[00:02] <interweb> Hi
[00:02] <interweb> When does ubuntu 14.04 comes out ?
[00:03] <Daekdroom> !schedule
[00:03] <Daekdroom> April 17th
[00:12] <rww> odd, I changed the /topic to something informative a whileback and it appears to have unstuck
[00:27] <NicholasC> I've had a bit of a stupid: Rented a new server which came with 12.04 server, upgraded it and got 14.04. Would really like to go back to 13.10 since I need a package from there. Is there a way to do this (or to nab the package?)
[00:28] <Daekdroom> Downgrading is not recommended.
[00:28] <Daekdroom> (specially not for servers
[00:29] <NicholasC> The server's a fresh install: Nothing's on it yet.
[00:29] <Daekdroom> Just install 13.10 then.
[00:30] <Daekdroom> But 13.10 has a short time of support, if you need a package that is no longer available in 14.04, you'll face the same issue a few months ahead.
[00:30] <Daekdroom> !13.10
[00:30] <TJ-> NicholasC: Is the package ont in 14.04 ?
[00:30] <TJ-> s/ont/not/
[00:30] <NicholasC> TJ-, I don't know. The package is rsnapshot.
[00:31] <TJ-> "apt-cache search rsnapshot"
[00:31] <rww> !info rsnapshot trusty
[00:32] <rww> (so yes)
[00:32] <NicholasC> I'm going to sound like an idiot, but, what does that mean? I can't grab it with apt-get.
[00:33] <Daekdroom> Do you have the universe repos activated?
[00:33] <rww> have you done sudo apt-get update recently?
[00:33] <rww> and Daekdroom beat me to my next question
[00:33] <NicholasC> rww, just now, before I did the get.
[00:33] <rww> you probably need to make sure universe is enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:33] <NicholasC> Daekdroom, I have not. Do you guys have any quick info on that or should I google?
[00:35] <Daekdroom> I don't know how to fiddle with repositories from the command line.
[00:36] <NicholasC> There's a lot of stuff on google about that. Let's see.. Thanks for the help so far, guys.,
[00:37] <NicholasC> Ah, just adding "universe" at the end worked wonders and I've got my package. Thanks, guys.
[00:58] <thiebaude> Anyone having sound that is cracking using HDMI connected to a HDTV?
[01:55] <tootights> hi
[01:59] <tootights> I have booted to my 14.04 dvd. The purple screen displays with the familiar ubuntu loading indicator. Then it black screens. i can ctrl+alt+f1 break out, then alt+f7 still doesnt' load X. Any ideas?
[02:04] <tootights> hello
[02:06] <Beldar> tootights, Have you tried a nomodeset boot?
[02:06] <tootights> Hi does anyone know if this issue is resolved?  1065902
[02:07] <Beldar> link?
[02:07] <tootights> No I have not, I am not familiar what that option
[02:07] <Beldar> !nomodeset
[02:08] <tootights> Oops, sorry I'm hoping its the issue, I found it here: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/1065902
[02:08] <tootights> ok, it just looked similar, i gues snot
[08:07] <DJJeff> having some serious issues with plymouth (bootup)
[08:11] <DJJeff> oh bug is almost over 1 year old
[09:33] <Gamoder> Hi everyone, I got the following problem (Ubuntu 14.04, 64 bit, XFCE): My nm-applet does run, but does not show up in the notification bar
[10:07] <SwedeMike> I just tried a upgrade-managed -d from 13.10 to 14.04. The uprade stopped in the middle, and I then discovered that the "Terminal" dropdown in the "distribution upgrade" gui contained a dialogue box I needed to press enter in, in order for the upgrade to continue. It was to confirm process restart of "atd" and a few others.
[10:21] <fibz_> file a bug against it
[10:26] <elhoir> hi there
[10:27] <elhoir> i have just tried to install Ubuntu 14.04 via USB stick
[10:27] <elhoir> and it doesnt detect my NTFS partition
[10:27] <elhoir> it acts as if the whole 1TB HDD was empty
[10:27] <elhoir> (but it isnt, it containsta a Win7 partition)
[10:27] <elhoir> does anyone have any idea?
