[00:00] yay, it's officially pay day! (for me) === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:08] ;] [00:08] yay [00:08] lol thats so stupud how did that happen neuro [03:00] ali1234: hey, you alive? [03:00] sure [03:00] ali1234: got a couple random questions about netbooting, figured you'd have all the answers [03:01] maybe [03:01] 1) Can I set my router (openwrt) up so that I netboot from a machine in the network that isn't the router?, 2) I'm thinking it would be cool to set up some kind of system where I can just throw a ISO in a folder and have it automatically available for netboot, is something like this possible? [03:01] I've noticed pxe has some iso options, so I could probably just automatically generate the config file [03:01] yes [03:01] sweet :) [03:01] why wouldn't you? [03:02] well because in all the googling I've done, nobody seems to be doing it like that for some reason [03:02] crazy awake people at 3am ... [03:02] how else would they do it? [03:02] i don't understand what the router has got to do with it? [03:02] ali1234: it seems like most people extract the ISO and serve it direct from a folder, and only do one operating system, the few multiboot setups I've seen do the same [03:03] you "netboot" grub and it does the rest [03:03] oh, I wasn't sure if I could have the netboot server be the machine that isn't the DHCP server [03:03] sure [03:03] which is why I mentioned [03:03] can be anything running tftp [03:03] or whatever [03:03] fun [03:04] I shall play with this some more I suppose, then :) [03:05] you don't even need the router to do the initial dhcp request [03:05] oh? [03:05] you can have multiple dhcp servers on a network [03:05] really? I thought that broke the universe? [03:05] no [03:06] as long as you configure them so they don't step on each other's toes [03:06] not if they're configured correctly [03:06] I see [03:06] istr that pxe dhcp requests are "different" somehow [03:06] so they won't pick up an IP from a "normal" server [03:06] ah [03:06] so if your second dhcp server only serves pxe requests, there will be no conflict [03:06] i'm not 100% sure about this though [03:07] and if my first server doesn't serve pxe requests, I assume [03:07] yes [03:07] anyway, I'll try and take the easiest route to success, as this is all learning curve for me [03:07] well, no [03:07] your first server could answer the pxe request with an ip allocation but if it doesn't also specify the PXE boot files, the cliet will just ignore it [03:07] i think, anyway [03:07] ah :P [03:07] sounds like things are getting unnecessarily complicated :) [03:08] indeed, hehe [03:08] yeah if you have openwrt just use that [03:08] ali1234: well, I'd require additional hardware, plus I have a home server, I figure it's better to have all the ISOs (And scripts for generating menu configs) on there. [03:08] if you had some stupid manufacturer firmware it might be harder [03:08] the router has no mass storage :) [03:08] sure but you can put the tftp server elsewhere [03:08] you don't need the storage on the router [03:09] oh, I see [03:09] next-server 192.168.whatever.whatever; [03:09] my suggestion to you is "try it" [03:09] filename "pxelinux.0"; [03:09] boom [03:09] and watch what happens with tcpdump/wireshark [03:09] I am, been reading a lot of stuff and trying some things :P [03:10] yes, "next-server" [03:10] if the PXE gets a response that does not have a "next-server" then it should just ignore it [03:11] i once had a computer that could only pxe boot from a novell netware server [03:11] so, TFTP in this case is serving the ISOs right? A lot of stuff mentions NFS, is that just for stuff that requires it's own storage space for writing (eg running a OS, rather than just the installer) [03:11] it didn't use tftp at all [03:11] that was weird [03:12] probably used ncp [03:12] NFS is when you want to remote mount a writable filesystem [03:12] neuro: yup, that was it [03:12] yup, thought so [03:12] ah netware [03:12] my old nemesis [03:12] Azelphur: tftp is for like, the kernel and initrd [03:12] netware was good for the time [03:13] when you only had DOS and windows 3.1 [03:13] it "just worked" [03:13] well [03:13] that and your nic drivers [03:13] which is more than you can say for NT 3.whatever [03:13] and the netware client stuff [03:14] ali1234: and pxelinux, where does that fit in? [03:14] Azelphur: that's the