[02:08] <lovely_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7160368/
[02:08] <lovely_> xrandr issues
[02:08] <Unit193> !crosspost | lovely_
[02:25] <delt> Hello
[02:26] <delt> my system can't boot from my usb stick :(
[02:26] <holstein> delt: your system you installed to the usb stick? or a live installation stick?
[02:26] <delt> i wrote the iso file to it with dd if=isofile of=/dev/....
[02:27] <holstein> delt: what i do it, i test on other hardware, to make sure the USB stick is capable..
[02:27] <delt> actually it's a cheap sd card reader with a sd card in it....
[02:27] <delt> might that be the problem?
[02:28] <holstein> could be.. i would confirm that by trying it on another machine.. if 2 machines cant boot it, i might assume that
[02:28] <delt> cause afaik if it can contain the iso data.... and the bootable stuff is in the iso data....'
[02:28] <holstein> delt: doenst matter if the device is "bad" or incapable of being booted.. or not showing up to the computer at that time that it needs to be
[02:29] <delt> hmkay, here goes testing booting it on the laptop...
[02:29] <holstein> i would then try unetbootin to make the stick.. or try other sticks
[02:30] <delt> holstein: dd if=isofile.iso of=/dev/bootstick doesn't work normally?
[02:30] <holstein> delt: sure
[02:30] <holstein> delt: but, we are troubleshooting now, since that doesnt work
[02:31] <delt> ok, imma stay in this channel since this is a screen session hosted on my main server.... brb
[02:47] <delt> :(
[02:48] <delt> laptop is having difficulty at boot time with the usb stick .... stays stuck until i remove it, then boots from hdd
[02:48] <delt> ok, using a better sd card > usb reader now
[02:49] <delt> so, dd if=isofile.iso of=/dev/sd?? should create a bootable device, right?
[02:49] <holstein> delt: correct
[02:51] <delt> holstein: /dev/sdb1 or just /dev/sdb? ....ie the partition or the drive itself?
[02:52] <delt> that might have been the problem, i tried writing to the partition, assuming the BIOS would be able to read the partition table & such.......
[02:53] <holstein> d if=/path/to/your/isofile of=/your/usb/disk
[02:54] <holstein> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_Flash_Installation_Media#In_GNU.2FLinux
[02:55] <delt> ah ok, thanks
[02:56] <holstein> though, if you are unsure, use unetbootin... its easy, and runs on win/lin/osx
[02:58] <delt> anyway... it's writing now, should take a few minutes. so in the mean time, i'll check out this unetbotin
[02:59] <holstein> !info unetbootin
[03:01] <delt> problem is, the machine i'm trying to install to DOES NOT HAVE A CD/DVD READER. so i'm forced (for now) to use a USB bootable stick/memcard.
[03:01] <delt> hence the dd if=image.iso of=/dev/usbstick stuff....
[03:04] <delt> actually i was planning to use my old ide/pata reader with an adapter i bought (and the guy at the store told me it would work) .....except i come home and (1) find out the adapter is meant for older boards to run PATA drives, and (2) i call the store and the same guy tells me it should also work in the "reverse" direction ie. older drive on newer board. Does NOT.
[03:05] <delt> anyawy, dd is on its merry way of writing the .iso file to my usb stick/card.....
[03:06] <delt> except writing directly to the card (not a partition on the card) kind of seems to me like.... :/
[03:07] <delt> kind of like a book with no title, no front/cover page, that starts directly with "once upon a time...." at the upper left......
[03:08] <delt> oh and i also wish dd had a "progess bar" mode, cause there's no way of telling at how much % it's done in this particular case
[03:08] <delt> :( :(
[03:09] <delt> damn, good thing i have this laptop :/
[03:13] <DrPossum> Hey, whenever I do the dim/brighten hotkeys on my Aspire One, it does it, but it also brings up two copies of the display settings
[03:14] <DrPossum> This is also recent behavior
[03:16] <delt> holstein: also..do you recommend trying out 14.04 beta1?
[03:17] <delt> + if/when updates (ie. beta2) come in the future, will i have to reinstall?
[03:17] <delt> oh hello cfhowlett
[03:17] <delt> how are you?
