[14:59]  * slangasek waves
[14:59]  * stgraber waves
[14:59]  * barry wavers
[15:00] <jodh> o/
[15:01] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Mar 27 15:01:35 2014 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:02] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round
[15:02] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek cjwatson xnox caribou infinity)
[15:02] <slangasek> doko slangasek infinity cjwatson bdmurray caribou barry jodh xnox stgraber
[15:03] <slangasek> doko_: hi
[15:03] <doko_>  - another round of GCC updates
[15:03] <doko_>  - python 3.4 update, python 3.3 removal
[15:03] <doko_>  - cleaning up a bit in -proposed, nbs
[15:03] <doko_>  - scan for compiler ICEs in the 4.9 test rebuild, file upstream issues
[15:03] <doko_>  - some random updates and ftbfs fixes
[15:03] <doko_> (done) there was more, can't remember all ...
[15:04] <barry> \o/ for 3.3 removal
[15:04] <doko_> a few days remaining to remove ruby1.9.1 and update to ruby2.0 ;-P
[15:05] <slangasek> oh?
[15:05] <slangasek>  * catching up on the world after being heads-down on customer work for two weeks
[15:05] <slangasek>  * moving forward on the Java role; expected to begin interviewing next week
[15:05] <slangasek>  * participating in good discussions about the current landing process and bottlenecks around image promotion (cf. Qt5.2)
[15:05] <slangasek>  * discussions around some late FFes coming in
[15:05] <slangasek>  * performance review discussions using the new and improved process
[15:05] <slangasek> (done)
[15:05] <slangasek> doko_: are we switching to ruby2.0 for trusty, or is it your turn to troll? :)
[15:06] <slangasek> infinity's not here, so cjwatson:
[15:06] <cjwatson> Finished landing upstart-app-launch performance improvements via libclick.
[15:06] <cjwatson> Clawed away some of the backlog of uninstallables on arm64/ppc64el.
[15:06] <cjwatson> grub-installer fixes for ppc64el.
[15:06] <doko_> well, I assume security would like to only support one version, but nobody is pushing for it, and the puppet people won't look at it as usual :-/
[15:06] <cjwatson> Continuing work on making ubuntu-sdk-libs-dev:armhf installable for "click chroot".  Landed: dee, libaccounts-glib.  Current blockers: libfriends, qml-friends.
[15:06] <cjwatson> ubiquity fixes for final beta (reviewed bug 1297312, worked around bug 1296697).
[15:06] <cjwatson> Started trying to get my juju cross-build environment back up on trusty.
[15:06] <cjwatson> ..
[15:07] <cjwatson> ruby updates are a long way behind - I spent some time looking at various bits, it's a mess
[15:07] <cjwatson> like ruby-gnome2, we can fix it, realistically it'll take a new upstream version which'll need an FFe
[15:07] <cjwatson> and it's kind of all like that
[15:08] <cjwatson> but maybe I just don't know it well enough
[15:08] <slangasek> doko_: who are "the puppet people"?
[15:09]  * barry thinks that sounds like a great band name or horror movie title
[15:09] <slangasek> doko_: in the future, can we please make such questions a UDS session, so that we discuss with the server team at the beginning of the cycle and get a committment from them to include this work on their roadmap for the cycle?
[15:09] <barry> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051381/
[15:10] <slangasek> cjwatson: speaking of puppets, I had bug #1292628 escalated to me in person; this seems to be a regression in the interaction between grub-install, grub-installer, and kickseed following the recent grub-installer rewrite.  Do you think this should be on the radar for 14.04?
[15:11] <doko_> slangasek, how? the plans for 2.0 did start in debian only in January ...
[15:11] <cjwatson> slangasek: I'll have a look
[15:11] <slangasek> doko_: hmmm. put the UDS session on the agenda, and make the server team do their homework on ruby versions before the meeting? :)
[15:12] <doko_> ok
[15:12] <cjwatson> surprising that the grub-mkdevicemap code would have broken; so hopefully it's not too hard
[15:12] <slangasek> the planning for ruby2.0 may have started in January, but I guess if someone would have asked the Debian ruby team in November they would've had a good guess
[15:12]  * bdmurray is ready but waiting
[15:12] <cjwatson> I vaguely recall the Debian ruby maintainer mentioning 2.0 at debconf in July/August or so
[15:13] <slangasek> cjwatson: sorry, it's not grub-mkdevicemap that's the problem per se, the problem is that kickseed is feeding us '(hd0)' as an override and grub-install never has a device map on disk so seems to not do anything sensible
[15:13] <cjwatson> though it was in passing and I don't think he mentioned a timescale
[15:13] <cjwatson> slangasek: right, but the grub-mkdevicemap calling code in grub-installer is meant to deal with that just as it did in prior releases
[15:13] <slangasek> hmm
[15:13] <slangasek> ok
[15:13] <slangasek> stgraber: ?
