[00:00] <neuro> yay, it's officially pay day! (for me)
[00:08] <mapp> ;]
[00:08] <mapp> yay
[00:08] <mapp> lol thats so stupud how did that happen neuro
[03:00] <Azelphur> ali1234: hey, you alive?
[03:00] <ali1234> sure
[03:00] <Azelphur> ali1234: got a couple random questions about netbooting, figured you'd have all the answers
[03:01] <ali1234> maybe
[03:01] <Azelphur> 1) Can I set my router (openwrt) up so that I netboot from a machine in the network that isn't the router?, 2) I'm thinking it would be cool to set up some kind of system where I can just throw a ISO in a folder and have it automatically available for netboot, is something like this possible?
[03:01] <Azelphur> I've noticed pxe has some iso options, so I could probably just automatically generate the config file
[03:01] <ali1234> yes
[03:01] <Azelphur> sweet :)
[03:01] <ali1234> why wouldn't you?
[03:02] <Azelphur> well because in all the googling I've done, nobody seems to be doing it like that for some reason
[03:02] <neuro> crazy awake people at 3am ...
[03:02] <ali1234> how else would they do it?
[03:02] <ali1234> i don't understand what the router has got to do with it?
[03:02] <Azelphur> ali1234: it seems like most people extract the ISO and serve it direct from a folder, and only do one operating system, the few multiboot setups I've seen do the same
[03:03] <ali1234> you "netboot" grub and it does the rest
[03:03] <Azelphur> oh, I wasn't sure if I could have the netboot server be the machine that isn't the DHCP server
[03:03] <ali1234> sure
[03:03] <Azelphur> which is why I mentioned
[03:03] <neuro> can be anything running tftp
[03:03] <neuro> or whatever
[03:03] <Azelphur> fun
[03:04] <Azelphur> I shall play with this some more I suppose, then :)
[03:05] <ali1234> you don't even need the router to do the initial dhcp request
[03:05] <Azelphur> oh?
[03:05] <ali1234> you can have multiple dhcp servers on a network
[03:05] <Azelphur> really? I thought that broke the universe?
[03:05] <ali1234> no
[03:06] <ali1234> as long as you configure them so they don't step on each other's toes
[03:06] <neuro> not if they're configured correctly
[03:06] <Azelphur> I see
[03:06] <ali1234> istr that pxe dhcp requests are "different" somehow
[03:06] <ali1234> so they won't pick up an IP from a "normal" server
[03:06] <Azelphur> ah
[03:06] <ali1234> so if your second dhcp server only serves pxe requests, there will be no conflict
[03:06] <ali1234> i'm not 100% sure about this though
[03:07] <Azelphur> and if my first server doesn't serve pxe requests, I assume
[03:07] <ali1234> yes
[03:07] <Azelphur> anyway, I'll try and take the easiest route to success, as this is all learning curve for me
[03:07] <ali1234> well, no
[03:07] <ali1234> your first server could answer the pxe request with an ip allocation but if it doesn't also specify the PXE boot files, the cliet will just ignore it
[03:07] <ali1234> i think, anyway
[03:07] <Azelphur> ah :P
[03:07] <neuro> sounds like things are getting unnecessarily complicated :)
[03:08] <Azelphur> indeed, hehe
[03:08] <ali1234> yeah if you have openwrt just use that
[03:08] <Azelphur> ali1234: well, I'd require additional hardware, plus I have a home server, I figure it's better to have all the ISOs (And scripts for generating menu configs) on there.
[03:08] <ali1234> if you had some stupid manufacturer firmware it might be harder
[03:08] <Azelphur> the router has no mass storage :)
[03:08] <ali1234> sure but you can put the tftp server elsewhere
[03:08] <neuro> you don't need the storage on the router
[03:09] <Azelphur> oh, I see
[03:09] <neuro> next-server 192.168.whatever.whatever;
[03:09] <ali1234> my suggestion to you is "try it"
[03:09] <neuro> filename "pxelinux.0";
[03:09] <neuro> boom
[03:09] <ali1234> and watch what happens with tcpdump/wireshark
[03:09] <Azelphur> I am, been reading a lot of stuff and trying some things :P
[03:10] <ali1234> yes, "next-server"
[03:10] <ali1234> if the PXE gets a response that does not have a "next-server" then it should just ignore it
[03:11] <ali1234> i once had a computer that could only pxe boot from a novell netware server
[03:11] <Azelphur> so, TFTP in this case is serving the ISOs right? A lot of stuff mentions NFS, is that just for stuff that requires it's own storage space for writing (eg running a OS, rather than just the installer)
[03:11] <ali1234> it didn't use tftp at all
[03:11] <ali1234> that was weird
[03:12] <neuro> probably used ncp
[03:12] <ali1234> NFS is when you want to remote mount a writable filesystem
[03:12] <ali1234> neuro: yup, that was it
[03:12] <Azelphur> yup, thought so
[03:12] <neuro> ah netware
[03:12] <neuro> my old nemesis
[03:12] <ali1234> Azelphur: tftp is for like, the kernel and initrd
[03:12] <ali1234> netware was good for the time
[03:13] <ali1234> when you only had DOS and windows 3.1
[03:13] <ali1234> it "just worked"
[03:13] <neuro> well
[03:13] <neuro> that and your nic drivers
[03:13] <ali1234> which is more than you can say for NT 3.whatever
[03:13] <neuro> and the netware client stuff
[03:14] <Azelphur> ali1234: and pxelinux, where does that fit in?
[03:14] <ali1234> Azelphur: that's the bootloader, like grub
[03:14] <Azelphur> ah
[03:15] <ali1234> maybe displays a menu to choose OS
[03:15] <Azelphur> so I shouldn't be using that, if I want to use GRUB to boot ISOs?
[03:15] <ali1234> yeah
[03:15] <neuro> um
[03:15] <neuro> huh?
[03:15] <ali1234> pxelinux is part of isolinux collection of utils
[03:15] <neuro> why would you even ...
