[02:07] <lovely_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7160368/
[02:07] <lovely_> xrandr issues
[06:04] <one> What is the problem here that the debug output is not printing to console?
[06:04] <one> printk is set there must be something else supressing it
[06:05] <one> What may be supressing the kern output to console?
[06:07] <one> The kern output is not printing.
[06:41] <one> How is it possible to eliminate hateball ?
[06:42] <one> hateball shall be eliminated
[06:44] <Unit193> It's not polite to pounce on people, and call for them to be eliminated, one.
[06:46] <hateball> Heh
[06:46] <hateball> It is a most strange bot, this "one"
[07:18] <one> strange fire
[07:37] <jb2_> I have seen the lubuntu article on mb5sum but it says the word, tem7nal. WHAT IS A TERMINAL?
[07:39] <vn151502510> !terminal
[07:40] <jb2_> I dont understand.
[07:41] <vn151502510> just an interface, an application allows you to enter commands
[07:41] <vn151502510> it's like CMD in windows OS
[07:42] <vn151502510> i guess
[13:23] <tuxfannotebook> hello guys
[13:23] <tuxfannotebook> i've downloaded lubu 13.10 but i am not able to install it in my notebook acer3634wlmi
[13:25] <tuxfannotebook> screen appear and disappears
[13:51] <holstein> tuxfannotebook: i would go on to 14.04, right now.. but, it sounds like you have graphics support issues
[13:51] <holstein> !nomodeset
[13:51] <holstein> there are nothing "tricks", but i would start by getting the upcoming lubuntu 14.04 live CD, and try it.. and go from there
[13:52] <tuxfannotebook> i've done it but doesn't work
[13:52] <holstein> tuxfannotebook: sure.. just let me konw if you have a question
[13:53] <holstein> tuxfannotebook: "it doesnt work" is more of a statement
[13:55] <tuxfannotebook> ok now i try to explain better it
[13:58] <tuxfannotebook> the problem is that when I try to click on the icon try, the screen disapperars and appears again, without any effect
[13:58] <tuxfannotebook> mouse appears and disapperas
[13:59] <holstein> tuxfannotebook: that could be a bad image, or installation media.. thats where i would start
[13:59] <holstein> !md5
[13:59] <tuxfannotebook> ok i try it
[14:00] <holstein> then, i would just try the stick on other hardware to confirm its working, if i had other hardware handy
[14:07] <zen_monkey> how do i disable automatic login onm 13.10?
[14:07] <zen_monkey> on*
[14:10] <holstein> zen_monkey: http://askubuntu.com/questions/182274/how-to-disable-autologin-in-lubuntu should help..
[14:14] <tuxfannotebook> holstein: it's right  the md5sum
[14:14] <tuxfannotebook> i think it's problem of  my graphic  video card, it's a sis
[14:15] <holstein> tuxfannotebook: oh yea.. i gave up on *all* sis support here
[14:15] <holstein> tuxfannotebook: if you can change it, do that.. if not, try a custom xorg.conf
[14:15] <holstein> you can install with..
[14:15] <holstein> !mini
[14:15] <holstein> or, use nomodeset might work
[14:15] <tuxfannotebook> i've already used no mode set, but doesn't work
[14:16] <holstein> sure. and it may not.. what did i do? i stopped wasting time on the sis hardware.. what can you do? try installing text, and adding support for sis with a custom xorg.conf
[14:17] <tuxfannotebook> ok
[14:17] <zen_monkey> holstein, actually not, the autologin in lxdm is commented and there is no autologin in lightdm.conf.... may that mean it isn't enabled?
[14:18] <zen_monkey> i am troubleshooting a video problem after plymouth, got to see the wallpaper and cursor but it crashes and loops like that
[14:19] <zen_monkey> also, don't know why, seems to be trying to load "fglrx" even when it's not installed
[14:25] <zen_monkey> should i create xorg.conf to prevent it from doing that?
[16:15] <tuxfannotebook> holstein:  where can i find a custom xorg.conf  ?
