[00:22] <Jeff_Mitchell_Xu> I'm running Xubuntu beta 2, and I joined launchpad. It says: "no open bugs". What am I meant to do?
[00:28] <brainwash> jeff_xubuntu: hey, where exactly does it say "no open bugs"?
[00:29] <jeff_xubuntu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-testers
[00:30] <jeff_xubuntu> Then click the "bugs" tab. Don't tell me I'm in the wrong place lol I'm such a noob even though I've used linux for six years.
[00:31] <brainwash> this team does not seem to be subscribed to any reports
[00:32] <brainwash> the xubuntu bugs team on the other hand is
[00:32] <brainwash> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-bugs/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
[00:33] <knome> jeff_xubuntu, what are you looking for?
[00:33] <brainwash> but this list of bugs isn't that helpful right now
[00:33] <brainwash> please take a look at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-bugs
[00:33] <jeff_xubuntu> thanks!
[00:33] <knome> or a list of bugs reported against the beta2 in the ISO tracker
[00:55] <knome> jeff_xubuntu, are you looking at ISO testing, or package testing, or something different?
[00:55] <jeff_xubuntu> ISO testing, I'm running Xubuntu beta 2 right now
[00:55] <knome> ok,
[00:55] <knome> so the ISO testing basically means you would need to *install* a system
[00:55] <knome> the reports are sent to this tracker: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[00:56] <knome> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/313/builds
[00:56] <knome> that's the URL for beta 2 builds
[00:56] <jeff_xubuntu> I think I should refer to the Ubuntu testing documentation. I looked through the Xubuntu website and didn't find anything, then I though, oh right, all the documentation is on the Ubuntu website, not Xubuntu website.
[00:56] <jeff_xubuntu> *thought
[00:56] <knome> let me see...
[00:57] <knome> right... the website can be a bit ambiguous
[00:57] <jeff_xubuntu> ah I see http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases
[00:57] <knome> yes.. that's the packages tracker
[00:58] <jeff_xubuntu> Ristretto has heaps of bugs I'll look at that. I think I'll cook some food first... back later
[00:58] <knome> ok, bon appetit
[01:07] <brainwash> knome: can you unhide https://launchpad.net/bugs/1292025 please?
[01:07] <brainwash> ristretto segfault
[01:09] <knome> done
[01:09] <brainwash> thanks
[02:11] <bluesabre0> anybody experiencing the parole dvd-playback issues, please try out this commit
[02:11] <bluesabre0> http://git.xfce.org/apps/parole/commit/?id=62f3b404a41bdce368fd3777328c966f87b860f4
[02:17] <bluesabre0> Unit193: still have two dvd drives?
[02:17] <Unit193> bluesabre0: Never did.
[02:17] <bluesabre0> oh, I thought you had filed some bug regarding that
[02:17] <bluesabre0> nvm then :)
[02:19] <Unit193> No, I did file the bug though.
[02:20] <Unit193> lp 1098323
[02:20] <bluesabre0> tricksy ukikies
[02:22] <bluesabre0> this commit may fix that too
[02:22] <bluesabre0> at least partially
[02:22] <Unit193> I no longer even have /dev/dvd2, just /dev/cdrom which is a symlink to /dev/sr0, which is a DVD drive.
[02:25] <bluesabre0> I'll do some testing later with an external drive, but I'm happy to have one thing seemingly resolved
[02:26] <Unit193> Soo, that commit looks a tad hacky, is it actully?
[02:30] <bluesabre0> sort of
[02:30] <bluesabre0> :)
[02:30] <bluesabre0> before, it was using "dvd:/"
[02:31] <bluesabre0> which auto-detects the device based on the URI
[02:31] <bluesabre0> now it uses "dvd:///dev/sr0" or whatever the unix device is
[02:32] <bluesabre0> tested several variations with parole and vlc to figure out what is accepted
[02:33] <bluesabre0> the previous thing only worked with /dev/dvd0 or something along those lines
[02:33] <bluesabre0> which caused other issues when that path went away
[02:34] <bluesabre0> (and still is an issue for totem, last I checked)
[09:19] <elfy> is whiskermenu supposed to stay alphabetical - adding apps - they just get put to the end of  the list they end up in 
[09:51] <bluesabre0> elfy: for it to not be alphabetical, enable the setting "Show menu hierarchy" in the whisker settigs
[09:54] <elfy> aah cool 
[10:22] <ochosi> bluesabre0: what did you think about making xfce4-powerman aware of the session setting?