[03:16] <ali1234> you should use pxelinux instead of grub, it's probaby easier
[03:16] <ali1234> it does the same thing
[03:16] <neuro> yeah
[03:16] <neuro> exactly
[03:16] <Azelphur> ali1234: righto, yea, I've seen some documentation for using ISOs with it too, I will stick with it.
[03:16] <Azelphur> starting to understand what everything does now \o/
[03:16] <neuro> you set your pxelinux.cfg to use a kernel and the iso to boot from
[03:16] <neuro> no point in using grub
[03:17] <neuro> sorry, i'm being grumpy
[03:17] <neuro> i need a cigarette
[03:17] <neuro> but i have none
[03:17] <Azelphur> hehe
[03:18] <neuro> the smoker's lament
[03:18] <ali1234> pxe booting an iso is slow if you don't have gigabit btw
[03:18] <ali1234> it copies the whole thing afaik
[03:19] <Azelphur> that's fine, my whole network is gigabit
[03:19] <Azelphur> I even have some 802.11ac bits in here, my network is pretty modern \o/
[03:20] <Azelphur> obviously irrelevant to pxe, just showing off xD
[03:20] <neuro> oooooOOOOooooooh
[03:20] <neuro> *handbag*
[03:20] <Azelphur> haha
[03:20] <Azelphur> neuro: and proper, Intel open source driver 802.11ac too!
[03:20]  * neuro is mainly GigE (apart from a holdout 100 meg switch under my desk) and 802.11n (APPLE!)
[03:21] <neuro> open source wifi drivers concern me not :)
[03:21] <neuro> no linux desktop installs do i have
[03:21] <neuro> speaking like yoda for some reason, i am
[03:22] <Azelphur> neuro: pfft, I don't even own any non-linux machines any more
[03:22] <neuro> meh
[03:22] <Azelphur> Desktop (Xubuntu 13.10) TV is powered by Xubuntu 13.10 and XBMC, Laptop is Xubuntu 13.10, Phone and tablet are both Android.
[03:23] <neuro> i still don't buy the "android is linux" thing
[03:23] <neuro> it has a linux kernel and core, big woop
[03:23] <neuro> so does my TV :)
[03:24] <Azelphur> neuro: I've done fairly Linuxy things with it, on my old phone I'd dive into /proc/ and change the brightness lower than the UI allowed so I could read at night on it ;)
[03:24] <Azelphur> by /proc I of course mean /dev >.<
[03:24] <Azelphur> and I've chrooted Ubuntu on pretty much all my devices
[03:25] <neuro> you've what?
[03:25] <Azelphur> you can install Ubuntu in a chroot and VNC into localhost to get at it.
[03:25] <neuro> i know what a chroot is
[03:26] <neuro> it was more a wtf "what" than an i don't understand "what"
[03:26] <neuro> :)
[03:26] <Azelphur> neuro: yea, you can do that on Android, so I've had the full desktop version of Ubuntu on an Android device like that
[03:26] <ali1234> y u do dis?
[03:26] <Azelphur> it's the only way, afaik?
[03:26]  * neuro boggles
[03:26] <ali1234> yeah but why would you even want that?
[03:26] <neuro> just because, i guess :)
[03:26] <Azelphur> ali1234: admittedly it was entirely useless, but it was fun to try.
[03:27] <neuro> hackers don't always need reasons
[03:27] <Azelphur> hehe
[03:27] <Azelphur> although I haven't tried it on newer devices, I think it'd be cool to plug HDMI out in and have a full desktop running like that on a large monitor.
[03:27] <Azelphur> I reckon the newer devices with quad core processors would run it reasonably fast
[03:27] <Azelphur> back when I did it on my HTC Desire Z it was only a single core 800mhz (overclocked to 1.7) so it was fairly slow
[03:28] <ali1234> sure as long as you didn't load up firefox or open office
[03:28] <Azelphur> haha
[03:28] <neuro> or, you know, try to use it
[03:28] <neuro> at all
[03:28] <ali1234> yeah basically
[03:28] <Azelphur> xD
[03:28] <ali1234> no gcc
[03:28] <neuro> god, can you imagine compiling a kernel? :)
[03:28] <ali1234> i've done it
[03:28] <Azelphur> have you guys seen nemomobile? that's really got my attention at the moment
[03:28] <ali1234> it took forever
[03:29] <ali1234> Azelphur: go buy a jolla then
[03:29] <ali1234> it's the same core
[03:29] <Azelphur> ali1234: but NemoMobile will run native on Nexus devices
[03:29] <neuro> i have not seen nemomobile, no
[03:29] <ali1234> so will jolla then, if you port it
[03:29] <ali1234> *sailfish
[03:29] <neuro> but then again i'm not a mobile hacky person
[03:29] <neuro> so i don't keep up
[03:29] <Azelphur> neuro: it looks really interesting, fully open source, runs wayland, has android app compatibility
[03:29] <neuro> i didn't realise people were still futzing around with meego-based stuff
[03:30] <Azelphur> ali1234: I saw sailfish but I didn't approve as it has closed source elements, nemomobile is basically sailfish without the proprietary bits.
[03:30] <ali1234> neuro: jolla is meego
[03:30] <neuro> see?
[03:30] <neuro> told you i don't keep up
[03:30] <neuro> to be honest, i want my phone to Just Work
[03:30] <ali1234> Azelphur: yes, exactly
[03:30] <neuro> hence, iphone
[03:30] <ali1234> the android layer in sailfish is proprietary btw
[03:30]  * neuro hugs his iphone
[03:30] <Azelphur> really? that's odd, I thought the jvm thing was open source
[03:31] <ali1234> i have not heard about it being available in nemo
[03:31]  * neuro hugs his other iphone
[03:31] <Azelphur> guess you can't have everything
[03:31]  * neuro hugs his additional iphone
[03:31] <ali1234> maybe they have a different, free implementation (in which case it probably sucks)
[03:31]  * Azelphur stabs neuro 3 times, once for every iphone
[03:31] <neuro> i really need to get rid of some of these phones
[03:32] <neuro> i have a 4 from 2010, a 4S from 2011 and a 5s I bought myself a fortnight-ish ago
[03:32] <Azelphur> it still interests me anyway, it's definitely sounding like a step up from Android.