[17:48] <Meerkat> I found an issue with 14.04. The software center doesn't list added apps in the apps basket like it is suppose to according to http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55992/testcases/1619/results
[17:49] <Meerkat> can anyone else reproduce the issue? and can I use my launchpad account to add a test result?
[19:36] <tuxnotebookfan> hello
[19:37] <tuxnotebookfan> sorry guys, i'm not able to install lubu13.10, i've problems with my sis video card
[19:38] <tuxnotebookfan> how can i insert xorg.conf in lubu cd?
[19:38] <holstein> tuxnotebookfan: you dont
[19:39] <holstein> tuxnotebookfan: you use the ISO i suggested
[19:39] <holstein> !mini
[19:39] <holstein> that installs *without* x
[19:39] <holstein> then, you add, into that installation whatever xorg.conf you want/need..which may or may not work
[19:39] <holstein> i had a few sis chips, and i never made one of them do *anything*..
[19:40] <tuxnotebookfan> i've burn iso mini cd
[19:40] <tuxnotebookfan> but i've problems with ssid name, i've wlan
[19:40] <holstein> tuxnotebookfan: ?
[19:40] <holstein> tuxnotebookfan: dont join any network then
[19:40] <holstein> tuxnotebookfan: wire it up.. wired
[19:41] <holstein> tuxnotebookfan: dont take on multiple issues.. just wire it up, get a desktop. *then* get on wifi
[19:41] <tuxnotebookfan> ok now i redone that
[19:42] <tuxnotebookfan> thanks holstein
[19:42] <tuxnotebookfan> last question, where can i find xorg.conf for sis card?
[19:44] <tuxnotebookfan> or xorg.conf it's a one file?
[19:44] <holstein> tuxnotebookfan: i just use a gerneric one for the vesa driver
[19:45] <tuxnotebookfan> ok
[19:45] <holstein> tuxnotebookfan: you should use http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209
[19:45] <holstein> dont worry with the resolution .. just run is "as is" and get a desktop.. then go from there
[19:45] <holstein> or, get rid of that hardware ASAP, while its still worth $$
[19:46] <zen_monkey> how do i enable or force 16 bit color depth?
[19:47] <tuxnotebookfan> the first i see? that i must download?
[19:47] <holstein> zen_monkey: i dont.. it typically doesnt help anything as much as i thought it would
[19:47] <holstein> zen_monkey: you can also use a custom xorg.conf..
[19:47] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209 is one forcing the vesa driver. but, you can try using it with whatevrer driver you choose
[19:48] <zen_monkey> well, i added a DefaultDepth 16 to it and it says not to be valid
[19:48] <holstein> tuxnotebookfan: you dont really "download" anything from that link i gave.. you copy the contents of that file to the file you are going to make
[19:48] <tuxnotebookfan> ok
[19:48] <holstein> zen_monkey: sure.. why?
[19:48] <holstein> zen_monkey: you might be trying to "fix" soemthing that isnt broken
[19:48] <holstein> zen_monkey: i havent messed with anything like that since i stopped using windows XP.. .what is the goal?
[19:49] <zen_monkey> holstein, well the case of the fight is a really old ati card that wont make it to the login screen, and keep crashing
[19:50] <holstein> zen_monkey: its likely more driver related..
[19:50] <holstein> zen_monkey: i would try the vesa driver with the link i suggested, and go from there
[19:50] <holstein> zen_monkey: drop it in, as is, and see if it addresses the issue
[19:51] <zen_monkey> vesa gets to work but maxes to 800x600, a folk on #radeon told me that to get to 1024x768 would require the use of 16 because of vram limitations (just 2Mb)
[19:53] <zen_monkey> holstein, and i don't get why lubuntu tried to load fglrx (it's not installed!) upon boot before stating the use of vesa on xorg.conf
[19:53] <holstein> zen_monkey: you'l have to ask them, then
[19:54] <holstein> zen_monkey: they are utimately responsible for supporting the product. though, they typically dont
[19:54] <holstein> zen_monkey: i try *all* driver options i can find..
