[05:48] <Spekko> Maaz: Coffee on
[05:48]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[05:52] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Spekko!
[06:09] <Squirm> morning
[06:21] <Trixar_za> Morning Squirm
[06:21] <Trixar_za> Anybody know Peppermint? :P
[06:21] <Squirm> hey Trixar_za 
[06:22] <Squirm> Trixar_za: you could probably by something Peppermint flavoured in the shop
[06:22] <Squirm> they should be open by now
[06:22] <Trixar_za> lol
[06:22] <Trixar_za> I meant the Linux distribution - it's somewhat based on Mint, but smaller
[06:22] <Trixar_za> hence the name
[06:26] <Trixar_za> My bad, it's based on Lubuntu :P
[06:27] <Trixar_za> Peppermint OS was initially conceived at the Black Rose Pub in Hendersonville, NC (North Carolina), USA during a night of drinking and discussion about the future of desktop Linux. Peppermint was originally designed to be a social media-centric distribution.
[06:27] <Trixar_za> I think that's a sign I should drink with other Linux users
[06:57] <Kilos> hi superfly  jabberwocky93  Spekko  and others
[06:58] <superfly> morning Kilos
[07:00] <jabberwocky93> goodmorning Kilos :)
[07:01] <Spekko> Morning Kilos
[07:22] <Kilos> hi bduk1  waar is mazal?
[07:23] <bduk1> More almal. Ek sal hom vra Kilos 
[07:24] <bduk1> Hy se hy is terug by een of ander windowzzzz chat room
[07:25] <Kilos> eish
[07:25] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[07:25] <mazal> Hallo oom
[07:25] <Kilos> jy stout ne
[07:25] <mazal> Hoe so ?
[07:26] <Kilos> wel ons moet jou herinner om hiernatoe te kom
[07:26] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  
[07:26] <mazal> So bietjie besing daar in die dark side oom :P
[07:27] <Kilos> ya op windows chat kamers
[07:27] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:27] <mazal> hehehehe
[07:27] <Kilos> verraierer
[07:27] <mazal> Baie oom van voor af te leer
[07:27] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos 
[07:28] <mazal> Werk nou 2 OS'e , moes maar. Het geen keuse nie
[07:29] <bduk1> Dit gebeur as win lekkerder en meer games het as linux
[07:33] <Kilos> ai!
[07:34] <mazal> En PS3 era tot 'n einde kom
[07:39] <Kilos> haha
[07:40] <mazal> Sal dalk oorgaan SteamOS toe wanneer dit uitkom , sal eers moet sien hoe goed dit is
[07:40] <Kilos> wat van steam op ubuntu
[07:40] <Kilos> neelsie doen dit
[07:41] <mazal> Linux het nie goeie games nie
[07:41] <Kilos> is daar nog nie genoeg op steam nie
[07:41] <mazal> Steam loop sharp , maar die games keuse is baie klein. Al die major goete soek windows
[07:41] <Kilos> hi Golynx  
[07:41] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[08:01] <inetpro> good morning
[08:02] <inetpro> Kilos: you should talk to @alanknottcraig on twitter
[08:02] <inetpro> he has the money to give you free wifi
[08:02] <Golynx> hi inetpro
[08:02] <Golynx> @alanknottcraig is still recovering from a stroke
[08:03] <Golynx> but hope to soon give new life to cell c
[08:03] <inetpro> Golynx: no this is junior
[08:03] <inetpro> see: https://twitter.com/alanknottcraig/status/448751205330976768
[08:04] <inetpro> the mxit guy
[08:04] <Golynx> inetpro: you talking about the free wifi for like 250MB limit a day
[08:04] <Golynx> yeah him
[08:05] <Golynx> great idea, we all need free internet in some places
[08:05] <Golynx> if only my wifi can reach that far lol
[08:12] <Kilos> hmm... sorry was letting sheep out
[08:12] <Golynx> yeah Kilos can get the free wifi, its more setup there 
[08:12] <Golynx> in Pretoria i mean
[08:13] <Kilos> will check it out inetpro  ty
[08:14] <Kilos> inetpro  how is he going to setup wifi here?
[08:15] <Golynx> me and charl were talking about it last week i think
[08:15] <Kilos> charl and i
[08:18] <Golynx> so what is the verskil van die difference lol
[08:22] <Golynx> hmm seems i'm becoming an annoying pain in the side here
[08:28] <Golynx> okay i'll better shut up.