[03:17] <cfhowlett> delt, greetings.  no idea on your query as I ONLY do released versions and ONLY LTS.  ask in #ubuntu+1
[03:19] <delt> ah ok.....
[03:19] <delt> btw where did my stuff in /tmp go??????
[03:19] <delt> :(
[03:20] <Unit193> You rebooted right?  It's gone.
[03:21] <cfhowlett> delt, /tmp does = /temporary ...
[03:22] <delt> yeah, that's what i thought.... :/
[03:38] <delt> ok, done writing, so here goes ....
[03:51] <delt> Success!! :D :D installing now.....
[03:53] <delt> ok, so if all goes well, i'll be back here, from my main desktop machine... !
[04:03] <holstein> delt: no reason not to try 14.04.. its just not officially supported here yet
[04:10] <delt> holstein: uh.. i just installed 14.04 :( .....any reason to erase and go back to 13.whatever?
[04:11] <holstein> delt: like i said, there is not a reason that i say you shouldnt be running 14.04 now. as long as you konw what it is
[04:11] <holstein> its not supported here
[04:12] <delt> will it be in the (mid to near) future?
[04:12] <holstein> delt: will what be what?
[04:13] <delt> will ubuntustudio 14.xx be supported "here" (as in, this channel?) in the near/mid/long term future?
[04:13] <cfhowlett> delt, ubuntustudio has its own channel
[04:13] <holstein> delt: ubuntustudio has its own channel.. #ubuntustudio.. but, 14.04 gets supported officially when its released
[04:13] <cfhowlett> delt, and NO trusty will be officially supported until officially released
[04:13] <holstein> !14.04 | delt
[04:14] <delt> ah ok thanks
[04:14] <holstein> delt: which, as you can read, will be quite soon! :)
[04:25] <delt> ahhh yeah!! my good old (kind of shitty) desktop screen!!!!! :D :D :D
[04:28] <delt> so um... gotta sort out some wires & stuff. brb
[05:02] <xubuntu760> hola
[05:09] <xubuntu127> hi all. wondering if it's a pain to get ZFS setup on xubuntu
[05:09] <Unit193> !zfs | This is my best guess, which isn't great.  There's also Btrfs.
[05:12] <xubuntu127> thanks... i found that page with some googling, wasn't sure if there were any xubuntu related issues
[05:13] <xubuntu127> currently running ubuntu, and considering changing over to xubuntu as i've read it has slightly less memory overhead
[05:14] <Unit193> Yeah, Xfce has less overhead than Unity, for sure.
[05:15] <xubuntu127> also hoping my problems with xorg consuming 100%+ of my CPU will go away with a different distro :)
[05:15] <delt> re
[05:16] <delt> problems mounting nfs volumes from the server :/
[05:16] <Unit193> Same distro, different flavor/DE.
[05:17] <delt> mount deimos:/ /net/deimos/
[05:17] <delt> results in "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on deimos:/," etc etc
[05:19] <delt> user@phobos:~$ cat /proc/filesystems | grep -i nfs
[05:19] <delt> nodev	nfs
[05:19] <delt> nodev	nfs4
[05:20] <Unit193> grep nfs /proc/filesystems || echo nope  gives me 'nope' :D
[05:21] <Unit193> delt: Sorry I can't help, my kernel doesn't have nfs and I haven't used it.
[05:23] <delt> holstein: advice needed -- do i reinstall with 13.10, or do i try to work around problems in 14.xx ?
[05:42] <arrith> delt: i'm in the same boat
[05:42] <arrith> delt: right now i'm sitting tight on a previous release and i'm going to wait i guess a month or two after 14.04 comes out
[05:43] <arrith> delt: assuming you can get things in a kind of workable-state
[05:43] <arrith> personally i have to do some weird incantations to keep my setup running, but's mostly working
[06:07] <one> The kern output is not printing.
[06:07] <one> printk is set there must be something else supressing it
[06:08] <one> What is the problem here that the debug output is not printing to console?
[06:11] <Unit193> !crosspost | one
[07:40] <GIMMEL> Wow that captha is tough
[07:40] <ash_m> I went to a linux chat room to ask for general guidance on re-installing xubuntu to a flash drive and I still ran into problems. At least I was able to adjust the size of the partitions upon install, but when I rebooted I got a "GRUB rescue" error message. Any ideas?
