cyberai: doesn't answer my question
[11:13] <indn|poochyena> cfhowlett: wow. They told me i could never be hip and trendy. That'll show em.
[11:13] <reisio> of course what is hep and trendy is usually uncool :p
[11:13] <indn|poochyena> reisio: amen
[11:14] <Cyberai> reisio: drwxr-xr-x 4 joe         joe         4096 Mar 25 09:43 joe
[11:14] <Cyberai> drwxr-xr-x 4 maintenance maintenance 4096 Mar 25 10:26 dburg
[11:14] <Cyberai> oops
[11:15] <Cyberai> last line of that should read - drwxr-xr-x 4 dburg dburg 4096 Mar 25 10:26 dburg
[11:15] <otherworldlyenig> i am trying to install wine but it keeps telling me that i need libs or packages install that are already installed
[11:15] <reisio> Cyberai: no reason to suspect it's in one of those other dirs?
[11:15] <cfhowlett> otherworldlyenig, terminal: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade                          then run your wine install again
[11:15] <llutz_> otherworldlyenig: you are on a 64bit OS? you may need the 32bit lib-versions (libname:i386)
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> otherworldlyenig: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[11:16] <ihre> If I use only 1 partition (/) with MBR, is there an easy way to resize & clone this partition to a smaller disk? Or should I resize with gparted and clone partitions to a secondary drive using clonezilla? I'm not sure what happens with the MBR this way...
[11:16] <otherworldlyenig> um let me do all those right quick how do i send the out put of it
[11:16] <reisio> ihre: cloning is usually a waste of time
[11:16] <reisio> ihre: rsync is a good way to copy data
[11:16] <otherworldlyenig> i am on a 64
[11:16] <reisio> ihre: GRUB is easily installed afresh, but can be dd'd on its own in a pinch
[11:17] <Cyberai> reisio: I only have two dirs in the /home/.ecryptfs, one named "joe", the other named "dburg. The "joe" dir is 118G, the "dburg" is 35M.
[11:17] <llutz_> otherworldlyenig: "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures"  says what?
[11:17] <reisio> doesn't answer my question
[11:18] <indn|salamence> How much should i give to each of /home / and /swap?
[11:18] <indn|salamence> If in dualing with seven. And have ample hdd space?
[11:18] <otherworldlyenig> when i do that cat thing it says only this Ubuntu 13.10 \n \l
[11:18] <Cyberai> reisio: I'm not sure what you mean by "one of those other dirs" then
[11:19] <ihre> reisio: So I should recreate the partitions on a new drive, and just rsync using some live distro? I could dd with bs=512 count=1, regarding the MBR, but doesnt the MBR also include the actual partition sectors?
[11:19] <otherworldlyenig> dpkg --print-foreign-architectures says nothing
[11:19] <cfhowlett> indn|salamence, a vanilla install of the ubuntu OS runs about 7 gigs so say 10 gigs for / and perhaps 2X ram for /swap    put the rest in your  /home
[11:19] <llutz_> otherworldlyenig: sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f install
[11:19] <reisio> ihre: that's the most efficient way IME, yup, duplicate partitions, copy data, install boot loader fresh
[11:20] <ihre> reisio: Thanks, I'll give that a try then, it also seems the easiest option if I think about it :)
[11:21] <reisio> it's straightforward and flexible, IMO
[11:21] <otherworldlyenig> sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f install does not work
[11:24] <indn|salamence> cfhowlett: that'd run me down about 30gigs for Ubuntu alone
[11:25] <cfhowlett> indn|salamence, and the rest for data ...
[11:25] <reisio> ihre: you can dupe partitions pretty fast with sfdisk
[11:25] <reisio> probably with parted, too
[11:26] <reisio> but it's rare for partition layouts to be so complex for that to be really worthwhile
[11:26] <otherworldlyenig> is there anything else i can try
[11:27] <indn|salamence> cfhowlett: thanks
[11:28] <_spm_Draget> Anyone on ubuntu precise (12.04) and just updated to virtualbox 4.3.10 from the official ppa?
[11:28] <_spm_Draget> My VMs suddenly fail to start <.<
[11:28] <reisio> with what error?
[11:29] <cfhowlett> _spm_Draget, you're installing vbox from PPA?  why?
[11:30] <Rory> _spm_Draget: What error do you get when they fail to start?
[11:30] <_spm_Draget> Sorry, wrong channel
[11:30] <_spm_Draget> None, the VMs just hang when starting. But I intended to go into the #vbox channel, sorry.
[11:44] <Munster> good morning
[11:47] <marz> My OS no longer boots up after installation. Tried installing boot-repair and clicked on recommended repair, also tried installing the grub using this site: http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2010/10/how-to-restore-grub-2-after.html. Nothings seems to work.
[11:48] <ikonia> give the error, "no longer boots means nothing" and is about as good as me saying "make it work" to fix it
[11:50] <Tom1> hello ikonia
[11:51] <marz> Can anyone help me restore grub
[11:51] <ikonia> marz: what are you not clear on ?
[11:51] <marz> ikonia: After installing, it no longer boots up. Just a black screen with texts about ROM or something.  Tried installing boot-repair and clicked on recommended repair, also tried installing the grub using this site: http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2010/10/how-to-restore-grub-2-after.html. Nothings seems to work.
[11:52] <ikonia> marz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing
[11:52] <ikonia> marz: there is a section on re-installing/re-applying grub2
[11:52] <marz> ikonia: What? I have to reinstall the whole thing?
[11:52] <ikonia> rather than using random 3rd party sites which more often than not are written by someone who has no idea what they are doing
[11:52] <ikonia> marz: read the page I linked to, it explains how to manage grub in different situations
[11:53] <cfhowlett> marz, resinstall grub2 only, not the whole OS
[11:53] <ikonia> marz: just to confirm - that guide is rubbish
[11:53] <ikonia> (the one you where using)
[11:54] <ikonia> well, "weak" to be fair
[11:54] <marz> cfhowlett: when I try re-installing GRUB - I was following this site - http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2010/10/how-to-restore-grub-2-after.html, it says: grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of /cow.
[11:55] <cfhowlett> !grub|marz, you DID see ikonia's comments?  the guide you're using is wrong.  use the official guidance
[11:56] <marz> It says that it is a GPT
[11:57] <jayar> how do i tell which version of gnome i have
[11:57] <usr13> marz: Did you follow instructions from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub ?
[11:57] <ikonia> jayar: for what purpose, keep in mind, ubuntu uses unity as a shell ontop of gnome libraries
[11:58] <ikonia> so the gnome version may not be exactly what you are after, depending on what you are trying to do
[11:58] <cfhowlett> jayar, apt-cache policy gnome    see the "installed" note
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> marz: omgubuntu has a nice guide called 'sticking it to grub' as well
[11:58] <marz> When I run the command: "sudo grub-install /dev/sda" it says: grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of /cow.
[11:59] <ikonia> you've said that
[11:59] <ikonia> and you've been given CORRECT documentation to read
[11:59] <ikonia> have you tried READING that correct documentation ?
[11:59] <jayar> i'm just trying to tweak appearance, none of the 'login screen' tweaks i tried have worked
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> marz: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/live-usb-sticking-grub-2-video
[12:03] <k1l_> jayar: login screen is not gnome. its ligthdm or gdm
[12:03] <marz> When I do the command: "sudo fdisk -l" it says that the System is GPT, is that okay?
[12:03] <jayar> mkay
[12:03] <ikonia> no
[12:03] <ikonia> I'll leave this alone
[12:04] <jayar> but i thought the dif display managers came with dif versions of gnome...
[12:05] <k1l_> jayar: nope. displaymanager is something different than the desktop like kde, unity or gnome-shell
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> k1l_: unity and gnome-shell arent desktops
[12:06] <e01> any httrack gurus here?
[12:07] <toyotapie> Hello, I having serious performance issues on my laptop with newer kernels, but not with older kernels. I thought it was related to my graphics card, but the same driver is loaded in both cases ( radeon ). what is the correct way to go about fixing this ?
[12:07] <marz_> Still doesn't boot
[12:08] <marz_> My harddisk's filesystem became GPT after installatioN?
[12:08] <cfhowlett> marz, no it doesn't
[12:08] <cfhowlett> marz, by any chance, are you installing on a mac/hackintosh
[12:09] <marz_> cfhowlett: No
[12:09] <ikonia> it's going to be a big disk, eg: 2TB
[12:09] <ikonia> so the installer will make it gpt
[12:09] <marz_> cfhowlett: It is a Lenovo laptop with Windows pre-installed. I changed the partitions erased everything, no when I eneter the command "sudo fdisk -l" is says here that the System is GPT
[12:10] <jayar> everytime i search for a solution to this, i get sent in circles.
[12:10] <ikonia> jayar: a solution to what ?
[12:10] <cfhowlett> marz_, per ikonia, this is normal on your 2 T hdd system
[12:10] <jayar> changing the login screen.
[12:10] <marz_> cfhowlett: It only shows /dev/sda1 although I'm sure I have /dev/sda2 for "/" /dev/sda3 for "swap" and /dev/sda4 for "/home"
[12:11] <ikonia> jayar: look at what login screen you are using, k1l_ already told you it was lightdm
[12:11] <cfhowlett> !gpt
[12:11] <ikonia> jayar: which has nothing to do with gnome.
[12:11] <jayar> yea you guys know all about telling me what to look at, but not how to do it
[12:11] <ikonia> jayar: I've just told you what to do
[12:11] <ikonia> you're looking for the wrong thing - don't look for gnome, look for lightdm
[12:11] <jayar> i've searched all over for lightdm and tried many things with lightdm, and nothing works
[12:12] <ikonia> jayar: show me one of the links you are using for lightdm
[12:12] <marz_> I also tried installing Linux Mint, but it does the same
[12:12] <ikonia> jayar: lets see what you are using
[12:12] <ikonia> cfhowlett: secure boot ?
[12:12] <marz_> cfhowlett: Here's the pastebin Boot-Repair provided me. http://paste.ubuntu.com/7156195/ Can you please take a look at it
[12:12] <jayar> http://askubuntu.com/questions/75755/how-to-change-the-lightdm-theme-greeter
[12:12] <cfhowlett> ikonia, marz I don't have any experience with gpt so ... sorry
[12:13] <ikonia> jayar: what version of ubuntu are you actually using ?
[12:13] <jayar> 12.04
[12:14] <ikonia> can you pastebin your /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf please.
[12:14] <ikonia> jayar: ^
[12:14] <LordDeath> in KDE where do I have to adjust my PATH variable?
[12:14] <marz_> Can someone help me with this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7156195/ <-- this is what boot-repair gave me after I clicked on "recommended repair". My laptop still doesn't boot up
[12:14] <ikonia> back in a minute
[12:14] <LordDeath> export PATH=... works only for the current shell
[12:14] <LordDeath> and I want it for all of KDE
[12:15] <guest93944> Upgraded to 13.10 now ralink 5370 usb wifi won't connect although it detects my router
[12:15] <jayar> unity-greeter
[12:16] <akiva-mobile> marz_, Ive never had much luck with boot repair
[12:17] <Munster> boot repair can work on non EFI machines
[12:18] <Munster> older pc in other words
[12:18] <Munster> pcs
[12:18] <usr13> marz_: Have you tried legacy boot?
[12:20] <usr13> marz_: Interesting to note that lines 6 and 7 of your paste say, "No boot loader is installed in the MBR of /dev/sda." and "No known boot loader is installed in the MBR of /dev/sdb.
[12:21] <cfhowlett> usr13, he has a GPT setup not MBR
[12:22] <usr13> cfhowlett: And _____________?
[12:23] <usr13> !eufi | marz_
[12:23] <cfhowlett> usr13, so the line referring to MBR is spot on - no MBR on GPT - sadly I don't know how to set up grub on efu
[12:23] <cfhowlett> efi
[12:23] <usr13> !uefi | marz_
[12:24] <marz_> usr13: Oh Seriously?
[12:24] <usr13> cfhowlett: I've done it two times, didn't seem to have a problem.
[12:25] <marz_> usr13: My friend installed his ubuntu on his laptop with no problems
[12:25] <cfhowlett> usr13, help him out please
[12:25] <usr13> cfhowlett: We've given him the information
[12:26] <usr13> marz_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[12:26] <cfhowlett> usr13, thank you
[12:26] <usr13> NP
[12:26] <jayar> so... theres 3 lines. no need to paste bin. and the only thing that will tell you anything is the line that reads greeter-session=unity-greeter
[12:27] <Munster> marz_, my solution was to use legacy mode , and i wiped all windows partitions of the drive first, drastic but effective
[12:28] <usr13> Munster: I've done it both ways, wiping windows and leaving it, works either way, and yes, switching to leagacy mode works just fine.
[12:28] <thoonai> heyho, my sudo rule does not behave as it should. sudo rule: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7154036/ result on cmdline: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7154190/
[12:28] <Munster> usr13, right
[12:29] <usr13> Munster: But you have to make sure and leave the 1MB EFI partition, (the installer tells you that, so you just follow instructions as stated).
[12:29] <thoonai> if I don't set the user_alias VBOXOWNER, then its executed as root o.O
[12:30] <axizor> Hey guys, whats they best tool to use to recover a partition I accidentally deleted in gparted
[12:30] <axizor> i tried a program called testdisk but had no luck
[12:31] <Munster> usr13, I don't remember anything like that at all. I just repartitoned the drive to ext4 / , /home and swap
[12:32] <akiva-mobile> marz_, sorry I stepped away; did you get help?
[12:32] <Munster> usr13, I suppose that's for EFI mode installation
[12:32] <usr13> Munster: Well, it warns you not to delete the EFI partition if you try to, I think maybe that is what I saw.
[12:33] <Munster> usr13, ok
[12:33] <usr13> Munster: don't remember exactly.
[12:33] <akiva-mobile> axizor, do you remember what kind of partition it was?
[12:33] <axizor> akiva-mobile it was ext4
[12:34] <akiva-mobile> hummmm, do you think you can find the irc channel for that filesystem?
[12:34] <akiva-mobile> you might want to first try #kernel, or #btrfs
[12:34] <usr13> Munster: marz_ Looking at lines 317-321, "Warning: /dev/sdb contains GPT signatures, indicating that it has a GPT table.
[12:34] <usr13> However, it does not have a valid fake msdos partition table, as it should.
[12:34] <marz_> akiva-mobile: I am planning to reinstalling the whole thing
[12:34] <usr13> Perhaps it was corrupted -- possibly by a program that doesn't understand GPT
[12:34] <usr13> partition tables.  Or perhaps you deleted the GPT table, and are now using an
[12:34] <axizor> if it exists, i should be able to find it
[12:34] <usr13> msdos partition table.  Is this a GPT partition table?
[12:34] <cfhowlett> usr13, NO ... :)
[12:34] <akiva-mobile> marz_, yah that is what I suggest. Experience has told me that this is quicker in the long run (ironically)
[12:35] <marz_> usr13: I don't know, never had this problem before
[12:35] <akiva-mobile> axizor, good luck; I hope there was nothing important on that.
[12:35] <axizor> akiva-mobile important things on a hard drive? nah!
[12:35] <akiva-mobile> axizor, And remember; UbuntuOne to back up your files :P
[12:36] <axizor> jk, it was just non important media
[12:36] <thoonai> heyho, my sudo rule does not behave as it should. sudo rule: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7154036/ result on cmdline: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7154190/
[12:36] <akiva-mobile> axizor, yarrr ;)
[12:36] <usr13> marz_: Me neither, but have installed on UEFI computers a couple times with no problem.  I'm not sure what *your* problem is... yet.
[12:36] <axizor> i hate software, im waiting for a proper raid array
[12:36] <akiva-mobile> axizor, uhhmmm, on raids
[12:36] <akiva-mobile> axizor, you might want to consider btrfs
[12:37] <usr13> marz_: Munster  See lines 324-326
[12:37] <nrdb> why does dash show no applications at all when I try to search for one.
[12:37] <akiva-mobile> axizor, unless you are a performance hound; xfs is the best
[12:37] <axizor> not a performance hound at all
[12:37] <akiva-mobile> axizor, unless I am mistaken; btrfs groups your drives in the same vain as zfs
[12:37] <usr13> marz_: Munster But... also note the ?  at the end...
[12:37] <axizor> just as long as the hard drive doesn't turn into a speed bottleneck
[12:38] <axizor> i just need it as fast as my gigabit lan in my house :)
[12:38] <akiva-mobile> been a year since I was looking into it, so I am a bit vague, but btrfs will couple your harddrives and do automatic parity etc
[12:38] <axizor> i'll look into it, thanks
[12:39] <akiva-mobile> axizor, yah I have heard amazing things. good luck
[12:39] <k1l_> be aware of the issues with btrfs.
[12:39] <akiva-mobile> k1l_, such as?
[12:39] <usr13> marz_: Munster  What does "overlayfs" mean?
[12:40] <marz_> akiva-mobile: I'm repartitioning my hardisk, is this okay? /dev/sda1 for efi, /dev/sda2 ext for "/" /dev/sda3 for "swap and /dev/sda4 for "/home"?
[12:40] <akiva-mobile> marz_, what distro you using?
[12:40] <k1l_> akiva-mobile: that is quite a long list
[12:40] <marz_> akiva-mobile: I'm trying linux mint now, but if I get it to work, I'm planning to install Ubuntu side by side
[12:40] <usr13> marz_: You should also check the health of the HD.
[12:41] <akiva-mobile> marz_, and you would only mount /home if you are specifically needing some fs feature
[12:41] <MonkeyDust> marz_  what's the output of    cat /etc/issue
[12:41] <marz_> MonkeyDust: I'm still in the process of the installation
[12:41] <akiva-mobile> marz_, so for example, some people would partition /var in reiserfs because it handled small files quite well
[12:41] <usr13> marz_: But you can still look at the file /etc/issue
[12:41] <nrdb> marz_, why use separate partitions... use kvm instead
[12:41] <marz_> nrdb: what's kvm?
[12:41] <usr13> marz_: cat /etc/issue Tell us what it says.
[12:42] <marz_> usr13: all it displays is "Linux Mint 16 Petra \n \l
[12:42] <guest93944> Is it possible to use Ralink 5370 usb wifi in ubuntu 13.10?  (I'm using Lubuntu 13.10 actually only to find the wifi isn't connecting).
[12:42] <usr13> !mint | marz_
[12:42] <marz_> akiva-mobile: I'm a noob, so I'm not quite sure what you are saying about having /var in reiserfs
[12:42] <akiva-mobile> marz_, so /home... is this supposed to be on a seperate harddrive.
[12:42] <ActionPa1snip> guest93944: if you run:  sudo lshw -C network   do you see the interface? Does it have a drive module loaded for it?
[12:42] <marz_> akiva-mobile: No, just a separate partition
[12:43] <nrdb> marz_, sorry thats lvm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_%28Linux%29
[12:43] <k1l_> akiva-mobile: what? reiserfs?
[12:43] <ActionPa1snip> marz_: mint is not supported here
[12:43] <MonkeyDust> marz_  your in the wrong channel, that's why we can't help you
[12:43] <akiva-mobile> marz_, okay thanks. Generally, you do not need to put /home on a seperate partition. You can if you want to, but I would advise just having one large "/" partition.
[12:43] <akiva-mobile> k1l_, lol old yah I know.
[12:43] <ActionPa1snip> akiva-mobile: support for mint is offtopic here
[12:44] <akiva-mobile> ^ agreed. I'll pm you
[12:44] <usr13> akiva-mobile: I advise just the oposite, (I use separate /home/ partition).
[12:44] <k1l_> akiva-mobile: please advice of the known issues with that FS if you suggest them
[12:44] <akiva-mobile> k1l_, I'm not recomending reiserfs :P
[12:44] <akiva-mobile> anyways ~
[12:44] <marz_> ActionPa1snip: We're not talking about Linux Mint in particular, we are talking about partitions
[12:45] <k1l_> *sigh*
[12:45] <ActionPa1snip> marz_: its still under mint, which is not supported here
[12:45] <akiva-mobile> marz_, yah its ot; don't take offense;
[12:45] <marz_> ActionPa1snip: Sorry, my original problem was about ubuntu, I'm sorry.
[12:46] <usr13> marz_: When you do a Ubuntu install, come back and we will try to help. Okay?
[12:46] <guest93944> ActionPa1snip:  I can only see the ethernet interface listed.   lsmod reveals rt2800usb and rt2x00usb loaded.
[12:46] <ActionPa1snip> guest93944: if you run:  lsusb   what is the 8 hex character ID of the USB device?
[12:47] <usr13> marz_: And I recommend Ubuntu over LinuxMint, (pretty sure you will have and easeir go of it in the overall sense). But for now, join the LinuxMint IRC channel, they can help you better.
[12:50] <marz_> usr13: I went there, it's a ghost channel. Hehehe
[12:50] <BlackDeath> hi all... anyone able to advise me about virtualbox
[12:50] <cfhowlett> !vbox|BlackDeath,
[12:51] <cfhowlett> BlackDeath, #vbox is the channel for you
[12:51] <BlackDeath> thanks cfhowlett
[12:51] <jayar> i figured it out... its an entire process with gsettings
[12:51] <usr13> marz_: ... that is part of the reason I said that you will have an easier go in the overall sense ...
[12:52] <guest93944> ActionPa1snip: lsusb reveals a device "1908:0226 GEMBIRD".  I managed to get "lshw -C network" to output something:  description: Wireless interface.  configuration: broadcast=yes driver=rt2800usb driverversion=3.11.0-18-generic firmware=0.29 link=no multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11bgn.
[12:52] <usr13> marz_: with Ubuntu
[12:52] <lng> Hi! How do I avoid Gnome fallback mode?
[12:53] <ActionPa1snip> lng: dont log in to it...
[12:53] <usr13> lng: Choose your DE at login. (Log out and back in.)
[12:53] <cfhowlett> lng, avoid?  reboot.  at the login screen, choose "ubuntu" session.  login
[12:53] <usr13> lng: It will remember your last login.
[12:54] <ActionPa1snip> guest93944: not seeing that ID online, if you unplug it, wait a few seconds then jam it back in, is it ok?
[12:54] <usr13> cfhowlett: ... if he doesn't use auto login ...  otherwise, he will not be given the  choice.