[08:28] <Kilos> its the right way to say him and i\
[08:28] <Kilos> correct english
[08:28] <Kilos> no man Golynx  im just helping you
[08:29] <Kilos> normally the fly does it but he seems over busy
[08:30] <Golynx> hmm, why is correct grammer so important in a non business kind of environment
[08:31] <Golynx> i expect such things in places that you absolutely have to use it
[08:32] <Golynx> not in a free irc environment
[08:40] <Golynx> Speaking about grammer. I don't see many using caps when they start a sentence here. :-|
[08:42] <Golynx> So Kilos, can you make this strict grammer issue a topic for the next meeting please. thanks.
[08:42] <Kilos> lol
[08:43] <Kilos> ok ill leave you to do your bit
[08:44] <Kilos> nope irc is normally without caps
[08:45] <Kilos> look at the long time users no caps in nicks even
[08:45] <Golynx> and irc is normally not so grammatically dictative either
[08:45] <Kilos> im sorry for trying to help
[08:46] <Golynx> its not your fault Kilos. Maybe the fly forget to take off his work glasses sometimes.
[08:47] <Kilos> its just some peeps are afrikaans or other nationalities and it became habit to help them
[08:48] <Kilos> you will see even the pro gets helped now and again
[08:48] <Kilos> they gave up on me
[08:50] <Golynx> certainly yes, but to be so politically extreme in how a sentence must be structured is really wrong in my view.
[08:50] <inetpro> Uh! Is it Friday yet?
[08:50] <Golynx> aslong as others can make sense of it , it should be allowed and not lead to a kick or ban
[08:50] <inetpro> Het julle geen werk om te doen nie?
[08:51] <Kilos> hehe
[08:51] <Kilos> thursday inetpro  only today to get through
[08:52] <Kilos> Golynx  you like arguing hey! are you a scorpio
[08:53] <mazal> inetpro, I wish
[08:53] <Kilos> inetpro  did you look at the seed place
[08:54] <Kilos> interesting about the gm foods
[08:54]  * inetpro is too broke, can't even pay attention
[08:54] <Golynx> Kilos nope, i am a Gemini.
[08:55] <Kilos> hi Trixar  
[08:55] <Trixar> Hey Kilos
[08:56] <Trixar> Talking from Peppermint now
[09:03] <Kilos> lol you becoming a distro hopper like neelsie
[09:03] <Golynx> Hello Trixar
[09:04] <Trixar> Hey Golynx
[09:04] <Trixar> Btw
[09:04] <Trixar> You GOT to play First-Person Tetris
[09:04] <Trixar> :P
[09:05] <Trixar> http://www.firstpersontetris.com/
[09:05] <Trixar> It's actually a 'web app' that comes with Peppermint - it has a program called ICE which makes creating them very easy
[09:07] <Golynx> I played this before but on another platform. Its similar to Breakout 3D.
[09:08] <Golynx> I dont like flash games though. The same can be done with HTML5
[09:08] <mazal> Just tried it Trixar , now my head is spinning worse :P
[09:08] <Golynx> but its cool :)
[09:10] <Trixar> It's not what you think - the screen shifts around when you turn the block
[09:10] <Trixar> Which makes it way harder
[09:12] <Golynx> lol, thats awesome
[09:13] <Trixar> And I think I found what I was looking for. This just works.
