[06:12] <pitti> Good morning
[07:54] <DanChapman> good morning
[07:55] <elfy> hi DanChapman
[07:56] <DanChapman> guten morgen herr elfy
[07:58] <elfy> kid at school today?
[08:01] <jibel> Good morning
[08:01] <jibel> morning DanChapman elfy
[08:01] <pitti> ça va jibel, bonjour !
[08:01] <elfy> hi jibel pitti
[08:02] <DanChapman> elfy yep still another week of sanity to go, then easter holidays
[08:02]  * DanChapman plans to hide somewhere
[08:02] <jibel> Guten Morgen pitti, mir geht es gut, danke!
[08:03] <DanChapman> morning jibel
[08:04] <elfy> DanChapman: school not out yesterday then - lucky ...
[08:05] <DanChapman> elfy not that i'm aware of. :-/ i'd better check i have it right
[08:05] <elfy> yesterday DanChapman - surely you can just remember :p
[08:05] <elfy> strikes down here :p
[08:05] <jibel> DanChapman, elfy you're seeing bug 1284635 after installation, right?
[08:05] <jibel> ie. not during a live session
[08:05] <elfy> jibel: yep
[08:05] <jibel> k
[08:06] <DanChapman> jibel yes only after reboot & login
[08:06] <elfy> and you would not believe how much time I invested in checking different flavours with it
[08:07] <jibel> elfy, I can believe how much time is invested in checking and confirming bug reports :)
[08:07] <elfy> jibel: I am wondering if it is 'tied' up with the installer not recognising that UK keyboard for UK timezone - which it used to do but is failing to do now
[08:08] <elfy> jibel: bug 1231520
[08:09] <elfy> and yes I can believe how much time is invested in checking/confirming bugs
[08:09] <elfy> we're not enjoying this issue in xubuntu land
[08:11] <jibel> elfy, it is affecting all flavours, on ubuntu keyboard is always set to US during a live session, whatever langugage is selected in ubiquity-dm
[08:11] <elfy> I didn't see it in Kubuntu, didn't look at edu- or myth-
[08:12] <elfy> I do see it in xubuntu, lu- and studio
[08:13] <elfy> jibel: yes I know that US is set during live session, BUT previously once I had set TZ to UK, the keyboard then followed suit - currently it sits at US till changed
[08:13] <elfy> probably not part of the issue - just trying to give as much info as possible :)
[09:33] <davmor2> jibel: I covered all the amd64 essentials at 11 I'll double up on the i386 if you want :)
[09:41] <jibel> davmor2, I saw that, great work, thanks!
[09:42] <jibel> davmor2, I confoirming bug 1284635 and bug 1298251. I cannot reproduce them on Ubuntu, the latter seems to happen only on kubuntu
[09:43] <jibel> davmor2, and also reporting upgrade bugs/crashes
[09:43] <jibel> davmor2, did you find any issue that should be added to the release notes?
[10:56] <jibel> jamespage, I'm updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/Beta2, server is participating to B2 right?
[10:56] <jamespage> yes
[11:08] <davmor2> jibel: I think the lack of wifi on the mac install is the only issue that I hit but that appears after you enable 3rd party stuff in the installer so I'm assuming it's just a driver.
[11:10] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:10] <jibel> davmor2, about 1297851 you had to do a hard reset?
[11:10] <jibel> bug 1297851
[11:10] <davmor2> jibel: only happened on the older image was fine on the newer one
[11:12] <jibel> davmor2, can you update the bug report, and downgrade the importance then
[11:12] <davmor2> jibel: will do
[11:12] <jibel> davmor2, I cannot find the "lack of wifi" bug on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/defects , what's the bug number?
[11:12] <davmor2> jibel: not really a bug which is why.
[11:13] <davmor2> I need to double check it this morning
[11:14] <davmor2> jibel: I'm pretty sure it is just the wifi is a broadcom chip or something and needs 3rd party drivers live session should be able to tell me in a minute though
[11:14] <jibel> davmor2, probably, I don't remember the chipset in this machine
[11:14] <jibel> davmor2, what does lspci says?
[11:18] <davmor2> jibel: set the bug low and added a comment but I'll keep an eye open for it, mac  booting up now
[11:27] <davmor2> jibel: so it is a broadcom corp Airport Extreem which requires a binary driver \o/
[12:43] <jibel> elfy, knome do you have a release notes for Beta 2, there is nothing INPROGRESS: Beta 2 testing
[12:43] <jibel> oops
[12:43] <jibel> here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Beta2/Xubuntu
[12:43] <elfy> jibel: not yet - just off out for a short while - it will be there
[12:43] <jibel> ok
[12:44] <elfy> and thanks for picking up on this keyboard issue - I was getting close to bald pulling hair out ...
[13:00] <elfy> jibel: it is there now - even if we fiddle with it a bit later
[13:07] <rvr> elopio: Meeting time!
[14:50] <davmor2> jibel: should I be worried by the new builds ;) did you want some upgrade tests running ?