[03:32] <neuro> why le stab?
[03:32] <Azelphur> lots of potential there
[03:32] <ali1234> i'll let you know when i get mine
[03:32] <Azelphur> ali1234: cool
[03:32] <ali1234> that reminds me
[03:33] <Azelphur> ali1234: I don't like the jolla, specs are weak, price is high
[03:33] <Azelphur> nexus is much better value for money hardware wise and is likely to get the OS ported to it in the first 5 minutes
[03:33] <ali1234> yeah but it's nokia quality
[03:34] <Azelphur> Nexus 5 seems pretty decent quality to me, I've had no issues with it
[03:34] <ali1234> is it still LG>
[03:34] <ali1234> because i heard it's plastic trash
[03:35] <Azelphur> yea, it's essentially a slightly lower specced version of LGs flagship, the G2
[03:35] <Azelphur> which is the current highest specced device in the phone arena, iirc
[03:35] <ali1234> i doubt that
[03:36] <ali1234> isn't that the SGS4?
[03:36] <Azelphur> no way, the S4 is far weaker, the S4 is pretty old now
[03:37] <Azelphur> the S5 is due in a few days, that'll beat the G2
[03:37] <neuro> "beat" ...
[03:37] <neuro> the S4 is only 10 months old, btw
[03:37] <Azelphur> neuro: in terms of raw processing power :P
[03:37] <ali1234> the S4 has 8 cores...
[03:37] <neuro> who needs "raw processing power" on a frickin' phone?
[03:37] <Azelphur> ali1234: no, it has two four core processors, and one of them is wimpy.
[03:37] <ali1234> same memory
[03:38] <ali1234> better GPU
[03:38] <neuro> quad core?
[03:38] <Azelphur> it's a power saving feature, not a performance one
[03:38] <neuro> you sure?
[03:38] <neuro> oops, 8 core i mean
[03:38] <Azelphur> ali1234: Quad-core 1.6 GHz Cortex-A15 & quad-core 1.2 GHz Cortex-A7
[03:38] <Azelphur> the A7 being wimpy, and the A15  being crucified by the 2.3ghz krait 400 in the Nexus 5
[03:39] <neuro> i must be missing the point here
[03:39] <neuro> THESE ARE TELEPHONES
[03:39] <ali1234> you don't need to tell me, i know
[03:39] <Azelphur> neuro: nope, they are full computers that happen to be able to make phone calls.
[03:39] <Azelphur> wrong attitude ;)
[03:40] <neuro> if I wanted a portable computer, I would have a laptop or a tablet
[03:40] <neuro> OH WAIT, I DO
[03:40] <ali1234> they are not full computers. they do not have 24" screen, keyboard & mouse
[03:40] <Azelphur> neuro: so do I, there are places laptops and tablets can't go, however ;)
[03:40] <neuro> I want my portable telephone to be a portable telephone first and foremost
[03:40] <neuro> which means I want the battery to last as long as possible
[03:40] <ali1234> they do not have intel i7 processor and nvidia GTX780
[03:40] <neuro> because it is a portable telephone
[03:41] <ali1234> they do not have 32GB of ram
[03:41] <Azelphur> neuro: each to his own, I use my phone as a computer regularly
[03:41] <ali1234> they don't have 4TB of storage
[03:41] <neuro> and if my portable telephone has a quad core ridiculous thingamabob which eats power, it will be less useful to me as a portable telephone
[03:41] <ali1234> +1
[03:41] <Azelphur> ali1234: true, but then neither do most laptops, the smaller you go the lower the hardware
[03:41] <ali1234> battery life is the most important feature on a phone
[03:41] <Azelphur> neuro: personal preference
[03:41] <neuro> the fact that my portable telephone can also do apps and the like is a welcome bonus
[03:41] <Azelphur> I solve battery life by carring a 10k mAh battery in my coat pocket, it'll do me for around 5 days.
[03:42] <neuro> the fact also that i am on an unlimited data plan should show that i'm not exactly being a luddite here
[03:42] <ali1234> i use my phone for totally different things than my computer
[03:42] <neuro> that's not SOLVING BATTERY LIFE
[03:42] <ali1234> i use my phone to make phone calls, check email, and look at a map
[03:42] <Azelphur> works for me ;)
[03:42] <ali1234> i do not need quad core for that
[03:42] <ali1234> i only use my phone when i am outside my house
[03:42]  * neuro points at his iPhone 5s
[03:42] <neuro> dual core, baby
[03:42] <neuro> fast as hell
[03:42] <ali1234> iphone sucks man
[03:42] <neuro> yeah yeah
[03:43] <ali1234> i am still using SGS1 with 512mb and single core
[03:43] <Azelphur> ali1234: I use mine for everything, all of what you said, I hdmi out and use playstation controllers, play games on it, SSH, mumble, steam, xbmc, etc etc...
[03:43] <Azelphur> basically, I can use my phone for almost anything I'd use a desktop for.
[03:43] <ali1234> yes but why would you want to?
[03:43] <Azelphur> because it's far more portable
[03:43] <neuro> i'll just leave this sitting here ... https://www.dropbox.com/s/ehtkd9zs5k08h5o/Photo%2027-03-2014%2003%2036%2027.png
[03:43] <ali1234> when i go outside my house i talk to people and do things
[03:43] <ali1234> i don't go on irc on my phone
[03:44] <Azelphur> ali1234: I'm an introvert, when I go outside...I avoid people ;)
[03:44] <ali1234> STOP IT
[03:44] <Azelphur> haha
[03:45] <neuro> i understand and agree that it's each to their own
[03:45] <Azelphur> indeed, it is :)
[03:45] <Azelphur> I don't hate on people who only want a Nokia 3210.
[03:45] <neuro> i just don't see the point in quad core 5.5" screen stupid monster phones running crap OSes
[03:45] <Azelphur> neuro: 5.5" screen makes typing so much easier.