[07:40] <GIMMEL> First time xubuntu user and installing it as we speak :)
[07:40] <ash_m> It sucks because it works fine with a fresh USB drive.
[07:41] <ash_m> but /every time/ *without fail* I always run into problems when I try to reinstall
[07:41] <GIMMEL> have you tried downloading a rescue disk onto a usb stick?
[07:41] <ash_m> GIMMEL: honestly, I haven't tried anything yet; I just threw my hands up in the air and planted my face into a desk
[07:42] <GIMMEL> it's what I had to do when my win7 install succumbed to the (possibly) worst rootkit mankind has ever created
[07:42] <GIMMEL> hey who knows, that could work
[07:42] <GIMMEL> i thought linux was supposed to be ugly
[07:42] <ash_m> honestly, I just want to know what I did wrong. Where did I stray from the path? Is that so much to ask? :(
[07:43] <GIMMEL> KDE... *shrugs heavily*
[07:43] <GIMMEL> maybe grub just isnt for USB drives
[07:43]  * ash_m looks up KDE
[07:44] <GIMMEL> dont
[07:44] <ash_m> I thought KDE was like a ... what do you call it... the thing that boots up x
[07:44] <GIMMEL> you will feel sick
[07:45] <ash_m> the log in screen or whatever
[07:45] <Unit193> ash_m: How did you create the USB drive?  Is it perhaps pointing to the grub config on that drive, which is no longer inserted?
[07:45] <Unit193> ash_m: That's the DM, desktop manager, login manager, etc.
[07:45] <Unit193> (Xubuntu uses lightdm for the login.)
[07:46] <GIMMEL> http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/KDE-4-0-Beta-3-Available-Now-3.png (not for the faint of heart)
[07:46] <GIMMEL> it used to be even worse, all shiny and candy looking
[07:46] <ash_m> Unit193: yeah, that's what I was aiming for. However, wikipedia was telling me KDE is a community or something
[07:46] <GIMMEL> ah
[07:47] <Unit193> KDE is a desktop Env, like Xfce.
[07:47] <Unit193> !kde
[07:47] <GIMMEL> so you can do portable xubuntu installs?!
[07:47] <Unit193> GIMMEL: I'd do a live with persistence.
[07:47] <GIMMEL> ah
[07:47] <Unit193> !persistence
[07:47] <ash_m> there are so many things. desktop environment, desktop manager, login manager... this all have different names?
[07:47] <GIMMEL> the install just finished!
[07:48] <Unit193> GIMMEL: Congrats.
[07:48] <GIMMEL> anything i should do before rebooting?
[07:48] <GIMMEL> like to check if grub is there
[07:48] <Unit193> Should be good to go.
[07:48] <GIMMEL> okay! i'll trust you
[07:48] <GIMMEL> this better work.. or else.. :)
[07:48] <Unit193> Hopefully, normal BIOS install.
[07:48] <GIMMEL> be back in a bit
[07:49] <GIMMEL> oh one quick thing
[07:49] <GIMMEL> i installed with IDE set in bios
[07:49] <GIMMEL> do i need to change something for AHCI disks to boot
[07:49] <GIMMEL> (ssd)
[07:50] <ash_m> Unit193: to answer your question, the first time I installed xubuntu (13.10), it worked fine. I kinda screwed everything up so I figured I'd try to reinstall. I used a USB stick to install off of, and on to another USB stick......
[07:50] <Unit193> Well, that'd explain a few things.
[07:51] <GIMMEL> hahah, thats very meta
[07:51] <ash_m> for the reinstall, I booted from the USB stick with the installer using "try xubuntu" (I assume this is referred to as the "live" version?)
[07:52] <GIMMEL> yeah it is
[07:52] <ash_m> I used gparted to check to see that the USB stick I wanted to reinstall to was not mounted (as advised by some other people in a linux chat) and then deleted the partitions
[07:52] <GIMMEL> xubuntu just wants us to Live maan
[07:52] <ash_m> then I restarted and installed xubuntu to the flash drive I just cleared
[07:53] <GIMMEL> did you finally make it persistent
[07:53] <ash_m> it seemed to go off without a hitch until I rebooted without the installer USB stick and then I got an error with a prompt, "GRUB rescue>"
[07:53] <GIMMEL> oh..