[09:18] <Trixar> Looks good too :P
[09:19] <Kilos> hi Xethron  
[09:30] <Trixar> I have to say - I'm liking this
[10:38] <Kilos> wbb
[11:14] <jabberwocky93> first person tetris is one strange way of playing, I keep tilting my head
[11:53] <Rynomster> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ZA/windows/which-operating-system
[11:53] <Rynomster> rofl, running ubuntu, but that site reckons im running windoze 8.1
[12:10] <superfly> Rynomster: yeah, me too
[17:38] <charl_> good evening
[17:39] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[17:39]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:43] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[17:43] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[17:43] <Maaz> charl_: No problem
[18:01] <Kilos> evening everyone
[18:05] <Kilos> nuvolari: ping
[18:08] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[18:12] <Kilos> hi charl_ Golynx 
[18:13] <charl_> hi Golynx 
[18:13] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[18:13] <Golynx> hi charl
[18:16] <kbmonkey> evening all 0/
[18:17] <charl_> hi kbmonkey 
[18:17] <kbmonkey> hello charl_ 
[18:17] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos 
[18:17] <kbmonkey> hello Golynx 
[18:18] <Golynx> I dont understand the real perpose of this credit card sized computer :-/ http://raspberrypi.org
[18:18] <Golynx> hi kbmonkey
[18:18] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[18:18] <charl_> how's it going with you all
[18:19] <charl_> Golynx: it's a template for embedded devices
[18:19] <Kilos> im ok ty
[18:19] <kbmonkey> fine fine
[18:19] <charl_> Golynx: use it for xbmc, for narrowcasting (digital signage), etc
[18:19] <charl_> built-in HDMI
[18:20] <charl_> mount it at the back of the screen
[18:20] <charl_> use it for customised security systems.... etc etc
[18:20] <charl_> to name a few possible applications
[18:20] <Kilos> have you all gotlinux user numbers
[18:20] <Golynx> charl: i mean the hardware is like pentium 2 speed
[18:21] <Golynx> i've seen people do some crazy stuff with that thing 
[18:21] <Golynx> yeah charl as you mentioned aswell 
[18:21] <Golynx> a guy from london connected 64 of them and made a super computer lol
[18:24] <Golynx> i would make a robot that do housework with that :p
[18:25] <Golynx> Kilos, what do you mean
[18:27] <kbmonkey> the Beowulf cluster? *drools*
[18:27] <kbmonkey> Kilos, I think I have
[18:27] <Kilos> Golynx  lemme see if i can find the link
[18:27] <Kilos> i read they have changed something there
[18:28] <Kilos> Maaz  google where to register as a linux user
[18:28] <Maaz> Kilos: "LinuxQuestions.org" http://www.linuxquestions.org/ :: "LinuxQuestions.org - where Linux users come for help" http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ :: "[SOLVED] Not in the sudoers file. Incident reported...where? (Page ..." https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1396503 :: "Register - Linux Certifications Overview | Linux Professional Institute ..."
[18:28] <Maaz> https://cs.lpi.org/caf/Xamman/register :: "Linux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http…
[18:28] <Kilos> ai!
[18:28] <Kilos> inetpro  help
[18:28] <kbmonkey> no Maaz you suck at googling
[18:29] <kbmonkey> linuxcounter.net
[18:29] <Kilos> im 510724
[18:29] <Kilos> ya ty kbmonkey  
[18:29] <Kilos> i forgot what it was called
[18:32] <Kilos> i dunno where all the peeps are. im sure canonical sent out over 1 mill cds
[18:32] <kbmonkey> http://linuxcounter.net/user/549038.html
[18:33] <kbmonkey> there's mine
[18:34] <Kilos> Golynx  register there so we can see how far the counter has got
[18:35] <Kilos> i have 2 because i lost one so registered again
[18:35] <Kilos> 533697
[18:35] <kbmonkey> Kilos, xD
[18:36] <Kilos> i lose lots when drives crash
[18:36] <Kilos> like today
[18:36] <Kilos> when i went 64bit i removed xp on the first 20g of this 500g 
[18:36] <kbmonkey> 121261 users
[18:36] <Kilos> i remember now why the xp was there
[18:37] <kbmonkey> and why was that?
[18:37] <Kilos> no man thats less than when we registered
[18:37] <kbmonkey> that is on the front page
[18:37] <Kilos> to use up the beginning of the drive that has some probs
[18:38] <kbmonkey> LOL
[18:38] <Kilos> you havent missed one number?
[18:38] <kbmonkey> using xp as a digital doorstop!
[18:38] <Kilos> lol ya
[18:39] <kbmonkey> ai Kilos you don't have any machines registered on linuxcounter
[18:40] <Kilos> oh my
[18:40] <Kilos> where i got the numbers then
[18:41] <Kilos> ok was on old pcs
[18:42] <kbmonkey> ah
[18:45] <Kilos> so have they lost all the old peeps
[18:45] <charl_> Golynx: it has a gpu though
[18:45] <charl_> Golynx: so it can handle 1080p fine
[18:45] <Kilos> charl  whats you number
[18:46] <charl_> numbers?
[18:46] <charl_> sorry but i don't just give my phone number out on irc ...
[18:46] <kbmonkey> lol
[18:46] <charl_> i'm not a privacy freak but that's going a little far
[18:46] <kbmonkey> charl_, Kilos meant your linuxcounter.net number (if you have one)
[18:46] <charl_> what is that, i don't even know what it is
[18:46] <Kilos> ya
[18:46] <charl_> lemme check it out
[18:46] <kbmonkey> it's just a registry of linux users
[18:46] <Kilos> ai!
[18:47] <charl_> what's the point ?