[03:45] <neuro> quite happy with my dual core 64bit 4" display awesomeness
[03:45] <Azelphur> although I miss the days we had slider keyboards
[03:45] <ali1234> stop typing stuff on your phone
[03:45] <Azelphur> xD
[03:45] <neuro> i can type just peachy on the iphone form factor
[03:46] <Azelphur> I have a laptop too you know, and a tablet
[03:46] <neuro> bigger displays confuse me
[03:46] <Azelphur> they all have their place, I use them all regularly
[03:46] <neuro> not tablety enough
[03:46] <neuro> also 5.5" screen is not one-handable
[03:46] <ali1234> the jolla phone has replaceable backs that can add features such as a hardware keyboard btw
[03:46] <neuro> unless you're a mega hand person or something
[03:46] <Azelphur> neuro: yea, 5.5" is a bit big for a phone, nexus 5 is a 5" and about as large as I'd like
[03:46] <ali1234> if you've got a 3d printer you could even build your own
[03:46] <neuro> 5" screen is too much for me too
[03:47] <neuro> 4" screen is just perfick for me
[03:47] <Azelphur> neuro: that said, my dad wants a 6". His eyesight isn't great and he feels he'd work much better with a larger screen
[03:47] <Azelphur> personal preference strikes again :P
[03:47] <ali1234> http://www.jollatides.com/2014/03/13/prototype-other-half-keyboard-demo/
[03:47] <Azelphur> ali1234: nice :o
[03:47] <neuro> god that's ugly
[03:47] <neuro> and yet another thing to break
[03:48] <ali1234> it's ugly cos it's 3d printed
[03:48] <neuro> i mean in general design
[03:48] <Azelphur> ali1234: I've always wished someone would make something like that for the Nexus 5, that's really cool
[03:48] <neuro> look at the size of the keys!!!
[03:48] <neuro> the keys on the display are bigger than the ones they're meant to be replaced by
[03:48] <ali1234> see i told you to get jolla :)
[03:48] <Azelphur> grumble
[03:48] <ali1234> the keyboard is quite obviously from another phone
[03:48] <ali1234> it's a prototype, jeez
[03:48] <Azelphur> yea, it looks like a droid keyboard
[03:49] <ali1234> the point is anyone can make their own keyboard, or other things
[03:49] <neuro> again, sorry, as much as i respect hardware hackers, i prefer my phone to actually work all of the time without rooting, jailbreaking, hacking, grafting, printing, soldering ...
[03:49] <neuro> oh and lightning cable ... *drool*
[03:49] <ali1234> it's fully supported
[03:50] <neuro> DOES. NOT. MATTER. WHICH. WAY. IT. GETS. PLUGGED. IN!
[03:50] <ali1234> it's designed for companies to make addons
[03:50] <neuro> i have fingerprinty unlockness
[03:50] <neuro> i have tethery goodness
[03:50] <neuro> i have camera awesomeness
[03:50] <neuro> i have app coolness
[03:50] <neuro> and i have portable telephoneness
[03:50] <neuro> <- happy camper
[03:51] <ali1234> http://jolla.com/the-other-half-developer-kit <- specs
[03:55] <Azelphur> indeed, looks fancy
[04:00] <neuro> email from 10 mins ago ... "Thank you for your order. Your order has now been despatched via 'UPS Delivery' and should be with you shortly."
[04:00] <neuro> order was delivered 15 hrs ago
[05:47] <mapps> yo
[06:10] <mapp> sheesh
[06:11] <mapp> Anyone awake?
[06:12] <jussi> mapp: vaguely
[06:13] <mapp> :D
[06:13] <mapp> just feeling sad
[06:13] <mapp> my friend mentioned my mum tonight;/
[06:14] <jussi> :(
[06:41] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:57] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:52] <diplo> Morning all
[08:56] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[09:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> Blimey - This is some serious bit coining mining: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/meet-the-manic-miner-who-wants-to-mint-10-of-all-new-bitcoins/
[09:08] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: lets do it, steal alanbells pi's and we'll be set
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> Pile of Pis
[09:10] <jussi> !pie-#ubuntu-offtopic
[09:10] <diplo> What has happened to the Pile of Pi's, not heard anything ref that recently
[09:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> They are sitting in a rack in our office
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> building packages
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> ?
[09:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not yet - they are not paowered up right now.
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ARteM3rEi4w/UzPrSLseNuI/AAAAAAAAO4M/e0M57nz6igY/w669-h893-no/20140327_091105.jpg
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: shiny ethernet cables :)
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> or wait
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> those are USB power cables
[09:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - the ones at the front are USB for power
[09:19] <diplo> Nice, looks good
[09:19] <diplo> When do you expect to make a start on it ?
[09:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dunno. Better ask the other alan - who isn't around right now.
[09:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Lol: https://plus.google.com/104060033182234025482/posts/cqbuQKfL6rD
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: those are targeted, you know :P
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> Big Data is never wrong
[09:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> I was worried that might be the case
[09:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Spanish Paella Day! :-D
[09:36] <jussi> JamesTait: oh, I totally forgot, I need to inform you that this week is international Doula week!
[09:37] <JamesTait> International what now?
[09:37] <jussi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doula
[09:38] <JamesTait> Interesting!
[09:38] <jussi> http://www.worlddoulaweek.com/
[09:38] <jussi> JamesTait: why do I know this? My wife is a doula... :D
[09:39] <JamesTait> In my head, that sounds like dueller for some reason. :-P
[09:40] <jussi> its more like Doh-la
[09:40] <jussi> doh! :P
[09:46] <bashrc> nice
[10:04] <foobarry> how can i avoid windows from blatting my mbr?
[10:04] <foobarry> besides installing it first...i did install first but windows is blue screening on boot
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: by not re-installing it
[10:04] <foobarry> its for vsphere client
[10:05] <jussi> foobarry: I dont think you can, just have a ubuntu usb on hand to repair it later
[10:05] <foobarry> then run supergrub?
[10:05] <jussi> !grub
[10:05] <foobarry> sweet
[10:05] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:05] <foobarry> windows got killed by gpt issues
[10:11] <bigcalm> GEC Plessey Telecommunications?