[19:54] <holstein> zen_monkey: there is a PPA for steam that you might find helpful.. well, a PPA that steam suggests using
[19:54] <zen_monkey> holstein, steam? why?
[19:54] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[19:55] <holstein> zen_monkey: becuase, it is in steam's interested to make graphics cards work in linux
[19:55] <zen_monkey> i mean, this thing it's from the past... really
[19:55] <holstein> zen_monkey: sure.. so, its likely not a "Fix" for you.. but, since nothing is technically broken, you are just going to have to be flexible and try *everything*
[19:56] <holstein> i'll use a knoppix live CD or puppy, and save the xorg.conf that gets created there
[19:56] <holstein> i try all open and proprietary drivers..
[19:57] <zen_monkey> holstein, i'm in the way of doing such tests, but need to ask because this drivers fight/game it's new to me ;)
[19:57] <zen_monkey> knop? great idea!
[19:58] <holstein> zen_monkey: if you have a device, typically, these days it will "just work" in linux.. but, if it doesnt, its ussually quite a battle
[19:58] <holstein> zen_monkey: keep in mind, a team of professionals prepared your hardware and software for it for another operating system.. you are taking on that burden of support here for linux
[19:59] <holstein> for me, replacing hardware with linux friendly hardware is always an option
[19:59] <zen_monkey> indeed, weird is that for the 10.04 live cd it does, won't get to 1024 but at least it does get to the desktop
[20:00] <holstein> sure.. and thats probably more in line with your hardware
[20:00] <zen_monkey> holstein, thought this one could be worked on as it's a server tower, found not
[20:00] <holstein> the open driver in 10.04 might have been more appropriate back then for your hardware
[20:00] <zen_monkey> maybe
[20:00] <holstein> zen_monkey: you can test and confirm that
[20:01] <holstein> but, its not in the interest of the linux kernel to carry around support for all legacy gear.. and, things can need to be removed to facilitate adding newer things that may bre incompatible together..
[20:01] <holstein> i would consider keeping it a server machine, and just dont run X on it
[20:02] <holstein> you can always forward X out from it with something like nomachine.. which actually runs quite well on servers..
[20:02] <holstein> https://www.nomachine.com/
[20:02] <holstein> i think the freenx in the repos tries to address this as well
[20:03] <zen_monkey> yes, i totally understand that cleanup... i gave lubu a go because it's someone elses pc... and they aren't able to buy a new one atm
[20:04] <holstein> zen_monkey: its not a "lubuntu" or "lxde" issue
[20:04] <zen_monkey> i understand that
[20:04] <holstein> you can always install 10.04 and support it yourself for them
[20:04] <holstein> or, try an older supported debian distro..
[20:05] <zen_monkey> the only issue i see regarding lubuntu is that it's unable to fallback to a working (low res) vesa and prefers to keep crashing X
[20:05] <holstein> zen_monkey: well, for that hardware
[20:05] <zen_monkey> yes yes
[20:05] <holstein> zen_monkey: plus, is that a target goal of lubuntu? i mean.. its doing what its designed to do
[20:05] <holstein> the kernel can only support what its given code to support..
[20:06] <holstein> i can usually hack at an xorg.conf and make something work. but, id have to be in front of it
[20:06] <zen_monkey> what do you mean with target goal? isn't it's moto to be able to use old hardware?
[20:06] <holstein> zen_monkey: sure.. but, not old unsupported hardware
[20:07] <zen_monkey> don't get me wrong, am not complaining, just stating what i assumed to be the case
[20:07] <holstein> zen_monkey: its not up to the OS to support the hardware.. in ultimately needs to be the other way around, if its going to be flawless for you.. then end user
[20:07] <holstein> zen_monkey: and, that *is* the case, in many cases.. but, you apparently have a special case
[20:08] <zen_monkey> indeed, this dinosaur should be sent to rest
[20:08] <holstein> zen_monkey: you have a machine that was guranteed to be a server machine not running linux.. and you are trying to make a desktop machine running linux from it. and, that can be possible.. but, furstrating..