[07:54] <ash_m> why did I have to update? whhhhyyyyy?
[07:54] <GIMMEL> http://askubuntu.com/questions/321302/xubuntu-live-usb-persistence-how-to
[07:54] <GIMMEL> looks legit
[07:55] <ash_m> isn't persistence for the live version?
[07:55] <GIMMEL> yeah isn't that what you want?
[07:55] <GIMMEL> your files will remain after a reboot
[07:55] <GIMMEL> oh wait
[07:55] <GIMMEL> you dont get root right
[07:56] <ash_m> GIMMEL: no, that's not what I was attempting to accomplish
[07:56] <ash_m> see, everything was fine when I installed to a fresh usb stick
[07:56] <GIMMEL> all right
[07:57] <ash_m> I used a program called LiLi to make an installer on a usb stick from the xubuntu-13.10 .iso file
[07:57] <ash_m> and used that installer to install xubuntu to a flash drive;
[07:57] <ash_m> a second flash drive
[07:58] <Unit193> Yes, but we're missing the 'why'.
[07:58] <GIMMEL> maybe this will help out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[07:59] <ash_m> whenever this is a fresh USB drive that I haven't tampered with, especially not installing an OS, this works fine, but alas; I am unable to reinstall correctly... not in the genes you see.
[07:59] <GIMMEL> i made my live usb stick in tinyxp
[07:59] <ash_m> the why? well I have several machines running off usb sticks.
[07:59] <GIMMEL> format it and give it another go
[07:59] <ash_m> usually people get upset when I give them a why any deeper then that
[08:00] <GIMMEL> did you install those usb drives the same way as just now?
[08:00] <GIMMEL> i mean if they work this should work
[08:00] <ash_m> it certainly looked the same
[08:00] <ash_m> I mean
[08:01] <ash_m> all the prompts were the same
[08:01] <ash_m> and it reached the end of it
[08:01] <GIMMEL> if you have a windows or mac machine it's very easy to do
[08:01] <ash_m> I assume I must be a complete idiot when it comes to common linux sense.
[08:02] <ash_m> GIMMEL: what is? reinstall? I agree.
[08:02] <GIMMEL> yeah
[08:02] <ash_m> but my question is, what is it that I do wrong?... I just don't get it. I feel like if I am going to do something wrong I should be mashing mindlessly on the keys
[08:02] <GIMMEL> okay im rebooting now, wish me luck. and i hope you get that install working!
[08:02] <ash_m> GOOD LUCK
[08:03] <GIMMEL> byee
[08:04] <ash_m> Unit193: so; like I was saying earlier, I used gparted to clear out the usb I wanted to reinstall onto... was that the wrong thing to do?
[08:04] <ax562> what's your experience with xubuntu themes?
[08:04] <ax562> does anyone know of stable/reliable themes?
[08:05] <ash_m> ax562: my experience is as follows: I am not certain what the difference is between a theme and a flavor. Does that help?
[08:05] <Unit193> Shimmer themes, or the one I'm using.
[08:05] <ash_m> ax562: I hear good things about mint
[08:05] <ash_m> or maybe just plentiful things
[08:05] <Unit193> ash_m: He's talking about themes, as in, settings manager -> appearance.
[08:05] <ash_m> Unit193: hah. just goes to show
[08:06] <ash_m> Unit193: any ideas on where I went wrong? Should I use gparted again (with the live version) and try to reinstall a second time?
[08:07] <Unit193> And pay attention where you're installing grub to.
[08:07] <ash_m> maybe it was the fact that I only used 1 big partition instead of ½-space for 1 and ¼-space for 2 others.