[10:11] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: Now there's a name I haven't heard in years: GPT. When I were a lad in field service for Gandalf, I used to maintain lots of PACX for GPT all over the UK.
[10:45] <MooDoo> my friend used to work for GPT when it was in beeston notts
[10:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Went to Beeston a few times. They had R&D places all over the south cost and west country mainly.
[10:46] <bigcalm> My father worked for GEC -> GPT -> Marconi Communications -> Lord Simpson bought too much stuff and fudged it for everybody -> "early retirement"
[10:47] <brobostigon> beeston, as in nottingham?
[10:47] <foobarry> how do i know what files will be delivered by a git pull?
[10:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> The old joke in our office was "'Plessy Havant got a PACX' get in your car lordy" ;-)
[10:47] <MooDoo> brobostigon: that's the one
[10:48] <brobostigon> MooDoo: a friend of mines works at nottingham uni, an infrasctructure manager.
[10:48] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: long nosed pliers are still called 81s in our house
[10:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> ?
[10:49] <MooDoo> brobostigon: whats his name?
[10:49] <bigcalm> 81 was the code for a particular make/model of long nosed pliers
[10:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[10:50] <bigcalm> Within GEC/GPT
[10:50] <MooDoo> brobostigon: not darren is it?
[10:50] <bigcalm> My father used to install telephone exchanges in his 20s
[10:51] <bigcalm> And 30s come to think of it
[10:52] <brobostigon> MooDoo: edward
[10:53] <BigRedS__> foobarry: I think there's a --no-merge option; AFAIK there's no built-in way to find out. You could note down your current commit, though, and check that out if you get stuff you don't want
[10:55] <bigcalm> What I do is use git log -1 to find out the current commit number. Then go to gitlab and compare commits
[10:59] <BigRedS> Ah, that makes me feel better about plumping for gitlab :)
[11:00] <BigRedS> but, yeah, every time I *need* to defer to the web ui to do something I perceive it as a failing in Git. Some of the things that're non-trivial are a bit weird
[11:04] <Laney> Couldn't you git fetch; git diff --stat FETCH_HEAD?
[11:10] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:13] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 how are you this fine day?
[11:14] <davmor2> JamesTait: I hate Paella Spanish or otherwise
[11:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: Good thanks, you?
[11:15] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah ok thanks, little bit of #manflu, but ok :D
[11:17] <jussi> damn, I had forgotten how good Mr Cash is :D
[11:18] <jussi> fantastic, just fantastic! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aF9AJm0RFc
[11:20] <foobarry> i did a git pull
[11:20] <jussi> foobarry: did he scream? :P
[11:20] <foobarry> my problem was that git status showed local changes (naughty person)
[11:22] <JamesTait> davmor2, don't be such a spoil sport. ;)
[11:23] <JamesTait> davmor2, you're not going to be like this on the plane are you? "Eugh, I don't like that! Can I have a special meal?" :-P
[11:26] <davmor2> JamesTait: No I'm just not keen on fish and seafood so a rice dish that is primarily seafood not fun :)
[11:26] <foobarry> carlton from fresh prince is narrating this veeam video
[11:26] <JamesTait> davmor2, I'll let you off. ;)
[11:26] <foobarry> http://www.veeam.com/university/backup_and_replication_deployment.swf
[11:47] <SirMarky> Hello - just found this group, haven't been a big IRC user before.  Just saying "Hi!"
[11:48] <brobostigon> welcome SirMarky
[11:54] <bigcalm> Hello :)
[11:54] <MooDoo> SirMarky: greetings :D
[12:01] <davmor2> SirMarky: ow do
[12:15] <directhex> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvWGLcdI8o8
[12:25] <MartijnVdS> directhex: release date: april 1
[12:26] <directhex> MartijnVdS, yes!
[12:26] <directhex> april goat's day!
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturevideo/10726111/Goat-Simulator-Official-Launch-Trailer-is-this-the-greatest-video-game-of-all-time.html
[12:56] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: wow
[12:58] <bigcalm> Is it an April Fool's joke?
[13:00] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I'm working on the assumption that it is.
[13:00] <MooDoo> wtf?
[13:01] <bigcalm> As you can't pre-order, I'm guessing it is
[13:02] <bigcalm> Looks like they had fun with garry's mod
[13:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goat_Simulator
[13:31] <bigcalm> In git, is there a way to find out when a string 1st appeared in a commit?
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: look for "pickaxe" searches (git log -S)
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5816134/git-finding-a-commit-that-introduced-a-string
[13:34] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: eventually found what I was looking for with gitlab and a lot of scrolling. But will keep that in mind for next time :)
[14:03] <dwatkins> http://www.redbubble.com/people/justin/works/4019382-i-broke-the-build - t-shirt
[14:06] <daftykins> :>
[14:15] <dwatkins> I may have recently bought several t-shirts from redbubble including this one: http://www.redbubble.com/people/samuriferret/works/11709980-1980-something-rebel-fighter
[14:15] <dwatkins> well, the one with the Millenium Falcon, anyway
[14:24] <neuro> this is still one of my favourite t-shirts: http://shirtoid.com/21518/chewie-and-han/
[14:24] <neuro> albeit mine is not blue
[14:25] <daftykins> nice C&H style :D
[14:26] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/v6xnnado0vkqm7p/IMG_20140327_142239.jpg
[14:32] <dwatkins> neuro: I have one of those in red
[14:33] <dwatkins> I like their Mega Man / Tron crossover t-shirt, too
[14:33] <daftykins> it's almost tempting but i'm not a star wars fan
[14:34] <dwatkins> What's not to love about Star Wars? ;)
[14:35] <daftykins> the hype is roughly 100 powers greater than the product itself
[15:22] <shauno> just got an electricity bill for €12,030.  not sure whether to frame it or leave the country.
[15:22] <MartijnVdS> Why not both?
[15:23] <Myrtti> for how much? how many cryptocurrency miners are you running in your basement?
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> Plantations?
[15:23] <daftykins> shauno: d'aww can you scan it/ take a pic? :)
[15:23] <shauno> lol!