[10:28] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:35] <elhoir> any idea?
[10:36] <elhoir> should i report that as a bug?
[10:36] <elhoir> or is it known?
[10:53] <thnov> can one change a bug on launchpad to be mapped against trusty? bug #1298287
[11:19] <kees__> what is the correct place to report bugs in 14.04?
[11:24] <BluesKaj> kees__,  here's how https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting
[11:26] <kees__> thanks
[11:37] <Rovanion> I'm having this issue where mouse clicks aren't registered if I'm having my finger on the touchpad at the same time.
[11:37] <Rovanion> In order for the click to register I must lift my finger from the touchpad
[11:37] <Rovanion> This causes a lot of mouse clicks to go unregistered as I'm moving my mouse to the tab I want to click.
[11:38] <Rovanion> The click happens with the hardware buttons under the synaptics touchpad.
[11:42] <Rovanion> I've been struggling to find why my clicks weren't being registered and have finally found out that it's because I'm moving the mouse at the same time as I'm clicking.
[11:43] <alket> Hi, is final beta released ?
[11:44] <BluesKaj> alket, beta 2 yes
[11:44] <alket> BluesKaj, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule this one with 27th March ?
[11:47] <BluesKaj> alket, if you already run 14.04 , just update, upgrade and dist-upgrade and you''ll have beta 2
[11:47] <alket> no i dont
[11:47] <alket> but will download now, thanks
[11:48] <BluesKaj> alket, download the daily
[11:50] <alket> thanks
[13:19] <mbrgm> hi! simple question: if I have trusty daily build running on my machine, will dist-upgrade after the final release take me to the state of the final release?
[13:19] <Pici> yes
[13:19] <mbrgm> ty
[14:16] <BluesKaj> hmm, system settings>multimedia>audio&video settings doesn't open in kubuntu. just hangs there... no pulseaudio installed
[14:24] <BluesKaj> seems pulseaudio has no effect anyway because the desktop pc does th
[14:24] <BluesKaj> the same , and it does have pulse installed
[14:40] <edude03> Good morning everyone, so I mentioned this before but it hasn't been fixed yet so I figured I
[14:40] <edude03> d bring it up again, I'm unable to get the 14.04 daily installer to boot on my T440, but it will boot if installed on external then booted from that
[14:40] <edude03> What steps can I take to debug this issue?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> edude03, describe what happens when you try to boot
[14:42] <edude03> I'll have to go on so far is this https://www.dropbox.com/s/gu6a0xb9el8q2ke/2014-03-12%2016.45.40.jpg there is a kernel panic (seemingly caused by the drm_kms_helper) on boot
[14:44] <BluesKaj> ok edude03 try ctl+alt+F1-F6 to drop to a virtual teminal/tty then update, upgrade and dist-upgrade
[14:46] <edude03> BluesKaj from within the installer? It kernel panics during the ubuntu load screen (before getting to the Try Ubuntu / Install screen)
[14:48] <BluesKaj> edude03, make sure you BIOS has the boot sequence set to the media device that contains the live image
[14:49] <BluesKaj> your BIOS or UEFI
[14:50] <edude03> Well in this case i'm pressing F12 to boot from USB
[14:51] <edude03> It's a UEFI machine but it's set to legacy so it's not that
[14:51] <BluesKaj> still the boot sequence might be the problem
[14:52] <BluesKaj> since you already have an existing install on another drive
[14:52] <edude03> On an external drive that's not plugged in
[14:55] <Wnt> is it possible to disable KMS wit some boot parameters?