[08:08] <ax562> unit193: yes, appearence not flavor
[08:09] <ash_m> Unit193: I install through a gui; I felt like it was a pretty standard gui as regardless of which live disk creator I use or which version of xubuntu; they are all very similar: ask to download/install 3rd party software, ask about partitions, ask about timezone, Install
[08:09] <ax562> stock xfce 4.10 is horrid looking
[08:10] <ash_m> Unit193: in other words, I always assumed something like where grub is being installed is something the installer would take care of. I don't see a screen about where to install grub specifically
[08:11] <elfy> ash_m: to do that - use the Something Else option at partition stage
[08:11] <elfy> otherwise it will install grub to sda
[08:11] <Unit193> ax562: Stock Xubuntu uses Greybird, not fond of it?  There's either the other shimmer themes, MediterraneanNight, or something else that happens to support GTK2 and 3.
[08:13] <ash_m> elfy: (1) isn't that where I want it installed; (2) I always select "Something Else"; usually I make 3 partitions; 4GB on /, 2GB on /usr and /var.... this time around I did all 8GB on / because people told me that was better in the Linux channel
[08:14] <elfy> you asked the question - I answered it ;)
[08:16] <ash_m> elfy: considering what I said I have done before, do you think I should keep doing 3 partitions or make 1? Also, any idea what I should be keeping an eye out for when looking to make sure GRUB is installed in the right location?
[08:17] <ax562> trying xfce-dusk
[08:17] <ax562> going to try it out
[08:17] <elfy> ash_m: I've not read the backlog
[08:17] <ax562> I like the black themes..easy on the eyes
[08:17] <ax562> I just want stability
[08:19] <ash_m> elfy: all I said was in the past I installed 3 different partitions mounted at the following locations: 4GB on /, 2GB on /usr and /var.... I was recently informed to install to 1 partition of all 8GB on /... incidently, it's the only thing I did differently when I reinstalled and now I am getting a GRUB error. Do you think I should install with 3 or 1 partitions?
[08:20] <elfy> on a usb stick I would
[08:21] <elfy> what you need to do is ensure that grub installs to the stick - then when you boot a machine with the stick plugged in, boot to that and you should have grub
[08:24] <ash_m> elfy: "on a usb stick I would" You would what? Install 3 partitions or 1?
[08:24] <ash_m> elfy: also, how do I ensure where grub is installed from the partitions screen? any special instructions?
[08:25] <GIMMEL> it.. worked? im not used to an OS booting
[08:25] <GIMMEL> it's been days..... *Sobs*
[08:25] <elfy> ash_m: sorry - still waking up ... 1 partition :)
[08:25] <GIMMEL> how's the USB alchemy going ash_m
[08:26] <elfy> ash_m: use Something else on the partition screen - set the partitions - at the bottom you can choose where to install grub
[08:26] <ash_m> I haven't reattempted to install yet. I think I might in the morning. I am just depressed. I will pay extra-special close attention to the partitions screen, but I really don't remember anything out of the ordinary.
[08:28] <ash_m> right now I am cheering myself up with the mundane project of making an excel function  (not vba; don't get excited) to tell me which bits are on when you plug in a number between 1-255
[08:28] <GIMMEL> okay, i hope it works out
[08:28] <GIMMEL> oh boy!
[08:29] <ash_m> I'll let you know when I finish
[08:30] <GIMMEL> aight
[08:31] <GIMMEL> gotta go pick up a fresh package of illegal narcotics now ;)
[08:35] <ash_m> GIMMEL: done
[08:35] <ash_m> here it is: =IF($A$2-(SUMIF(INDIRECT("B"&ROW()&":"&CHAR(COLUMN()+63)&ROW()), 1,INDIRECT("B1:"&CHAR(COLUMN()+63)&"1"))+C1)<0, 0, 1)
[08:35] <GIMMEL> oh god that makes me so hard
[08:35] <GIMMEL> hahah, joking
[08:35] <GIMMEL> i don't know shit about code
[08:35] <ikonia> ok, enough with the drug/sexual stuff please.
[08:35] <ash_m> assuming $A$2 is your value
[08:35] <ikonia> and the language
[08:35] <GIMMEL> :(..?
[08:35] <elfy> please take the offtopuc elsewhere and watch the language
[08:36] <GIMMEL> sorry man
[08:36] <GIMMEL> i'll do my best to remember
[08:37] <ash_m> it is awesome though. To me anyway :P
[08:37] <GIMMEL> i'll trust you :)
[08:38] <GIMMEL> the most advanced thing i can do is set up an apache server and configure wordpress on it :I
[08:38] <ash_m> setting up apache is a handy skill
[08:38] <GIMMEL> but i'm great at windows stuff. oh wait, that no longer applies. welp
[08:39] <GIMMEL> i guess i am completely useless now.