bootloader, like grub [03:14] ah [03:15] maybe displays a menu to choose OS [03:15] so I shouldn't be using that, if I want to use GRUB to boot ISOs? [03:15] yeah [03:15] um [03:15] huh? [03:15] pxelinux is part of isolinux collection of utils [03:15] why would you even ... [03:16] you should use pxelinux instead of grub, it's probaby easier [03:16] it does the same thing [03:16] yeah [03:16] exactly [03:16] ali1234: righto, yea, I've seen some documentation for using ISOs with it too, I will stick with it. [03:16] starting to understand what everything does now \o/ [03:16] you set your pxelinux.cfg to use a kernel and the iso to boot from [03:16] no point in using grub [03:17] sorry, i'm being grumpy [03:17] i need a cigarette [03:17] but i have none [03:17] hehe [03:18] the smoker's lament [03:18] pxe booting an iso is slow if you don't have gigabit btw [03:18] it copies the whole thing afaik [03:19] that's fine, my whole network is gigabit [03:19] I even have some 802.11ac bits in here, my network is pretty modern \o/ [03:20] obviously irrelevant to pxe, just showing off xD [03:20] oooooOOOOooooooh [03:20] *handbag* [03:20] haha [03:20] neuro: and proper, Intel open source driver 802.11ac too! [03:20] * neuro is mainly GigE (apart from a holdout 100 meg switch under my desk) and 802.11n (APPLE!) [03:21] open source wifi drivers concern me not :) [03:21] no linux desktop installs do i have [03:21] speaking like yoda for some reason, i am [03:22] neuro: pfft, I don't even own any non-linux machines any more [03:22] meh [03:22] Desktop (Xubuntu 13.10) TV is powered by Xubuntu 13.10 and XBMC, Laptop is Xubuntu 13.10, Phone and tablet are both Android. [03:23] i still don't buy the "android is linux" thing [03:23] it has a linux kernel and core, big woop [03:23] so does my TV :) [03:24] neuro: I've done fairly Linuxy things with it, on my old phone I'd dive into /proc/ and change the brightness lower than the UI allowed so I could read at night on it ;) [03:24] by /proc I of course mean /dev >.< [03:24] and I've chrooted Ubuntu on pretty much all my devices [03:25] you've what? [03:25] you can install Ubuntu in a chroot and VNC into localhost to get at it. [03:25] i know what a chroot is [03:26] it was more a wtf "what" than an i don't understand "what" [03:26] :) [03:26] neuro: yea, you can do that on Android, so I've had the full desktop version of Ubuntu on an Android device like that [03:26] y u do dis? [03:26] it's the only way, afaik? [03:26] * neuro boggles [03:26] yeah but why would you even want that? [03:26] just because, i guess :) [03:26] ali1234: admittedly it was entirely useless, but it was fun to try. [03:27] hackers don't always need reasons [03:27] hehe [03:27] although I haven't tried it on newer devices, I think it'd be cool to plug HDMI out in and have a full desktop running like that on a large monitor. [03:27] I reckon the newer devices with quad core processors would run it reasonably fast [03:27] back when I did it on my HTC Desire Z it was only a single core 800mhz (overclocked to 1.7) so it was fairly slow [03:28] sure as long as you didn't load up firefox or open office [03:28] haha [03:28] or, you know, try to use it [03:28] at all [03:28] yeah basically [03:28] xD [03:28] no gcc [03:28] god, can you imagine compiling a kernel? :) [03:28] i've done it [03:28] have you guys seen nemomobile? that's really got my attention at the moment [03:28] it took forever [03:29] Azelphur: go buy a jolla then [03:29] it's the same core [03:29] ali1234: but NemoMobile will run native on Nexus devices [03:29] i have not seen nemomobile, no [03:29] so will jolla then, if you port it [03:29] *sailfish [03:29] but then again i'm not a mobile hacky person [03:29] so i don't keep up [03:29] neuro: it looks really interesting, fully open source, runs wayland, has android app compatibility [03:29] i didn't realise people were still futzing around with meego-based stuff [03:30] ali1234: I saw sailfish but I didn't approve as it has closed source elements, nemomobile is basically sailfish without the proprietary bits. [03:30] neuro: jolla is meego [03:30] see? [03:30] told you i don't keep up [03:30] to be honest, i want my phone to Just Work [03:30] Azelphur: yes, exactly [03:30] hence, iphone [03:30] the android layer in sailfish is proprietary btw [03:30] * neuro hugs his iphone [03:30] really? that's odd, I thought the