[15:25] <shauno> ooh that helps, 1203 not 12030.  something's still up :/
[15:31] <mapp> er
[15:31] <mapp> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2590546/McStupid-Norwegian-teen-McDonalds-dinner-receipt-tattooed-ARM-dare-causing-mother-breakdown.html
[15:31] <mapp> lol
[15:33] <MartijnVdS> the Faily Fail
[16:08] <foobarry> windows is installing update 53 of 160.
[16:08] <foobarry> "why don't you go home, i'll be a while"
[16:09] <mapp> lo
[16:09] <mapp> l
[16:19] <dwatkins> Windows' update mechanism seems to be the worst way to enforce OS updates.
[16:19] <dwatkins> Perhaps it's changed in Windows 8, in fairness.
[16:23] <foobarry> my son loves star wars and doesn't even know what it is . just knows that he loves it
[16:30] <daftykins> dwatkins: how-so?
[16:42] <foobarry> can i change boot.ini to load a linux partition?
[16:46] <popey> yes, i think so, chain load
[16:47] <daftykins> definitely heard that's do-able yeah
[17:01] <dwatkins> daftykins: I believe Windows 8 installs patches at boot-time now instead
[17:03] <directhex> ...boot.ini?
[17:04] <directhex> you really shouldn't still be running an NT5-series OS
[17:04] <dwatkins> technically, yes: http://bkpavan.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/how-to-boot-linux-using-windows-bootloader-xp/
[17:04] <dwatkins> I'd trust that boot option about as far as I could throw my PC, though.
[17:04] <foobarry> directhex: sorry, dunno the name of the file in win7
[17:05] <directhex> foobarry, there isn't one
[17:05] <foobarry> or how can i blat it from a live cd
[17:05] <directhex> foobarry, you use the "bcdedit" command to edit the boot records embedded in the partition
[17:05] <directhex> dwatkins, i used to do that to boot BeOS from the Win2K boot loader
[17:06] <dwatkins> aww, BeOS :)
[17:07] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/271jdkyyvs43x9b/lappy.wav
[17:07] <daftykins> this WD5000BEVT is one odd sounding disk
[17:12] <diddledan> lol @ windows startup chime in the middle
[17:14] <daftykins> :D
[17:14] <diddledan> and bah @ itunes adding that file to my music library
[17:15] <daftykins> _itunes_!?
[17:15] <daftykins> ugh
[17:20] <neuro> wav files? ugh! :)
[17:24] <daftykins> neuro: what would you rather?
[17:24] <daftykins> :)
[17:24] <bigcalm> Sounds like the disk is scraping on the draw
[17:24] <daftykins> draw 0o
[17:24] <neuro> flac?
[17:24] <neuro> aiff?
[17:24] <neuro> mp4?
[17:24] <bigcalm> draw, slot, case
[17:24] <daftykins> oh don't be ridiculous
[17:24] <bigcalm> Whatever is inside
[17:25] <daftykins> it was the default some little android sound recorder prog made ;)
[17:25] <neuro> you're ughing an apple app while using what is effectively a microsoft audio format :)
[17:25] <neuro> (i know it's not, but ipso facto etc)
[17:25] <daftykins> i think there's infinitely more weight behind ughing iTunes
[17:25] <neuro> just because you personally don't like it
[17:27] <daftykins> neuro you're in danger of dragging humour into serious territory, let's let it go now
[17:27] <neuro> you started it ;)
[17:28] <daftykins> anyway, glad that's not any HDD i own
[17:28] <daftykins> not that i'd have mechanical in a lappy :D
[17:28] <daftykins> nor own a 15" acer for that matter 0o
[17:31] <neuro> microsoft are kicking off a ton of stuff
[17:32] <neuro> Office for touch today on iOS, also coming to Windows and "other platforms"
[17:32] <bigcalm> OneNote is now available on all platforms bar linux
[17:32] <bigcalm> Meh
[17:32] <neuro> Windows Azure is now Microsoft Azure
[17:33] <neuro> that's an interesting change in and of itself
[17:34] <neuro> and amazon slashed EC2 and S3 pricing yesterday too
[17:34] <neuro> fun times
[17:35] <neuro> well, they announced it yesterday, takes effect from tuesday
[17:41] <diddledan> ooh, ec2 resudctionc?
[17:41] <diddledan> erm
[17:41] <diddledan> reductions**
[17:42] <diddledan> I have no idea what my fingers where thinking there
[17:42] <neuro> haha
[17:42] <neuro> yeah, check their blog
[17:43] <neuro> 10-40% reductions on c1/m1
[17:43] <neuro> 30% on m3
[17:43] <neuro> and so on
[17:44] <neuro> ah here it is
[17:44] <neuro> http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2014/03/aws-price-reduction-42-ec2-s3-rds-elasticache-and-elastic-mapreduce.html
[17:50] <diddledan> using a "cloud" is starting to become a no-brainer over dedicated hardware
[17:50] <diddledan> I pay hetzner 80€ ish per month for a single machine which if it dies I have to get a replacement for
[17:50] <neuro> i've been talking about this with my boss
[17:50] <diddledan> the hardware vendors are all clamouring to convince companies to "build your own cloud"
[17:50] <diddledan> and software at that
[17:50] <neuro> you have to weigh up performance versus scale and speed of deployment
[17:50] <diddledan> yeah
[17:51] <neuro> yeah, let's buy a few mid range servers from ovh, for example
[17:51] <diddledan> take vmware insisting that you use vmware to build a cloud
[17:51] <neuro> but when one of them dies on their arse, your time to scale back to same performance level is in hours, probably more like days, rather than minutes
[17:52] <neuro> well building a private cloud out of vmware bits would probably work
[17:52] <diddledan> if you had enough scale in having dozens of servers then you could rebalance but a "few" servers you can't
[17:52] <neuro> s/well/well,/
[17:52] <neuro> but yeah, that's it
[17:53] <neuro> if you're running at datacentre sized private cloud scale, losing a physical host is nothing
[17:53] <neuro> especially if you're using vmotion-like shipping off to an active host thingy
[17:53] <neuro> but when you have like 3 servers with several VMs on each, losing one host is catastrophic
[17:54] <neuro> swings and roundabouts to be honest
[17:54] <neuro> i do like being able to blast compute requests at real hardware without worrying about lack of performance or blowing through an IOPS bundle limit
[17:54] <diddledan> at work we have 10 dedicated server units but they're pretty much full-up to the point that if one of them dies we have to do a lot of juggling to fine-tune where each vm goes
[17:57] <neuro> right, i'm off to try to explain to my mother why I gave myself a buzzcut this morning
[17:57] <neuro> i basically look like this now: http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTQ4MjQ3NDYyMF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwNTI2ODU3._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg
[17:58] <diddledan> oh dear
[17:58] <neuro> last rebellious thing i'll do in my thirties most likely
[17:58] <diddledan> :-o
[17:58] <diddledan> noooooooooo
[17:58] <neuro> then i'll turn 40 on sunday and regret the hell out of doing it by monday
[17:58] <diddledan> lol
[17:58] <neuro> luckily i have a healthy supply of new era MLB caps
[17:59] <neuro> SF Giants 2010 World Series commemorative today
[17:59] <neuro> which is nice
[18:45] <celesteh> hello, I set the wrong parameters for my display card, so now the screen is black when I start up. I've gotten it to boot into recovery mode. What do I do now to solve the problem?