[14:55] <BluesKaj> edude03, did you reformat the target drive and remove the GPT partition put there by Windows
[14:56] <edude03> Yeah the target drive is EXT4 formatted can't remember if its GPT but I think I went back to MBR
[14:56] <edude03> Either way - that shouldn't cause a kernel panic
[14:57] <Wnt> edude03: can you try disabling KMS by appending a nomodeset boot parameter in GRUB? https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting#Disabling_KMS
[14:58] <edude03> OK let me give that a try Wnt
[14:58] <Wnt> in GRUB you should be able to edit the boot parameters by selecting the boot option you want to use and hit E
[14:59] <BluesKaj> edude03, doubt that grub is installed if he couldn't get past the kernel panic, unless it installed during external OS installation
[15:00] <Wnt> BluesKaj: I think the problem here is that he cannot start the live environment
[15:00] <Wnt> and you can temporarily modify the boot parameters in GRUB
[15:01] <BluesKaj> if it's there
[15:02] <edude03> Yeah so the back story is this: The T440s has a 16GB SSD cache and a 500GB regular HD, I installed Ubuntu on a 500GB USB drive before and I formatted the 16GB cache part so I could setup bcache
[15:02] <edude03> The 500GB external died / is dying (it randomly locks up with EXT4 IO errors) so I figured I'd just reinstall ubuntu internally
[15:03] <edude03> So using the same USB I used to install to the external 500GB drive (but on a different computer) I tried installing on the T440s, but like I'm saying the live environment / installer doesn't boot
[15:04] <Wnt> edude03: maybe you could do the installation to the internal drive with an another machine also :)
[15:04] <edude03> I figured maybe what happened was the installer has an older kernel than the the installation on the external drive (since I did the updates on the external) but I've been trying the daily builds for the past few days and they all have this problem
[15:05] <edude03> So I want to do that Wnt but the problem is I want / on the SSD and / home on the HD (which I'll format later)
[15:06] <edude03> And while I can remove the SSD, I don't have anything I can put it in since it's an M.2 mSATA ssd
[15:06] <Wnt> edude03: oh ok, I guess moving the ssd to another machine is not a possibility?
[15:06] <Wnt> yes, I see
[15:06] <edude03> oh nomodeset didn't work - it just displays the same error in huge font
[15:08] <BluesKaj> edude03, is there a recovery kernel available in grub ?
[15:08] <edude03> https://www.dropbox.com/s/gqu7l3xm1g2l4zg/2014-03-27%2011.07.26.jpg Also this is my work laptop - which is why I'm reluctant to just pop out the 500GB and do the install on another machine since I won't be able to switch back to a working environment in case of anything
[15:08] <Wnt> I guess you could do the installation to the internal drive with an external machine, put / and /home on different partitions, then move / to the SSD using some working live CD/USB, modify the fstab if neccessary...
[15:09] <edude03> Yeah what I might do is buy a 128GB SSD, do the install on another machine, and swap it for the 500GB
[15:09] <edude03> BUT
[15:10] <edude03> The reason I mention it here is because the T440 is fairly typical business machine and I figure if I have this problem more people must have it as well
[15:10] <edude03> So it should be fixed in the distro if possible
[15:10] <Wnt> yes, of course
[15:13] <edude03> I mean it's all intel and a thinkpad which means it should have 1st class linux support (I'm not complaining though) so I'm just trying to figure out if it's just a matter of the hardware being too new or the OS being too new or user error
[15:14] <edude03> I'm pretty much ruling out user error since the USB works on other machines and I verified it after writing the image, the bios settings are stock and the machine is mostly unmodified (save for the SSD formatting) so in theory everything should work out of the box
[15:14] <BluesKaj> edude03, this laptop is also a lenovo , and the cdrom drive successfully installed Kubuntu, after trying with an image on a USB stick failed
[15:15] <edude03> T440 is an ultrabook so CD drive is no bueno
[15:17] <edude03> On another note - is there a way to run the installer from an installed environment (other than maybe booting the ISO in KVM and mounting the harddrive in the VM?)
[15:17] <CarlFK> edude03: depending on what you mean.. look at kexec
[15:18] <edude03> Hmm see I can think of a lot of workarounds, but I'd rather help fix it if possible
[15:19] <edude03> I have a 16GB USB3 Usb with ubuntu 14,04 working on this laptop, the fix maybe to mirror that install onto the SSD but again would rather figure out the actual problem
[15:20] <edude03> CarlFK kexec probably wouldn't work since it would use the same install image that doesn't boot as a rootfs no?