jvm thing was open source [03:31] i have not heard about it being available in nemo [03:31] * neuro hugs his other iphone [03:31] guess you can't have everything [03:31] * neuro hugs his additional iphone [03:31] maybe they have a different, free implementation (in which case it probably sucks) [03:31] * Azelphur stabs neuro 3 times, once for every iphone [03:31] i really need to get rid of some of these phones [03:32] i have a 4 from 2010, a 4S from 2011 and a 5s I bought myself a fortnight-ish ago [03:32] it still interests me anyway, it's definitely sounding like a step up from Android. [03:32] why le stab? [03:32] lots of potential there [03:32] i'll let you know when i get mine [03:32] ali1234: cool [03:32] that reminds me [03:33] ali1234: I don't like the jolla, specs are weak, price is high [03:33] nexus is much better value for money hardware wise and is likely to get the OS ported to it in the first 5 minutes [03:33] yeah but it's nokia quality [03:34] Nexus 5 seems pretty decent quality to me, I've had no issues with it [03:34] is it still LG> [03:34] because i heard it's plastic trash [03:35] yea, it's essentially a slightly lower specced version of LGs flagship, the G2 [03:35] which is the current highest specced device in the phone arena, iirc [03:35] i doubt that [03:36] isn't that the SGS4? [03:36] no way, the S4 is far weaker, the S4 is pretty old now [03:37] the S5 is due in a few days, that'll beat the G2 [03:37] "beat" ... [03:37] the S4 is only 10 months old, btw [03:37] neuro: in terms of raw processing power :P [03:37] the S4 has 8 cores... [03:37] who needs "raw processing power" on a frickin' phone? [03:37] ali1234: no, it has two four core processors, and one of them is wimpy. [03:37] same memory [03:38] better GPU [03:38] quad core? [03:38] it's a power saving feature, not a performance one [03:38] you sure? [03:38] oops, 8 core i mean [03:38] ali1234: Quad-core 1.6 GHz Cortex-A15 & quad-core 1.2 GHz Cortex-A7 [03:38] the A7 being wimpy, and the A15 being crucified by the 2.3ghz krait 400 in the Nexus 5 [03:39] i must be missing the point here [03:39] THESE ARE TELEPHONES [03:39] you don't need to tell me, i know [03:39] neuro: nope, they are full computers that happen to be able to make phone calls. [03:39] wrong attitude ;) [03:40] if I wanted a portable computer, I would have a laptop or a tablet [03:40] OH WAIT, I DO [03:40] they are not full computers. they do not have 24" screen, keyboard & mouse [03:40] neuro: so do I, there are places laptops and tablets can't go, however ;) [03:40] I want my portable telephone to be a portable telephone first and foremost [03:40] which means I want the battery to last as long as possible [03:40] they do not have intel i7 processor and nvidia GTX780 [03:40] because it is a portable telephone [03:41] they do not have 32GB of ram [03:41] neuro: each to his own, I use my phone as a computer regularly [03:41] they don't have 4TB of storage [03:41] and if my portable telephone has a quad core ridiculous thingamabob which eats power, it will be less useful to me as a portable telephone [03:41] +1 [03:41] ali1234: true, but then neither do most laptops, the smaller you go the lower the hardware [03:41] battery life is the most important feature on a phone [03:41] neuro: personal preference [03:41] the fact that my portable telephone can also do apps and the like is a welcome bonus [03:41] I solve battery life by carring a 10k mAh battery in my coat pocket, it'll do me for around 5 days. [03:42] the fact also that i am on an unlimited data plan should show that i'm not exactly being a luddite here [03:42] i use my phone for totally different things than my computer [03:42] that's not SOLVING BATTERY LIFE [03:42] i use my phone to make phone calls, check email, and look at a map [03:42] works for me ;) [03:42] i do not need quad core for that [03:42] i only use my phone when i am outside my house [03:42] * neuro points at his iPhone 5s [03:42] dual core, baby [03:42] fast as hell [03:42] iphone sucks man [03:42] yeah yeah [03:43] i am still using SGS1 with 512mb and single core [03:43] ali1234: I use mine for everything, all of what you said, I hdmi out and use playstation controllers, play games on it, SSH, mumble, steam, xbmc, etc etc... [03:43] basically, I can use my phone for almost anything I'd use a desktop for. [03:43] yes but why would you want to? [03:43] because