[18:47] <charl_> ooh yuck a scrolling news ticker thing at the top
[18:47] <charl_> i thought that starved in the 90s
[18:47] <kbmonkey> we like to be categorized, catalogued and labelled
[18:47] <charl_> you go join the new world order then :)
[18:47] <charl_> (just kidding)
[18:48]  * kbmonkey replaces tongue in cheek with a banana
[18:48] <charl_> take a film of it and upload it on a porn site :)
[18:49] <Golynx> charl_ : okay cool , yeah its awesome
[18:49] <Golynx> Kilos , i regiatered 566548
[18:49] <Golynx> registered*
[18:50] <kbmonkey> I dunno, it's old 90's feel is nostaligic and charming, if a bit ugly 
[18:50] <kbmonkey> nostalgic*
[18:51] <Kilos> kbmonkey  it tells me i have 1 machine registered
[18:51] <kbmonkey> maybe it is set to not show publicly
[18:52] <Kilos> they have rebuilt it or something charl_  
[18:52] <Kilos> oh my more settings
[18:53] <Kilos> kbmonkey  it tells me there are over 70mill
[18:54] <Kilos> you gotta login to see more i think
[18:54] <kbmonkey> yes, estimated, not neccesarily registered there
[18:54] <Kilos> oh didnt look so good
[18:56] <Golynx> what is the point of linuxcounter.net , other then to log linux machines
[18:58] <kbmonkey> that is the point Golynx. the site says it started "for fun"
[18:59] <Golynx> kbmonkey: oh okay
[18:59] <kbmonkey> when it started there was nothing like social networks of today
[19:00] <Golynx> i thought it would automatically detect the linux machine :-/ 
[19:00] <Kilos> what is the architecture of a pc or cpu?
[19:00] <kbmonkey> so other than mailing lists and irc people had min idea of number of users
[19:01] <Golynx> ah , so that was back in the MS_DOS days
[19:01] <kbmonkey> 32/64-bit
[19:01] <kbmonkey> dos days? hah, not that far back!
[19:01] <Kilos> oh ty
[19:01] <Golynx> lol jk :p
[19:02] <kbmonkey> *woosh* xD
[19:03] <Kilos> ok and what is the hostname of this machine
[19:03] <Kilos> linux has been going a long time
[19:03] <Kilos> unix it wa
[19:03] <Kilos> was
[19:04] <Kilos> only for servers and hackers back then i think
[19:08] <kbmonkey> `hostname`
[19:09] <kbmonkey> the linux kernel was written in 1992
[19:09] <kbmonkey> if I recall correctly...
[19:09] <Kilos> and unix?
[19:09] <kbmonkey> unix in the 80's
[19:09] <Kilos> and dos
[19:09] <kbmonkey> but unix was proprietary and closed source, for big institutions mostly and mainframes
[19:12] <Kilos> now i done my bit for the counter. 2 machines registered
[19:13] <Kilos> golynx save that number inna safe place
[19:13] <kbmonkey> :)
[19:13] <Kilos> maybe one day you will be classed as one of the old timers with that number
[19:13] <kbmonkey> haha
[19:15] <Golynx> Kilos lol , just like 466664 XD
[19:16] <Kilos> eish
[19:16] <Golynx> but the actual machine will be long gone by then
[19:17] <Kilos> yeah i hope this one too
[19:17] <Kilos> actually no, just different cpu
[19:17] <Golynx> and Linux, would've taken over the world and space travel :)
[19:18] <Kilos> i actually wonder if they use ms software on space vehicles
[19:18] <kbmonkey> hahaha ha ha. hah. no.
[19:18] <Kilos> very brave if they do
[19:18] <kbmonkey> they actually use a custo linux kernel, and they also use python :)
[19:18] <Kilos> cool
[19:19] <Kilos> and nasa?
[19:19] <kbmonkey> but the onboard microcontrollers are programmer with a custom assembly language
[19:19] <Kilos> they must be win peeps
[19:21] <Golynx> kbmonkey: thats true
[19:23] <kbmonkey> not sure about their mission control or non mission-critical pc's
[19:23] <Golynx> space got so much high intensity radiation that can kill a microchip. Its amazing those machines are still running on Mars and other places
[19:23] <kbmonkey> I read about them long long ago, I forgot most of it. was very interesting
[19:27] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[19:27] <Kilos> night superfly  inetpro  
[19:27] <Kilos> hehe
[19:27] <inetpro> goeie nag oom
[19:27] <Golynx> night Kilos
[19:27] <superfly> night ki<tab>
[19:28] <inetpro> skelm!