[08:39] <GIMMEL> (joking)
[08:40] <GIMMEL> what the hell? "cannot read dev/sda"
[08:40] <GIMMEL> what does that imply
[08:40] <GIMMEL> I DONT KNOW WHAT ALL THESE FOLDERS ARE FOR
[08:41] <ikonia> that is a device file
[08:41] <ash_m> night everyone
[08:41] <GIMMEL> oh okay, thanks
[08:42] <GIMMEL> probably my secondary harddrive then
[08:42] <ikonia> "a" suggests it's your first
[08:42] <GIMMEL> ugh the software center crashed, and oh okay thats good to know
[08:44] <Sashco> Hey! Anyone here that can provide help with xubuntu?
[08:44] <Sashco> Hey! Anyone here that can provide help with xubuntu?
[08:44] <ikonia> try asking a question, and then people will respond if they can/know the answer
[08:44] <GIMMEL> ikonia seems to know his stuff
[08:44] <GIMMEL> and yes that
[08:44] <GIMMEL> this is a channel for support after all
[08:45] <Sashco> well, I am not a techie with Linux software..had to install it to learn to use python. In other words, a newbie.
[08:45] <one> Do not do homosexuality.
[08:46] <Sashco> Last night everything froze. Had to shut the comp down manually. After restart everything was happening slowly. I can't run Package Manager at all. Was trying to reinstall xubuntu, but that doesn't work..
[08:47] <GIMMEL> im gay and not caring about remarks like that is what people like me should all do
[08:47] <GIMMEL> if they dont get a reaction, they'll eventually stop
[08:48] <ikonia> GIMMEL: or not comment at all and just stick to the xubuntu support topic
[08:48] <GIMMEL> it's worked for me
[08:48] <GIMMEL> yeah i guess
[08:48] <ikonia> Sashco: if you want help, you're going to have provide more info that "doesn't work"
[08:48] <Sashco> EVen the error I get is completely weird. It doesn't say anything. How do I post an error-report from xubuntu?
[08:49] <GIMMEL> "help! my thing is broken! what do I do?" Computer Janitor Hell
[08:49] <GIMMEL> okay be back later
[08:49] <Sashco> It just says: "The error msg was: 'Unknown error: <class key error>
[08:50] <ikonia> Sashco: if you have internet access use a patebin, such as pastebin.ubuntu.com
[08:51] <Sashco> what language should I use? Just plain text?
[08:52] <GIMMEL> yeah, thats for code coloration
[08:52] <GIMMEL> plain text is fine
[08:52] <Sashco> And also, is there a way to reinstall xubuntu just off the bat from the terminal? I don't use this computer for personal things, so I really don't need to backup anything.
[08:54] <Sashco> Okey. But here is another question. How do look for this error? Is there a cmd that I need to type in terminal? sry about these questions, but the technicals here are a completely new world to me.
[08:54] <Sashco> How do "I" look for this error?
[08:56] <Sashco> as I am not sure what to paste into the Pastebin.
[08:58] <Sashco> GIMMEL, what am I suppose to paste into the pastebin? An error report? How do I produce such report? Do I have to type in a command in terminal to get it?
[08:58] <GIMMEL> you're unable to copy it?
[08:59] <GIMMEL> are you able to take a screengrab, hell even a picture
[09:00] <Sashco> no no...it's not that I can't copy it. I just don't know what command to type to produce an error report....
[09:00] <Sashco> so that I can post it in the pastebin
[09:00] <GIMMEL> oh.. well I don't either, sorry
[09:00] <GIMMEL> wait for someone else to reply
[09:00] <GIMMEL> you'll get your help :)
[09:01] <Sashco> alright hehe
[09:01] <GIMMEL> Inoki, could you help Sashco out?
[09:02] <GIMMEL> Anyone really
[09:02] <Sashco> do you happen to know how to purge the entire system and reinstall it again?