[12:54] <k1l_> lng: install the video drivers if needed. fallback gets choosen if you dont have 3d support
[12:54] <cfhowlett> usr13, autologin?  I forget that people actually do that ...
[12:54] <lng> I see
[12:55] <lng> thanks
[12:55] <usr13> lng: And also note that you can install other Desktop Environments, like xfce or lxde (xubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-desktop).
[12:56] <guest93944> ActionPa1snip:  Strange, now it's not showing after i plugged it in again.  I'll reboot with it plugged in and lsusb again.
[12:56] <_box> Hello? I am running in low resolution mode and am unable to change it from the settings. I remember trying to install nvidia drivers jest beforee this happened.
[12:57] <usr13> _box: You may need to rename or remove /etc/X11/xorg.cof
[12:57] <_box> Which options
[12:58] <_box> ?
[12:58] <_box> Oh wait...
[12:58] <usr13> _box: Or, if the Nvidia install was ok, just use the nvidia-settings GUI menu.
[12:58] <lng> Hi again! I have an issue with tray icons - many of them are not shown. Xchat and HexChat, for instance. Here is my desktop vew - http://i.imgur.com/zdx1g45.png
[12:58] <_box> That won't work, it says something about xorg.conf anyways.
[13:00] <usr13> _box: or nvidia-xconf
[13:00] <nrdb> why does dash show no applications at all when I try to search for one.
[13:00] <usr13> _box: or nvidia-xconfig
[13:00] <lng> I tried this solution - http://askubuntu.com/questions/45793/xchat-disappearing-after-minimize-to-tray , but could not find Chatting → Alerts
[13:00] <usr13> nrdb: Cuz dash is dumb
[13:00] <_box> Command not found. Should I install them?
[13:01] <usr13> _box: We don't know.
[13:01] <lng> do I need to upgrade?
[13:01] <usr13> lng: Possibly,  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:02] <tzo_> hi. im new as a linux ubuntu user and i have a problem. i use ubuntu 2 weeks and today i cant see some icons. and my folders are all white. can anyone help?
[13:02] <_box> I don't recall the installation going well. I was wondering if installing proper nvidia optimus drivers would do it.
[13:02] <usr13> _box: We don't know.
[13:02] <guest93944> ActionPa1snip:  Rebooted with my wifi plug in.  It detects my belkin router but won't connect.  lsusb says:  148f:5370 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter
[13:02] <lng> usr13: it was run already
[13:02] <_box> tzo_ redownload and burn a new image. It seems corrupted.
[13:03] <usr13> lng: Then what did you mean by, "do I need to upgrade?"  ?
[13:03] <tzo_> i try that . ty
[13:03] <lng> usr13: I think Ubuntu 12.04.4 is a bit old
[13:03] <MonkeyDust> lng  it's LTS
[13:03] <usr13> lng: No it's not.  12.04.4 is supported through 2017, but too old for what?
[13:04] <lng> usr13: I see, 13.10 is not LTS
[13:04] <usr13> lng: correct
[13:04] <cfhowlett> lng, if you want or need b/leading edge go with 13.10 and be prepred to upgrade every 9 months.  otherwise LTS
[13:04] <MonkeyDust> lng  14.04 will be
[13:04] <usr13> lng: 14.04 is
[13:04] <usr13> ... or will be
[13:04] <AcidRain> hello all. i woke up today to log into my website. and i get some errors
[13:05] <lng> is it normal tray look? http://i.imgur.com/zdx1g45.png
[13:05] <AcidRain> after restarting my computer to do a backup of all of the files. i get cannot copy file x to x, errrno: 5
[13:05] <AcidRain> any suggestions?
[13:05] <Rubas> Is it possible to install ubuntu on another machine through another ubuntu machine?
[13:05] <MonkeyDust> Rubas  sounds like PXE to me
[13:06] <guest93944> Does canonical monitor this room for user feedback bugfixing?
[13:06] <k1l_> !bugs | guest93944
[13:06] <usr13> lng: Are you using Unity?
[13:07] <usr13> lng: What is your CPU, and how much RAM do you have?
[13:07] <AcidRain> Cannot copy file from /media/AcidShower/FTP/jkdf2/mail.php~ to /root/.local/share/Trash/files/mail.php~. (Errno: 5)
[13:07] <AcidRain> anyone?
[13:07] <usr13> lng: What Desktop Environment are you using?
[13:07] <AcidRain> i get that error on MOST of the files. some files it will still let me copy
[13:08] <usr13> lng: I would suggest xfce
[13:08] <lng> usr13: why unity? it is gnome
[13:08] <usr13> !info xubuntu-desktop | lng
[13:09] <Rubas> MonkeyDust: Thanks, checking it out :)
[13:09] <lng> usr13: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3537U CPU @ 2.00GHz
[13:10] <ActionPa1snip> or just install xfce4, rather than the metapackage which will duplicate functionality
[13:10] <lng> usr13: 8G of RAM
[13:11] <usr13> lng: It's been my experience that xfce is more user friendly and efficient.
[13:11] <lng> usr13: never used that
[13:11] <usr13> lng: It's what I use.
[13:11] <lng> oh
[13:12] <lng> I see
[13:12] <usr13> lng: Try it, you might like it.
[13:12] <usr13> lng: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[13:12] <ActionPa1snip> lng: or:  sudo apt-get install xfce4
[13:12] <lng> shall I reinstall all the apps after dat?
[13:13] <ActionPa1snip> usr13: xubuntu-desktop will install an extra text editor, CD burner, Office productivity and so forth, apps for these are already installed so you will duplicate package functionalty. More packages to update
[13:13] <AcidRain> can anyone please help me with this error. im getting scared
[13:13] <AcidRain> lol
[13:13] <vanadis> oh hai
[13:14] <lng> thanks!
[13:14] <vanadis> if i install the latest beta of 14.04 , will i be able to update to the regular LTS version as soon as it arrives or is this going to be problematic?
[13:15] <MonkeyDust> vanadis  ask in #ubuntu+1
[13:15] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: what is the error?
[13:15] <AcidRain> rm: cannot remove `Pictures.txt~': Read-only file system
[13:16] <AcidRain> ActionPa1snip,  Cannot copy file from /media/AcidShower/FTP/jkdf2/mail.php~ to /root/.local/share/Trash/files/mail.php~. (Errno: 5)
[13:16] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: why are you messing with root's trash?
[13:17] <AcidRain> ActionPa1snip, im just trying to make this drive work :(
[13:17] <paramecium> hello everyone, I was trying to install lamp stack..something must have gone wrong. I've reinstalled it several times meanwhile, but each time I get this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/7156633/  and the password is not accepted, saying that maybe it's wrong or already exists.
[13:17] <AcidRain> i got this error after waking up this morning
[13:17] <lng> xfce looks like kde
[13:17] <AcidRain> ActionPa1snip, on my internal drive labeled "AcidShower" it wont let me copy/delete/rename files
[13:17] <paramecium> I mean the mysql password
[13:17] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: is it mounted writable?
[13:18] <AcidRain> ActionPa1snip, hang on
[13:18] <ActionPa1snip> paramecium: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[13:18] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: why did you not check that first....
[13:18] <AcidRain> ActionPa1snip, how do i check this?
[13:18] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: mount
[13:19] <paramecium> hello ActionParsnip, I've gotten your help yesterday! :) the output is : Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS \n \l
[13:19] <FallenMirror> Help, please.
[13:19] <FallenMirror> I have a fast question.
[13:19] <ActionPa1snip> paramecium: I'd asl ask in #mysql they may be able to advise
[13:19] <cfhowlett> FallenMirror, no details = no answer
[13:19] <paramecium> ok ActionParsnip, I will move on there!
[13:19] <FallenMirror> When I press the wheel of my mouse in order to fast-scrolling in Chrome, it doesn't work.
[13:20] <timmytimtimo> i need help?
[13:20] <cfhowlett> timmytimtimo, do you?
[13:20] <MonkeyDust> timmytimtimo  let'sz hear it
[13:20] <cfhowlett> !ask|timmytimtimo,
[13:20] <timmytimtimo> am new in ubuntu
[13:20] <evenflow> hey, i have a string aaa/bbb/ccc i want to remove the first aaa/ so im left with bbb/ccc , im able to get to /bbb/ccc with sed 's/[^/]*//' but not sure how to remove the first slash
[13:20] <timmytimtimo> i dont know how to install application
[13:21] <k1l_> evenflow: try #bash
[13:21] <ActionPa1snip> evenflow: cut may be useful here
[13:21] <FallenMirror> When I press the wheel of my mouse in order to fast-scrolling in Chrome, it doesn't work. How can I solve it? ._.
[13:21] <MonkeyDust> timmytimtimo  use software center, or apt-get install
[13:21] <evenflow> ok ill try a different channel
[13:21] <k1l_> timmytimtimo: use the softwarecenter
[13:21] <AcidRain> ActionPa1snip, errr... how do i determien which drive is "AcidShower"?
[13:21] <MonkeyDust> AcidRain  sudo blkid
[13:22] <ActionPa1snip> FallenMirror: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[13:22] <lng> How do I add an icon to the launcher bar in xfce?
[13:22] <AcidRain> /dev/sdb2: LABEL="AcidShower" UUID="c53c8458-5975-4296-8865-a00b37083f4f" TYPE="ext3"
[13:22] <AcidRain> ok. hang on
[13:22] <paramecium> ActionParsnip, at mysql I get an error that says  "#mysql: cannot send to channel" when I post my question.
[13:22] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: mount | grep sdb2
[13:22] <paramecium> do you have any idea how I can fix it?
[13:23] <AcidRain> /dev/sdb2 on /media/AcidShower type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks)
[13:23] <Pici> !register | paramecium
[13:23] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: try:   sudo mount -o rw,remount /dev/sdb2
[13:23] <AcidRain> ActionPa1snip, accordign tto this my drive is mounted as rw already...
[13:23] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: the command will make doubke sure
[13:23] <ActionPa1snip> *bouble
[13:24] <ActionPa1snip> you get the idea
[13:24] <cfhowlett> ActionPa1snip, :)
[13:24] <AcidRain> ActionPa1snip, it wont let me unmount it. says the drive is busy
[13:24] <timmytimtimo> i wanna to install cpu-checker. have downloaded it to my flash drive. how can i install it from flash drive
[13:24] <MonkeyDust> timmytimtimo  keep it in the channel please... open the socftware center a,nd install what you like or want, no need to "download" anything
[13:25] <cfhowlett> timmytimtimo, this ^^^^
[13:25] <timmytimtimo> am on software center
[13:25] <k1l_> timmytimtimo: first rule is not to load stuff from websites but to use the programs that ubuntu already ships for you
[13:25] <MonkeyDust> !find cpu-checker
[13:26] <cfhowlett> !info cpu-checker
[13:26] <k1l_> timmytimtimo: why dont you just serach for cpu-checker in softwarecenter or user apt-get install cpu-checker  ?
[13:27] <AcidRain> any other suggestions/
[13:27] <lng> In xfce, there's the bar at the bottom with few icons... How do I add some apps there for quick launch?
[13:27] <ActionPa1snip> timmytimtimo: does:   cat /proc/cpuinfo     tell you enough?
[13:28] <timmytimtimo> have try apt-get install cpu-checker. it display error E: unable to locate cpu-checker
[13:28] <AcidRain> umount: /media/AcidShower: device is busy.
[13:28] <AcidRain>         (In some cases useful info about processes that use the device is found by lsof(8) or fuser(1))
[13:28] <cfhowlett> timmytimtimo, use software center !!!
[13:28] <MonkeyDust> timmytimtimo  what's the outpit of   cat /etc/issue
[13:28] <MonkeyDust> output*
[13:28] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: if you run:  pwd   is it in that folder?
[13:29] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: run:   cd    first, then the command I gave
[13:29] <timmytimtimo> ubuntu 13.10
[13:30] <k1l_> !paste | timmytimtimo please use this for the terminal output including the command
[13:30] <AcidRain> ActionPa1snip, i ran "pwd" it returned: /media/AcidShower/FTP/jkdf2
[13:30] <MonkeyDust> timmytimtimo  do this first:    sudo apt-get update
[13:30] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: thats why then
[13:30] <Rubas> Hehe
[13:30] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: you are sat in the mount, so you cannot unmount it
[13:31] <AcidRain> ActionPa1snip, what does that mean?
[13:31] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: you can't pickup something if you are stood on it. Same theory here
[13:31] <AcidRain> errr...
[13:31] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: so if you run:  cd     your pwd will change to $HOME
[13:31] <timmytimtimo> am not connected to internet
[13:31] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: which is not in the mount point, you can now do the remount
[13:31] <AcidRain> ActionPa1snip, ok... so how do i fix this? im rly scared that this drive is failing
[13:31] <ActionPa1snip> timmytimtimo: does:   cat /proc/cpuinfo     tell you enough?
[13:32] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: it just needs remounting, like I said....
[13:32] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: you can always unmount it and fsck it while it is unmounted to check the data is consistent
[13:32] <MonkeyDust> timmytimtimo  connect the pc to the internet, then try again
[13:32] <timmytimtimo> i wanna to setup virtualization
[13:32] <timmytimtimo> okay
[13:33] <AcidRain> ActionPa1snip, i appreciate your help. but im not sure i understand your solution
[13:33] <AcidRain> ActionPa1snip, should i add it to fstab and reboot?
[13:33] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: run:   cd; sudo mount -o rw,remount /dev/sdb2
[13:33] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: like I said.
[13:34] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: cd   so that your pwd is not in the mountpoint, and was stopping you remounting it last time, then the command to remount it
[13:34] <AcidRain> mount: cannot remount block device /dev/sdb2 read-write, is write-protected
[13:35] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: is this an SD card?
[13:35] <AcidRain> ActionPa1snip, no. its an internal hdd. 750GiG
[13:35] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: or some other device with a 'write protect' switch?
[13:35] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: then unmount it and run an fsck on it, make sure the data is good
[13:35] <AcidRain> ActionPa1snip, lol... it wont let me unmount it...
[13:36] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: sudo umount /dev/sda
[13:36] <ActionPa1snip> oops
[13:36] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: sudo umount /dev/sdb2
[13:36] <AcidRain> its /dev/sdb2
[13:36] <ActionPa1snip> ^
[13:36] <AcidRain> i tried that
[13:36] <karimazondo-peet>  youtube-dl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMUDVMiITOUi'm trying to use pastebinit to download something - this is the error i am getting:http://paste.ubuntu.com/7156719/
[13:36] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: what is output?
[13:36] <AcidRain> umount: /media/AcidShower: device is busy.
[13:36] <karimazondo-peet> never mind, that isn't showing the error
[13:36] <timmytimtimo> can i setup virtualization on ubuntu desktop 13.01?
[13:37] <ActionPa1snip> AcidRain: then something has a file open on the drive. I'd just reboot
[13:37] <karimazondo-peet> i'm getting a lot of python errors when trying to use youtube-dl
[13:37] <cfhowlett> !vbox|timmytimtimo, and it's 13.10 ...
[13:37] <MonkeyDust> timmytimtimo  yes, you can use virtualbox
[13:37] <AcidRain> i just did a reboot :/
[13:37] <ActionPa1snip> timmytimtimo: yes install virtualbox and you can spin up VMs as you desire
[13:37] <AcidRain> ActionPa1snip, my thing is. should i add it to fstab as rw, since i dont have it in fstab. and then reboot?
[13:38] <MonkeyDust> AcidRain  btw, xpud freezes completely in vbox, here
[13:38] <timmytimtimo> can't i use KVM?
[13:38] <MonkeyDust> ActionPa1snip   btw, xpud freezes completely in vbox, here
[13:38] <BAMbanda> Hi, I'm having problems with dpkg whenever I want to install something
[13:38] <cfhowlett> timmytimtimo, vbox does the job and it's much easier to use
[13:39] <MonkeyDust> timmytimtimo  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM
[13:39] <dannyzb> I have a job to build an extendable file storage-sharing service like dropbox or mega.co.nz , which filesystem/OS would you use for that ? (and to stay extendable) - just regular FS with server nodes and file nodes , a cluster or a grid?
[13:39] <UncleHerodes> Yesterday I was with a Russian girl
[13:39] <cfhowlett> UncleHerodes, wrong channel
[13:39] <BAMbanda> dpkg: error processing linux-image-3.8.0-35-generic (--configure):
[13:39] <BAMbanda>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[13:39] <BAMbanda> Errors were encountered while processing:
[13:39] <BAMbanda>  linux-image-3.8.0-35-generic
[13:39] <UncleHerodes> She sucked my dick and I sucked her vagina
[13:39] <MonkeyDust> UncleHerodes  nice, but not in this channel, please
[13:39] <cfhowlett> !ops|UncleHerodes,
[13:39] <AcidRain> ActionPa1snip, im rebooting now. ill let you know how it goes. i wont mount anything until ive tried to access AcidShower and delete or create a file
[13:40] <BAMbanda> my ultimate goal is to get otr for xchat
[13:40] <cfhowlett> BAMbanda, your machine is choking on the (probably latest) kernel.  reboot and use an earlier one.
[13:40] <Guest51366> 谢谢
[13:41] <cfhowlett> !cn|Guest51366,
[13:41] <karimazondo-peet> listen here, i have an issue with youtube-dl, there are some python exceptions (about ten of them) everytime i try to use it
[13:42] <karimazondo-peet> so... is there something you might know about that
[13:42] <AcidRain2012> ActionPa1snip, ok. im on the box that contains the drive.
[13:44] <timmytimtimo> after running this "egrep -c '(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo" it show 4, what is the meaning
[13:46] <MonkeyDust> timmytimtimo  read on that same page: "If 1 or more it does - but you still need to make sure that virtualization is enabled in the BIOS. "
[13:47] <AcidRain2012> ActionPa1snip, it appears that i am successfully copying 10GiG of data. thank GOD!!!
[13:47] <AcidRain2012> now i dont care what happens to this drive :)
[13:47] <AcidRain2012> ActionPa1snip, nvm. failed :(
[13:49] <AcidRain> sudo mount -o rw,remount /dev/sdb2
[13:52] <AcidRain2012> ActionPa1snip, An error occured while accessing 'AcidShower', the systme responded: The kernel driver for this filesystem type is not available.: Error mounting: mount: wrong fs type. bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb2, missing codepage or helper program, or another error in some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so
[13:53] <AcidRain2012> ActionPa1snip, http://pastebin.com/QFmBB5mm
[13:53] <AcidRain2012> or anyone else who can help
[13:53] <xreal> Hi there. Where can I find the current ubuntu kernel patches as diff/patch files?
[13:54] <BAMbanda> If I delete "linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic", and a bunch of other "linux-image" from: /var/lib/dpkg/info, what are the consequences?
[13:54] <ubuntu_help_pls> I'm trying to update the version of PHP on my Ubuntu server to be the latest
[13:54] <BAMbanda> I'm having a problem upgrading, installing and everything in between?
[13:54] <BAMbanda> :(
[13:55] <ubuntu_help_pls> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[13:55] <ubuntu_help_pls> E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
[13:55] <ubuntu_help_pls> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[13:55] <ubuntu_help_pls> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[13:55] <gr33n7007h> ubuntu_help_pls, sudo
[13:55] <cfhowlett> BAMbanda, you probably have more than one kernel.  if that one is funky, reboot to a dfiferent one, purge and reinstall
[13:55] <kSwit> BAMbanda, intresting
[13:55] <BAMbanda> cfhowlett, I don't have more than one kernal, I checked on grub
[13:56] <AcidRain> does anyone know how i can recover this drive?
[13:56] <cfhowlett> BAMbanda, O
[13:56] <AcidRain> i HAVE to have all of the data on it
[13:56] <cfhowlett> BAMbanda, open terminal and run this:    dpkg --get-selections|grep linux-image
[13:56] <ubuntu_help_pls> gr33n7007h: I tried with sudo in front, it still didn't work :(
[13:57] <usr13> AcidRain: Did you run filesystem check on it?
[13:57] <ubuntu_help_pls> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-updates/main/i18n/Translation-en_US.bz2  Unable to connect to archive.ubuntu.com http: [IP: 91.189.91.13 80]
[13:57] <cfhowlett> ubuntu_help_pls, you interrupted an apt process and your system is locked.
[13:57] <ubuntu_help_pls> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-updates/restricted/i18n/Translation-en_US.bz2  Unable to connect to archive.ubuntu.com http: [IP: 91.189.91.13 80]
[13:57] <ubuntu_help_pls> W: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[13:57] <ubuntu_help_pls> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[13:57] <usr13> AcidRain: Unmount it and run filesystem check on the drive.
[13:57] <BAMbanda> cfhowlett: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7156829/
[13:58] <cfhowlett> BAMbanda, and THOSE are all your kernels.
[13:58] <gr33n7007h> ubuntu_help_pls, sudo apt-get update first it tell's you in the error
[13:58] <ubuntu_help_pls> gr33n7007h: that is the output of "sudo apt-get update"
[13:58] <BAMbanda> cfhowlett, but how do I boot to a different one, i dont' have those options in grub
[13:59] <usr13> AcidRain: sudo umount /dev/sdb2;sudo fsck -y /dev/sdb2
[13:59] <cfhowlett> BAMbanda, so - again - reboot.  choose "use older version" or similiar in advanced grub options.
[13:59] <AcidRain> ok. hang on. usr13 thsi wont deleete anything will it/.
[13:59] <AcidRain> ?*
[13:59] <BAMbanda> alright, i shall return
[14:00] <ubuntu_help_pls> anyone?
[14:00] <usr13> AcidRain: Unmount the drive and run filesystem check on it.
[14:00] <gr33n7007h> ubuntu_help_pls, sudo -i become root
[14:00] <AcidRain> usr13, yes sir. give me a sec
[14:00] <nlko> if i download mini.iso can i set full disk encryption at install time?
[14:00] <nlko> or does it have to be alternative install cd?
[14:01] <cfhowlett> nlko, that is one of the options available during mini install
[14:01] <ubuntu_help_pls> gr33n7007h: I have done that, and it still doesnt work with apt-get update
[14:01] <usr13> AcidRain: THere are filesystem errors on it so we do not know if the data on it is recoverable or not so the best advise I can give you is to run  fsck ( check / try to repair filesystem errors).