[14:52] <jibel> davmor2, it's fine, I managed to run some upgrade tests this morning
[14:52] <davmor2> jibel: from latest and precise?
[14:52] <jibel> davmor2, from precise
[14:53] <davmor2> jibel: okay I'll run some saucy ones then then both are covered
[14:53] <davmor2> I'm assuming it'll be fine but good to check :)
[15:06] <jibel> davmor2, if you can just verify that the world doesn't fall apart when you run a "screen reader" installation, that'd be nice
[15:06] <jibel> even in a vm
[15:07] <davmor2> I can do that
[15:10] <stgraber> jibel: do you have anyone doing a Chinese install test? I tried one yesterday and I can't seem to switch between the pinyin input method (default) and the standard input method (us keyboard). The indicator is very confusing and ctrl+space/meta+space don't appear to work.
[15:10] <stgraber> but since everything was in zh_CN, that may just have been me being confused ;)
[15:13] <jibel> stgraber, I did and indeed I had to switch manually from the indicator. I thought it was because I didn't understand chinese and did something wrong :)
[15:14] <jibel> stgraber, also after login sometimes pinyin is enabled and sometimes it is not
[15:15] <jibel> stgraber, I'll ask a real CJK (or at least some one who understand it) to review this before the release
[15:15] <jibel> for Beta 2 it is a bit too late
[15:15] <stgraber> yeah, things seem to be very different from what I was used to in past releases where we'd default to the regular input method, then switch to pinyin with ctrl+space
[15:16] <stgraber> also, I'm not seeing the usual live completion window for pinyin => chinese
[15:16] <jibel> stgraber, from the preference the shortcut is now Super + space
[15:17] <stgraber> ah, so it may have been unity eating the Super key when I tried in my VM...
[15:43] <davmor2> jibel: screen reader works but it's detection of some of the text is a bit meh
[15:49] <jibel> davmor2, okay, it has always been a bit meh. But at least it doesn't make the installer crash?
[15:50] <davmor2> jibel: give it time it's not complete yet ;)
[15:50] <davmor2> nearly though
[15:53] <davmor2> jibel: okay completed no crashing :)
[17:14] <davmor2> Man upgrades take so LONG
[17:15] <elopio> alesage, rvr, rhuddie: my branch to fill the address book form has landed
[17:15] <elopio> so the first part of our first test is finally unblocked.
[17:15] <rvr> elopio: Cool
[17:15] <alesage> elopio eexcellent
[17:15] <elopio> om26er: any progress getting ubuntu-integration-tests to run in jenkins?
[17:16] <om26er> elopio, i didn't work on it for a while, but enabling that in CI is simple enough as just adding an entry to cupstream2distro-config
[17:16] <om26er> elopio, we can probably request fginther for that
[17:17] <elopio> om26er: ok, I'll get to it next week.
[17:17] <elopio> om26er: what about the rename?
[17:20] <om26er> elopio, rename has been done
[17:20] <om26er> elopio, its not ubuntu_experience_tests
[17:20] <elopio> om26er: cool, thanks.
[17:20] <om26er> elopio, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-autopilot-tests/ubuntu-experience-tests
[17:21] <om26er> only the branch needs changing, which the admin can do, (Hello balloons :)
[17:21]  * balloons waves
[17:21] <balloons> so would you like me to change the branch name right now?
[17:21] <om26er> balloons, mind changing that branch https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-autopilot-tests/ubuntu-experience-tests to ubuntu-experience-tests ?
[17:22] <om26er> balloons, yes, its currently lp:ubuntu-autopilot-tests/ubuntu-integration-tests
[17:22] <balloons> om26er, actually it says the name is ubuntu-experience-tests now
[17:22] <balloons> hmm
[17:22] <om26er> balloons, yes, I changed that only for the link but the lp branch name is still "integration"
[17:23] <balloons> I see got it
[17:23] <balloons> done
[17:23] <om26er> balloons, cool, admins are so powerful
[17:24] <balloons> om26er, elopio speaking of admins, I should share some of this admin power now. Who wants in?
[17:24] <om26er> balloons, I am not going to be working on that code base so elopio is the right candidate probably.
[17:25] <elopio> balloons: yes, me please.
[17:26] <elopio> alesage: did you have any luck running the unity8 tests?
[17:26] <balloons> elopio, done :-)
[17:27] <alesage> elopio no haven't looked at today yet, any news?
[17:27] <elfy> hi balloons
[17:27] <elopio> alesage: on the desktop, no good news, now it doesn't even unlocks the screen. But on the phone they are running nicely.
[17:28] <elopio> I will work on the phone for now.
[17:28] <balloons> hi elfy
[17:29] <alesage> elopio ok
[17:35] <infinity> Any lubuntu folks around?
[17:41] <elopio> om26er: review, please:  https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-autopilot-tests/flake8/+merge/213119
[17:41] <om26er> elopio, assuming flake8 is pep8 ?