[18:46] <daftykins> what steps did you take to set these 'parameters' ?
[18:46] <daftykins> edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> or move it aside
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> that's usually the easiest fix
[18:46] <celesteh> I used the system settings application
[18:47] <celesteh> It looked *fine* and then when i accepted the parameters, it was suddenly not fine
[18:47] <daftykins> so... picking resolution?
[18:47] <davmor2> celesteh: what graphics card do you have
[18:47] <celesteh> sandybridge
[18:48] <davmor2> celesteh: on a laptop or desktop?
[18:48] <celesteh> laptop
[18:48] <davmor2> celesteh: try turning the brightness up
[18:50] <celesteh> if that turns out to be the problem, i'm going to be releived and feel stupid all at once.  I have to reboot to test this.
[18:50] <davmor2> celesteh: sometimes for some reason the brightness is dropped to 0 so as soon as the system take over.
[18:51] <celesteh> ok, will check it out.  back in a few minutes. thanks for your help
[18:53] <Blueeyez> hi
[18:53] <MooDoo> evening all
[18:53] <Blueeyez> Is ubuntu-uk.org down or?
[18:53] <MooDoo> seems to be for me
[18:54] <Blueeyez> but ubuntu-uk is still active?
[18:54] <MooDoo> it's pingable
[18:55] <Blueeyez> ill check on it later :-) Doing an update on a danish ubuntu site :)
[18:55] <MooDoo> :D
[18:56] <popey> yeah, the server is a bit ill
[18:56] <celesteh> ok, the problem with my monitor being dark is not brightness.  It's just got the wrong settings.
[18:56] <celesteh> How can I reset it to the default from recovery mode?
[18:57] <daftykins> celesteh: was it the resolution you were changing within system settings? or installing a driver?
[18:59] <celesteh> I was plugging in an external display and trying to set it to mirror the main display. I was in a hurry, so I probably pressed the wrong thing in regards to refresh or resolution. I was not installing a driver.
[19:00] <celesteh> The screen is black outside of recovery mode whether to external screen is plugged in or not....
[19:00] <celesteh> s/to/the
[19:00] <daftykins> at the recovery prompt can you check if you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
[19:01] <daftykins> i have a sneaking feeling the desktop settings stuff may be separate 0o
[19:01] <celesteh> ls: cannot access /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory
[19:01] <daftykins> ok - sounds like it is then
[19:01] <popey> Blueeyez: site is back
[19:01] <celesteh> if i boot into recovery mode, the graphics work (but are slightly off) if i carry on botting from there
[19:03] <celesteh> is this suggestions something that might work or would it cause problems to test it? apt-get install nvidia-current --reinstall
[19:04] <daftykins> depends if earlier when you said you were changing mirror mode, you were doing so in nvidia-settings rather than system settings
[19:04] <daftykins> which is it? :)
[19:04] <celesteh> system settings.  is there a way to restore that to default?
[19:05] <daftykins> so http://i.stack.imgur.com/XN5c1.png ?
[19:05] <celesteh> yep, but in xfce
[19:06] <celesteh> right now, my system is set to skip the login screen and boot to a particular suer account.  if i turn that off and boot to a loging prompt instead, will it still pick up the wrong settings if I loging as someone else?
[19:06] <celesteh> s/suer/user
[19:07] <daftykins> is there a ~/.config/monitors.xml ?
[19:07] <celesteh> s/loging/login
[19:09] <celesteh> there is for my main account, but not for the account that was logged in when i caused the problem
[19:10] <celesteh> i've got to go away and grab a sandwich. i bet i wouldn't have buggered this if i'd had lunch... :(
[19:15] <ali1234> xfce does not use monitors.xml
[19:18] <ali1234> reset xfce monitor settings to default using this command:
[19:18] <ali1234> xfconf-query -c displays  -r -R -p /
[19:20] <celesteh> Thank you! I will give that a go!
[19:21] <ali1234> also the monitors tool in xfce is a bit buggy if you have multiple outputs
[19:22] <ali1234> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10717
[19:22] <celesteh> ah, so if i configure it in gnome, will it stick around after a reboot?
[19:22] <ali1234> only in gnome
[19:24] <celesteh> ok, so right now i'm in my main account, in recovery mode running gnome.  if I put that line into the startup items and reboot into my xfce user, would that possibly fix it?
[19:24] <celesteh> not the mirroring displays part, but the screen being black part
[19:25] <daftykins> 'main account' - you need to run it as the conflicted user
[19:27] <celesteh> ok
[19:27] <celesteh> ok, rebooting. brb  thanks very much for your help.
[19:35] <celesteh> Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you!!
[19:37] <celesteh> daftykins, lubotu3, and ali1234, you folks are awesome and have saved my bacon. I cannot thank you enough.