[14:01] <ubuntu_help_pls> I also tried downloading from the php website but I can't work that out either
[14:01] <nlko> cfhowlett: thanks
[14:02] <AcidRain> sudo umount /dev/sdb2;sudo fsck -y /dev/sdb2
[14:03] <AcidRain2012> usr13, im getting error on just about every block
[14:06] <usr13> AcidRain2012: It's goint to take a while and may not be succesful.
[14:06] <AcidRain2012> usr13, at the end. it gives me the option to fix. should i do this?
[14:06] <AcidRain2012> omg
[14:06] <AcidRain2012> it did it on its own
[14:06] <AcidRain2012> AcidShower: ********** WARNING: Filesystem still has errors **********
[14:06] <AcidRain2012> AcidShower: 13/45146112 files (0.0% non-contiguous), 2883910/180576768 blocks
[14:08] <AcidRain2012> usr13, what should i do now? is if fixable? i just want my files back
[14:08] <usr13> AcidRain2012: I don't know.
[14:11] <usr13> AcidRain2012: Not much we can do about a failing hard drive, (that is why regular backups are important) We can never really trust a computer, there could be failure at any time.
[14:12] <antagomir> My Ubuntu It has worked fine. Last night I turned the laptop off (as every night). This morning I turned it on and logged in. After login, I have an empty screen. I can open the terminal with ctrl-alt-t as usual, and open browser etc from command line. But the desktop system does not seem to work. How to fix this?
[14:13] <akiva-mobile> AcidRain2012, sorry I just glanced; what filesystem were you running? Perhaps you want to check their appropriate irc channel
[14:13] <rodrigorios> algum br?
[14:13] <AcidRain2012> akiva-mobile, ext3
[14:13] <akiva-mobile> AcidRain2012, wow so this must be quite old then
[14:13] <MonkeyDust> !br
[14:13] <AcidRain2012> akiva-mobile, id say its 3yrs old
[14:14] <akiva-mobile> AcidRain2012, I do not know where the ext developers hang out, but I would try both #kernel and #btrfs first, and see if they can help
[14:15] <akiva-mobile> AcidRain2012, if you have any hope, it would be there. Was the data important that you lost?
[14:15] <akiva-mobile> antagomir, which ubuntu are you running?
[14:15] <AcidRain2012> akiva-mobile, all of it was important :(
[14:15] <ubuntu_help_pls> can anyone here help with installing php?
[14:15] <ubuntu_help_pls> i have the errors from trying to install it
[14:15] <antagomir> akiva-mobile 14.04 but i have understood this is a more general problem
[14:16] <akiva-mobile> ubuntu_help_pls, php? Really?
[14:16] <toddm> lol yah if u have trouble installing php, please, for the sake of the entire dev community, dont write code in php
[14:16] <ubuntu_help_pls> akiva-mobile: Yes I need PHP
[14:16] <akiva-mobile> AntORG, oh interesting. You definitely want to go to ubuntu+1 and see if you need to report a bug. This could be really crucial for canonical
[14:16] <akiva-mobile> ubuntu_help_pls, what distro are you running?
[14:17] <akiva-mobile> ubuntu_help_pls, what version of ubuntu are you running?
[14:17] <sully_> I have gotten a mac pro and would like to dual boot ubuntu on it to use some software available on ubuntu, i was wondering how this is possible. i have installed the rEFInd 0.7.8 but every time i try and boot into the live usb i have made from the legacy loader it says i need to update the firmare, but since this is a new system everything is up to date
[14:18] <Rory> akiva-mobile: I don't know, whatever was on this server
[14:20] <akiva-mobile> sully_, Apple is a very frustrating company like that
[14:20] <gplaco> hello everyone, I'd like to install user manual for gimp. how can I do it? because when I select user manual it says "You may either install the additional help package or change your preferences to use the online version."
[14:20] <akiva-mobile> RoryHughes, sorry were you ubuntu_help_pls?
[14:22] <akiva-mobile> gplaco, what version of ubuntu are you running?
[14:23] <usr13> akiva-mobile: His choices are pretty clear, (he probably already made the decision).
[14:24] <akiva-mobile> gplaco, Short answer though is 1: download "Synaptic Package Manager" as that often lets you see more libraries related to packages. I just checked: the gimp documentation is available in several different languages.
[14:24] <akiva-mobile> gplaco, 2: choose your packages and install. 3: if problem persists, report a bug to the gimp team
[14:25] <akiva-mobile> usr13, sorry? Who?
[14:25] <usr13> akiva-mobile: gplaco  But never mind, the answer you gave is very good either way...
[14:27] <akiva-mobile> usr13, Thanks :P I am always afraid someone will scold me for not telling them to sudo apt-get install stuff, instead of relying on an old software management program.
[14:27] <kyrgyz9> ok, not sure how to phrase this question, so bear with me for a sec
[14:27] <akiva-mobile> kyrgyz9, Rawr!!!
[14:27] <akiva-mobile> Bare*
[14:27] <kyrgyz9> you know how you can start a service like tomcat: "sudo service tomcat start"
[14:28] <kyrgyz9> how do I do that with my own script, as in "sudo service <my script> start"
[14:28] <akiva-mobile> kyrgyz9, you want to make a bash script?
[14:28] <kyrgyz9> ha, akiva-mobile I actually just googled it http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/bare.html
[14:28] <usr13> avdi_: Oh no, which ever works best. (Its just that sometimes it is easier to give generic instruction.)
[14:28] <kyrgyz9> akiva-mobile: no I want to be able to start a program in that way
[14:28] <kyrgyz9> akiva-mobile: sudo service <blah> start
[14:28] <gplaco> akiva-mobile, thank you for your help! :)
[14:29] <akiva-mobile> kyrgyz9, oh so not through a bash script?
[14:29] <akiva-mobile> gplaco, np, good luck!
[14:29] <kyrgyz9> akiva-mobile: could be bash script, jar, .py, whatever
[14:29] <kyrgyz9> akiva-mobile: *that I'm launching. I don't know how to do it though
[14:29] <akiva-mobile> kyrgyz9, lol? oh, so you just want the proper terminal command? Not an actual script ?
[14:30] <gplaco> I have another question. I just installed mysql server, and not without errors which I still try to get help for. meanwhile whenever I install anything, I'm getting random windows (both as gui and command line) that ask me to enter mysql password. is it customary?
[14:30] <akiva-mobile> kyrgyz9, or is your issue that you want to run it discretely, but you need a means to enter your password
[14:30] <gplaco> I am new to this. that's why asking.
[14:30] <kyrgyz9> akiva-mobile: sorry, I have a program I've written. I want to be able to start it with "service"
[14:30] <kyrgyz9> akiva-mobile: just like you would for something like tomcat
[14:31] <akiva-mobile> kyrgyz9, :P well I'll just suggest you first use gksudo instead of sudo, if you are doing this in a program
[14:31] <usr13> gplaco: /join #mysql
[14:32] <gplaco> usr13. I did
[14:32] <kyrgyz9> akiva-mobile: no, sorry I'm not talking about sudo. I'm talking about "service", as in "service tomcat start"
[14:32] <kyrgyz9> akiva-mobile: how do I configure service so that I can do, "service <my program> start"
[14:32] <usr13> gplaco: cat /etc/issue  #What does that say?
[14:33] <gplaco> it says Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS \n \l
[14:33] <ikonia> kyrgyz9: service is a command to run a systemv script
[14:33] <gplaco> usr13, it says Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS \n \l
[14:33] <ikonia> ubuntu uses upstart
[14:33] <ikonia> the system v scripts are aliases/links to upstart jobs
[14:34] <usr13> kyrgyz9: sudo
[14:34] <akiva-mobile> kyrgyz9, TBH, I am not familiar with service type programs. For my own programs though, I usually just write them into a bash script, and launch that.
[14:34] <akiva-mobile> kyrgyz9, sorry I can't help more.
[14:34] <craigbass1976> looking for some advice...  I'm setting up a new web server today.  12.04 or 13.10? Is upgrading to 14.04 from one going to be a bigger pita than the other?
[14:34] <usr13> gplaco: How did you install mysql?
[14:34] <usr13> gplaco: Or how are you tring to install it?
[14:34] <ikonia> craigbass1976: does it have to be setup today ?
[14:34] <gplaco> usr13, within lamp stack
[14:35] <craigbass1976> ikonia, I'd rather.  Why, when is 14.04 out?
[14:35] <ikonia> gplaco: exactly how did you install it
[14:35] <ikonia> craigbass1976: next month
[14:35] <MonkeyDust> craigbass1976  an LTS is adviced for servers, but better ask in #ubuntu-server, i guess
[14:35] <ikonia> hence 14.(04)
[14:35] <gplaco> usr13, by the way, this is the error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7156633/
[14:35] <kyrgyz9> ikonia: ah, ok, so I need to write an upstart job and then link from a systemv script?
[14:35] <akiva-mobile> craigbass1976, I'd wait for 14.04, or just use 12.04
[14:35] <craigbass1976> ikonia, I've been on ubuntu since dapper and never knew that about the versino number... doh!
[14:35] <ikonia> craigbass1976: the upgrade process is not a stable/trusted one in my opinion (personally) however if I was going to use one, I'd use 12.04 and upgrade to 14.04
[14:36] <ikonia> !upstart | kyrgyz9
[14:36] <usr13> gplaco: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7156633/  was the result of what command>?
[14:36] <ikonia> !info mysql-server
[14:37] <ikonia> !info mysql-server#precise
[14:37] <ikonia> !info mysql-server #precise
[14:37] <akiva-mobile> craigbass1976, I agree with ikonia . The upgrade while usually sort of fine, always has strange subtle issues that usually make you scratch your head, and make you wonder why you didnt just do a fresh install.
[14:37] <ikonia> !info mysql-server precise
[14:37] <kyrgyz9> ikonia: ok thanks, I have some room to start googling now. searching for "service" in this context and trying to get back relevant results was a nightmare.. :)
[14:38] <ikonia> kyrgyz9 "man service"
[14:38] <craigbass1976> akiva-mobile, ikonia I didn't realize 12 is supported until 2017.  I'll just stay on that.
[14:38] <kyrgyz9> ikonia: you old-timers and your convenience..
[14:38] <ikonia> craigbass1976 good attitude
[14:39] <akiva-mobile> craigbass1976, basically. Otherwise its wait until april 17th (?) for 14.04
[14:39] <craigbass1976> ikonia, we're cool, like the bottom side of a pillow
[14:39] <akiva-mobile> :)
[14:40] <EvilRoey> akiva-mobile:  ha, hahaha
[14:40] <akiva-mobile> why u  laff?
[14:40] <EvilRoey> Though I understand the makeup of your nickname, "akiva-mobile" still brings laughter to my eyes
[14:41] <akiva-mobile> O_o
[14:41] <EvilRoey> because it reminds me off chabadmobiles during hannukah
[14:41] <EvilRoey> s/off/of
[14:41] <akiva-mobile> oh lol
[14:41] <EvilRoey> LOL :)
[14:41] <akiva-mobile> Want to put on some tefillan ?
[14:41] <akiva-mobile> !ot akiva-mobile
[14:42] <EvilRoey> well it is time for mincha
[14:42] <Wiz_KeeD> how does one remove password request for a sudo command (for a single command)
[14:42] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: you need to define a new sudo rule that uses NOPASSWD for that one command
[14:42] <kyrgyz9> Wiz_KeeD: you can edit the sudoers file to use NOPASSWD
[14:42] <EvilRoey> akiva-mobile:  ata israeli? az bo le #israel
[14:42] <Wiz_KeeD> can you please tell me where that file is located ikonia ?
[14:42] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: you use the commend "visudo" to edit it
[14:42] <gplaco> usr13, sorry, I just received a phone call. I'm back
[14:42] <ikonia> never edit the file directly
[14:43] <MonkeyDust> Wiz_KeeD  sudo visudo
[14:43] <Wiz_KeeD> So I remembered corectly, thank you guys!
[14:43] <kyrgyz9> ikonia: Wiz_KeeD: I did that once.. once.
[14:43] <gplaco> usr13, I installed lamp via instructions on askubuntu page. first installed tasksel, then lamp stack with sudo tasksel
[14:43] <kyrgyz9> ikonia: Wiz_KeeD (it was like two weeks ago...)
[14:43] <Wiz_KeeD> /etc/sudoers.tmp it is
[14:44] <Wiz_KeeD> kyrgyz9, bad ending to the story? :)
[14:44] <kyrgyz9> Wiz_KeeD: can't run sudo as any user. Was an ec2 server where you can't login as root.. had to shut it down and spin up a new one.
[14:44] <gplaco> usr13, the output appeared both while installing lamp, and while installing anything. actually whatever I install since, I am asked mysql password, be it on command line or over gui
[14:45] <kyrgyz9> actually, if you do mess up the sudoers file, is there any way to recover?
[14:45] <kees_> yes, lots
[14:45] <ikonia> gplaco: that looks like you've had a legacy mysql install in there was some bad parameters in the my.cnf
[14:46] <gplaco> ikonia, it seems so. because each time the password I create is being rejected for some mismatch
[14:46] <kees_> a) keep your editor open, just save the file and test it in another terminal, keep a 'sudo -s' shell open, reboot the server with usb rescue and edit the file etc
[14:46] <gplaco> ikonia, can you suggest me anything to fix it?
[14:46] <ikonia> gplaco the password is held in the tables, so if you have deleted those tables the password will be removed, however I suspect it's rejecting the password because mysqld is not actually running looking at your pastebin
[14:46] <kyrgyz9> kees_: is there a way if you don't have physical access? eg ec2?
[14:47] <kees_> kyrgyz9, some.. depending on how old your kernel is :+
[14:47] <gplaco> ikonia, I might have deleted it if there existed any table.
[14:48] <kees_> kyrgyz9, but with up to date software without holes and a dead sudo and no root login.. you're fucked
[14:48] <MonkeyDust> kees_  no such words here, please
[14:49] <kyrgyz9> kees_: tbh, it would have been worse if there WAS a way to fix it remotely and I threw out the instance for nothing :)
[14:50] <kees_> kyrgyz9, i have never worked with ec2 before so no idea if it works; but if you can mount it in another fs you could have fixed it
[14:51] <gplaco> ikonia, I will try purging mysql individually and see what happens
[14:55] <hikenboot> can kvpm move lvm partitions to another drive?
[14:57] <gplaco> ikonia, thank you for your help! leaving now.
[15:07] <Data__> Whats the topic
[15:07] <Data__>  /topic
[15:07] <Data__> How do you install stuff with sudo
[15:08] <mardan> hi whay compiz use like 35%cpu with video playback?
[15:08] <Data__> Can you help me
[15:08] <Data__> ??
[15:08] <Data__> Mardan do you know how to install stuff with sud o
[15:09] <mardan> yes
[15:09] <Data__> *sudo
[15:09] <mardan> sudo apt-get install
[15:09] <Data__> ty
[15:09] <mardan> np
[15:09] <Data__> And then do i put the directory in
[15:10] <Pici> Data__: What sort of 'stuff' are you trying to install?
[15:10] <Data__> Pici Metasploit
[15:10] <ikonia> what a surprise
[15:10] <Pici> Data__: you'll need to consult their documentation then.
[15:10] <Data__> Okay
[15:11] <ikonia> Data__: metasploit is not a "toy" it requires a certain level of skill and basic understanding of the operating system you are running on
[15:11] <Data__> Ik ikonia
[15:11] <ikonia> Data__: if you are unable to manage the basic concepts of the linux distribution you are working with, you will get no benifit from metasploit or other more complex tools
[15:13] <mardan> lol what you need it for?
[15:13] <ikonia> well as it's a security tool, I'd guess he's trying to find exploits in something
[15:14] <mardan> hm and he do not know how to install ...
[15:14] <ikonia> I think you've just missed the point I tried to make
[15:15] <MonkeyDust> wants to run, when he doesn't know how to walk
[15:15] <hikenboot> can anyone point me to good straight forward directions on moving a LVM volume to a different drive if it containts the system and boot partitions
[15:16] <ikonia> hikenboot: either export the volume from the vg and import it, or just make a new volume and copy the data
[15:16] <hikenboot> objective is in a vm to shrink the volume and the vmfs volume as well
[15:16] <ikonia> either way will require you to have enough disk space for the move
[15:16] <ikonia> hikenboot: vmfs = vmware,
[15:16] <ikonia> hikenboot: how does that fit in with ubuntu lvm ?
[15:17] <hikenboot> what i have done so far is mount a  second hard drive in the vm and create a new volume group
[15:17] <hikenboot> LVM volume group
[15:17] <ikonia> hikenboot: 1.) make a new volume the correct size you want 2.) copy the data to the new volume 3.) delete the old volume
[15:18] <hikenboot> so the new LVM volume group is 10 GB larger than the space taken on the LVM volume ...whats the best way to copy the data if it also involves the boot and system partitions
[15:18] <ikonia> just copy the data, if these are the boot volumes then grub and fstab will need to be updated
[15:19] <hikenboot> ok I was hoping there was a volume way of doing the copy
[15:19] <hikenboot> guess not though
[15:19] <hikenboot> so your suggesting use rsync?
[15:19] <ikonia> hikenboot: well, you can export and import as I said earlier
[15:19] <ikonia> I'm suggesting use whatever copy tool you are happy with
[15:20] <hikenboot> I would rather export and import if I can do it with volumes of different sizes
[15:20] <ikonia> then do that,
[15:20] <hikenboot> ok just have to find good directions thats what I was asking for...honestly never done it before
[15:21] <ikonia> just make sure you size the PV correctly to have enough space for the data - not the old volume size
[15:21] <ikonia> the obvious thing to make it easy would be to add the second disk that is smaller to the same volume group, then remove the bigger disk
[15:22] <ikonia> that way the data will be moved onto the smaller disk and no other changes will be needed
[15:22] <ikonia> that would be the most simple and clean approach
[15:22] <hikenboot> ok i will add it to the same volume group then no problem thanks
[15:22] <ikonia> or shrink the physical disk and do a pvresize
[15:22] <ikonia> (you'll need to run some fsck after)
[15:25] <mardan> so can anyone tell me if its normal for compiz to use 10% just with internet browsing?
[15:25] <ikonia> mardan: do you understand how crazy that question is ?
[15:25] <ikonia> the resources it uses will depend on your system, your hardware, your config
[15:27] <mardan> well on mobile i3 2nd gen 2.1GHz it is lot
[15:27] <ikonia> again - that means nothing
[15:28] <zykotick9> mardan: it is "normal" for compiz to use a lot of resources...
[15:28] <mardan> zykotick9, ah thank you .... that is sad indd
[15:28] <akiva-thinkpad> anyone here experienced with unity8? I have a lot of confusion that I need cleared up.
[15:28] <ikonia> it's not "normal" at all
[15:29] <mardan> ikonia, so what can I do? can you help pls
[15:30] <ikonia> just to put it into context - using a very poor graphics card and an old compiz version
[15:30] <ikonia>  3279 devadm   20   0  275m  53m  13m S  0.5  1.4  23:35.51 compiz
[15:30] <ikonia> so using 0.5% cpu
[15:30] <mardan> on this site https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=trusty scroling up and down and cpu go to 10%
[15:30] <ikonia> mardan: it will go up and down - it's doing things, what do you expect ?
[15:31] <ikonia> you're asking it to work to paint your screen with pretty things
[15:31] <mardan> ikonia, well gpu work not cpu
[15:31] <ikonia> no, the cpu has to work too
[15:32] <mardan> 10% with scrolling basic site ...
[15:32] <ikonia> mardan: what do you want me to say ?
[15:32] <ActionParsnip> mardan: are you using Precise. Ubuntu 12.04?
[15:32] <mardan> ikonia, that is normal so I will just stop looking
[15:33] <mardan> ActionParsnip, no 14.04 and do not ask me to go on ubuntu+1
[15:33] <ikonia> mardan: as I've said it will vary from machine to machine and usage
[15:33] <mardan> pls
[15:33] <ActionParsnip> mardan: that is where is is supported, not here
[15:33] <ikonia> mardan: please go to #ubuntu+1 this channel is not for 14.04 support
[15:33] <ActionParsnip> mardan: the topic clearly states
[15:34] <mardan> well I am just asking
[15:34] <ActionParsnip> mardan: then ask in the right channel for your release
[15:34] <ikonia> ok, please ask in #ubuntu+1 (the answer will be the same though)
[15:35] <ActionParsnip> mardan: trusty is not ready and not stable, so you will get issues. You will also see issues a few weeks after release
[15:35] <mardan> I think is not version issue so thats whay I am asking here my friends
[15:36] <ikonia> mardan: look - I'll make this clearer, if you think it's a version thing or not - doesn't matter, you are using/asking for help with 14.04 - that correct channel is #ubuntu+1
[15:36] <ikonia> mardan: please stick to that channel for 14.04 help
[15:37] <mardan> ok no problem, anyway thank you for help ... I think will just stop looking and swalow that compiz thing
[15:37] <ikonia> ok
[15:38] <mardan> going from kde to unity that is that one thing
[15:43] <sakang> kde seems to be a dying breed
[15:43] <sakang> bloated
[15:44] <clunkychicken> im actually sold on xfce
[15:44] <ndee> what's the best way to install the same packages on server foo, which are on server bar?
[15:45] <llutz> !clone | ndee
[15:45] <mardan> that is sad but true ... years ago kubuntu was faster then unity .... now I am not so shure
[15:45] <sakang> good for you, and I'm sold on mate
[15:45] <llutz> ndee: other way would be using dpkg --get-selections / --set-selections
[15:45] <sakang> every now and then try gnome-shell
[15:46] <mardan> I did tray suse but that gnome was just not it
[15:46] <sakang> suse is a bad choice.  can't even upgrade from rcN to rcN+1
[15:47] <ikonia> this is nothing to do with #ubuntu guys
[15:47] <sakang> ikonia: actually it's a complement to Ubuntu
[15:47] <ikonia> it's still nothing to do with this channel
[15:47] <mardan> yeh try suse for like 2 times and back to buntu
[15:56] <yash> i have a doubt in android
[15:59] <Yakisoba-> Hi ))) advice please: how to make top bar transparent in Ubuntu?
[16:01] <sakang> usually right click -> properties should do it?