it's far more portable [03:43] i'll just leave this sitting here ... https://www.dropbox.com/s/ehtkd9zs5k08h5o/Photo%2027-03-2014%2003%2036%2027.png [03:43] when i go outside my house i talk to people and do things [03:43] i don't go on irc on my phone [03:44] ali1234: I'm an introvert, when I go outside...I avoid people ;) [03:44] STOP IT [03:44] haha [03:45] i understand and agree that it's each to their own [03:45] indeed, it is :) [03:45] I don't hate on people who only want a Nokia 3210. [03:45] i just don't see the point in quad core 5.5" screen stupid monster phones running crap OSes [03:45] neuro: 5.5" screen makes typing so much easier. [03:45] quite happy with my dual core 64bit 4" display awesomeness [03:45] although I miss the days we had slider keyboards [03:45] stop typing stuff on your phone [03:45] xD [03:45] i can type just peachy on the iphone form factor [03:46] I have a laptop too you know, and a tablet [03:46] bigger displays confuse me [03:46] they all have their place, I use them all regularly [03:46] not tablety enough [03:46] also 5.5" screen is not one-handable [03:46] the jolla phone has replaceable backs that can add features such as a hardware keyboard btw [03:46] unless you're a mega hand person or something [03:46] neuro: yea, 5.5" is a bit big for a phone, nexus 5 is a 5" and about as large as I'd like [03:46] if you've got a 3d printer you could even build your own [03:46] 5" screen is too much for me too [03:47] 4" screen is just perfick for me [03:47] neuro: that said, my dad wants a 6". His eyesight isn't great and he feels he'd work much better with a larger screen [03:47] personal preference strikes again :P [03:47] http://www.jollatides.com/2014/03/13/prototype-other-half-keyboard-demo/ [03:47] ali1234: nice :o [03:47] god that's ugly [03:47] and yet another thing to break [03:48] it's ugly cos it's 3d printed [03:48] i mean in general design [03:48] ali1234: I've always wished someone would make something like that for the Nexus 5, that's really cool [03:48] look at the size of the keys!!! [03:48] the keys on the display are bigger than the ones they're meant to be replaced by [03:48] see i told you to get jolla :) [03:48] grumble [03:48] the keyboard is quite obviously from another phone [03:48] it's a prototype, jeez [03:48] yea, it looks like a droid keyboard [03:49] the point is anyone can make their own keyboard, or other things [03:49] again, sorry, as much as i respect hardware hackers, i prefer my phone to actually work all of the time without rooting, jailbreaking, hacking, grafting, printing, soldering ... [03:49] oh and lightning cable ... *drool* [03:49] it's fully supported [03:50] DOES. NOT. MATTER. WHICH. WAY. IT. GETS. PLUGGED. IN! [03:50] it's designed for companies to make addons [03:50] i have fingerprinty unlockness [03:50] i have tethery goodness [03:50] i have camera awesomeness [03:50] i have app coolness [03:50] and i have portable telephoneness [03:50] <- happy camper [03:51] http://jolla.com/the-other-half-developer-kit <- specs [03:55] indeed, looks fancy [04:00] email from 10 mins ago ... "Thank you for your order. Your order has now been despatched via 'UPS Delivery' and should be with you shortly." [04:00] order was delivered 15 hrs ago [05:47] yo [06:10] sheesh [06:11] Anyone awake? [06:12] mapp: vaguely [06:13] :D [06:13] just feeling sad [06:13] my friend mentioned my mum tonight;/ [06:14] :( [06:41] hello all [07:57] hello all === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [08:52] Morning all [08:56] morning diplo === map is now known as Guest20838 === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:04] Blimey - This is some serious bit coining mining: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/meet-the-manic-miner-who-wants-to-mint-10-of-all-new-bitcoins/ [09:08] TheOpenSourcerer: lets do it, steal alanbells pi's and we'll be set [09:09] Pile of Pis [09:10] !pie-#ubuntu-offtopic [09:10] PIE PIE PIE, mmm PI PI PI http://ikanobori.jp/storage/pi_e.jpg or http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3663/3358637054_9f756a3615.jpg [09:10] What has happened to the Pile of Pi's, not heard anything ref that recently [09:10] They are sitting in a rack in our office [09:10] building packages [09:10] ? [09:11] Not yet - they are not paowered up right