[19:53] <daftykins> it was aaaaall ali
[21:10] <smittix> o/
[21:11] <neuro> doo de doo de doo
[21:11] <neuro> well, my mum didn't kill me
[21:12] <neuro> "it's your head, you can do what you like to it", she said, stifling a giggle I'm sure
[21:12] <smittix> What did you do?
[21:12] <neuro> no 1 cut all over
[21:12] <neuro> i look like Van Zan out of Reign of Fire now
[21:12] <neuro> http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTQ4MjQ3NDYyMF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwNTI2ODU3._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg
[21:13] <smittix> Your talking to a guy with who has a hair cut with a razor.
[21:14] <smittix> Welcome to the club heh
[21:14] <neuro> i used a pair of clippers
[21:14] <neuro> i'm pretty sure i'll never do it again
[21:14] <smittix> ha
[21:14] <neuro> last rebellious act of my thirties etc etc etc
[21:14] <neuro> my head is cold
[21:14] <smittix> I've had a shaved head since I was 18
[21:14] <smittix> You get used to the cold.
[21:15] <neuro> well i'm not bald shaved
[21:15] <smittix> I can remember it feeling strange though. I used to have a #1 all over.
[21:15] <neuro> luckily i wear caps a lot
[21:15] <smittix> I still say caps are to blame for my hair thinning so early.
[21:15] <neuro> my latest purchases:
[21:15] <neuro> http://www.neweracap.co.uk/established-champ-classic-san-francisco-giants-39thirty-prod10917769/
[21:16] <neuro> http://www.neweracap.co.uk/basic-san-francisco-giants-9forty-prod10917824/
[21:17] <smittix> I like the red one.
[21:17] <neuro> looks cracking in real life
[21:18] <smittix> The only cap I own now is a Fedora baseball cap. lol
[21:20] <neuro> caps don't seem to thin my hair
[21:20] <neuro> what does is having long hair
[21:21] <neuro> tried that in my early 20s, trying to be a grunge type
[21:21] <neuro> found out i was getting a bald spot
[21:21] <neuro> EMERGENCY SHORT BACK AND SIDES, STAT!
[21:22] <smittix> haha
[21:23] <smittix> Bah, battery is going down too quick on this laptop
[21:23] <neuro> POWAAAAAH
[21:24] <smittix> I'm sure it's the bloody Nvidia optimus
[21:24] <smittix> It's gone down 7% in 10 minutes.
[21:51] <bigcalm> smittix: only use nvidia when you want POWER. intel is a nice battery saver
[21:53] <daftykins> hrmm, i can't 'passwd username' to change a user's pass in a trusty VM
[21:53] <daftykins> am i being stupid? (hint: highly likely)
[21:54] <daftykins> i enter a new pass then get "passwd: Authentication token manipulation error"
[21:57] <daftykins> haha, read only filesystem *slaps forehead*
[21:57] <daftykins> idiot.
[21:58]  * daftykins dons the dunce cap
[21:58] <neuro> oopsies
[21:59] <daftykins> neuro: are you really nearly 40?
[21:59] <daftykins> :>
[22:00] <neuro> on sunday
[22:00] <neuro> thanks man
[22:00] <neuro> the reminders just keep on comin :)
[22:00] <daftykins> <3
[22:00] <daftykins> i turned 29 last month :<
[22:02] <shauno> turning 30 was horrible.  I can't imagine reaching 40
[22:02] <neuro> it's no big deal really
[22:02] <daftykins> hehe
[22:02] <neuro> when you get to this age it's like, meh, it's a number
[22:02] <neuro> turning 20 was like woooooo awesome
[22:02] <neuro> turning 30 was like hmmm getting older, but being in your thirties is cooool man
[22:03] <daftykins> how :(
[22:04] <neuro> turning 40 is like ... crap, really should get that pension sorted out, have i cleared out the garage today, where did i put those bin bags, aw man, my mortgage is going up by £1.50 a month, why are merrill lynch sending me a cheque, where did i put that bottle of water to put in the bedroom, oh good, i put that reminder in my calendar to get the tyres done on the car ...
[22:04] <shauno> exactly.  you're a grown-up now!  muaha
[22:05] <neuro> daftykins: you're too young to remember thirtysomething on the tv
[22:05] <neuro> shauno: those are all genuine things that have run through my head this week
[22:05] <daftykins> lol
[22:05] <daftykins> they sound more like life than a given age
[22:05] <neuro> buzzcutting my hair is my last rebel yell
[22:06] <neuro> after sunday it's indicative of mid life crisis
[22:06] <shauno> 20 was pretty meh for me.  I was living in the states at the time, so they'd decided I was no longer old enough to drink
[22:06] <smittix> bigcalm: I'm happy with the Intel, I'm just not sure whether its working properly. I have installed bumblebee
[22:06] <neuro> shauno: ha ha fail
[22:06] <daftykins> mine: did i feed the cat? hmm do i get a new chain for the bike... why do kids today have such massive hair?
[22:06] <neuro> "kids today"
[22:06] <neuro> *that* is the danger zone
[22:06] <daftykins> ;D
[22:06] <daftykins> danger zooooone
[22:07] <neuro> WHY ARE WE NOT DOING PHRASING?!
[22:07] <neuro> you said danger zooooone
[22:07] <neuro> i made an archer joke
[22:07] <neuro> sorry
[22:09] <daftykins> :) i was thinking along the same lines
[22:09] <daftykins> i nearly said 'just the tip'
[22:09] <neuro> lol
[22:09] <daftykins> but of course we're family friendly
[22:09] <neuro> Lana.
[22:09] <neuro> Lana!
[22:09] <neuro> LANA!
[22:09] <neuro> LAANNAAAAAAAAAAA!
[22:09] <neuro> WHAT?!?
[22:09] <neuro> ... danger zooone.
[22:10] <daftykins> 8)
[22:10] <neuro> oh actually
[22:10] <neuro> http://youtu.be/k3-zaTr6OUo?t=35s
[22:10] <neuro> hehe
[22:10] <daftykins> i've been thoroughly disappointed by Archer Vice
[22:10] <neuro> seriously?
[22:10] <neuro> i'm loving it