[16:04] <MonkeyDust> sakang  i guess !ccsm can do that
[16:04] <lduros> hi, I'm turning an old laptop into a server, and would like to know if i can turn off the following graphic card: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4691675
[16:04] <lduros> echoing OFF vgaswitcheroo doesn't work because that folder doesn't exist
[16:09] <Yakisoba-> please advice me good apps for ubuntu 12 04?
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> Yakisoba-: wha do you wnat the app to do?
[16:10] <linuxgeek_> hi, on a precise 12.04.4 with kernel 3.11.0-18-generic, kvm install fails
[16:10] <Yakisoba-> ActionParsnip Internet radio, TV, player like Winamp, disk cleaner...
[16:10] <linuxgeek_> The following packages have unmet dependencies: kvm : Depends: qemu-kvm
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> Yakisoba-: audaciou is like winamp. or vlc
[16:11] <Yakisoba-> Thank you
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> Yakisoba-: bleachbit is a good disk cleaner (be careful with it)
[16:11] <linuxgeek_> is this some issue with kernel, bcoz with 3.11.0-15-generic, i'm able to install kvm
[16:11] <sakang> Yakisoba-: for TV, try me-tv
[16:12] <Yakisoba-> :)
[16:13] <sakang> clementine is a good music player
[16:13] <Yakisoba-> sometimes my Ubuntu asks me for codecs... where i can get all codecs to watch any media files?
[16:14] <Yakisoba-> sakang: Thank you )
[16:14] <mardan> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:14] <MonkeyDust> Yakisoba-  start with ubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:14] <akiva-mobile> Yakisoba-, goto software center, and search for "gstreamer"
[16:14] <akiva-mobile> or that
[16:14] <sakang> gstreamer*good,bad,ugly plugins
[16:14] <MonkeyDust> mardan  was faster
[16:15] <mardan> MonkeyDust,  it was in tild ;)
[16:15] <Yakisoba-> Good! thanks
[16:18] <Lord-Ragnarock> Hi! Anybody think they can help me with an ibus problem? :3
[16:20] <SuperLag> Was there no way to reduce the size of the launcher in the 12.04LTS? o.O
[16:20] <davidrsmorris> hey does anyone here have experience with xres?  I'm trying to install simpleswitcher and it uses that as a dependency.
[16:21] <akiva-mobile> !question akiva-mobile
[16:21] <arenson> Hi, I'm having isues w/ wifi on a new Thinkpad T440s. Is this the correct place to get assistance?
[16:21] <MonkeyDust> SuperLag  i guess: in 3D you can, in 2D you can't : system settings > appearance
[16:21] <akiva-mobile> !ask akiva-mobile
[16:21] <akiva-mobile> !ask
[16:22] <akiva-mobile> arenson, are you running ubuntu?
[16:22] <arenson> Yes, 13.10
[16:22] <iDevelop> Hello!
[16:22] <arenson> I tried building the backported module
[16:22] <arenson> and it loads, but the device still doesn't show up in iwconfig
[16:23] <akiva-mobile> arenson, I am on a x230; I take it that wifi did not work out of the box?
[16:23] <ActionParsnip> arenson: what wifi chip?
[16:23] <arenson> I'm assuming intel something.. specs for the laptop say 'thikpad wifi'
[16:23] <ActionParsnip> arenson: sudo lshw -C network    will tell you
[16:24] <akiva-mobile> arenson, For my own part; I make it a habit to bother lenovo for their lack of linux support out of the box. Just a suggestion.
[16:24] <trism> Lord-Ragnarock: you need to tell us what the problem is or we can't help
[16:25] <Lord-Ragnarock> Oh, sorry xD
[16:26] <arenson> ugh one moment, forgot I was trying an install of 14.04 (its been a crazy morning)... apologies
[16:26] <tcstar_work> with an apache web server, if i want to host a site on multiple ip's is it a dns server I want? atm ive been manually editing /etc/network/interfaces for each ip
[16:27] <MonkeyDust> tcstar_work  there's also #ubuntu-server
[16:27] <ikonia> tcstar_work: apache will listen on any interface you tell it to
[16:28] <KyouReeUs4nfo> what is the best way to use ubuntu-minimal ? Is it just to use tty1?  Installing desktop-manager and display-manager almost turns it into full version.
[16:28] <jhutchins> tcstar_work: Do you want multiple IPs on the same machine?
[16:28] <jhutchins> tcstar_work: Like IP based virtual hosts?
[16:28] <ikonia> virtual hosting is for multiple sites - this is 1 site on multiple ip's
[16:28] <tcstar_work> jhutchins that's exactly it -- like atm i have 5 ip's on my server
[16:28] <ikonia> accordig t the question
[16:29] <Lord-Ragnarock> Different distro, but hopefully the problem's at least solveable in some fashion as #ibus people are kinda unavailable: I ended up switching around my locales so that I could have the system in Japanese, so from en_US to ja_JP. I also added a few extra lines to my /etc/bash.bashrc and /etc/locale.conf in the process. For some reason I have yet to f
[16:29] <ikonia> tcstar_work: are they different sites or the same site ?
[16:29] <Lord-Ragnarock> ind out, this has ended up disabling kana input completely on ibus-anthy. No matter how I mess with the settings, it just keeps putting out romaji/roman letters :/
[16:29] <tcstar_work> my phrasing may have been off
[16:29] <chairman_meow> Hello
[16:29] <ikonia> Lord-Ragnarock: we only support ubuntu here
[16:29] <tcstar_work> different sites
[16:29] <ikonia> tcstar_work: "name based virtual hosting"
[16:29] <ikonia> tcstar_work: look into that,
[16:29] <akiva-mobile> chairman_meow, hello; what can we help you with today?
[16:29] <chairman_meow> I'm using Deluge. I have two internet connections (mobile hotspot & lan)
[16:29] <chairman_meow> is it possible to use both?
[16:29] <ikonia> it's already setup with ubuntu and the "sites-available" and "sites-enabled" directories
[16:29] <Lord-Ragnarock> I figured. It's kinda difficult getting support elsewhere tho D:
[16:30] <ikonia> Lord-Ragnarock: don't use distros with bad support then
[16:30] <jhutchins> tcstar_work: So what is your question?
[16:31] <akiva-mobile> chairman_meow, http://askubuntu.com/questions/53499/how-to-merge-multiple-internet-connections-into-one Does this help?
[16:31] <ikonia> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/httpd.html concepts the same
[16:31] <tcstar_work> the apache stuff i have working..  it's the ip binding i need to figure out how to do better... atm i edit /etc/networking/interfaces manually -- just wondering if there is an easier way to get the machine to recognize multiple ip's
[16:31] <ikonia> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/httpd.html
[16:31] <ikonia> there we go, right link
[16:32] <ikonia> tcstar_work: you don't touch the interface file for apache
[16:32] <jhutchins> tcstar_work: That is the correct method for a sever.
[16:32] <llutz> KyouReeUs4nfo: install only what you really need/want, do use any metapackages, use apt-get --no-install-recommends
[16:32] <ikonia> tcstar_work: check out the document I've just sent you
[16:32] <jhutchins> tcstar_work: It is possible to have multiple sites on the same IP as well though, "Name Based Virtual Hosts".
[16:34] <ldlework> I'm running 13.10 but apt-get cannot find linux-generic-lts-saucy. Does anyone know what's up?
[16:34] <ikonia> !info linux-generic-lts-saucy.
[16:35] <ikonia> ldlework: not a valid package name
[16:35] <KyouReeUs4nfo> llutz: Thanks.
[16:35] <ldlework> ikonia: I'm trying to resolve this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor/+bug/1214979
[16:35] <ldlework> It tells me to install that package
[16:35] <ikonia> ldlework: doesn't change the fact that the package name is wrong
[16:37] <tcstar_work> Yeah, I have all the apache stuff working...  multiple sites on same ip, but ultimately i need each site to have its own ip...  just need to know if there is an easier way to add a machine binding so it knows it needs to resolve the ip address associated...    until i added the second dec in here: https://gist.github.com/tcstar/51f13b0a14e2459d7d26  going to the address wouldn't resolve.. but once i added that to /etc/network/interfac
[16:37] <tcstar_work> es it resolved fine..  trying to figure out if there is an easier way
[16:37] <akiva-mobile> in ubuntu, what is the keyboard shortcut for logging out?
[16:38] <MonkeyDust> akiva-mobile  try ctrl-alt-del
[16:39] <tcstar_work> akiva-mobile -- generally it's not there..  but if you go to system settings -> keyboard -> shortcuts tab you can create your own custom shortcut
[16:39] <GhostConn> I need to install USB 3.0 driver on my Asus crosshair v formula z
[16:39] <tcstar_work> command you'd use is:  gnome-session-quit --logout --no-prompt
[16:39] <squaregoldfish> Just upgraded my graphics card, and now the login screen doesn't display. It's there, because I can type in my password and get to my desktop, but it's not visible. Does X need reconfiguring somehow? (Ubuntu 13.10)
[16:40] <akiva-mobile> MonkeyDust, okay. thanks
[16:47] <ldlework> ikonia: can you help me understand what I'm looking for?
[16:47] <chamunks> Whats the best way to get a local cache for DNS
[16:47] <chamunks> I'm kind of tired of DNS servers pooping themselves.
[16:47] <ikonia> ldlework: I have no idea what you are looking for
[16:47] <ikonia> ldlework: you just said you wanted a package that doesn't exist
[16:47] <ldlework> ikonia: I'm trying to follow the workaround in that bug report
[16:48] <mathuin> If I upgrade from 12.04.4 LTS to 14.04 LTS Beta 1, should I do it scorched-earth-style and wipe machines before installing, or should I just use apt-get ?
[16:48] <ikonia> mathuin what are you on about ?
[16:48] <ikonia> mathuin: have you even read the install/upgrade instructions /
[16:48] <ikonia> ldlework: I didn't see that package named in the bug report (but I only skimmed it)
[16:48] <ldlework> ikonia: notice how this official ubuntu page describes all sorts of packages similiar to the one that 'doesn't exist' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[16:48] <mathuin> I wanted to ask a general question before reading particulars.
[16:49] <ikonia> mathuin: you're doing it back to front as neither what you said are valid upgrade processes
[16:49] <ikonia> mathuin: so you've just asked "should I do 2 non-existant upgrade methods" rather than reading the supported upgrade methods and asking for advice on them
[16:49] <linuxgeek_> anyone have thoughts on the kvm install issue?
[16:49] <llutz> chamunks: use dnsmasq
[16:49] <SuperLag> When you're using CompizConfig Settings Manager, are the settings changes supposed to take effect immediately?
[16:49] <ikonia> ldlework yes, and they are differnt package names to the one you said
[16:50] <mathuin> ikonia: "14.04 lts beta 1 upgrade" as a Google search brings up zero useful hits on the first page.  In particular, I see nothing about updating from previous LTS.
[16:50] <ikonia> mathuin check the official documentation
[16:50] <ikonia> mathuin: as opposed to googling random things
[16:50] <MonkeyDust> SuperLag  yes, they should, unless mentioned otherwise ("needs restart" or so)
[16:51] <ikonia> mathuin: also the topic in #ubuntu+1 - the correct support channel for 14.04 discussion
[16:51] <ldlework> To install the Saucy hardware enablement packages in Precise, please run instead the following command:
[16:51] <ldlework>  sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-saucy
[16:51] <mathuin> ikonia: now _that's_ something useful that you've said.
[16:51] <ldlework> oh it only works in precise
[16:51] <ldlework> I see
[16:51] <ikonia> mathuin: it's also useful
[16:51] <ikonia> all
[16:51] <SuperLag> MonkeyDust: interesting. Trying to resize the Launcher icons in 12.04.4, and it's not working.
[16:51] <mathuin> Since there's nothing on ubuntu.com about official upgrading to a beta that I can find either.
[16:51] <mathuin> but I'll head over there.  thanks!
[16:52] <ikonia> mathuin upgrade what ?
[16:52] <ikonia> mathuin: you don't upgrade the beta
[16:52] <MonkeyDust> SuperLag  is it unity 2d or 3d?
[16:52] <pi_> hi
[16:52] <mathuin> ikonia: never mind, I don't think you understand what I'm asking.
[16:52] <mathuin> which is fine!
[16:52] <diego_diego> hi all, currently setting up wan card on thinkpad lenovo. before I can get a plan from att I need imei and other interface info, do you guys know how I can get that info?
[16:53] <SuperLag> MonkeyDust: 3d? as in 3-dimensional? o.O
[16:53] <pi_> volume up down prog in terminal?
[16:55] <SuperLag> MonkeyDust: I'm running this in a VMware Workstation VM.
[16:55] <Pici> pi_: alsamixer
[16:55] <llutz> diego_diego: no sticker with IMEI on the bottom of the thinkpad?
[16:55] <pi_> Pici: thank you
[16:56] <MonkeyDust> SuperLag  ok, wasn't aware -- in the login menu, did you select Ubuntu or Ubuntu 2D ?
[16:56] <davidrsmorris> pi_ , use amixer if you want to automate volume instead of using framebuffer alsamixer
[16:56] <jhutchins> SuperLag: 3d is a misleading term for hardware video acceleration.
[16:57] <jhutchins> SuperLag: So called because it is most helpful when rendering a 3d space.
[16:58] <diego_diego> llutz: hand to forehead. that will do it for now, but I guess the question still stands, know if its accessible programatically? thanks!
[16:58] <chamunks> !dnsmasq
[16:59] <llutz> diego_diego: i'd guess it is somehow if the device understand AT-cmds but i don't know any real way right now, sry
[16:59] <arenson> Alright I found out the real HW that is my WLAN card. I'm installing 14.04 and it still isn't recognized. However support is claimed here http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/pci/10ec%3A818b/
[17:00] <arenson> WLAN card is RTL8192EE if you dont wanna clikc the link
[17:00] <diego_diego> llutz: will look into AT-cmds. thanks so much!
[17:00] <llutz> diego_diego: iirc it is AT+CGSN
[17:06] <llutz> diego_diego: "dmesg | grep -i serialnumber"  works at least for my old thinkpad with ericson f33507g 3g card
[17:06] <SuperLag> MonkeyDust: I'm not sure.
[17:06] <SuperLag> MonkeyDust: whatever was default
[17:07] <MonkeyDust> SuperLag  as it is a virtual machine, i guess it's 2D, because of the lesser resources -- (is that ubuntu 12.04?)
[17:07] <SuperLag> MonkeyDust: 12.04.4
[17:07] <MonkeyDust> ok
[17:09] <SuperLag> restarting the VM now, so I can give a better answer
[17:09] <SuperLag> Okay, so the options are Ubuntu and Ubuntu 2D.
[17:09] <f0ster> Does anyone know what an exit status 11 is for an upstart script? trying to get this to work.. https://github.com/puma/puma/blob/master/tools/jungle/upstart/puma.conf
[17:12] <SuperLag> MonkeyDust: and when I select 2D, changing the setting in CC doesn't do anything.
[17:12] <tidux> what's the recommended PPA for newer kernels for 13.10?
[17:12] <tidux> I have Ubuntu installed on an Acer C720 Chromebook
[17:12] <arunbabu> My 12.04 ssuddenly is not booting. It gets stuck at black screen. Can someone help me in fixing it? It is really urgent
[17:12] <ActionParsnip> tidux: there is no recommended PPA for anything, PPAs are not recommended
[17:12] <tidux> but the 3.11 kernel has serious issues with refusing to come back from suspend
[17:12] <tidux> well hurr de durr, I don't need the Canonical official position
[17:12] <ActionParsnip> arunbabu: hold SHIFT at boot, select an older kernel. Does it boot ok?
[17:12] <tidux> what PPA do most of you use?
[17:12] <SuperLag> ActionParsnip: I'm confused. If they're so taboo, why are they available at all?
[17:13] <ActionParsnip> tidux: there is a mainline kernel PPA, its not supported here in any way
[17:13] <tidux> I don't need official support, I just need a recommendation for which one to install
[17:13] <arunbabu> ActionParsnip: you mean after selecting ubuntu from grub i need to press shift?
[17:13] <tidux> I acknowledge that Canonical is not liable for the contents of PPAs, etc.
[17:13] <ActionParsnip> SuperLag: because you have that freedom, the packages are just not supported here so if your OS breaks we cannot support you here
[17:14] <ActionParsnip> arunbabu: there should be extra options in Grub to choose an older kernel, read the screen
[17:14] <SuperLag> ActionParsnip: that makes sense.
[17:14] <ActionParsnip> tidux: then you can find the PPA easily online
[17:14] <arunbabu> ActionParsnip: haa! seems I deleted the older version a few months back :|
[17:15] <arunbabu> ActionParsnip: I just have a one ubuntu and a command prompt of the same. I am dual booting with win7
[17:15] <arunbabu> *a recovery mode for the same
[17:16] <arunbabu> ActionParsnip: can I edit boot command to see some logs and to see why it is failing?
[17:18] <nobody18288181> In Xubuntu should I not being using networking to restart network? Should it even being running?
[17:19] <neo1> you should be able to access the logs from the terminal in the recovery mode boot
[17:20] <arunbabu> neo1: may I know where i should look?
[17:20] <arenson> this AM
[17:20] <logikos> i'm runing ubuntu on our server and i need to update ghostscript to version 9.12 or higher, currently it is version 9.06
[17:20] <logikos> how can i do this please?
[17:20] <ikonia> logikos: you need to find a repo hosting the package - but beaware there is a risk it will break things
[17:20] <neo1> i'm not sure which log and where it is. i just know i used that method to recover from a bad driver that caused me the same issue you discribe
[17:21] <arenson> So RTL8192EE still doesn't work out of the box in 14.04, any advice?
[17:21] <arunbabu> ActionParsnip: i seriously doubt if this has got to do anything with my ATI graphics card. Is there anyway I can shift to default drivers?
[17:22] <ashish> hi
[17:22] <arenson> THere is also this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/hwe-next/+bug/1239578
[17:23] <neo1> arunbabu, my issue was from the ati video driver too
[17:23] <arenson> yeah, it looks like its fixed but not in mainline
[17:23] <Kully> Hey all; I just connected an EBS (cloud storage) to a cloud instance, my dev1 has 8gb and ebs (dev2) has 100gb, how can I create some sort of link from places so I can keep all my files the same, not edit the locations, but store the files on the second drive? i.e. cd /var/www/* would actually be stored on /vol/var/www/ but all the sites I have would still reference /var/www
[17:23] <arenson> does that mean there is a way for me to get the driver?
[17:23] <arunbabu> neo1: you cant remember anything?
[17:23] <arunbabu> Any pointers on fixing a 12.04 boot black screen ?
[17:24] <arenson> arunbabu: where does it go black, after splash? after login?
[17:24] <arunbabu> arenson: after selecting the grub option, a pointer blicks and then goes to a black screen
[17:25] <arenson> what does your monitor situation look like?
[17:25] <neo1> what i did was log into recovery, enable networking, drop to root terminal, then did a "apt-get remove fglrx*"
[17:26] <arunbabu> arenson: monitor goes complete black
[17:26] <neo1> rebooted and logged into x normally
[17:26] <arenson> Sorry, how many monitors and what kind
[17:26] <arunbabu> neo1: unfortunately I have only wifi and ifconfig wlan0 hangs
[17:27] <neo1> did you enable networking before going to the terminal?
[17:27] <arunbabu> arenson: I'm on my laptop with no extra monitor
[17:27] <arunbabu> neo1: oh, let me try that
[17:28] <arunbabu> neo1: haa! it gets stuck at Loading plugin X22X
[17:28] <arenson> After boot, are you able to drop to a terminal via Ctrl+F1 ?
[17:29] <arunbabu> arenson: no, but i m able to drop to root terminal from recovery mode
[17:29] <arenson> And what laptop model?
[17:29] <arenson> interesting...
[17:29] <arunbabu> arenson: studio 1558 Dell
[17:30] <arunbabu> arenson: sadly I was on a deadline!
[17:30] <arenson> haha no the problem is interesting
[17:31] <arenson> could be ATI driver issue, 1 min
[17:31] <arunbabu> arenson: even strange thing is that it was working yesterday night and i did no system change ;|
[17:32] <renaud-46> hello
[17:32] <renaud-46> quelqu"un a t il deja eu le message sous debian/ubuntu/mint "l'obtention de la liste de partage a echouée " dans samba
[17:32] <Sigfrid91> \connect #darth-fansub
[17:32] <Pici> !fr | renaud-46
[17:32] <arunbabu> arenson: few days ago I had this issue but it got resolved by itself after a few tries
[17:33] <arunbabu> arenson: again I am expecting a miracle! :D but its been very loong now that im waiting :(
[17:33] <arenson> when grub comes up, try ediding the command to include nomodeset
[17:33] <renaud-46> did someone one day was uable to display contents of his home network with devian/ubuntu/mint via samba?
[17:33] <arenson> so press 'e' and after 'quiet splash' add 'nomodeset' for the line that you are trying to boot
[17:33] <renaud-46> unable*
[17:34] <arunbabu> arenson: let me try
[17:36] <Dirkos> I have 0% disk space left on /dev/sda1 so i cant run my aptitude updater. I have 70GB free on /dev/mapper/server-root though. How can i fix this?
[17:36] <arunbabu>  arenson should I remove $vt_handoff ?
[17:37] <arenson> I'm not sure what that is, probably don't need to _remove_ anything
[17:38] <arunbabu> arenson: anyway no difference, jsut that cursor keeps on blinking, it doesnt go to black screen
[17:38] <daftykins> Dirkos: do you have some old kernels you can remove?
[17:38] <Dirkos> nope really
[17:38] <ActionParsnip> Dirkos: also run:  sudo apt-get clean
[17:38] <Dirkos> is apt only putting stuff on sda1?
[17:38] <daftykins> Dirkos: can you pastebin the output of 'df -h' to confirm this scenario?
[17:38] <Dirkos> sure wait a sec
[17:38] <ActionParsnip> Dirkos: what is the output of:  uname -a; lsb_release -a; dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[17:38] <arenson> is that different than before?
[17:39] <akiva-mobile> ActionParsnip, oh btw, a double thanks for helping me on launchpad today :)
[17:39] <arunbabu> yeah arenson
[17:39] <ActionParsnip> Dirkos: use ahttp://pastie.org or similar to host the text
[17:39] <ActionParsnip> akiva-mobile: np
[17:39] <arunbabu> arenson: earlier it used to go to a black screen aftre blinking cursor
[17:40] <mbrgm> hi! has anybody tried installing the latest trusty tahr daily using a usb stick?