[10:22] <ochosi> just to keep those two in sync
[10:22] <ochosi> either let them use the same xfconf-key
[10:22] <ochosi> (the one of session, i suppose)
[10:23] <ochosi> or just patch xfce4-powerman to check that setting and stay in sync
[10:23] <ochosi> then obviously light-locker-settings would also need a patch to stay in sync
[10:23] <ochosi> (the lid-lock behavior is obviously another level of complexity, but the user will have to handle that)
[10:30] <bluesabre0> ochosi: yeah, that sounds ideal
[10:31] <ochosi> it shouldn't be too hard to code that, just means adding a check for another xfconf key
[10:32] <ochosi> although i dunno what should happen if the key in -session doesn't exist yet (should it be created then? or do we have to check whether xfce4-session is in use/installed?)
[10:38] <CyborgCygnus> bluesabre0, elfy, sweet I was wondering why I had to drag & drop the apps in the order I wanted, rather than have like an alphabetical order.
[10:39] <bluesabre0> yeah, there's a bit of implementation we'll need to consider
[10:39] <bluesabre0> CyborgCygnus, glad I could help :)
[10:40] <CyborgCygnus> bluesabre0, except nothing really happens when I turn it on or off, nothing re orders it self. I'll just remember for when the stable release comes out as I suspect it will run better than this install I have going.
[10:41] <bluesabre0> yeah, there might be some old configs, or it might need to be refreshed or something
[10:41] <bluesabre0> I'll check into that
[10:44] <CyborgCygnus> bluesabre0, I've been updating almost daily from the alpha, I noticed the other day when I chucked a daily image on a usb & ran it live that it had a noticeable amount of differences in it, stuff ran better.
[10:44] <bluesabre0> ah
[10:45] <bluesabre0> if you're updating and want to check some new things without changing your current settings, you can probably log into the guest session to see what's what
[10:45] <CyborgCygnus> I stuffed my install up anyway, I had it on the first partition of a drive, deleted two other o/s's off using gparted & updated the grub, now it boots real sluggish & comes up with errors, I just ignore it cause I know I'll never be able to fix it. I just play with this as it is & am waiting for stable release.
[10:46] <CyborgCygnus> bluesabre0, ah okay, good idea. I have no idea how to refresh configs etc, someone told me before how to do it for the saved startup sessions but I can't remember things when I only use them once.
[10:52] <starrats> Help, was just on launchpad.net to report a bug, brainwash recommended me to do this but I cannot find on that site where to report a bug.
[10:54] <slickymasterWork> starrats: against what package do you want to fil the bug?
[10:56] <knome> lderan, tell me if you need help/feedback or anything regarding bots, and i can then join #ubuntu-bots if needed
[10:59] <starrats> the bug I want to report is that mu cursor/pointer freezes up at the logon/password screen at start-up.  I have reported this same bug numerous times and have trid things that brainwash has suggested all have failed.
[11:00] <starrats> trid - tried
[11:00] <knome> rather than file it numerous times, please expand the original bug report...
[11:01] <CyborgCygnus> starrats, Install a daily image over your current?
[11:02] <CyborgCygnus> starrats, I have problems with my Alpha 14.04 that I've updated to the daily, I worked out a fresh image fixes that.
[11:06] <starrats> daily image?  expand the bug report?  first one I don't understand and the second one I have expanded the original report 
[11:07] <elfy> reinstall with a new daily 
[11:07] <knome> starrats, first one refers to the latest daily image, or in this case, the beta2 image; new images are built every day except during milestones
[11:07] <knome> starrats, latter: good (that's not you said though)
[11:09] <elfy> morning knome 
[11:10] <slickymasterWork> morning knome 
[11:11] <knome> everything in order in QA and docs?
[11:11] <starrats> knome I have told everything to brainwash after I filed a ubuntu-bug report on term and that's when he told me to try a couple of things, that did not work and then he suggested for me to go to #ubuntu+1 channel and tell them my problems, got very little help there, told that to brainwash and he told me to report the bug on launchpad.  I tied to this morning and I could not find the where to report
[11:11] <starrats> this bug.