[15:13] <cjwatson> I'm not disbelieving the bug or anything, just saying it's hopefully shallow
[15:14] <doko_> yes, met him at Connect a few weeks ago. I think we can't remove it, but likely demote it if puppet works with 2.0
[15:14] <stgraber> slangasek: ?
[15:15] <bdmurray> I think I was next so I'll start now
[15:15] <bdmurray> confirm prodstack data is appearing on graphite
[15:15] <bdmurray> reported daisy bug 1295400 regarding retracer sandboxes
[15:15] <bdmurray> submitted merge proposal to daisy to remove sandbox dir data after each retrace (bug 1295400)
[15:15] <bdmurray> merged thedac's changes to the daisy-retracer charm
[15:15] <bdmurray> updated daisy's submit.py to reject crashes from armel systems as we have no retracer for them
[15:15] <bdmurray> verified that bug 1267112 is in fact fixed since we have a bucket for the ubiquity / autopilot-gtk bug
[15:15] <bdmurray> investigation into hplip-data crashes missing package and sourcepackage information
[15:15] <bdmurray> tested daisy (haproxy config) changes to reduce occurrence of 502 errors in whoopsie
[15:15] <bdmurray> worked with thedac regarding missing OOPS reports from prodstack version of errors
[15:15] <bdmurray> updated my apport retrace-package-versions merge proposal
[15:15] <bdmurray> sent error tracker armhf announcement
[15:15] <bdmurray> investigation into armhf crashes on errors (webbrowser-app failed to retrace, likely due to outdated debug symbol package for liblttng-ust0)
[15:16] <bdmurray> SRU queue work with arges
[15:16] <bdmurray> uploaded a fix for bug 1294392
[15:16] <bdmurray> ␗ done
[15:16] <bdmurray> research into update-manager test suite failures (bug 1295392)
[15:16] <slangasek> stgraber: hah, yes, somehow I thought you were next - sorry :)
[15:16] <slangasek> caribou: anything you'd like to share today?
[15:17] <caribou> I'm next, it'll be quick
[15:17] <caribou> * Completed uvtool documentation in the server guide
[15:17] <caribou> *btmp logging re-enabling (Debian bug #742775)
[15:17] <caribou> * Misc bug fixing
[15:17] <caribou> Done
[15:17] <barry> short week due to holiday
[15:17] <slangasek> bdmurray: we should have noisemakers and party hats for the armhf retracers
[15:18] <barry> phone: py3 autopilot: gallery-app, address-book-app.  trying to further debug phablet-test-run issues.
[15:18] <barry> ubuntu/debian: LP: #1295392. LP: #1296325. pystache FTBFS. pip 1.5.3-1 (blocked on python-distutil in stuck in NEW).  ensurepip/pyvenv for debian.  other general debian work
[15:18] <barry> other: debugging python import problems for security team (http://tinyurl.com/l7ps5br).  code reviews for other internal projects.
[15:18] <barry> done
[15:18] <jodh> * foundations-1305-upstart-work-items
[15:18] <jodh>   - cgroup support: Spent a lot of time debugging the async spawn issue
[15:18] <jodh>     with help from cjwatson. As a result of that, we're now planning not
[15:18] <jodh>     to pursue the async spawning feature due to the fact that to
[15:18] <jodh>     implement this fully would require an extensive refactoring of the
[15:18] <jodh>     Upstart core. As such, I'm now refocusing on the cgroup branch with
[15:18] <jodh>     the intention of either having Upstart manage its own cgroups, or
[15:18] <jodh>     working with hallyn to refactor cgmanager to allow Upstart to
[15:18] <jodh>     leverage that work in some form.
[15:18] <jodh> * upstart
[15:18] <jodh>   - Wrote draft release notes for Upstart
[15:18] <jodh>     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/TechnicalOverviewUpstart
[15:19] <jodh>   - Reworked MP for logrotate improvements:
[15:19] <cjwatson> caribou: fwiw I don't think the claim in that btmp bug is totally true; Debian stable at least still has -rw-rw---- 1 root utmp 0 Mar  1 08:02 /var/log/btmp
[15:19] <jodh>     https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/ubuntu/trusty/upstart/periodic-logrotate-using-events/+merge/212569
[15:19] <jodh>   -
[15:19] <jodh> Ⱆ
[15:19] <cjwatson> caribou: this isn't simple, need to track down exactly what changed and when
[15:19] <cjwatson> otherwise I'll cause regressions
[15:19] <caribou> cjwatson: ok, will check that out
[15:19] <stgraber> no xnox so I guess that's my turn then
[15:20] <stgraber> LXC:
[15:20] <stgraber>  - Finally tracked down our last 1.0.2 blocker, will release 1.0.2 today with cgmanager support enabled in Ubuntu (that may be our last LXC upload for the cycle)!