[15:22] <CarlFK> edude03: du no.  I just got here and missed the OP.  what's going on?
[15:24] <edude03> haha no worries CarlFK, basically the 14.04 installer won't start on my laptop, but I installed 14.04 from the same image on to two externals and both of those can boot on this laptop so I'm trying to figure out why the system can boot but the installer can't
[15:27] <BluesKaj> edude03, the installer probly doesn't see the hdd
[15:28] <BluesKaj> but there are already too many cooks in this kitchen
[15:28] <edude03> But again, that shouldn't cause it to have a (seemingly graphics related) kernel panic
[15:28] <edude03> It should just have no drives when the installer starts
[15:29] <BluesKaj> depends on the boot sequence , where does it look first
[15:29] <edude03> USB HDD then internal drive
[15:33] <Rovanion> Is anyone else having the issue where mouse clicks don't register if the mouse is moving with the touchpad?
[15:33] <Rovanion> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/1298345
[15:59] <elhoir> hello, i need some help with a problem
[15:59] <elhoir> im trying to install Ubuntu 14.04 from USB stick
[15:59] <elhoir> but when i come to the partition selection window, HDD is empty
[16:00] <elhoir> no window NTFS partition detected
[16:00] <elhoir> so i cant install Ubuntu with dual-boot
[16:00] <elhoir> (im using Win7 64-bit in BIOS mode, not UEFI)
[16:00] <elhoir> some help, please....
[16:00] <Beldar> !uefi
[16:01] <elhoir> and, if i boot Ubuntu via USB-live, NTFS partition is correctly seen
[16:01] <elhoir> so, i dont know what the problem is
[16:01] <Beldar> You have a gpt partition table still most likely.
[16:01] <mathuin> What is the recommended VNC-type remote access solution for trusty?  I searched ubuntu.com for tahr and got no hits while the hits for trusty were unrelated.
[16:01] <elhoir> Beldar, how can i test it? and how can i solve it?
[16:01] <Beldar> elhoir, Why are you installing a development?
[16:02] <elhoir> Beldar, i like it ^^
[16:02] <elhoir> Beldar, so you mean it probably works with 13.10 ?
[16:02] <Beldar> hardly different then 13.10
[16:02] <Beldar> more support for a release
[16:03] <Beldar> I gotta go
[16:03] <elhoir> ok, i will try to install 13.10
[16:15] <BluesKaj> elhoir, try the legacy mode in the EFI /BIOS
[16:15] <elhoir> Bluefoxicy, im already on it
[16:16] <elhoir> laptop came with Windows 7, i formatted and reinstalled win7
[16:16] <BluesKaj> what installation media ?
[16:16] <elhoir> all under BIOS, not UEFI
[16:17] <elhoir> BluesKaj, USB stick
[16:17] <elhoir> i have an Ubuntu USB stick ready as installation media
[16:17] <elhoir> i boot from it
[16:18] <BluesKaj> disable secure boot?
[16:18] <elhoir> but, it doesnt detect the win7 partition at the time of partitioning
[16:18] <elhoir> Bluefoxicy, whats that?
[16:18] <BluesKaj> and enable USB
[16:18] <elhoir> yes, USB is enabled
[16:18] <elhoir> i can boot Ubuntu from USB
[16:18] <elhoir> but i cant install in HDD
[16:18] <BluesKaj> secure boot in the BIOS
[16:19] <elhoir> booting is not the problem, man
[16:20] <elhoir> the problem is that trhe partition stage of the ubuntu installed doesnt work for me
[16:20] <BluesKaj> elhoir, do you have an ext4 partition ready for installing ubuntu
[16:20] <elhoir> Blues
[16:20] <elhoir> BluesKaj, no
[16:20] <elhoir> just empty space
[16:20] <elhoir> ready for partitioning with the Ubuntu installed
[16:21] <elhoir> as i have always done
[16:21] <elhoir> installer*
[16:22] <BluesKaj> I usually prepartiton and setup ext4 before using the installation media, it's easier IMO
[16:33] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:58] <progers> Hello!