[17:42] <om26er> or both pyflakes and pep8 ?
[17:42] <elopio> both.
[17:42] <elopio> with some extra sugar that thomi likes
[17:46] <om26er> tests, works as expected. Approved
[17:51] <elopio> om26er: we have to manually land things here, right?
[17:52] <om26er> elopio, I did manual merges previously, given its not in Ubuntu (yet) its fine to land things manually
[17:53] <elopio> ok
[17:53] <elopio> om26er: and you where trying to get it into trusty, right? How did it go?
[17:54] <om26er> elopio, I don't think it has landed, sil2100 did some initial work to make it in compliance with CI train but then he got busy with other things so it never landed into ubuntu
[17:55] <elopio> I guess it's now better to wait for the U cycle.
[18:22] <elopio> alesage: I've left you a long comment on the indicators branch.
[18:22] <alesage> elopio, exciting, thanks :)
[18:23] <elopio> I'm sorry, now I know more about the unity8 tests code, so I can be twice as mean with my reviews :D
[18:28] <alesage> elopio, if we keep multiplying by two eventually we'll get a buffer overflow on meanness :)
[18:30] <infinity> Anyone?  Any lubuntu testy people around?
[18:31] <infinity> jibel / balloons: Who should I be poking directly for a lubuntu goahead?
[18:31] <infinity> (Manifest claims gilir, but he's not around)
[18:31] <balloons> infinity, I don't believe anyone replaced phil, so it fails to gilir
[18:32] <balloons> *falls
[18:32] <infinity> Alright, I'm going to just make an executive decision to not release their ppc/desktop ISO, since the bug linked to it sounds pretty bad.
[18:38] <balloons> infinity, I wonder if the final release will see a ppc image?
[18:38] <infinity> balloons: Depends on if their bug gets fixed, I guess.
[18:39] <infinity> balloons: (It'll have a ppc ubuntu server image, which is all I really care about, but happy to help if people have patches or good bug reports)
[18:39] <infinity> balloons: Also, it seems no one even noticed that mythbuntu wasn't on the manifest / iso tracker.  Did no one step forward to do any testing and ask about it? :/
[18:40] <balloons> oO
[18:40] <infinity> I wonder if their "LTS-only" plan backfired, cause they've gotten out of the habit of doing milestones for two years...
[18:41] <balloons> Yea, I've not been in habit of looking for the images either.. no one has
[18:42] <balloons> Have to ask Thomas
[18:42] <balloons> infinity, they have been doing 12.04 point releases, so :-)
[18:44] <infinity> balloons: Could be, perhaps, that none of them are subscribed to the right lists to have noticed the freeze announcements?
[18:44] <infinity> (Which would be a pretty subtle hint that one might need to test ISOs)
[18:44] <balloons> infinity, I'll ping thomas directly and make sure he knows about the final release needs
[18:45] <infinity> balloons: If you could be a dear as community QA dude and chase them up for me, that would be awesome.  They obviously have missed the beta at this point, but I'm not going to disqualify them from final for it, when literally none of us seemed to notice.
[18:46] <infinity> (How none of us noticed is a bit extra confusing... I guess the list is just getting long...)
[18:46] <infinity> Having the upgrades and other non-ISO things on the same page also muddies up any attempt to tally totals.
[18:47] <balloons> yea, it raises a red flag, heh
[18:47] <infinity> stgraber: Speaking of that.  Would it be hard to make the non-ISO products (upgrades, cloud images, netboot) be not alphabetically mingled in, or even on another page?
[18:48] <infinity> stgraber: It's actually pretty hard to scroll through all the crap to eyeball image readiness.
[18:49] <infinity> s/non-ISO/non-cdimage/ I guess.
[18:50] <stgraber> infinity: you know you can just untick them in the list on the left and then they won't bother you anymore
[18:50] <infinity> stgraber: (Yes, I know I can uncheck them, but then they're gone from view entirely until I remember to undo THAT)
[18:50] <stgraber> :)
[18:51] <infinity> A split view of "cdimage products" and "other products" (with the form actions duplicated under each set, so one doesn't need to scroll all the way down to mark images) might be nice.
[18:52] <infinity> Oh, whee, guess who forgot to do source CDs too.
[18:52] <infinity> I bet those still publish weirdly as well.
[21:56] <elopio> alesage: can you review this one for me, please?
[21:56] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/unity8/search_updated/+merge/213155
[21:59] <alesage> elopio ok
[22:03] <elopio> alesage: I also have another branch with a data object patter for when we have a big form.
[22:04] <alesage> elopio ok
[22:04] <elopio> I'm not sure if I already showed it to you
[22:04] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/address-book-app/fill_form-professional/+merge/208929
[22:04] <elopio> it's big, so don't hurry. Whenever you have time.
[22:04] <alesage> elopio I'll have a look in a bit
[22:05]  * elopio breaks. 
[22:05] <elopio> I'll be back in the night to make up for the morning hours I missed.
[22:07] <alesage> elopio, ok I'll do reviews