[17:40] <daftykins> !trusty | mbrgm
[17:40] <Dirkos> ActionParsnip: daftykins http://pastie.org/8970883
[17:40] <Dirkos> here is the paste of both
[17:40] <Beldar> !14.04|mbrgm
[17:40] <daftykins> Dirkos: and can you "ls -l /boot" pastebin also?
[17:40] <mbrgm> !14.04
[17:41] <daftykins> Dirkos: i can already see your /boot is full of kernels :)
[17:41] <Dirkos> euw, how can i remov that?
[17:41] <arenson> you could try several other kernel arguments in grub....
[17:41] <daftykins> Dirkos: run the above and i shall tell you! :)
[17:41] <arenson> try adding 'noacpi'
[17:41] <arenson> and 'noapic'
[17:41] <daftykins> arenson: who are you talking to?
[17:42] <mbrgm> daftykins: I run into problems during installation. it says some files could not be loaded from the CD?
[17:42] <arenson> sorry, arunbabu
[17:42] <arunbabu> arenson: where do I add that?
[17:42] <Dirkos> daftykins: http://pastie.org/8970892
[17:42] <arenson> arunbabu: same place as before, in the grub command
[17:42] <ActionParsnip> Dirkos: http://pastie.org/8970893
[17:42] <daftykins> mbrgm: the reason i ran the trigger was to tell you that _ALL TRUSTY TALK IS IN #UBUNTU+1
[17:42] <mbrgm> daftykins: oh sry :-D
[17:42] <akiva-mobile> mbrgm, hmmmm did you checksum your image?
[17:42] <arenson> arunbabu: if that doesn't work, 'radeon.modeset=0' could be worth a try
[17:43] <ActionParsnip> Dirkos: 5 easy commands
[17:43] <mbrgm> akiva-mobile: I'm loading the latest one now, gonna checksum then. moving to +1
[17:43] <Dirkos> ActionParsnip: well what is easy? http://pastie.org/8970894
[17:43] <akiva-mobile> mbrgm, Also, if you have found a bug in the 14.04 usb installer, its really important that you file it.
[17:43] <mbrgm> akiva-mobile: of course.
[17:43] <akiva-mobile> mbrgm, because 14.04 is a long term release, and very important that we get it stable :)
[17:43] <daftykins> ActionParsnip: why'd you separate them into separate commands? 0o
[17:44] <ActionParsnip> Dirkos: then you will need to clear space in the conventional way, clearing disk caches and browser caches etc
[17:44] <arunbabu> hey is there anyway that I can see the logs instead the blinking cursor when I select an ubuntu fro grub, so that I can know where it fails!
[17:44] <Dirkos> well its running as server but uhmm
[17:44] <Beldar> arunbabu, HIt the esc key at boot.
[17:44] <ActionParsnip> Dirkos: does:   sudo apt-get clean     free up space?
[17:45] <Dirkos> ActionParsnip: nope
[17:45] <daftykins> ActionParsnip: we were given a pastebin showing only /boot is full - why are you timewasting 0o
[17:45] <llutz> how would apt-get clean or removing any caches free space on /boot
[17:45] <Dirkos> So im kinda stuck as i dont know what to remove
[17:45] <ActionParsnip> Dirkos: you need to clean enough space to get that half installed package installed so the packages are squared
[17:45] <ActionParsnip> Dirkos: or uninstall the half installed package
[17:46] <arunbabu> Beldar: I dont know its not working , ^[C just comes up
[17:46] <daftykins> Dirkos: i think you should issue "sudo apt-get remove linux-image-generic-lts-quantal" first then remove the older kernels as instructed earlier
[17:46] <akiva-mobile> Dirkos, alternate suggestion; can you boot up a livecd, and adjust the partition size using gparted?
[17:46] <daftykins> you guys are giving some seriously shocking advice today ¬_¬
[17:46] <Dirkos> daftykins: the problem is that its nto possible
[17:47] <Dirkos> http://pastie.org/8970906
[17:48] <akiva-mobile> Dirkos, personal preference, but I think the ubuntu pastebin is better than pastie :)
[17:48] <daftykins> if we can read his pastes the job is done
[17:48] <zen_monkey> how can i boot into low graphics mode from grub?
[17:48] <Dirkos> akiva-mobile: no problem :) i never use both though.. Only gist haha
[17:48] <arunbabu> arenson: none of those options helped
[17:48] <arunbabu> !looks like i may need reinstall my ubuntu
[17:48] <Dirkos> daftykins: i you have a suggestion haha
[17:48] <arenson> arunbabu: :-/ not sure I have many more ideas
[17:48] <igalic> Hello happy people o/~ I'm tryint to install fsharp on Saucy, and it's failing for I don't know why https://gist.githubusercontent.com/igalic/f991ea022e2fd1af1891/raw/88e8e836a884312240bc4e39d2e7e6f9fd3eb918/gistfile1.txt
[17:49] <Beldar> !nomodeset|zen_monkey
[17:49] <arunbabu> arenson: thanks man! no problem
[17:49] <ActionParsnip> igalic: are there any bugs reported for mono-gac?
[17:50] <arunbabu> Beldar: with nomodeset should we remove $vt_handoff ?
[17:50] <arunbabu> Beldar: I was facing a similar black screen issue during boot
[17:50] <daftykins> Dirkos: hrmm, nasty locked situation that there. so out of interest what does it state when you do run "sudo apt-get -f install" ?
[17:50] <Beldar> arunbabu, NO idea.
[17:51] <Dirkos> i will paste wait a sec
[17:51] <llutz> Dirkos: sudo dpkg -P linux-image-3.5.0-23-generic
[17:51] <llutz> Dirkos: sudo apt-get -f install
[17:51] <Dirkos> daftykins: http://pastie.org/8970914
[17:51] <Zooklubba> Can't remember who helped me with my 4G modem. hmm
[17:51] <akiva-mobile> zen_monkey, from grub? Why do you need low graphics?
[17:52] <Zooklubba> ID 12d1:1505 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. E398 LTE/UMTS/GSM Modem/Networkcard
[17:52] <daftykins> llutz: why 3.5.0-23?
[17:52] <llutz> DalekSec: oldest just to free some space
[17:52] <Zooklubba> cant set up it as mobile broadband. hm
[17:52] <llutz> daftykins: ^^
[17:53] <Dirkos> yeah its running now
[17:53] <Beldar> Zooklubba, State the actual issues for help.
[17:53] <Dirkos> but is the sda1 too small btw?
[17:53] <daftykins> llutz: that'll remove it without getting caught up in apt-get's hassle?
[17:53] <igalic> ActionParsnip: there should be an upstream debian bug on that, yeah.
[17:53] <llutz> daftykins: sure
[17:53] <daftykins> ah nice :)
[17:53] <llutz> Dirkos: either its too small or you should clean up old kernels more often
[17:54] <Dirkos> well its not my system but from my brother haha
[17:54] <Dirkos> suggested size?
[17:54] <Dirkos> its now like 200mb or something
[17:54] <daftykins> no the size is plenty
[17:54] <daftykins> it's just got way too many on
[17:54] <Dirkos> ah k thnx
[17:54] <daftykins> Dirkos: you might as well use dpkg to murder -39, -40, -41, -42, -43, -44 and -45
[17:54] <llutz> Dirkos: once your apt is clean, you can go and remove most of the other kernels too
[17:55] <Zooklubba> Beldar: I dont remember everything to do. But yeah, 4G card doesn seem to be working. just fml. I guess I'll be back laters
[17:55] <Dirkos> llutz: what is good way to remove them?
[17:55] <llutz> Dirkos: see ActionParsnips commands or use carefully: dpkg -l 'linux-*' | sed '/^ii/!d;/'"$(uname -r | sed "s/\(.*\)-\([^0-9]\+\)/\1/")"'/d;s/^[^ ]* [^ ]* \([^ ]*\).*/\1/;/[0-9]/!d' | xargs sudo apt-get -y purge
[17:55] <Dirkos> -f install worked fine
[17:55] <daftykins> Dirkos: like we said 'sudo apt-get remove linux-image-3.5.0-xx-generic'
[17:56] <llutz> Dirkos: that will remove all but the running kernel, so make sure it works
[17:56] <Dirkos> thnx running
[17:58] <llutz> *buntu definetly needs some kind of a "kernel-cleaner"
[17:58] <Dirkos> yeah he installed it from webmin all the time
[17:58] <Dirkos> so he's not cleaning stuff
[17:58] <llutz> webmin urks
[17:59] <Dirkos> yep
[17:59] <daftykins> !webmin
[17:59] <Dirkos> he is just noob haha
[17:59] <daftykins> ^tell him that
[17:59] <MonkeyDust> llutz  ubuntu-tweak's janitor does that
[17:59] <Dirkos> haha did :p
[17:59] <llutz> ah nice fulldisclosure is up and alive
[17:59] <llutz> whoops, sry wrong window
[18:01] <llutz> MonkeyDust: a reminder in kernels postinst-script "you have 4 dozen old kernels, would you like to get rid of 1-2" was more what i meant. there are lots of external tools/scripts doing that,but most users don't use them
[18:04] <EsotericForest> I want to move off of Unity and switch to Cinnamon in Ubuntu, has anyone had much experience with this configuration?
[18:07] <neo1> esptericforest, what did you want to know?
[18:09] <jhutchins> !cinnamon
[18:10] <neo1> i meant what was he having issues with
[18:13] <jhutchins> EsotericForest: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/11/cinnamon-20-no-longer-breaks-unity-in.html
[18:13] <EsotericForest> sorry neo1 I had something come up; I was just curious if it exhibited weird behavior or anything
[18:13] <EsotericForest> oh that link looks relevant
[18:13] <EsotericForest> thanks
[18:14] <jhutchins> Let us know if that's a good source.
[18:14] <neo1> i ran it fine for a while before i switched to mint. seemed the seem on both
[18:14] <neo1> *same
[18:15] <EsotericForest> yeah it looks like glancing around the internet, there doesn't seem to be too many complaints. I like mint but I might as well just stick with what I have if I can just quickly install Cinnamon
[18:15] <EsotericForest> thanks
[18:16] <neo1> i had only switched to see if it ran any different from real ubuntu. it has a few quirks but its still new compared to other desktops
[18:24] <ksuhku> "Unless you have opted out we will send your keystrokes to third parties including: Facebook, Twitter, BBC and Amazon." -- http://www.ubuntu.com/privacy-policy For the whole list of third parties, see http://www.ubuntu.com/privacy-policy/third-parties
[18:25] <lemple> ksuhku: wait, what?
[18:25] <ksuhku> I know!
[18:32] <Nephro> I have java 7 installed but I really need java 6. Don't really know how to launch it in ubuntu
[18:32] <Putdeksel> Hi there
[18:35] <sarahS> hello everyone!  I'm having difficulty with user write access via sftp.
[18:35] <sarahS> logins and lists are successful, but I can't write
[18:35] <sarahS> any ideas?
[18:35] <Putdeksel> I'm trying to set up a VPN (OpenVPN on a oracle VM), using a walktrough, but I'm having trouble running the source vars script. Is there anyone that wants help me out or point me in the right direction?
[18:36] <raub> sarahS: is your user supposed to have write permission?
[18:36] <Xhisor> Read, not write
[18:36] <Xhisor> ?
[18:36] <sarahS> to his user directory, certainly
[18:36] <sarahS> (or her)
[18:36] <sarahS> :)
[18:38] <jhutchins> sarahS: What are you using for sftp?
[18:39] <sarahS> openssh
[18:39] <jhutchins> sarahS: Is the user allowed to run a shell?
[18:39] <sarahS> jhutchins: ^
[18:39] <raub> sarahS: can you scp a file to the account?
[18:40] <sarahS> hmm....they shouldn't be able to, but mabe they can. I should check that
[18:40] <cauu-10> hi
[18:40] <jhutchins> sarahS: How do you prevent them from logging in to a shell?
[18:41] <sarahS> honestly, i don't know.
[18:41] <Xhisor> Anyone using hybrid graphics that feels like they could help me with a really annoying problem?
[18:42] <lmat> How do I tell where a particular package (reported by apt-cache search) is found? I have g++-4.8 on my computer, but I can't seem to get it onto a virtual machine with the same OS
[18:42] <lmat> Working with Ubuntu 12.04.
[18:42] <lmat> I think I may have had to do a trick to get g++-4.8 (download a .deb ?, PPA?)
[18:42] <lmat> But I don't remember, and now I wish apt-* would remind me :)
[18:42] <sarahS> and it looks like they can...:/
[18:44] <jhutchins> sarahS: So what steps have you taken so far to configure access?  How are you testing user ability to write?
[18:45] <jhutchins> sarahS: Is there some guide you're following?
[18:45] <TJ-> lmat: "apt-cache policy $PACKAGE"
[18:45] <sarahS> jhutchins: bash command line on osx, transmit ftp client,
[18:47] <litropy> Is there a Windows Product Key finder for Ubuntu/Linux?
[18:47] <jhutchins> sarahS: I would try scp as suggested before, and possibly test rsync as well.
[18:47] <lmat> TJ-: Ah, excellent. PPA!
[18:47] <sarahS> jhutchins: as far as any guide...i haven't found what i'm looking for yet. (at least not one that solves anything yet)
[18:47] <reisio> litropy: is that in the registry?
[18:48] <reisio> sarahS: what're you looking for?
[18:48] <litropy> reisia, Hm. Good point. I wiped the whole drive.
[18:48] <jhutchins> sarahS: By default, any folder that the user could write to is writable via scp and rsync.
[18:48] <jhutchins> sarahS: You can lock that down a couple of ways, but the "right" way is via sshd.conf restricting the user to the sftp command.
[18:49] <sarahS> jhutchins,sure. the user that will be uploading assets will be GUI only. and will probably need a tutorial on even that
[18:49] <jhutchins> sarahS: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20080220110039
[18:49] <sarahS> reisio: just trying to get sftp file writing for a jailed user working
[18:49] <reisio> litropy: wiped how?
[18:49] <litropy> reisia, gParted
[18:49] <jhutchins> sarahS: Get the configuration right with the CLI first, then work out the client.
[18:50] <reisio> sarahS: seems like that'd work by default no?
[18:50] <reisio> sarahS: might want to talk to #macosx if that's the OS in question
[18:50] <sarahS> one would think
[18:50] <reisio> rssh is supposed to help with configurations like that
[18:50] <sarahS> CLI times out on ls....GUI works, but can't write
[18:50] <sarahS> so, I'm going the opposite direction :p
[18:51] <jhutchins> sarahS: WHat did you do to "jail" the user?
[18:51] <sarahS> 1 sec
[18:52] <jhutchins> sarahS: I don't understand "CLI times out on ls".  scp is copy to or from, as is rsync.  No ls available.
[18:54] <sarahS> ls means list...when sftping into the server via command line interface, i can log in, but not do anything useful before the connection times out.   I assume that is a client problem, so I'm trying to not get hung up on that
[18:54] <reisio> rssh :)
[18:55] <josvuk> hi, whats the newest version available for ppc ?
[18:56] <jhutchins> sarahS: I think you'll find the instructions in that article I linked are clear and complete for the server side.
[18:56] <jhutchins> sarahS: Like I said, prove that it works with the basic built-in commands and go from there.
[18:56] <jhutchins> sarahS: I have a client that uses this from his Mac, but I don't know any of the details on his end, just the linux end.
[18:57] <sarahS> jhutchins: this is what i've been following
[18:57] <sarahS> http://blog.srmklive.com/2013/04/24/how-to-setup-sftp-server-ftp-over-ssh-in-ubuntu/
[18:57] <sarahS> ill read what you sent.
[18:57] <reisio> josvuk: you'd probably want Debian for PPC
[18:58] <reisio> Ubuntu doesn't officially support PPC anymore AFAIK
[18:58] <rypervenche> How can I save ufw rules after I insert them so that they will be there should the server shutdown improperly?
[18:58] <reisio> and its original support was largely just what Debian did, undoubtedly
[18:58] <rypervenche> Is there an init script save option or something similar?
[18:58] <urda> I'm attempting to edit my sudoders file (visudo of course) to allow for my own user to run `iftop` with no password, and no shell escape. I have this : myuser   ALL= (root) NOPASSWD:NOEXEC: /usr/sbin/iftop ... but I can't seem to get iftop to start up without prompting for sudo + password why is that?
[18:58] <reisio> rypervenche: undoubtedly
[19:00] <jhutchins> sarahS: Never trust someone who uses webmin on matters of system administration.
[19:00] <josvuk> hm, so debian 7.4 is best for powerbook?
[19:01] <reisio> rypervenche: for a in $(dpkg -L ufw | grep -i bin); do man $(basename "$a"); done
[19:01] <reisio> jhutchins: I like you :)
[19:01] <jhutchins> sarahS: Defining it by group instead of by individual user is a good policy though.
[19:01] <reisio> josvuk: best for powerbook is a recycling service, but after that, yes I'd say Debian
[19:02] <sarahS> jhutchins: i have it writing to /home/user/pubic now. thanks.  now I'm just trying to restrict the user to the sftp command via sshd.conf as you suggested
[19:03] <reisio> sarahS: 's'what rssh is for :)
[19:04] <urda> reisio: you a funny guy
[19:04] <sarahS> reisio: ah, thanks
[19:05] <llutz> sftponly via sshd_config works fine, doesn't need any aditional package, only 1 config to adjust once
[19:06] <reisio> right, it's so easy, that's why rssh was created :p
[19:06] <reisio> 'cause people couldn't toggle a single pref
[19:06]  * reisio rolls eyes
[19:06] <Urlich> Hi
[19:06] <reisio> hi Urlich
[19:07] <llutz> reisio: wrong, opensshs internal sftp is much younger than rssh, it makes rssh obsolete in some setups
[19:07] <sarahS> can you disable listing .profile, .bash_logout, .bash_rc etc?
[19:08] <reisio> llutz: saying "obsolete in some setups" indicates a failure in knowing the definition of 'obsolete'
[19:08] <b1g3m> Afternoon Earthlings!
[19:08] <reisio> just sayin'
[19:08] <Urlich> Does anyone have any experience with Ubuntus MTA Postfix?
[19:08] <reisio> af'ernoon
[19:09] <willwh> Urlich: lots of people do
[19:09] <willwh> !ask Urlich
[19:09] <willwh> wups
[19:09] <willwh> what;s your question
[19:10] <Urlich> willwh: OK how about this error: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1118446 ?
[19:12] <willwh> mailserver over a wireless network? :E
[19:12] <Pici> What does postfix have to do with that bug?
[19:12] <llutz> !details | Urlich
[19:13] <Urlich> ubottu: Keep getting this error when updating, installing pkgs, and cleaning;
[19:14] <Urlich> willwh: ubottu: Asking me to edit /etc/postfix/main.cf
[19:14] <willwh> Urlich: that launchpad bug you linked doesn't mention that?
[19:14] <willwh> maybe try and pastebin your error?
[19:14] <Pici> Urlich: ubottu is a bot. You posted a url to a network manager bug. Ccan you start over and explain exactly what you are doing and what error you are getting?
[19:14] <llutz> detail factoid changed too....
[19:15] <Urlich> Pici: That network manager bug IS the bug I'm getting
[19:15] <llutz> Urlich: and how is that postfix related?
[19:16] <Urlich> Forget Postfix for now, we started over remember
[19:16] <llutz> Urlich: where in the bug-report is something said about changing main.cf?
[19:16] <willwh> Urlich: so this is nothing to do with postfix
[19:17] <Urlich> willwh: I'm not sure
[19:17] <jhutchins> Actually, there was a shell called sftponly, and before OpenSSH had these options that was a good way to go, but both sftponly and rssh have been found to have vulnerabilities, and I don't think sftponly is being updated any more.
[19:17] <Urlich> I can't find any updates on that bug, except that its been triaged
[19:18] <jhutchins> rssh hasn't been updated since late 2012.
[19:18] <ikonia> jhutchins: does it need an update ?
[19:19] <itop> my friend is hacking my ubuntu 12.10 with kernel parameter hacking and he changing my root password how to stop that
[19:19] <ikonia> he just booted into single user mode
[19:19] <ikonia> that is not a hack
[19:19] <itop> ya
[19:19] <ikonia> that is a a function by design
[19:19] <reisio> itop: don't give him physical access
[19:20] <reisio> unfriend him from lifebook
[19:20] <itop> i dont want that type of solution
[19:20] <reisio> physical access is the whole sphere puzzle
[19:20] <ikonia> putting a grub password on, or setting the root password in the first place will stop it booting into a single user mode without authentication
[19:20] <reisio> that's why the government puts their stuff behind big locked doors
[19:21] <willwh> itop: were you named something really similar yesterday, asking about providing access to tty1 on boot?
[19:21] <jhutchins> ikonia: Yeah.  ssl vulnerabilities have been fixed since then.
[19:21] <itop> no he is my friend
[19:21] <ikonia> jhutchins: ssl is a library, not the main product
[19:21] <reisio> itop: if he's really your friend, simply ask him to not do that
[19:21] <ikonia> jhutchins: so the update to openssl should fix those, not the actual program
[19:21] <willwh> itop: that is the only solution
[19:21] <willwh> lock your boxes away
[19:21] <willwh> you ever been to a datacentre?
[19:21] <willwh> if not - you should go, enlighten yourself
[19:21] <reisio> but bring ear plugs
[19:21] <ikonia> don't be stupid
[19:22] <willwh> haha
[19:22] <willwh> :)
[19:22] <ikonia> he is a home user, does he need to go to a data cente r- no
[19:22] <ikonia> help him or stop with the stupid comments
[19:22] <reisio> ear plugs and a portable a/c
[19:22] <reisio> ikonia: seems a simple enough way to learn appreciation for physical protection
[19:22] <itop> no sir except putting grub password and physical access is there any posibility to stop that
[19:22] <ikonia> you can't just go into data centers, that is an unrealistic thing to suggest, also, home users don't need to go to data centers
[19:22] <ikonia> itop: what else do you need ?
[19:22] <reisio> itop: you cannot stop someone with physical access from doing anything at all that they please
[19:23] <ikonia> itop: the information I've given you will stop that, why ar eyou looking for more ?