[15:20] <stgraber>  - Some more CI infrastructure work (almost everything runs in Jenkins now)
[15:20] <stgraber>  - Code reviews
[15:20] <stgraber>  - A couple of bugfixes for lxc-ls performance when > 2k containers and userns config fixes
[15:20] <stgraber>  - Fire fighting the latest apparmor breakage (they broke the parser causing quite a few bug reports for LXC upstream and in Ubuntu...)
[15:20] <stgraber> logind:
[15:20] <stgraber>  - Unblocked as the cgmanager MIR was finally approved!
[15:20] <stgraber>  - Filed the FFe to get cgmanager support landed: bug 1297363
[15:20] <stgraber> network:
[15:20] <stgraber>  - Uploaded a new ifupdown fixing quite a few bugs reported by CTS.
[15:20] <stgraber>  - Uploaded a new vlan fixing another bug reported by CTS.
[15:20] <stgraber>  - Did some more triaging of our network packages.
[15:20] <stgraber>  - Answered some of lamont's OpenVPN questions and looked into a few NM OpenVPN crashes.
[15:20] <cjwatson> caribou: ah, actually that's not a problem per the code ... would still like to know when/where btmp changed perms though
[15:20] <stgraber> system-image:
[15:20] <stgraber>  - some discussions and some code to get new image notifications delivered by the new push service.
[15:20] <stgraber> other:
[15:20] <stgraber>  - Helping lttng upstream update their packages to a stable version for 14.04.
[15:20] <stgraber>  - Couple of CI-Train landings.
[15:20] <stgraber>  - Some FFe and queue review.
[15:20] <stgraber>  - Helped setup Beta 2, tested Edubuntu, fixed a couple of issues, added ppc64el to tracker + cdimage scripts, ...
[15:20] <stgraber> (DONE)
[15:21] <cjwatson> caribou: ah, and openssh itself has started allowing group rw since the bug was originally filed, too, which was the other part of i
[15:21] <cjwatson> t
[15:22] <slangasek> any questions over status?
[15:22] <slangasek> btw, I should have mentioned, I'll be off Monday
[15:24] <slangasek> [topic] AOB
[15:24] <slangasek> anything else today?
[15:25] <bdmurray> Could someone have a look at bug 1296386 and related bug 1296373?
[15:25] <slangasek> has someone started putting together beach recommendations for the May sprint?
[15:26] <slangasek> bdmurray: any reason those shouldn't be pushed to ubuntu-sponsors?
[15:26] <slangasek> alternatively, you could check if infinity wants to have a look at this
[15:26] <cjwatson> caribou: ah, I found it, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=370050
[15:26] <bdmurray> ubuntu-sponsors deals with branches and debdiffs not ordinary patches last I knew
[15:27] <cjwatson> ubuntu-sponsors largely shouldn't care about the format
[15:27] <cjwatson> those are native packages, the difference between a patch and a debdiff is negligible
[15:27] <bdmurray> I don't think it was the format so much as the volume
[15:28] <bdmurray> However, the system (of choosing who to subscribe) was setup quite some time ago
[15:31] <slangasek> I think it's fine to have separate frontline review of patch-tagged bugs to make sure they're actually ready for sponsorship, but in this case I think it would be ready for sponsorship
[15:33] <bdmurray> slangasek: ah, that makes sense
[15:35] <bdmurray> okay, I'll ping infinity and depending on that subscribe sponsors
[15:35] <slangasek> bdmurray: sounds good
[15:35] <slangasek> aught else?
[15:36] <cjwatson> naught
[15:36] <cjwatson> except for wondering why the sudden Elizabethan English :)
[15:36] <slangasek> ;)
[15:36] <cjwatson> sorry, "save for"
[15:37] <slangasek> cjwatson: variety
[15:37] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:37] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Mar 27 15:37:17 2014 UTC.
[15:37] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-03-27-15.01.moin.txt
[15:37] <slangasek> thanks all
[15:37] <barry> thanks!
[15:37] <stgraber> thanks!
[15:37] <jodh> thanks!