now. [09:15] https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ARteM3rEi4w/UzPrSLseNuI/AAAAAAAAO4M/e0M57nz6igY/w669-h893-no/20140327_091105.jpg [09:17] TheOpenSourcerer: shiny ethernet cables :) [09:17] or wait [09:17] those are USB power cables [09:17] Yeah - the ones at the front are USB for power [09:19] Nice, looks good [09:19] When do you expect to make a start on it ? [09:20] Dunno. Better ask the other alan - who isn't around right now. [09:27] Lol: https://plus.google.com/104060033182234025482/posts/cqbuQKfL6rD [09:30] TheOpenSourcerer: those are targeted, you know :P [09:30] Big Data is never wrong [09:30] I was worried that might be the case [09:35] Good morning all; happy Spanish Paella Day! :-D [09:36] JamesTait: oh, I totally forgot, I need to inform you that this week is international Doula week! [09:37] International what now? [09:37] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doula [09:38] Interesting! [09:38] http://www.worlddoulaweek.com/ [09:38] JamesTait: why do I know this? My wife is a doula... :D [09:39] In my head, that sounds like dueller for some reason. :-P [09:40] its more like Doh-la [09:40] doh! :P [09:46] nice [10:04] how can i avoid windows from blatting my mbr? === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === funkyHat_ is now known as funkyHat [10:04] besides installing it first...i did install first but windows is blue screening on boot [10:04] foobarry: by not re-installing it [10:04] its for vsphere client [10:05] foobarry: I dont think you can, just have a ubuntu usb on hand to repair it later [10:05] then run supergrub? [10:05] !grub [10:05] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [10:05] sweet [10:05] Good morning peeps :) [10:05] windows got killed by gpt issues [10:11] GEC Plessey Telecommunications? [10:11] morning boys and girls. === funkyHat_ is now known as funkyHat [10:42] bigcalm: Now there's a name I haven't heard in years: GPT. When I were a lad in field service for Gandalf, I used to maintain lots of PACX for GPT all over the UK. [10:45] my friend used to work for GPT when it was in beeston notts [10:46] Went to Beeston a few times. They had R&D places all over the south cost and west country mainly. [10:46] My father worked for GEC -> GPT -> Marconi Communications -> Lord Simpson bought too much stuff and fudged it for everybody -> "early retirement" [10:47] beeston, as in nottingham? [10:47] how do i know what files will be delivered by a git pull? [10:47] The old joke in our office was "'Plessy Havant got a PACX' get in your car lordy" ;-) [10:47] brobostigon: that's the one [10:48] MooDoo: a friend of mines works at nottingham uni, an infrasctructure manager. [10:48] TheOpenSourcerer: long nosed pliers are still called 81s in our house [10:49] ? [10:49] brobostigon: whats his name? [10:49] 81 was the code for a particular make/model of long nosed pliers [10:49] lol [10:50] Within GEC/GPT [10:50] brobostigon: not darren is it? [10:50] My father used to install telephone exchanges in his 20s === BigRedS is now known as BigRedS__ [10:51] And 30s come to think of it === BigRedS_ is now known as BigRedS [10:52] MooDoo: edward [10:53] foobarry: I think there's a --no-merge option; AFAIK there's no built-in way to find out. You could note down your current commit, though, and check that out if you get stuff you don't want [10:55] What I do is use git log -1 to find out the current commit number. Then go to gitlab and compare commits [10:59] Ah, that makes me feel better about plumping for gitlab :) [11:00] but, yeah, every time I *need* to defer to the web ui to do something I perceive it as a failing in Git. Some of the things that're non-trivial are a bit weird [11:04] Couldn't you git fetch; git diff --stat FETCH_HEAD? [11:10] Morning all [11:13] morning davmor2 how are you this fine day? [11:14] JamesTait: I hate Paella Spanish or otherwise [11:14] MooDoo: Good thanks, you? [11:15] davmor2: yeah ok thanks, little bit of #manflu, but ok :D [11:17] damn, I had forgotten how good Mr Cash is :D [11:18] fantastic, just fantastic! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aF9AJm0RFc [11:20] i did a git pull [11:20] foobarry: did he scream? :P [11:20] my problem was that git status showed local changes (naughty person) [11:22] davmor2, don't be such a spoil sport. ;) [11:23] davmor2, you're not going to be like this on the plane are you? "Eugh, I don't like that! Can I have a special meal?" :-P [11:26]