[19:23] <reisio> itop: it's a physical impossibility
[19:23] <reisio> itop: unless... they're your friend and you can just ask them not to
[19:23] <itop> with /etc/securetty can i do that
[19:23] <reisio> ikonia: huh, how do they get the computers and techs into those centers I wonder
[19:23] <diego_diego> Hi all, I just got wwan card working on ubuntu 13.10 running on lenovo laptop, however, some domains don't resolve and connection seems very slow... any thoughts?
[19:23] <ikonia> itop: no you can't
[19:23] <reisio> poor chaps must be sealed in
[19:23] <itop> i read an article in redhat reisio https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/4/html/Security_Guide/s2-wstation-privileges-noroot.html
[19:24] <jhutchins> itop: You are more likely to lock yourself out.
[19:24] <ikonia> reisio: by being customers with approved access, rather than some member of the public walking in asking for a look around
[19:24] <reisio> itop: neat
[19:24] <ikonia> itop: you're not using redhat
[19:24] <ikonia> itop: that is redhat 4 - things have chnged a lot since then
[19:24] <reisio> itop: physical access is equivalent to root access, always and forever
[19:24] <willwh> RHEL 4 = oh god run away screaming :)
[19:24] <reisio> ikonia: but you just said you can't go in!
[19:24] <bekks> itop: that article applies to an ancient rhel release mostly.
[19:24] <ikonia> reisio: want to help - help, want to make petty comments, do it elsewhere
[19:24] <reisio> it doesn't matter what it applies to
[19:24] <bekks> willwh: just hide and dont move until it is over ;)
[19:24] <reisio> there will never be a time when physical access does not get someone root access
[19:25] <reisio> ikonia: hrmm?
[19:25] <itop> then where the security for the ubuntu
[19:25] <reisio> itop: it's not an Ubuntu issue
[19:25] <ikonia> itop: did you see the information I gave you ?
[19:25] <reisio> itop: there is no OS for which physical access does not yield complete access
[19:25] <itop> ya i seen it to set grub password
[19:25] <ikonia> itop: ok - so that will fix your problem, why are you looking for other things
[19:26] <ikonia> itop: that will stop the situation you have
[19:26] <ikonia> itop: is there a reason you are ignoring this and looking at other random things ?
[19:26] <reisio> heh
[19:26] <llutz> yep, trolling works
[19:26] <itop> in internet everybody saying that only
[19:26] <ikonia> itop: I have just TOLD YOU, the SPECIFIC fix for your problem
[19:26] <itop> but i want to know why we may approach another way thats why iasked
[19:26] <ikonia> itop: why are you ignoring that and following up with redhat 4 stuff that has no relevence
[19:27] <ikonia> itop: I have told you the correct fix
[19:27] <itop> ok
[19:27] <reisio> itop: there are lots of ways you could attempt to trick _novices_ into thinking they cannot access your computer when they have physical access
[19:27] <reisio> innumerable ways
[19:27] <itop> i will ask another question
[19:27] <clue_h> clearing out everything in /etc/securetty ?
[19:28] <itop> sir if i put the reboot command in rc.local will it work at startup
[19:28] <itop> i want to hack my friend
[19:28] <TJ-> itop: You could also use GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK to encrypt the bootloader; that prevents even physical access and booting from an external device (USB flash, for example) from being able to interfere with the installation
[19:28] <ikonia> itop: that would be a stupid thing to do
[19:28] <ikonia> itop: we will not help you exploit your friend, do not ask again
[19:28] <reisio> itop: if you put it into rc.local, it will either work or it won't
[19:28] <reisio> TJ-: nope
[19:28] <itop> if that is set how to stop that
[19:28] <jhutchins> ikonia: securetty is valid on most posix systems and is still in use.
[19:28] <itop> by live cd
[19:28] <itop> ?
[19:28] <ikonia> itop: if what is set
[19:28] <itop> or any other way?
[19:28] <TJ-> reisio: "nope" what?
[19:28] <ikonia> jhutchins: it is still in use, I don't disagree on that, however it will not fix what itop wants
[19:28] <itop> if reboot command is set
[19:29] <ikonia> itop: is the reboot command set ?
[19:29] <reisio> TJ-: no, it does not prevent access
[19:29] <TJ-> reisio: Your citations please?
[19:29] <itop> at startup
[19:29] <reisio> TJ-: it does make it more involved to get it though :)
[19:29] <ikonia> itop: is the reboot command set in rc.local yes/no
[19:29] <TJ-> reisio: You're saying then, that LUKS is broken?
[19:29] <itop> yes
[19:29] <ikonia> itop: who set it
[19:29] <reisio> TJ-: no, luks just has limits
[19:29] <reisio> like everything
[19:29] <jhutchins> itop: On some systems you can lock down the boot menu and set a password for the BIOS, that would also be effective.
[19:29] <itop> no i want to try it in my machine
[19:29] <clue_h> limits.h lol
[19:29] <ikonia> itop: you don't try it
[19:29] <reisio> clue_h: heh
[19:30] <ikonia> itop: we will not help you play tricks on your friend - do you understand ?
[19:30] <jhutchins> itop: Nothing is 100% except a promise from your friend that he won't mess with your machine.
[19:30] <reisio> itop: but #defocus will, to a certain extent
[19:31] <itop> although if i set that is there any chances by going to single user mode and delete that line in rc.local?
[19:31] <TJ-> iotop: reisio: With a sufficiently strong pass-phrase it will prevent even determined physical attacks, it'll certainly prevent interfering with the boot-loader parameters, provided no key-logger is installed. Alternatively, not installing any boot-loader on the hard-disk and only having it on a removable USB device with a key-file will defeat key-loggers
[19:31] <sjohnson> hi.  is there an apt-get command to just tell me what version of a package i have installed?
[19:32] <ikonia> sjohnson: apt-cache policy
[19:32] <sjohnson> ikonia: thank you.
[19:32] <ikonia> sjohnson: dpkg -l | grep $package
[19:32] <jhutchins> sjohnson: dpkg -l <package> as well.
[19:32] <reisio> yeah dpkg
[19:32] <sjohnson> 3 people can't all be wrong !  thanks for the help.
[19:32] <reisio> and IIRC aptitude can give you more easily parsed output
[19:32] <sjohnson> (that was quick)
[19:33] <jhutchins> reisio: It's fairly easy to check a command if you're not sure of what you're telling someone.
[19:34] <reisio> jhutchins: it sure is
[19:36] <reisio> maybe dpkg --get-selections was the one I liked
[19:37] <ui_> I set up a loop device with sizelimit parameter. But in Gparted it looks like the sizelimit is ignored. There is no error message in dmesg. So is the sizelimit honored? is this expected or is it a bug?
[19:37] <ui_> Gparted displays the size that the device would have if the sizelimit were not passed (offset is honored).
[19:38] <edoardo> hi everyone
[19:39] <reisio> edoardo: heya
[19:39] <edoardo> i usually connect to a lot of wifi networks i find in my city, and i'd like to hide my hostname to the modem (i'd like to don't show my username).
[19:39] <edoardo> how can i do that?
[19:39] <b1g3m> hello!
[19:40] <edoardo> i've already made macchanger give me a random mac on every connection
[19:40] <bekks> edoardo: Either you are connecting to a wifi network, or you are using a modem.
[19:40] <edoardo> sorry, i meant router
[19:41] <edoardo> if i go to my router page i can see "edoardo-Compaq-Presario-CQ61-No" in the "DHCP clients" page
[19:41] <edoardo> i can't figure out how to modify it
[19:41] <bekks> then just change your hostname before connecting.
[19:41] <ikonia> edoardo: it is using your hostname in the dhcp request
[19:41] <ikonia> and to be honest - grow up, it's your hostname, it means nothing
[19:41] <ikonia> if you're trying to hide - you're not supposed to be on these networks
[19:42] <edoardo> well, there is a company there, "FreeLuna"
[19:42] <ikonia> not interested in that
[19:42] <edoardo> that gives free connection without registering
[19:42] <ikonia> if you're trying to hide - you shouldn't be on these networks
[19:42] <neo1> you could always change it to "NSA" to get a laugh
[19:42] <reisio> :)
[19:42] <ikonia> or not
[19:43] <edoardo> well i'm not trying to hide
[19:43] <edoardo> i want only to modify my name
[19:43] <ikonia> you are, you just said you want to hide your hostname
[19:43] <ikonia> ok, set your hostname
[19:43] <edoardo> i don't want people to know who i am and what laptop i'm using
[19:43] <b1g3m> it's impossible to hide anymore... regardless what anyone thinks...
[19:43] <ikonia> set your hostname
[19:43] <rww> ubottu: hostname
[19:43] <edoardo> ok let me try
[19:43] <ikonia> although it means utterly nothing
[19:44] <clue_h> nano /etc/hostname
[19:44] <ikonia> and you are trying to hide as you're changing your mac address, so please don't li
[19:44] <ikonia> lie
[19:44] <ikonia> at least be honest
[19:44] <xyzaffa1r> I  accidently deleted important files in a root file manager and they didnt end up in the trash! I thought I was in a different partition, what do I do?
[19:44] <bekks> xyzaffa1r: you should restore your backup now.
[19:45] <b1g3m> lol bet he doesnt have a backup...
[19:45] <xyzaffa1r> bekks, Hah, back ups are for chumps.
[19:45] <edoardo> ikonia, the mac is unique, it's like leaving your phone number everywhere i go
[19:45] <edoardo> i feel meh about this
[19:45] <ikonia> edoardo: no it's not
[19:45] <b1g3m> hahahaha
[19:45] <ikonia> edoardo: the mac is not unique - there are other non-unique macs in the world
[19:45] <ikonia> edoardo: so again, it means nothing
[19:45] <b1g3m> if you dont have a backup, then you dont have important files...
[19:45] <bekks> xyzaffa1r: So it isnt that tragically, you just deleted data not worth being kept then. ;)
[19:45] <edoardo> ikonia, really? wow never thought of that
[19:46] <xyzaffa1r> bekks, Well, I think my family  forgot about those few hundred photos anyway
[19:46] <clue_h> change your mac.
[19:46] <edoardo> i always thought it was like a serial for every device
[19:46] <clue_h> easy
[19:46] <xyzaffa1r> Oops
[19:46] <T4b> There is a password which I don't quite remember anymore, on a Ubuntu machine. I have full access to that machine. I know the password has 8 letters and I know 7 of them for sure and the exact location of 4 of them (I think), I know which characters can appear. Is there some automated tool which brute forces the password with those additional information, starting with what I think is most similar to the actual password, going outward?
[19:46] <T4b> If you can't help me because this could also be used for malicious purposes, sorry, not going to ask something like this again in this channel. I can work around it if it needs to be. But I might just code such a tool after all, because there have been several times when I could have used it with a not quite remembered password.
[19:46] <bekks> T4b: If you have full access - why dont you set a new password?
[19:47] <b1g3m> T4b : copy paste from room to room much?
[19:47] <edoardo> the hostname method isn't working
[19:47] <edoardo> i still can see myself on my router page
[19:47] <bekks> edoardo: then you arent using it correctly.
[19:47] <reisio> T4b: what's the pass for
[19:47] <clue_h> edoardo, you need to log out and back in / restart networkmanager etc
[19:48] <ikonia> edoardo: it probably has an entry already from before you changed the hostname
[19:48] <bekks> edoardo: did you release the dhcp lease before, changed hostname and acquired a new dhcp lease?
[19:48] <bekks> clue_h: that is not sufficient.
[19:48] <clue_h> bekks, is for me
[19:48] <edoardo> bekks, yes. i removed the dhcp entry
[19:48] <edoardo> clue_h, ok let me relog
[19:48] <bekks> edoardo: which does not release the lease on the client.
[19:48] <Biomechd> hey guys, rhythmbox keeps crashing with a segmentation fault error, among other things.
[19:49] <clue_h> apt-get remove
[19:49] <T4b> bekks, b1g3m, reisio: It's not room to room, it's 15km from here. That password is written on a piece of paper which lies next to the computer. It's just an ordinary user password. I'm supposed to help the owner of the PC, so if I can't remember it anymore I'll just write an email, but if I could have avoided that it would have been nice.
[19:49] <ikonia> T4b: if you have full access you can reset his password
[19:49] <reisio> T4b: ...so it's for a user login?
[19:49] <Biomechd> clue_h: are you saying to reinstall rhythmbox?
[19:50] <clue_h> Biomechd, if you have a program that seg faults, in my opinion it might be best to be rid of it
[19:50] <T4b> reisio: yes
[19:50] <T4b> ikonia: yes, I can. But I would rather phone the owner of the computer and ask her to tell it to me.
[19:50] <bekks> clue_h: better solve the problem rather than eliminating the symptoms ;)
[19:50] <ikonia> T4b: ok, do that then
[19:50] <Biomechd> clue_h: rhythmbox comes pre-installed on ubuntu and until the past couple days, i haven't had this issue.
[19:50] <ikonia> T4b: that is quicker than trying to brute force the password
[19:51] <ikonia> T4b: 30 second phonecall instead of a complex process
[19:51] <clue_h> bekks, i could, but then again users are not bug testers for application developers, seg faults are quite serious and so it would be safer for him
[19:51] <ikonia> T4b: or set his password - rather than a complex process
[19:51] <clue_h> coming from a dev perspective
[19:52] <reisio> T4b: or just change it and add an autostart popup that has them type in their password _to_ set it _back_ to that
[19:52] <bekks> clue_h: those are totally different things. you dont need to beb a developer to hunt down a segmentation fault. Most segmentation faults indicate severe problems, not just some bug in an application.
[19:52] <reisio> that's the slickest, and most time wastingest way :)
[19:52] <clue_h> bekks, fire away then lets resolve this seg fault for him
[19:53] <T4b> ikonia: Good idea. If the computer was next to me. I'll just write an email and get the answer tomorrow (I know sending passwords via email is bad, don't care that much). Phone call at this time of the day is not possible.
[19:53] <xyzaffa1r> Oh my gosh, I just found them moved some where else
[19:53] <xyzaffa1r> Cool
[19:53] <ikonia> T4b: then he doesn't need your help if he can't take a phone call
[19:53] <Biomechd> reisio, clue_h: i have this from a couple days ago when i kept trying to open rhythmbox from the command line after it crashed during normal startup. http://pastebin.com/HhKKFQTm
[19:53] <ikonia> T4b: so wait until he is available and phone him
[19:53] <ikonia> T4b: or if it's urgent - set his password now, takes 10 seconds
[19:54] <T4b> ikonia: Not that urgent.
[19:54] <reisio> what do you even need his password for
[19:55] <clue_h> Biomechd, this might help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=800409
[19:55] <T4b> doing various things, I just installed Lubuntu on an old computer and didn't finish setting it up for the person. Want to finish it from here. Setting up backups, pulling files from Windows partitions, etc.
[19:56] <ikonia> T4b: do you have root access ?
[19:56] <ikonia> (or sudo access)
[19:56] <zen_monkey> how can i make X work on an ATI rage IIC (2Mb)?
[19:57] <T4b> ikonia: No, just normal user. The password is saved in the ssh app on my phone, which allowed me to put the key in. I don't think that app stores the password very securely, but pulling it out of there would probably be a pain anyway.
[19:57] <Kully> how can I make du show only the total, and not each folder within...
[19:57] <T4b> (s/key/my public key/)
[19:57] <ikonia> T4b: just wait until you can speak to him then
[19:57] <bekks> Kully: du -s
[19:57] <reisio> Kully: from what command?
[19:58] <T4b> ikonia: That I'll do.
[19:58] <Biomechd> reisio: (rhythmbox:26781): Rhythmbox-WARNING **: Could not open device /dev/radio0
[19:58] <Biomechd> Floating point exception
[19:58] <Kully> perfect thanks
[19:58] <reisio> Biomechd: you trying to use a radio tuner?
[19:59] <BassVI_96> do I use Archive Manager, or Synaptic, if I want to install an application from the parent web site?
[19:59] <Biomechd> reisio: no, i just want to start rhythmbox so i can listen to music on my flash drive. i've always gotten the /dev/radio0 error as far as i can remember.
[20:01] <reisio> Biomechd: then why do you care about it?
[20:01] <bekks> Biomechd: It is a warning only.
[20:01] <lduros> when using sensors my k10temp is always a little high. I've noticed some kernel versions make it less hot than others, has anyone noticed something like that too?
[20:01] <Pici> bekks: is rhythmbox starting at all, or does it just die at that point?
[20:02] <bekks> Pici: Biomechd might answer that. :)
[20:02] <Pici> bekks: yeah
[20:02] <Biomechd> reisio, bekks: i don't. what i'm concerned about is http://pastebin.com/HhKKFQTm
[20:03] <Biomechd> Pici: it counts up to like 48 artists and like 618 songs, then dies.
[20:03] <reisio> sounds like it's poorly authored, then
[20:04] <ubuntu-noob> hello?
[20:04] <ubuntu-noob> I have a problem installing ubuntu. can anyone help?
[20:04] <Biomechd> reisio: this is rhythmbox. it's come pre-installed on ubuntu for quite a while now.
[20:05] <urda> I'm attempting to edit my sudoders file (visudo of course) to allow for my own user to run `iftop` with no password, and no shell escape. I have this : myuser   ALL= (root) NOPASSWD:NOEXEC: /usr/sbin/iftop ... but I can't seem to get iftop to start up without prompting for sudo + password why is that?
[20:08] <Beldar> ubuntu-noob, For help, state the issues to the channel.
[20:09] <llutz> urda: you inserted the line at the end of sudoers?
[20:12] <Betal> there is an Ubuntu Server 13.10 32bits?
[20:15] <reisio> Betal: probably
[20:16] <doomlord_> i wish desktop wall had an option to show each monitor's desktops on that monitor (each monitor zoomed out indendantly.. but only showing what came from that monitor there)
[20:16] <reisio> doomlord_: hrmm?
[20:16] <doomlord_> i'm not sure i've seen any wm on linux do it
[20:18] <reisio> Betal: http://cosmos.cites.illinois.edu/pub/ubuntu-iso/saucy/
[20:18] <reisio> doomlord_: do what?
[20:19] <Betal> reisio: yeah, I also found it here http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.10/  (looks the same page on dif servers)
[20:20] <reisio> mmhmmm
[20:20] <MrT-RSA> Hi im planning on tethering an Android Phone to a pc running Ubuntu via USB.  Is it possible to manage the USB chargin from Ubuntu. The tethered devices will be connect via USB for long periods of time. Not sure what the effects are of excessive charing.
[20:20] <thekkid> What would be the best way for logrotate to rsync a
[20:20] <reisio> but the one I linked is closer to you :p
[20:20] <reisio> thekkid: ?
[20:21] <thekkid> What would be the best way for logrotate to rsync a file before deleting it*
[20:21] <thekkid> sorry
[20:21] <reisio> MrT-RSA: AIUI it's more to do with never letting batteries (nearly) deplete than it is to do with constantly giving them electricity
[20:21] <Betal> reisio: how you know ? :D
[20:22] <reisio> thekkid: is it important to rsync immediately before deleting, or can you separate the copying & deleting routines?
[20:22] <reisio> Betal: magicks
[20:22] <llutz> thekkid: man logrotate.conf "prerotatate --- endscript"
[20:24] <llutz> "prerotate" even
[20:24] <MrT-RSA> Im just cautius of a battery exploding. The planned tethered setup is going to be a remote system.
[20:24] <thekkid> reisio: That's fine.
[20:24] <thekkid> llutz: Thanks!
[20:26] <reisio> thekkid: sounds like you just need to cron a backup script, then
[20:26] <thekkid> reisio: Is there any way that can work for every log file and not duplicate?
[20:27] <reisio> thekkid: not duplicate?
[20:28] <MrT-RSA> This is my problem. Im building a remote pc running Ubuntu which will be locked in a locker at my campus. This machine will do my torrenting via the universitys WIFI network.   Problem is Windows/Linux machines run through a proxy and apparently Android devices do not. Is it possible to make the authenticate an Ubuntu machine as a device running android?
[20:29] <bekks> MrT-RSA: So you are trying to trick the campus network administrators?
[20:29] <Blake__> I installed dovecot-postfix on 10.04.  I can sent/receive email from localhost.  I want to be able to use Thunderbird from a Linux workstation to send/receive email through that server.  I keep getting "no auth attempts" in the log.  I tried enabling the passwd/shadow file and enabling plaintext_auth but nothing helps.  I don't know what to do next.  Can anyone tell me what to do or where to go next?  Thx!
[20:29] <reisio> MrT-RSA: made no sense, try again
[20:31] <ozubu> hi everyone, a quick tipp how can I add a usb wan adapter to network manager?
[20:31] <MonkeyDust> ozubu  what have you tried so far?
[20:32] <TJ-> ozubu: modem-manager and Network Manager should see most existing WWAN devices, either as GSM modems or as CD Ethernet devices
[20:32] <MrT-RSA> Not really, the administrators are incompetent.   Like I said.   Im building a PC running ubuntu thats going to be locked away in a locker at my uni's campus downloading via WIFI.  Windows/Linux Devices run through a proxy and android devices do not.
[20:33] <reisio> MrT-RSA: I don't accept your premise
[20:33] <clue_h> torrenting at uni? hmm
[20:33] <bekks> MrT-RSA: so you are trying to trick them.
[20:33] <reisio> why do windows/linux devices run through a proxy and android devices do not
[20:33] <reisio> and what does it matter
[20:33] <ozubu> TJ-,  I wan't to disable the built in card. I don't see a possibilty to do it
[20:33] <ozubu> I can see that card from the command line
[20:34] <ozubu> I know it's possible with wicd
[20:34] <TJ-> ozubu: Do you mean disable as in a "rfkill" of the radio, or simply not use it/have it shown by Network Manager?
[20:34] <Blake__> I pasted the info the the paste link but I do not know how to tell you where it is.
[20:34] <oxsyn> can checkinstall install required packages with apt when building a new package from source?
[20:34] <ozubu> I mean as not showing it in network manager. As in: user clicks on a network, network manager connect to this network with the usb card
[20:35] <reisio> oxsyn: I doubt it, but you could script it
[20:35] <TJ-> ozubu: You can configure Network Manager to ignore some devices, or you could go lower and change modem-manager's configuration to not manage the device
[20:36] <oxsyn> reisio: kk, any suggestions on tools to use for this?