[17:00] <progers> Is there anyway to change the caps lock press speed, because if i type A and fast switch to small litters and then type small a he will type at screen AA can i have microsoft natural egronomic keyboard 4000
[17:15] <feneco> whats the release date of ubuntu 14?
[17:16] <johnjohn101> april 17th
[17:16] <johnjohn101> !release
[17:16] <johnjohn101> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[17:17] <johnjohn101> feneco: 3 more weeks!!
[17:23] <mbrgm> hi! i have an issue with the latest daily build. whenever I reboot, my system powers off instead of rebooting. this does not happen with a debian installation on another partition, so I guess it's not a hardware fault
[17:26] <feneco> thanks johnjohn101
[17:26] <feneco> i dont know if i install now or i wait
[17:27] <johnjohn101> i'm running in a virtual machine.  thought about taking my main box to 14.04 as well but I always wait a month or so after it's released.
[17:28] <janzert1> any idea when beta2 images will be out?
[17:41] <IdleOne> !schedule | janzert
[17:43] <janzert> Yes that gives final beta freeze as today, but I don't know how long it usually takes for images to get to say http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/14.04/
[17:45] <janzert> I'd go by the beta1 dates but some of those actually show a month prior to the release
[17:46] <ice9> does ubuntu 14.04 has Unity 8?
[17:51] <Forkz> Hey. If I install the daily build of Tahr, will it follow trough to be stable at April 17th (assuming nothing breaks between now and then)_
[17:51] <Forkz> ?
[17:52] <trism> Forkz: yes
[17:54] <Forkz> Great, thanks!
[18:00] <SonikkuAmerica> Are all flavors in final beta mode now?
[18:03] <BluesKaj> SonikkuAmerica, I assume they are.
[18:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Yay. Time to do-release-upgrade for me! :)
[18:36] <elhoir> BluesKaj, i have just formatted the partition in ext4 FS - still doesnt detect it
[18:36] <elhoir> its so weird
[18:36] <elhoir> 1st time i face this problem
[18:36] <elhoir> :/
[18:37] <elhoir> ( 14.04, not tested with 13.10)
[19:14] <BluesKaj> elhoir, explain , doesn't detect it, or make sure you use manual partitioning to choose the correct partition in the installer/ubiquity
[19:16] <BluesKaj> elhoir, manual partitoning with ubuntu installer list of choices is called " something else" I believe
[20:07] <elhoir> BluesKaj, let me try to explain
[20:07] <elhoir> in the Ubuntu installer, there are two options
[20:07] <elhoir> "use the whole disk"
[20:07] <elhoir> and "manual partitioning"
[20:07] <elhoir> i dont want to use the whole disk, so i go to "manual patitioning"
[20:08] <elhoir> and, once in there, i see no partitions
[20:08] <elhoir> it says "1TB free"
[20:08] <elhoir> which is not true
[20:18] <BluesKaj> elhoir, are there any other hdds connected to the pc. like an external ?
[20:57] <BluesKaj> sorry elhoir , i have to leave
[21:50] <mbrgm> hi! how can I upgrade to the latest daily version of 14.04 from an older install image?
[21:50] <k1l_> mbrgm: just run the updates
[21:51] <mbrgm> k1l_: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade will be enough?
[21:52] <k1l_> to bring an older 14.04 to the latest updates, yes
[21:52] <mbrgm> k1l_: ty
[21:54] <mbrgm> one other thing: I installed the latest daily build on a server with a SuperMicro mainboard. whenever I reboot the machine, it does instead poweroff (couldn't have a look at it, but it seemed to be a hard power-off, like suddenly unplugging). is this a known issue?
[21:54] <mbrgm> I couldn't find anything in the tracker, but maybe I searched in the wrong place or for the wrong term...
[21:55] <mbrgm> when I reboot the machine with KVM console connected, reboot works, but it crashes when loading some modules.
[21:56] <mbrgm> so what's the best way of investigating in this case/filing a bug report etc.? didn't do that before, so have to ask...