[11:12] <knome> starrats, right, then wait patiently
[11:12] <knome> starrats, there's not much else we have to give you except one of our bug triagers helping you
[11:12] <knome> "we have" meaning, there isn't much more things we can do to help you
[11:13] <knome> if others are unable to reproduce the issue, it's even harder to get anything fixed
[11:13] <starrats> I have been very patient with everyone, I thought I had this freezing thing defeated per se because i had days with out this problem and now the last three days it has reared it's ugly little head again.
[11:14] <knome> so what is the original bug number?
[11:15] <starrats> I have a toshiba laptop running a dual partition with windows 7 and xubuntu 14.04 
[11:15] <starrats> will try to find the orig. bug report.
[11:32] <starrats> I could not locate original bug report# but here's the Question# 245333 sent to me by Manfred Hampl concerning this problem which was on 3/12/2014
[11:35] <elfy> starrats: just go to your LP page - then click bugs - then you'll see bugs you've done something to
[11:35] <elfy> in the top right there are options to specify - pick reported 
[11:36] <starrats> okay
[11:45] <starrats> Could not locate my report because I believe it was an additional comment on the question I said above, but there was a sdimilar one on 12.04 version about the same issue I'm having now.
[11:46] <elfy> no idea then 
[11:46] <elfy> and have you tried using a different mouse? 
[11:46] <elfy> tbh - I would just reinstall with a new daily and be done with it
[11:47] <starrats> I did try to file a ubuntu-bug report from term but I did not have output of problem I just typed ubuntu-but and clicked on theXorg box and went from there.
[11:47] <starrats> I will do the same if necessary 
[11:48] <elfy> and as people have said if they can't replicate it - or it is in fact something to do with your hardware it will just sit there
[11:49] <starrats> well I don't know how to change my hardware 
[11:50] <starrats> so I just take it that this is irrepairable?
[11:50] <starrats> left in the dark on it
[11:51] <elfy> you don't know how to change a mouse? or is it a laptop?
[11:56] <starrats> a laptop 
[11:56] <elfy> so I would download a new image and reinstall then 
[11:57] <starrats> beginning of the month will buy a usb mouse, the one I have doesn't work, tried numerous times
[11:58] <starrats> a new image = a new dvd of Trusty Tahr?
[11:59] <elfy> yep
[12:01] <starrats> okay one question I have on this, are all the updates/upgrades/dist-upgrades be on this new download of the image or would i have to do all that i have done all over again?
[12:01] <elfy> no - you wouldn't be downloading all the updates again 
[12:02] <starrats> or should I say will the new image have that from all the work you folks have done to truty tahr
[12:02] <elfy> it will be as up to date as it can be
[12:02] <starrats> okay I will download and burn a new image of trusty tahr
[12:02] <starrats> and re-install
[12:03] <starrats> ah ok
[12:03] <elfy> back up data if you have any
[12:03] <starrats> alright got to do other things 
[12:03] <starrats> bbl
[12:03] <elfy> cya
[13:08] <starrats> good morning everyone
[13:11] <elfy> good afternoon starrats 
[13:13] <starrats> elfy did you see what I did about my cursor on offtopic channel?
[13:13] <elfy> I did 
[13:13] <starrats> and good morning to you again
[13:14] <elfy> :)
[13:14] <starrats> okay got my fingers crossed that this will work all the time but 2 times with a windows update between I feel confident
[13:15] <elfy> it couldn't have been reinstalling xubuntu-desktop unless something else got reinstalled at the same time though 
[13:18] <starrats> well the output from term if I can remember right was words to the effect that xubuntu desktop 2.179 installed
[13:18] <elfy> mmm 
[13:18] <starrats> I could run the command again, don't know if it would do anything  or ?
[13:19] <elfy> just wait and see :)
[13:20] <starrats> will do
[13:20] <starrats> :)
[13:23] <starrats> elfy I was going to download.burn a new image as we chatted about earlier but after all the windows & updates were done and I had a chance to restart before putting my pw for windows, itook a chance and restarted and went to the xubuntu line and on the frozen cursor was free the second time so right now I'm back here and feelinng a little better
[13:31] <elfy> oh hang on 
[13:31] <elfy> do you get this issue at the grub screen? 
[13:32] <elfy> http://www.dedoimedo.com/images/computers_new_2/grub2-dual-boot-in-grub2.png
[16:13] <knome> elfy, any tests you'd like me to run?