[20:37] <Blake__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7158911/
[20:37] <MrT-RSA> Speeds through proxies are pathetic.   Not trying to fool them, just trying to get onto the network. Like I said they are pretty incompetent. Its a huge hassle connecting Ubuntu or any other linux distro to the WIFI. At the moment I am using my laptop tethered to my phone, which is connected to the wifi, to get onto the internet.   Just looking for alternatives.
[20:37] <oxsyn> build-dep doesn't work in this cause, because there is no comparable package in apt
[20:39] <ozubu> TJ-, where do I configure network manager to ignore wlan0?
[20:40] <reisio> oxsyn: bash
[20:40] <Orpheon> I've uploaded a file on Ubuntu One and made it public. Some people can download it, but others (like me) have an error: "Could not locate object"
[20:40] <Orpheon> anyone know what's happening?
[20:40] <reisio> MrT-RSA: it's pretty unlikely they're snooping devices and saying "oh, android? Okay go ahead without jumping through hoops"
[20:41] <zykotick9> Orpheon: you might want to ask in #ubuntuone
[20:41] <Orpheon> ok thanks
[20:42] <urda> llutz: sorry I got pulled aside, hm not at the end, I believe I put it under a specific comment let me look
[20:43] <llutz> urda: man sudoers |less -p multiple
[20:43] <TJ-> ozubu: "man 5 nm-settings" ... check the tables covering mobile and also table 8, Connections, and the "permissions" setting
[20:43] <llutz> urda: the order matters
[20:43] <ozubu> TJ-, thanks
[20:44] <urda> llutz: Yup I had it too soon
[20:44] <urda> llutz: I dun goofed, popped it at the very end of the sudoers file
[20:44] <urda> llutz: works now!
[20:44] <MrT-RSA> Im pretty sure they determine the type of device, os from MACs.   Windows computers needs bradford NAC to connect to to the network. For Linux its a different ball game. No one realy knows. Not even IT Services
[20:45] <reisio> MrT-RSA: you should be able to spoof it then
[20:45] <MonkeyDust> MrT-RSA  who's "they" and why don't you ask them?
[20:45] <reisio> he already knows they're not worth talking to
[20:45] <reisio> they work at a university, after all
[20:47] <austin6598> hello
[20:47] <austin6598> can someone help me
[20:48] <reisio> someone can
[20:48] <MrT-RSA> I did but they are useless.  Funny enough, 12.04 connects to campus Wifi and 13.10 doesnt.   But yea.  So slow, for mobile devices android/iOS its pretty fast.
[20:48] <austin6598> i uninstalled grub2 and the only way to boot in is via commands
[20:48] <austin6598> it says I need to load the kernal
[20:48] <austin6598> im a total noob
[20:48] <reisio> MrT-RSA: that could be a simple ipv4/v6 issue
[20:49] <reisio> austin6598: reinstall grub2
[20:49] <austin6598> i cant get into any OS
[20:49] <reisio> austin6598: use the media you installed from
[20:49] <austin6598> like the usb drive?
[20:49] <reisio> sure
[20:49] <austin6598> it wasnt mine
[20:49] <MrT-RSA> My networking experience isnt that good. It looks like im getting "kicked off" from the network.
[20:50] <reisio> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[20:50] <reisio> probably isn't that important to use the latest version just for torrenting from a locker, either
[20:50] <austin6598> what are the commands to load the kernal?
[20:51] <reisio> austin6598: it's easier to fix from a live OS
[20:52] <MrT-RSA> Yea, just the speeds that are a bit slow. But thanks reisio, I appreciate the time. Ill find a way eventually.
[20:53] <jhutchins> !fixgrub
[20:55] <jhutchins> austin6598: http://members.iinet.net/~herman546/p20/GRUB2%20How%20To%20Boot%20From%20CLI%20Mode.html
[20:56] <austin6598> i am going to try http://www.supergrubdisk.org/
[20:58] <altin_> Is there any guide on installing Gnome 3.12 in UBUNTU 13.10 ?
[20:58] <altin_> I was googling but couldn't find anything...
[21:00] <reisio> altin_: does there need to be
[21:00] <Roey> HI!  I can't get my USB3 SIIG dual-bay Hard Drive Dock or drives attachd to it recognized.  I see this message in /var/log/syslog: Mar 26 16:51:57 gear mtp-probe: checking bus 6, device 9: "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb6/6-2" / Mar 26 16:51:57 gear mtp-probe: bus: 6, device: 9 was not an MTP device
[21:04] <xangua> altin_: the source code is on gnome website if you are brave
[21:05] <schone> hello
[21:05] <schone> i have a nodes program that gets started from an upstart script utilizing SU and Suing it with some user i created  (nodejs)... when I stop the upstart script the children get killed but it doesn't seem that they are trapping the SIGTERM
[21:06] <schone> why is that?.... what is upstart and su doing that my children don't get the SIGTERM and how are they killed otherwise...?
[21:06] <lmat> schone: silly you. If you use systemd, you will never have any problems!
[21:07] <schone> lmat: unfortunately it's not up to me to determine what will be used :(
[21:07] <schone> but can anyone explain the behavior i described?
[21:07] <lmat> schone: :-P
[21:07] <schone> and why would systemd not have those problems?
[21:07] <lmat> schone: So I guess you're expecting child processes of your nodes program to trap SIGTERM ?
[21:08] <schone> exactly
[21:08] <schone> and I'm expecting them to receive that SIGTERM that the main process got... but they arent
[21:09] <MedicalJaneParis> anyone know what can cause UFW to block when it shouldn't?
[21:09] <MedicalJaneParis> i have port 80 allowed, yet i still see requests being blocked
[21:09] <lmat> schone: Why do you think the sigterm will propogate to children ?
[21:10] <MedicalJaneParis> (not all, just from certain ups)
[21:10] <TJ-> schone: Are the child processes part of the same process group?
[21:10] <MedicalJaneParis> *ips
[21:10] <schone> lmat: becuz how else would those children get killed?
[21:10] <schone> TJ-: i'm not sure... how do I check the process group
[21:10] <schone> ?
[21:10] <lmat> schone: ps has some very neat graphing utilities and stuff :D
[21:11] <schone> ps -ejH
[21:11] <schone> ?
[21:11] <schone> ok
[21:11] <schone> so
[21:12] <Roey> hey I want to add the "irqpoll" option to my bootup.  How do I do this?
[21:12] <schone> the children that I'm expecting belong to the same process group as the "exec" stanza in my upstart script
[21:12] <schone> meaning they belong to the
[21:12] <schone> "su -s /bin/sh -c ....." command that is executed in the upstart script i'm starting/stopping
[21:13] <schone> so what am I missing?...
[21:14] <nyl> Hi
[21:14] <sudormrf> hey guys! quick question about rtorrent + rutorrent.  I setup my rtorrent.rc torrent port range to be 55995-56000 and I then forwarded those in my router, however rutorrent is using a port that is out of the scope (in this case, 56443).  Any idea why this may be happening?
[21:15] <nyl> Any linux gamers here?
[21:17] <xangua> ubottu: tell nyl about anyone
[21:18] <xangua> Mmm it no longer works that way?
[21:18] <xangua> !anyone | nyl
[21:19] <nyl> Planing to port a game to linux
[21:19] <akiva-mobile> nyl, nice
[21:19] <akiva-mobile> nyl, which?
[21:20] <nyl> Eternal Silence
[21:20] <akiva-mobile> nyl, okay; do you have any questions?
[21:20] <nyl> How linux works
[21:21] <TJ-> schone: "su" will have the $PPID of "sh", which will have the $PPID of the process being launched, which will in turn be the $PPID of the child processes
[21:21] <nyl> Opengl
[21:21] <akiva-mobile> nyl, ha ha, where to start :P
[21:21] <akiva-mobile> hmmm
[21:21] <akiva-mobile> !opengl
[21:21] <akiva-mobile> shucks
[21:21] <schone> TJ-: so how are the children killed?
[21:21] <nyl> Yap
[21:21] <schone> what signal do they get?
[21:21] <nyl> 7f5xfcu
[21:22] <akiva-mobile> nyl, pardon?
[21:22] <nyl> A friend is drunk
[21:22] <nyl> Sorry
[21:22] <akiva-mobile> I see. Have you ever used linux before?
[21:22] <ryao> Is there a simple guide to writing an upstart job for a daemon installed in a user's home directory?
[21:23] <nyl> We need to compile the binaries for linux
[21:23] <ryao> akiva-mobile: If I were 2 seconds quicker, I could have had a hilarious rsponse to that.
[21:23] <ryao> nyl: Which binaries?
[21:23] <ryao> s/rsponse/response/
[21:23] <nyl> The game binaries
[21:23] <rostam> HI is pysnmp supported on ubuntu?
[21:23] <ryao> nyl: Which game binaries? I just joined the channel.
[21:24] <akiva-mobile> ryao, sounds like he has been hired to port a game to linux
[21:24] <akiva-mobile> ryao, called eternal silence
[21:24] <ryao> akiva-mobile: He wants to learn how to use wineg++.
[21:24] <nyl> We want to rebuild the game for linux
[21:24] <akiva-mobile> ryao, He wants to know how opengl works :P
[21:24] <ryao> akiva-mobile: There are better channels for that.
[21:25] <akiva-mobile> nyl, ^indeed. Try #ubuntu-app-devel
[21:25] <nyl> Ok :)
[21:25] <akiva-mobile> No promises, but the best ubuntu devs are conspiring there
[21:26] <rypervenche> nyl: And good job with the decision to bring your game to Linux :)
[21:26] <akiva-mobile> nyl, ^
[21:26] <TJ-> schone: You need to look at the PPIDs once the processes are running. When the 'stop' event is fired, are "su" and "sh" killed, but nothing else, or is the process started by 'sh' also killed, but its children not killed?
[21:26] <schone> TJ-: everything gets killed
[21:26] <mdibaiee> nyl: And good job with the decision to bring your game to Linux :) [2]
[21:26] <ryao> nyl: You might like #intel-gfx.
[21:27] <sudormrf> hey guys! quick question about rtorrent + rutorrent.  I setup my rtorrent.rc torrent port range to be 55995-56000 and I then forwarded those in my router, however rutorrent is using a port that is out of the scope (in this case, 56443).  Any idea why this may be happening?
[21:27] <akiva-mobile> nyl, also, are you trying to compile it for steam, or the ubuntu software centre?
[21:27] <schone> TJ-: but for some reason my children while having code in place to trap SIGTERM/SIGHUP are not firing that code... which leads me to believe that they are not receiving that signal
[21:27] <schone> (needless to say i checked that when invoked directly and otherwise that code fires as expected)
[21:28] <nyl> Ups
[21:28] <TJ-> schone: Does the parent receive the TERM?
[21:28] <nyl> http://www.eternal-silence.net/
[21:28] <schone> TJ-: yes
[21:28] <schone> TJ-:  or at least i'm led to believe so, since it dies
[21:28] <TJ-> schone: And, so I'm clear, the parent is started by the 'sh' ?
[21:28] <akiva-mobile> ups?
[21:28] <schone> ye
[21:28] <nyl> This is the game we will port
[21:28] <schone> TJ-: yes
[21:28] <schone> I can copy paste the exec stanza
[21:28] <TJ-> schone: It might die because it is sent KILL after ignoring TERM; you should check that
[21:29] <schone> TJ-: how would i check that?
[21:29] <schone> TJ-: u mean try to trap SIGKILL
[21:29] <schone> ?
[21:29] <nyl> We hope it will help the game get back on track
[21:29] <[Gentoo]> sudormrf: in the config make sure random port isnt selected? i cant remember much about .rtorrent.rc
[21:29] <akiva-mobile> nyl, ah are you looking to attract developers?
[21:29] <[Gentoo]> sudormrf: paste the config
[21:30] <sudormrf> [Gentoo], let me have a look.  it looks like that line is commented out.  hang on
[21:30] <nyl> Yea. We are also looking for that
[21:30] <akiva-mobile> nyl, What license is it under?
[21:30] <sudormrf> [Gentoo], just uncommented it out and set it to no.
[21:30] <[Gentoo]> ok try that
[21:30] <sudormrf> [Gentoo], sec.
[21:31] <[Gentoo]> sudormrf: also, have you tried transmission-daemon? its better
[21:31] <schone> TJ-: i tried trapping for SIGKILL.... it isn't that either...
[21:31] <sudormrf> [Gentoo], transmission doesn't work with RSS unless you have the desktop client.  this is running on a server with no gui
[21:31] <TJ-> schone: "man su" ... "If su has to kill the command (because it was asked to terminate, and the command did not terminate in time), su returns 255" ... try capturing/reporting that from the upstart job
[21:31] <sudormrf> [Gentoo], still picking up some random port
[21:32] <[Gentoo]> sudormrf: ah ok, not too sure, can you paste the whole config?
[21:32] <sudormrf> [Gentoo], http://paste.ubuntu.com/7159224/ <- there is the config
[21:32] <[Gentoo]> thanks
[21:33] <[Gentoo]> weird, try a single port (no range)
[21:33] <yahyaa> can someone tell me how to make my folders open in a preview mode like it use to do automatically on my desktop in the earlier versions like 12.10 & 12.04??
[21:33] <yahyaa> im running Kubuntu 13.10 SS
[21:33] <sudormrf> [Gentoo], ok.  hang on.
[21:34] <redbaron> hey
[21:35] <sudormrf> [Gentoo], nope.  still randomizing the port.
[21:35] <sudormrf> hang on.
[21:35] <reisio> [Gentoo]: nice brackets
[21:35] <[Gentoo]> reisio: thanks
[21:35] <sudormrf> OOOOHHH
[21:35] <sudormrf> found it
[21:35] <[Gentoo]> what was it
[21:36] <nyl> akiva-mobile its closed closed source and our license doesn't allow us to recive money. Not even donations. Else we get into legal issues
[21:37] <schone> TJ-: u are correct... it did terminate with status 255
[21:37] <akiva-mobile> nyl, wierd but yah; game development is usually best served by closed source licenses. Unfortunate but true. Anyways, you should really goto #ubuntu-app-devel. Seriously
[21:38] <nyl> I will when I get back home :)
[21:39] <sudormrf> [Gentoo], there was a setting in the rutorrent gui that was overriding what I set in the rc file.
[21:39] <sudormrf> hmm
[21:39] <[Gentoo]> ah ok weird i thought rtutorrent was just a gui
[21:39] <[Gentoo]> like a web interface or something
[21:41] <sudormrf> [Gentoo], that setting is defaulting to 55995-65535.  It is a GUI front end, but this setting may be separate.  Even if I restart the machine after altering it to 55995-56000 it is reverting to 65535.
[21:41] <sudormrf> hmm.
[21:41] <sudormrf> hang on
[21:42] <[Gentoo]> why dont you just use a single port
[21:42] <[Gentoo]> to save all the messign around
[21:42] <TJ-> schone: You could use a "pre-stop" stanza to identify and send the 'parent' process (of the children) SIGTERM, if su + shell isn't passing TERM to the parent correctly
[21:43] <schone> TJ-: good idea
[21:43] <schone> ill try it out
[21:43] <sudormrf> [Gentoo], I tried that in the rc file and it didn't work.  will try it in the gui in a sec.
[21:43] <TJ-> schone: Although, can't you cut the 'sh' out of the loop and directly execute 'parent' from 'su' ?
[21:44] <[Gentoo]> sudormrf: are you altering rutorrent settings through rutorrent interface?
[21:44] <TJ-> schone: alternatively, if 'parent' is a shell script, then you need to TRAP SIGTERM and then fire off SIGTERMS to the child processes from 'parent'
[21:44] <[Gentoo]> maybe you need like an rutorrent.rc or something
[21:44] <[Gentoo]> to make it permanent
[21:44] <sudormrf> [Gentoo], no.  I am altering them in the rc file.
[21:44] <schone> TJ-: do u mean just use "sh -c"... instead of "sh -s /bin/sh -c"
[21:44] <schone> ?
[21:44] <sudormrf> rutorrent is supposed to read from the rc file
[21:45] <kenn_> hello people
[21:45] <reisio> 'lo
[21:45] <TJ-> schone: I thought you had something like "su -s /bin/sh /path/to/parent" ... why not "su -s /path/to/parent" ?
[21:46] <TJ-> schone: (without the "-s" obviously!)
[21:46] <kenn_> I'm unable to compile awn from source
[21:47] <w_a> on ubuntu 12.04  when a raid (md1) rebuild  or checks it self what file do it send the log to ?
[21:48] <ponyofdeath> hi, anyone else having issues with sshd init script on 14.04 if i do /etc/init.d/ssh reload or restart i get exit code 1
[21:48] <TJ-> w_a: I think that depends on /etc/mdadm.conf
[21:48] <w_a> ok il check that file
[21:48] <bekks> w_a: cat /proc/mdstat if I recall that correctly.
[21:48] <w_a> ye i know that file ahs it but no timestamp on it
[21:48] <schone> TJ-: what I have is
[21:48] <w_a> i am setting up a syslog server and whant that info to in it
[21:49] <schone> exec su -s /bin/sh -c 'PATH=$PATH:$NODE_HOME/bin $MY_NODE_CMD 2>&1' nodejs >> /var/log/nodejs/nodejs.log
[21:49] <bekks> then configure mdadm.conf to syslog, and syslog to a remote syslog server.
[21:49] <w_a> ok thanks
[21:51] <klemax> hello
[21:52] <klemax> when i tried to install hamachi, i got that: http://pastebin.com/qzFy1aVe
[21:52] <klemax> is there a way to fix it?
[21:52] <austin6598> how can i boot linux from command prompt
[21:53] <bekks> austin6598: having a command prompt, your linux most likely already booted.
[21:53] <geirha> heh, the error reporting code has an error
[21:54] <sudormrf> [Gentoo], still doesn't work.  it is grabbing a setting from somewhere.
[21:54] <austin6598> i select boot to hard disk and then a command thing comes up asking me to load the kernal
[21:54] <sudormrf> let me see if I can find some errant conf
[21:54] <austin6598> usually it has a list of OS's
[21:55] <bekks> austin6598: So you are at the grub command prompt?
[21:55] <TJ-> austin6598: That sounds like the grub rescue prompt, is it?
[21:56] <austin6598> i can do that or boot to hard disk or whatever the first option is
[21:57] <austin6598> what is the command to load the linux kernal?
[21:57] <[Gentoo]> austin6598: you could try chrooting in and updating grub
[21:57] <[Gentoo]> it should pick up the kernels
[21:58] <austin6598> what is "chrooting" and i accidently uninstalled a part of grub
[21:58] <bekks> austin6598: Which ubuntu version did you use?
[21:58] <[Gentoo]> that might be something to do with the problem
[21:59] <austin6598> i dont think its ubuntu but i figured the process would be the same
[21:59] <bekks> austin6598: So what is it then, if it isnt Ubuntu?
[21:59] <austin6598> suse
[21:59] <bekks> austin6598: Then please ask the suse support channel :9
[22:00] <austin6598> where is that exactly?
[22:00] <bekks> austin6598: /join #suse
[22:01] <kenn_> Is there anybody  who built  awn from source in Ubuntu 13.04?
[22:02] <bekks> kenn_: 13.04 is already eol.
[22:03] <devin_postman> Hello, I am trying to download a application from ubuntu software center, and when i click buy all it does it load and then give me an error. Can anyone Help ?
[22:03] <kenn_> I know it ends eol but I use it because I customized it to my preference
[22:04] <devin_postman> ?
[22:04] <bekks> kenn_: Well, then you are out of support, effectively.
[22:04] <bekks> devin_postman: So what is the error you get?
[22:04] <devin_postman> Hold on, I will click it again.
[22:07] <independent> in ubuntu 13.10 usb live my dash home used to respond but now it does no more ALT + F2 not working either anymore
[22:08] <devin_postman> It says unable to load page,and it says problem with load the url https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/tos/plain/
[22:08] <independent> now I cannot launch the gnome terminal
[22:08] <independent> ... any helpers?
[22:09] <klemax> how to enable /dev/net/tun on my box?
[22:09] <bekks> klemax: thats possible as root only.
[22:10] <devin_postman> @bekks Is there any fix ?
[22:10] <devin_postman> It says unable to load page,and it says problem with load the url https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/tos/plain/
[22:10] <klemax> bekks: when i tried to install hamachi, i got that: http://pastebin.com/qzFy1aVe
[22:10] <klemax> bekks: i guess this problem is related to tun kernel module.
[22:11] <independent> Im not in a hurry but I would like some help soon ... kthx
[22:14] <dhaval2712> Hello? So I'm trying to extract audio. http://paste.fedoraproject.org/88794/95845575/ This is the command I'm using. Unfortunately it's extracting the entire file. I understand that -to requires HH:MM:SS format which this isn't but I tried that and it doesn't work.
[22:14] <bekks> klemax: so which kernel are you using exactly, running which ubuntu?
[22:14] <klemax> bekks: 3.13.0-5-generic
[22:14] <JSONS> Does anyone know how to fix the error were you download an application from the software center ?
[22:14] <reisio> dhaval2712: :/
[22:14] <bekks> klemax: Running which Ubuntu?
[22:15] <klemax> bekks: 13.04 server
[22:15] <dhaval2712> Hey reisio.
[22:15] <bekks> klemax: 13.04 is EOL.
[22:15] <dhaval2712> ##linux is pretty quiet.
[22:15] <reisio> uhuh...
[22:15] <klemax> bekks: yeah, i will uprade it, but before i should fix this error. :)
[22:16] <independent> any ways to access GNOME Terminal other than DASH HOME, because this one is unresponsive ?
[22:16] <JSONS> yes
[22:16] <JSONS> "CTRL-T"
[22:16] <dhaval2712> What do you want me to say, I thought somebody would have an idea about this.
[22:16] <OerHeks> ctrl alt t
[22:16] <bekks> klemax: Nope. First update, then fix.
[22:16] <JSONS> my bad my bad
[22:17] <independent> thx
[22:17] <klemax> bekks: ok.
[22:18] <klemax> bekks: after that, what must i do ?
[22:19] <bekks> klemax: you should pick the correct deb for 13.10 and try again.