[20:08] <holstein> zen_monkey: i think the knoppix thing is a good place to go. i like to just see a desktop on the hardware.. then, i can poke at it and see what is supporting it
[20:09] <holstein> from there, i can usually learn how to make ubuntu or whatever distro use it
[20:20] <zen_monkey> holstein, would you be able to tell what's going awry giving a look at Xorg.log?
[20:24] <ianorlin> !pastebinit
[20:25] <tuxnotebookfan> hi
[20:25] <zen_monkey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7158865/
[20:26] <tuxnotebookfan> now i m in configure network, i ve chosen wlan, but it doesn t find any wireless
[20:26] <ianorlin> why is trying to load mir?
[20:26] <zen_monkey> idk
[20:28] <tuxnotebookfan> any avaible wifinetwork founded
[20:29] <tuxnotebookfan> mini install works only in etho?
[20:30] <phillw> tuxnotebookfan: yes, only ehternet is supported with mim (network) installer
[20:30] <phillw> s/mim/mini
[20:30] <ianorlin> you might need to install drivers after mini install
[20:32] <tuxnotebookfan> thanks
[20:37] <ianorlin> zen_monkey: seems to be having a segmentation fault right after configuring keyboard
[20:38] <ianorlin> although it was using kernel modesetting so you might try
[20:38] <ianorlin> !nomodeset
[20:39] <zen_monkey> ianorlin, it does? shouldn't it prevent it from booting?
[20:41] <zen_monkey> holstein, the knoppix disc was scratched but RIP linux did the trick! now i have a working xorg.conf! thanks for the idea
[20:42] <ianorlin> ah no it unloads it
[20:47] <holstein> zen_monkey: cool.. glad it worked out!
[20:48] <holstein> tuxnotebookfan: just use in in eth.. dont do wifi yet.. just get your OS booted, and running with the xorg.conf.. *then* unplug and deal with wifi
[20:48] <zen_monkey> now, install flash! lmao
[21:54] <tuxnotebookfan> holstein i m installing lubu desktop with mini install, when should i put xorg.conf?
[22:33] <tuxnotebookfan> sorry holstein maybe i do something wrong, i've installed lubuntu 13.10
[22:34] <tuxnotebookfan> but when should i create xorg.conf?
[22:58] <tuxnotebookfan> are u in holstein?
[22:59] <ianorlin> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:00] <tuxnotebookfan> yes but when?
[23:00] <tuxnotebookfan> i've done minimal install
[23:00] <tuxnotebookfan> it's installed lubuntu desktop
[23:01] <tuxnotebookfan> but when i choose lubu in grub, always the same issue
[23:01] <tuxnotebookfan> screen appears and disappears
[23:01] <ianorlin> can you get to a tty?
[23:02] <tuxnotebookfan> boh, i don't know
[23:02] <tuxnotebookfan> i choose in grub lubuntu
[23:02] <ianorlin> yes then press contorl alt f1 afterwards?
[23:03] <tuxnotebookfan> then?
[23:03] <ianorlin> log in
[23:05] <tuxnotebookfan> mmm there's a guide?
[23:06] <tuxnotebookfan> it's difficult for me
[23:08] <ianorlin> did you save the xorg.conf somewhere?
[23:09] <tuxnotebookfan> i've not create any xorg.conf
[23:09] <tuxnotebookfan> i'm a beginner
[23:30] <tuxnotebookfan> i must do this: Drop to the terminal by doing ctrl+alt+F1
[23:30] <tuxnotebookfan> Login.
[23:30] <tuxnotebookfan> Type
[23:30] <tuxnotebookfan> sudo service gdm stop
[23:30] <tuxnotebookfan> Then type:
[23:30] <tuxnotebookfan> sudo Xorg -configure
[23:30] <tuxnotebookfan> then to restart X
[23:30] <tuxnotebookfan> sudo service gdm start
[23:30] <tuxnotebookfan> This will generate an xorg.conf. ?
[23:42] <ianorlin> ah went afk but it is sudo service lightdm start not gdm