[16:14] <elfy> if you could do some 64bit that would be awesome - and possibly a cli upgrade or two? 
[16:14] <knome> meh, :)
[16:14] <elfy> :)
[16:14] <knome> i mean, i can do upgrades, but they are clean upgrades then
[16:14] <elfy> yea I know 
[16:14] <knome> i can at least take some of the 64-bit
[16:14] <elfy> I'm in the same position
[16:15] <knome> who wouldn't...
[16:15] <knome> i can take at least any two of the 64bit ones
[16:15] <elfy> I'll be able to do some hardware 64bit later - what I won't be doing there is the entire disk 
[16:15] <knome> plus the post-install one
[16:15] <knome> okay, i'll do that at least then
[16:16] <knome> i can also do auto-resize
[16:16] <elfy> how about entire and that one :p
[16:16] <knome> if you prefer manual partitioning
[16:16] <knome> yep, that works for me
[16:16] <knome> and the post-install
[16:16] <elfy> well - I odn't want to fubar what's on the machine 
[16:16] <knome> yeah i understand
[16:17] <elfy> we got 17 done with yesterdays image
[16:17] <knome> cool
[16:17] <knome> let's see how much i need to zsync
[16:17] <elfy> I did do a couple of vm upgrades but what we really need is real ones - not so easy to get people to do :)
[16:18] <knome> 32%
[16:18] <elfy> you've got 32% or you need 32% :)
[16:18] <knome> need
[16:19] <knome> but any is ok
[16:19] <elfy> yep 
[16:19] <knome> downloading at 1050 kB/s
[16:21] <knome> hmm
[16:21] <knome> bug 1231520
[16:21] <knome> might be related to your keyboard bug
[16:26] <elfy> could be 
[16:29] <elfy> not sure about labelling my issue as ubiquity - it will never get looked at then :)
[16:29] <knome> heh :)
[16:29] <knome> depends, if you know who to ask...
[16:30] <elfy> well I don't know anyone, I'm deeply cynical about bugs if they don't affect ubuntu
[16:31] <knome> mhm
[16:31] <knome> dinner, bbiab
[16:31] <elfy> mmm 
[16:36] <elfy> hi slickymaster 
[16:37] <elfy> slickymasterWork: even
[16:44] <slickymasterWork> hey elfy 
[17:15] <elfy> slickymasterWork: I'd not actually fail those for those bugs - in fact I didn't :p
[17:16] <slickymasterWork> elfy: are you referring to the debian wallpaper and the xfce4 one?
[17:16] <elfy> yea
[17:17] <slickymasterWork> I can change the result to 'Passed', still keeping the bugs if you think it's preferable 
[17:17] <elfy> that's what I did 
[17:17] <elfy> but if you want to fail them be my guest :)
[17:17] <slickymasterWork> and that's what I'm about to do ;)
[17:17] <elfy> lol
[17:18] <slickymasterWork> no, I do see the logic in your reasoning
[17:20] <slickymasterWork> done
[17:22] <ochosi> brainwash: ping
[17:24] <ochosi> brainwash: could you please give this a test-run? fixes the xfdesktop-style-issue for me: https://github.com/EricKoegel/xfdesktop/commit/31a6f3520565bd59701c78e5e030e113eea7f406
[17:47] <knome> elfy, ran and reported those two testcases and noticed i can't do much about the post-installation one
[17:49] <elfy> yep - thanks :)
[17:49] <elfy> they're respinning I think - so we'll get another blank sheet
[17:50] <elfy> I'd done the post install one 
[18:44] <brainwash> ochosi: I'll test it, the patch seems to revert the previous commit
[18:45] <brainwash> there is a small difference, but I'm pretty sure that it will work :)
[18:56] <brainwash> bug 1297170
[18:56] <brainwash> low priority? :D
[18:57] <brainwash> who is this guy? he seems to change the priority of many xfce/xubuntu related reports
[18:59] <knome> apparently somebody who works for the one hundred papercuts project
[19:00] <knome> at least he is argumenting the reason why he set a specific priority
[19:10] <brainwash> true
[19:16] <brainwash> so I've built abiword with the backported patches for the stable branch + my simply patch to fix the icon in the about dialog
[19:16] <brainwash> https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test
[19:16] <brainwash> tested and it works
[19:17] <brainwash> woops, "my simple patch"
[19:18] <brainwash> Noskcaj: any news regarding an possible abiword bug fix release
[19:22] <elfy> brainwash: talking of bugs - can you not mark testcase ones as dupes :)
[19:23] <brainwash> elfy: that one was marked as invalid first
[19:23] <elfy> I know - I marked it :) 
[19:24] <elfy> just putting my marker down :)
[19:24] <brainwash> it's technically a dupe then.. or not?