[19:29] <kbmonkey> hehe
[19:29] <Golynx> superfly is webapp2 better than flask, since i'm going to use app engine for my app's backend
[19:29] <superfly> WebApp2 is a pain in the butt
[19:30] <superfly> we use App Engine at work, and I cry almost every time I have to use WebApp2
[19:30] <Golynx> ah , i tough so thanks
[19:30] <Golynx> thought*
[19:30] <superfly> so much boilerplate, so much overhead
[19:30] <superfly> even Pyramid's kitchen sink is not as bad
[19:30] <Golynx> lol
[19:32] <Golynx> its strange , App Engine started with python, but WebApp2 sucks so much
[19:34] <superfly> Golynx: If you think WebApp2 sucks, don't try Java...
[19:35] <charl_> i haven't done any app engine development in years, but what's the deal with webapp2?
[19:36] <Golynx> hahaha, since i read some of the first reviews for Java on App Engine i never even thought of making an app for it lol
[19:37] <Golynx> Java on App Engine sucked from the start and is the worst of them 
[19:38] <Golynx> charl_ : i wanted to make a python web app with WebApp2 , but i'm getting bad vibes from all over about it
[19:39] <kbmonkey> loving Python, but only done local stuff with it, no web based apps.
[19:39] <kbmonkey> mostly with pygame, the SDL wrapper for games
[19:40] <Golynx> kbmonkey: i started python with pygames too lol
[19:41] <Golynx> from this site http://inventwithpython.com
[19:41] <kbmonkey> cool, have any of them around still Golynx ?
[19:41] <kbmonkey> I try enter in game compos as practice
[19:41] <kbmonkey> that is a good site that
[19:43] <Golynx> yeah, i started with the first pdf book tutorial and moved on to the second one. The third one is about encryption and stuff, but i'm not into that
[19:45] <Golynx> i got 3 still,  i had 26 games i made when i was on windows, but the move to linux i lost most of my data
[19:45] <kbmonkey> oh no :(
[19:45] <kbmonkey> that is a pity
[19:45] <Golynx> yeah its sad :(
[19:45] <kbmonkey> I have an ongoing rpg roguelike game.
[19:46] <Golynx> i cant seem to get pygame working with python 3+ in ubuntu 
[19:46] <Golynx> it only works with python 2.7
[19:46] <kbmonkey> yes, pygame for 3 is not official yet
[19:47] <Golynx> oh okay
[19:47] <Golynx> nice, RPG games are awesome
[19:47] <kbmonkey> http://keyboardmonkey.co.za/alive/
[19:48] <kbmonkey> maybe once the engine is done I will commission some artwork. 
[19:48] <kbmonkey> my pixel art is atrocious :p
[19:52] <Golynx> thats cool, i like the old arcade style :)
[19:54] <kbmonkey> ta :)
[20:12] <superfly> kbmonkey: now that I've been scanned, what do I do?
[20:14] <kbmonkey> superfly, I need to make more levels! whoops.
[20:14] <superfly> ah :-D
[20:14] <kbmonkey> also, I think the game starts at level 6, and not level 1 ;P
[20:15] <kbmonkey> that was my bad on that commit
[20:15] <Golynx> kbmonkey: can i pull the game from github, and play around with it a bit :)
[20:16] <kbmonkey> go for it Golynx !
[20:17] <kbmonkey> oh no it does start from level 1, but there is only 7 levels so far
[20:18] <Golynx> kbmonkey: thanks :)
[20:43] <Golynx> kbmonkey: the game has alot of code though. It could be more efficient. But i'm sure you will smooth out the rough edges. Great game concept though :)
[20:45] <kbmonkey> thanks Golynx. it does have a lot doesn't it, heh.
[20:47] <kbmonkey> I used a mvc model there, so the code grows laterally, meaning adding to it does not get harder. 
[20:48] <kbmonkey> anyway, the first serious python project I started, no doubt I'd do some things different now.
[20:50] <Golynx> the mvc style is good in some cases
[20:53] <Golynx> yeah , once you get the project to near completion, its easier to see where the improvements can be made
[20:56] <Golynx> your on the right track, so the game will turn out great
[20:57] <Golynx> good night all o/
[20:57] <kbmonkey> gn Golynx 
[20:57] <kbmonkey> thanks
[20:57] <Golynx> yw
[20:57] <kbmonkey> also think it is bed time -.-
[21:22] <charl_> good night all