[22:20] <klemax> bekks: they give only 64 bit .deb, the OS version is not important for them.
[22:20] <CircuitPowers> I have been coding Linux stuff that many of you have probably enjoyed. Im a university student (7 universities to be fair)... My favourite playing station was ATARI... and AMIGA... Now im starting to see those magnificent coders yet again but i cant to see mush more. Can i do that please!
[22:21] <reisio> CircuitPowers: hrmm?
[22:21] <dhaval2712> CircuitPowers: What?
[22:21] <CircuitPowers> reisio: Yes ?
[22:21] <independent> unable to locate package xrdp in ubuntu 13.10
[22:21] <independent> fix?
[22:21] <bekks> !info rdesktop
[22:22] <reisio> independent: you want an rdp server?
[22:22] <Zune> anyone in here who uses plex media server, and connect to a samba with acl's and NIS usercontrole
[22:22] <independent> yes
[22:22] <independent> reiso
[22:22] <reisio> independent: why rdp specifically?
[22:22] <TJ-> klemax: Are you trying to run it inside LXC?
[22:22] <independent> because i have another laptop that uses windows and i use it as client
[22:22] <CircuitPowers> bekks: Heavyload desktop for those who wants to transfer a desktop in the most inefficient way possible.
[22:22] <CircuitPowers> Idiom
[22:23] <klemax> TJ- : yeah it is a virtual server. Based vmware..
[22:23] <CircuitPowers> Any more microsofters ?
[22:23] <independent> and I prefer using mstsc builtin rdp
[22:23] <CircuitPowers> !AssembleX3C7
[22:24] <klemax> TJ-: is it a problem for me?
[22:24] <CircuitPowers> msc clock you mean ?
[22:24] <CircuitPowers> Its really rtc
[22:24] <independent> reisio
[22:25] <reisio> independent: well
[22:25] <CircuitPowers> Real Time Clock
[22:25] <reisio> independent: it'll probably be simpler to install a vnc server, and a client on windows, but
[22:25] <reisio> independent: I'm sure you can get an xrdp .deb
[22:27] <independent> why isnt it in the apt-get anymore>
[22:27] <independent> ?
[22:28] <reisio> independent: IIRC nobody maintains it, because it's a 3rd party implementation of proprietary Windows nonsense
[22:28] <reisio> such things always die, it's their nature
[22:28] <independent> i see
[22:28] <CircuitPowers> UBUNTU ? Seems microsoft destroyed it
[22:28] <TJ-> klemax: I didn't think a vmware guest should be affected, but containers like openVZ/Virtuozzo and LXC (Linux containers using cgroups) often have restrictions that prevent it
[22:29] <CircuitPowers> They did all they could. I hate them and they will be Duked ;)
[22:29] <klemax> TJ-: I see.
[22:29] <CircuitPowers> England - Watch out you bitches :)
[22:29] <klemax> TJ-: im gonna try enabling tun module with modprobe.
[22:30] <davidrsmorris> independent, I'd look at ppas or source packages, since it's community maintained anyway.
[22:30] <TJ-> klemax: I rather thought you'd already loaded the tun module :)
[22:30] <CircuitPowers> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxyFF6moTnY
[22:31] <klemax> TJ-: i'm not sure if it is enabled in 3.13.0-5-generic kernel as default.
[22:32] <TJ-> CircuitPowers: Please don't stray off-topic; this is a support channel... try #ubuntu-offtopic for miscellaneous chat
[22:32] <CircuitPowers> W es ad nochtem relincitatem est e-no worries. The united will always befall evil.
[22:32] <TJ-> klemax: "grep CONFIG_TUN /boot/config-`uname -r`  "
[22:33] <klemax> TJ-: i think it is not built-in right?
[22:33] <klemax> they usually put them as a module.
[22:34] <TJ-> klemax: "CONFIG_TUN=y" means it is built-in, "CONFIG_TUN=m" means it is a module
[22:34] <klemax> so i should still use modprobe.
[22:35] <klemax> TJ-: its CONFIG_TUN=m
[22:36] <reisio> I use builtin for things that I always use, unless they only work as a module, which is rare
[22:36] <klemax> reisio: if it is as a module, i always have to use modprobe, right?
[22:37] <reisio> klemax: well, you can tell your startup config to load it for you
[22:37] <reisio> but it must always be loaded somehow
[22:37] <reisio> automatically or otherwise
[22:38] <reisio> unless you don't want to use it for some duration, for some reason :p
[22:39] <klemax> reisio: if you have free time, i would like to tell my problem properly.
[22:39] <klemax> Because im not still sure if it is really related to tun module.
[22:39] <CircuitPowers> Mja, kanske vill de höra våra gamla sånger också. De är ju trots allt inte dåliga eller ens till dags datum icke politiskt korrekta. Men tyck görna till om detta om någon vill . Själv gillar jag tex DiaPsalma osv.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IEAOytwmQ4
[22:39] <sjohnson> wut
[22:39] <klemax> reisio: I'm trying to install hamachi. I got a .deb package for it.
[22:40] <reisio> klemax: channel isn't going anywhere
[22:40] <kostkon> CircuitPowers, please stop spamming
[22:40] <klemax> reisio: i got that: http://pastebin.com/qzFy1aVe
[22:40] <CircuitPowers> sjohnson: Its really "whut" my man :)
[22:41] <kostkon> i think CircuitPowers is a spambot
[22:41] <sjohnson> i'm afraid to click the link.  it might be some sort of strange euro dungeon porn that i might feel guilty about getting an erection over.
[22:41] <CircuitPowers> I think kostkeff is really Putin
[22:41] <reisio> klemax: probably missing kernel support for that device
[22:42] <TJ-> klemax: Have you loaded the tun module?
[22:42] <independent> how to run gkedit nautilus in terminal?
[22:42] <klemax> TJ-: modprobe tun
[22:42] <reisio> mmm, dungeon
[22:42] <independent> my alt +f2 is not working
[22:42] <TJ-> klemax: And is it loaded ("lsmod | grep tun") ?
[22:43] <klemax> yeah.
[22:44] <TJ-> klemax: I'll test it here
[22:44] <klemax> Okay.
[22:45] <norbert_> http://www.test.com/
[22:46] <CircuitPowers> I see the younglings strive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRKssG_gwzg
[22:46] <TJ-> klemax: The package installs correctly here; although I have the tun module built-in
[22:46] <klemax> TJ-: whats your kernel?
[22:48] <osse> I've installed both 13.10 and 14.04 beta. In both cases the live environment is perfect but after booting the actually installed system everything is slow; mouse and keyboard input is laggy. Is there a difference in which video driver (for example) is used? I have a fairly recent nvidia card
[22:49] <TJ-> klemax: 3.14
[22:49] <klemax> TJ-: okay, thanks.
[22:50] <TJ-> klemax: I'm looking at the package's postinst file, this is it:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7159548/
[22:50] <CircuitPowers> To the Ubuntu coders... Why are tyring to destroy Linux you windows morons of microsoft ?
[22:50] <daftykins> no devs are here
[22:51] <TJ-> klemax: Can you show me this: "find /dev/net -ls | pastebinit"
[22:51] <CircuitPowers> I know 60% of the devs. We can easily call it and begin coding on the next system
[22:52] <klemax> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7159553/
[22:52] <CircuitPowers> daftykins: Sit down in class if you please.
[22:52] <TJ-> klemax: Do you still get the installation error with the module loaded, because that looks correct
[22:54] <klemax> TJ-: Let me install it again.
[22:54] <amagee> Interesting problem: as of booting my computer (ubuntu 13.10) this morning, the mouse cursor has gone crazy.. every time I move the mouse it insists on moving the cursor back to the exact same point almost instantly, making the mouse unusable. Persists after reboot and also after changing the USB port the mouse is plugged into. The mouse still works fine in Windows though. Any ideas?
[22:55] <CircuitPowers> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t38vx3tqTMU
[22:55] <CircuitPowers> Awesome !
[22:57] <josef_> i installed gcc but there is no stdio.h in /usr/include Im on ubuntu 6.04 ppc
[22:58] <CircuitPowers> Good morning peoples, This is Magnus from Sweden and many of our friends here in Denmark, Finland and Norway. We appreciate that you have been calm during this phaze.
[22:58] <TJ-> amagee: Have you recently installed additional packages, such as unclutter?
[22:58] <amagee> TJ-: not that i can think of
[22:58] <CircuitPowers> We love you, whom ever you are.
[22:58] <amagee> i don't know what unclutter is
[22:59] <TJ-> josef_: The package it comes in is "libc6-dev"
[22:59] <amagee> unclutter isn't installed
[23:00] <CircuitPowers> amagee: Discard clutter, is whatever you want it to be. Mostly not within MosEisly.
[23:00] <amagee> mmhmm
[23:01] <CircuitPowers> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t38vx3tqTMU
[23:01] <TJ-> amagee: ignore CircuitPowers , it's a spam 'bot
[23:02] <daftykins> odd bot 0o
[23:02] <CircuitPowers> TJ: You arent TJ... want to play with tj and the drogorn ?
[23:02] <cfgnunes> Someone here is from Brazil?
[23:02] <CircuitPowers> TJ coded PROFTPD
[23:02] <CircuitPowers> Now, you can play if you wish ?
[23:02] <pfifo> Im using VLC to play a icecast stream, but every time I connect it pops up a box asking for my username and password, is there a way to get VLC to remember this info? I already tried putting my usename and password in the URL, that didnt work
[23:03] <CircuitPowers> But be aware you may not like it ...
[23:03] <NicholasC> Hey guys, I'm looking to backup the date from tiw servers on a third server. One is a Windows Server and the other is an ubuntu server. The destination is Ubuntu as well. I'd like to do this with FTP. Are there any packages or things that could make this a bit easier?
[23:03] <CircuitPowers> Wanna play ?
[23:05] <pfifo> NicholasC: if you want to make it easier dont use ftp, use rsync
[23:05] <CircuitPowers> pfifo: Transmitting, wants to have a static user/pass ... Make it so.
[23:06] <pfifo> CircuitPowers: I dont understand, what is transmitting?
[23:06] <NicholasC> pfifo: That would work for the Ubuntu server, but that still leaves me stuck with the Windows server. To define it a bit further: I'm trying to use Axigen Mailserver's FTP backup functionality. Thanks so far :)
[23:06] <josef_> hm, synaptic  can't find libc6-dev package ?
[23:06] <josef_> where to search for it
[23:07] <NicholasC> pfifo, there seems to be an rsync port for windows. That might as well work.
[23:07] <independent> How do I access vino preferences?
[23:08] <pfifo> josef_: just install it with apt-get, 'sudo apt-get install libc6-dev'
[23:08] <CircuitPowers> Do not use rsync unless its over ssh.
[23:08] <JFranks> Ha! I outsmarted canonical.. I was trying to wget the latest release from the shell to get an iso for building a VM.. and if you go to the ubuntu download page, pick the 32-bit server lts, start the download, cancel it, and then go look at the file name and then do that with the latest version of the server distro (always AMD64) you can figure out that  http://ubuntu-cd.mirror.iweb.ca//saucy/ubuntu-13.10-server-i386.iso is what I need to wget!
[23:09] <JFranks> Lord knows putting the path somewhere on the downloads page would be TOO EASY..
[23:09] <pfifo> JFranks: or you can just browse through any of the hundred or so mirrors
[23:10] <pfifo> JFranks: http://archive.ubuntu.com
[23:10] <JFranks> pfifo: I've been doing IT work too long.. I cannot navigate user-friendly websites well any more.. :)
[23:10] <josef_> hm, apt-get needs a internet conection, right or can i configure it to install packages form cd?
[23:10] <IdleOne> CircuitPowers: please limit your comments in here to ubuntu specific issues. Also, when helping try being helpful.
[23:10] <ammini> Hi there, I'm using 13.10. While I select Places> Home, I've Disk Usage Analyzer showing me the disk usage. I googled and found some suggestions (http://askubuntu.com/questions/288270/disk-usage-analyzer-replacing-nautilus), but that isn't apparently fixing the issue. Any other pointers?
[23:11] <JFranks> pfifo: Like how at the top it mentions a link to the releases for more technical users.. but I didn't see it there.
[23:11] <CircuitPowers> Those whom i code for is generally the people. I like to hear about the codes i make. And over the years i must say i love all of your inputs and outputs. Youre clearly a  crowd of my liking (Dont worry, i like most of those)
[23:11] <TJ-> josef_: The installation ISO path is usually in "/etc/apt/sources.list" as "deb cdrom: ..."
[23:11] <ammini> After trying the most recommended answer from the above thread, while I try to open a directroy from Alt+F2, I get 'No application is registered as handling this file'
[23:12] <IdleOne> CircuitPowers: you can join #ubuntu-ops if you wish to discuss why I have muted you.
[23:13] <klemax> TJ-: very interesting... after reboot, when I run "modprobe tun"...
[23:13] <klemax> TJ-: it gives: libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod.c:554 kmod_search_moddep: could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/3.13.0-5-generic/modules.dep.bin'
[23:13]  * ammini hopes to get an answer!
[23:14] <TJ-> klemax: ouch! "sudo depmod -a"
[23:14] <jasabella> if i run apt-get upgrade-dist on LTS, will it "ruin" the LTS-stability?
[23:14] <pfifo> !details | ammini: an answer to what? You never actuall asked a question.
[23:15] <ammini> pfifo: Thanks for the suggestion from bot. I did ask a question, in case you missed it.
[23:15] <JFranks> ammini: What pfifo said.. I don't see your question. Just a statement.
[23:17] <ammini> How could you stop disk usage analyzer doing file manager job in 13.10?
[23:17] <josef_> in my sources.list there is no entry deb cdrom, so what to write exactly for using the cdrom as installation media for libc6-dev?
[23:17] <josef_> simply deb cdrom: ?
[23:18] <josef_> or does the installation media simply don't has the package libc6-dev ?
[23:19] <pfifo> ammini: can you pastebin the output of 'ls -la /etc/alternatives/'
[23:19] <TJ-> josef_: "man 5 apt.conf" and search for "cdrom" (press "/cdrom" then Enter)
[23:21] <ammini> pfifo: Sure. I'm logging from that machine to get you the output. Thank you.
[23:22] <TJ-> josef_: I'd doubt libc-dev will be on the install media; you'll need to get it from "deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu $(lsb_release -sc) main"
[23:22] <pfifo> Im using VLC to play a icecast stream, but every time I connect it pops up a box asking for my username and password, is there a way to get VLC to remember this info? I already tried putting my usename and password in the URL, that didnt work
[23:23] <ammini> pfifo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7159728/
[23:25] <pfifo> ammini: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[23:25] <ammini> pfifo: 13.10
[23:25] <Guest24355> Hi all I was wondering if someone could help me migrate a wubi install
[23:25] <ammini> pfifo: I've it upgraded from 12.10->13.04->13.10
[23:26] <daftykins> Guest24355: 'migrate' ?
[23:26] <Guest24355> well let me explain my situation daftykins
[23:27] <Guest24355> I have 2 hdds, first has a windows install and I used wubi to put ubuntu on my other HDD
[23:27]  * daftykins settles down with a cup of cocoa
[23:27] <daftykins> okie dokie
[23:27] <pfifo> ammini: did you try the other answers on that page?
[23:27] <Guest24355> now my windows install fails to boot and I no longer want to use windows
[23:28] <pfifo> i want a cup of cocoa
[23:28] <daftykins> Guest24355: ah ok, so is copying your ubuntu installs /home data off going to be enough or do you want more?
[23:28] <Guest24355> i want a full install basically, one issue w/ wubi is the 30 GB home size I have
[23:29] <ammini> pfifo: Yes. After doing either of the step, now I don't see the Places Icon. While trying to open /home/<user> in Alt+F2 is says 'No application is registered as handling this file'.
[23:29] <Guest24355> my bios won't boot from usb so I can't install like that
[23:29] <ammini> This is my wife's laptop, she can't use terminal to explore the filesystem. So I somehow want to make Places working again.
[23:29] <jak2000> http://pastebin.com/jCrpWmB9    ->  after line 9 i want ask: if $DATABASE<>"mysql" or $DATABASE<>"mysql"  then echo "Mesage $DATABASE" > /tmp/file.txt  how do this?
[23:30] <Guest24355> so could I format my first HDD and just move my wubi install and basically have a full install there?
[23:30] <davidrsmorris> ammini, try reinstalling nautilus, if that doesn't work, install Thunar or Rox-filer.
[23:31] <ammini> davidrsmorris: Re-installing nautilus after rolling back the changes I made to baobab.desktop file ?
[23:32] <daftykins> Guest24355: hrmm is it really that old it won't boot from USB? if you had external storage i'd backup to that, then totally clean install from DVD if you can write one
[23:32] <TJ-> jak2000: "if [ "x$DATABASE"!="xmysql" ]; then echo "Message $DATABASE" > /tmp/file.txt; fi  "
[23:33] <Guest24355> Yeah it's a real bummer I created the bootable usb then went to change bios boot order and usb wasn't in it.
[23:33] <daftykins> Guest24355: it could be that your flash drive is seen as a kind of hard disk, did you look there too?
[23:33] <Guest24355> I'd like to do it w/o DVD but I guess I'll just do what you say if that's the only way
[23:34] <daftykins> well i'd recommend getting off WUBI as quickly as possible - it's nasty :)
[23:34] <Guest24355> ya i got suckered into it dafty ;)
[23:34] <davidrsmorris> ammini, I missed that part of the discussion.  You changed baobab.desktop in /usr/share/applications and broke nautilus?
[23:34] <daftykins> ^_^
[23:34] <pfifo> ammini: pastebin the outpu of 'apt-get -s purge baobab'
[23:34] <daftykins> Guest24355: do you have an external disk to backup?
[23:35] <Guest24355> no I don't
[23:35] <Guest24355> though I don't really have any important data on this machine
[23:35] <Guest24355> I think I will boot with usb again and see if it shows up in HDD
[23:36] <Guest24355> thanks for your help daftykins
[23:36] <daftykins> np \o
[23:36] <ammini> pfifo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7159788/
[23:37] <pfifo> ammini: run 'sudo apt-get purge baobab'
[23:39] <ammini> pfifo: Done. Should logout and log back in?
[23:39] <pfifo> ammini: does places work?
[23:40] <ammini> pfifo: I don't see Places after purging baobab.
[23:41] <pfifo> does any fime manager activity work?
[23:41] <pfifo> file*
[23:43] <davidrsmorris> has anyone stopped the skype icon from appearing?  I have a WM which supports tray icons, and I don't know how to stop Skype from asking for one.
[23:43] <ammini> pfifo: Well, I'd start applications from the Applications Menu, can right click the desktop and select settings/CHange Desktop
[23:44] <ammini> pfifo: While trying 'dpkg-reconfigure nautilus' I get /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: nautilus is broken or not fully installed
[23:45] <pfifo> ammini: how often do you update and (dist-)upgrade
[23:45] <ammini> pfifo: That was the last suggestion in the askubuntu.com thread.
[23:45] <ammini> pfifo: I believe whenever we get a notification about updates.
[23:46] <pfifo> ammini: why dont you run 'sudo apt-get update' then 'sudo apt-get upgrade' and follow it with 'sudo apt-get install baobab'
[23:46] <ammini> pfifo: This is my wife's laptop. I'd told her to apply the updates whenever the machine prompts her to update.  I'm trying to fix this issue which came up two days back.
[23:46] <pfifo> ammini: then reboot and see if it make a difference
[23:46] <ammini> pfifo: Ok. I'm trying that now.
[23:49] <nuts> :( why will x11 not run :(:(
[23:50] <pfifo> cause it has no legs :):)
[23:50] <CPPCoder> Hello all
[23:50] <daftykins> greetings
[23:51] <daftykins> pfifo: cunning
[23:51] <amagee> hah. oh dear, the "problem" was that I had my wacom tablet plugged in and didn't realise, and something was pushing on that and forcing the mouse cursor into the same spot. The reason I wasn't getting the problem working in windows is because I don't have the tablet set up in windows :P
[23:51] <CPPCoder> For some reason when I set CPATH for GCC it does not work, but when I use 'CPATH=/usr/include/python2.7 cg++ megapy.cpp -o mega -lpython2.7'
[23:53] <jak2000> TJ- in my script, how to send all error messages to a textfile?
[23:54] <kostkon> davidrsmorris, oh you again!   like this you mean? http://ubuntuone.com/34WXSroBFAGgz9IqdBrKdM    :P
[23:54] <pfifo> CPPCoder: it probabally is working just as expected. try gcc -I /path/to/whatever
[23:55] <ammini> pfifo: No joy!
[23:55] <dragonkeeper> hello,  how do i fix ,  /usr/bin/ld cannont find -lusb-1.0
[23:55] <ammini> I get the Places back, but it opens Disk Usage Analyzer.
[23:55] <CPPCoder> pfifo: Using -I works, but why doesn't using the CPATH env variable work?
[23:56] <pfifo> ammini: this is taking longer that simply performing a clean install
[23:56] <pfifo> CPPCoder: cpath gets searched >after< -I
[23:56] <houkouonchi-work> dragonkeeper: you have libusb-dev installed?
[23:56] <houkouonchi-work> well more like libusb-1.0-0-dev  specifically
[23:56] <dragonkeeper> houkouonchi-work: yes
[23:57] <CPPCoder> pfifo: I mean just setting the CPATH without -I?
[23:57] <ammini> pfifo: Ok. BTW, dpkg-reconfigure nautilus showing '/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: nautilus is broken or not fully installed' isn't normal, right?
[23:57] <houkouonchi-work> dragonkeeper: what is the full link line? Maybe its trying to statically link? not all of ubuntu's -dev packages will statically link correctly
[23:58] <pfifo> CPPCoder: cause what ever its looking for in CPATH is being found somewhere else, that or you might be using it incorrectly in the first place (but im assuming your not)
[23:58] <pfifo> ammini: no it isnt
[23:58] <dragonkeeper> houkouonchi-work: oh wait sorry , i just noticed your second reply :P  that fixed it thanks
[23:58] <CPPCoder>  pfifo: The error is "fatal error: 'pyconfig.h' file not found # include <pyconfig.h>"
[23:59] <kostkon> ammini, http://askubuntu.com/questions/103834/how-do-i-force-configuration-of-partially-installed-packages