[19:25] <elfy> not really - if something is wrong with a testcase - 9 times out of 10 there is
[19:26] <brainwash> but marked as invalid
[19:27] <elfy> sigh 
[19:27] <elfy> that's beside the point - please don't mark our testcase bugs
[19:28] <brainwash> ok
[19:28] <elfy> thanks :)
[19:29] <elfy> that papercut guy does that a lot then gets involved in arguing stuff
[19:29] <elfy> did the same when asked not to spam qa mailing lists with bunches of emoti's or something 
[19:31] <elfy> new 64bit image is 14% different from this morning it seems
[19:31] <Unit193> brainwash: Simple, he uses unity/ubuntu, Xfce/Xubuntu is low priority when it comes to that. :P
[19:32] <Unit193> elfy: I presume anytime now is good for upgrades, alrighty.
[19:32] <elfy> just been respun
[19:32] <Unit193> Upgrades don't get respun. ;)
[19:33] <elfy> cli ones don't 
[19:33] <elfy> I'm too tired for semantic arguments
[19:33] <brainwash> Unit193: maybe, sometimes it seems like he doesn't know what's going on in the Xubuntu/Xfce universe
[19:35] <brainwash> and the papercuts project guys don't seem to help us that much, or even at all
[19:35] <elfy> it's about marking things if you ask me 
[19:38] <Noskcaj> brainwash, I've heard nothing more
[19:43] <brainwash> Noskcaj: should we just pick the 2 patches and release an upgrade?
[19:51] <jhenke> hi
[19:58] <Noskcaj> hey jhenke 
[20:19] <pleia2> kitty!
[20:20] <Unit193> Hmm?
[20:20] <Unit193> pleia2: Oh, oh, oh!  You'd approve of my shirt!
[20:20] <pleia2> doing iso testing, slideshow
[20:21] <Unit193> http://www.amazon.com/T-Shirt-Firefly-Curse-Sudden-Betrayal/dp/B00EYXAQJE <-- like that!
[20:21] <Unit193> Ahh.
[20:32] <brainwash> Noskcaj: abiword -> https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test
[20:33] <Noskcaj> brainwash, Are you able to package to yourself or do you want me to?
[20:33] <Noskcaj> *it
[20:34] <brainwash> I've just built it to test it (let it test)
[20:34] <Noskcaj> ok
[20:35] <brainwash> I doubt that I know how to properly do it (patch names, changelog entries,..)
[20:35] <Noskcaj> also, it could be worthwhile just packaging upstream git
[20:35] <brainwash> yes, indeed
[20:36] <brainwash> it's actually svn with a read-only git mirror
[20:36] <Noskcaj> ok
[20:37] <brainwash> the debian package installs the abiword.png into the /usr/share/pixmaps folder
[20:37] <brainwash> fedora and arch don't do that
[20:38] <brainwash> the install it into the according icon folder
[20:39] <brainwash> -> usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/abiword.png
[20:46] <brainwash> so the icon is not displayed in abiword's about dialog on debian/ubuntu system
[20:58] <Noskcaj> brainwash, Probably worth fixing, maybe email the debian maintainer about it
[20:59] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Know if the python-parsedatetime problem is fixed, or is going to be fixed?
[21:01] <Noskcaj> Unit193, I've not heard anything more
[21:01] <Noskcaj> You could always package the new version for it and pyicu
[21:02] <Noskcaj> I would, but i've got a heap of gnome stuff and homework (to ignore)
[21:02] <Unit193> apt-mark hold python-parsedatetime  is easier.  Sure, was just asking if you knew more.
[21:11] <Noskcaj> Is anyone able to test the new alacarte release for me?
[21:11] <Unit193> We have menulibre now.
[21:12] <Noskcaj> i know
[21:53] <jhenke> good night guys