[09:04] <GIMMEL> i'd make a rescue disk/bootable usb stick and nuke the system myself
[09:04] <GIMMEL> then start fresh
[09:05] <Sashco> That's what I am trying now. Downloading  iso. Though everything is just going so extremely slowly after the crash. Even when I try to shut the system down, it just restarts.
[09:06] <GIMMEL> tinyxp is good
[09:06] <GIMMEL> http://www.hirensbootcd.org/ people say this is the best
[09:06] <Sashco> Though I seem to have a problem with my usb ports. They don't seem to be able to read the usb stick :-/
[09:07] <GIMMEL> it has Everything, but it quite large
[09:07] <GIMMEL> it is*
[09:07] <GIMMEL> did you try the usb stick on a different machine and or port
[09:08] <Sashco> no, but the ports were working yesterday.
[09:08] <GIMMEL> could be a temporary i/o glitch
[09:08] <Sashco> Now I just get an error rerport. "Couldn't mount device"
[09:08] <GIMMEL> huh.
[09:08] <Sashco> keeps loading and just disconnects.
[09:09] <GIMMEL> did you try rebooting?
[09:09] <GIMMEL> i had that happen to me and that fixed it, exact same message
[09:09] <Sashco> what bugs me even more is that I can't run the packet manager at all. It just won't run. Nothing happens.
[09:10] <GIMMEL> did you try sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop in the command line
[09:10] <elfy> Sashco: once you've managed to download the iso - boot into recovery mode, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[09:10] <GIMMEL> or that!
[09:10] <Sashco> If you mean rebooting the system than it doesn't help at all. It just starts off with snail speed, I get two error msg windows(about some programs that do not work). And that is pretty much it.
[09:11] <Sashco> elfy: thanks, will try that
[09:11] <GIMMEL> oh :(
[09:11] <elfy> then you'll get a small window with a few options - one of which is fsck - do that
[09:11] <Sashco> Gimmel: tried installing from terminal as you imply, but nothing happened.
[09:11] <GIMMEL> i should probably stop trying to help people, ha
[09:11] <Sashco> just told me that there are no new things to install.
[09:11] <elfy> let it check then try rebooting
[09:11] <Sashco> GIMMEL, :-)
[09:11] <Sashco> I appreciate your help!
[09:12] <GIMMEL> i try, thanks
[09:12] <Sashco> elfy: Is there a program on xubuntu that mounts the isos automatically
[09:12] <Sashco> ?
[09:12] <Sashco> Or will the system itself detect this iso at startup?
[09:12] <elfy> as far as the USB goes - there are numerous thunar bugs with usb not mounting
[09:12] <elfy> Sashco: no - you will need to burn it to something
[09:13] <elfy> Sashco: just do the recovery mode fsck first
[09:13] <Sashco> okey. But, if the usb should start working, than I can run the reboot from the usb stick?
[09:13] <GIMMEL> i'd use this http://www.hirensbootcd.org/ made bootable on another machine
[09:14] <GIMMEL> it's amazing. it let me make my xubuntu iso bootable
[09:15] <Sashco> I seem only to find for usb booting for Windows
[09:15] <GIMMEL> software for windows?
[09:16] <Sashco> this is the error I get when I mount my usb: "Failed to mount : Volume" - Not authorized to perform operation"
[09:16] <GIMMEL> there is knoppix if you want a linux rescue disk
[09:17] <Sashco> GIMMEL, how can I make my iso bootable at hirens?
[09:18] <GIMMEL> it includes tons of apps for just about anything
[09:18] <Sashco> aha
[09:18] <GIMMEL> i dont remember the name
[09:18] <GIMMEL> but they're sorted so it's easy to find
[09:18] <elfy> GIMMEL: exactly what help do you think hirens will give ?
[09:18] <GIMMEL> it has internet access and worked for me
[09:19] <GIMMEL> what do you think would be best elfy
[09:19] <GIMMEL> ?
[09:20] <Sashco> Well guys, I'll see what happens when the iso is downloaded. I will try another usb stick...maybe this got broken overnight. Who knows.
[09:20] <elfy> to run fsck for a start - then I would boot with a live session - install the disks program - check the smart data for the drives
[09:21] <GIMMEL> all right
[09:22] <GIMMEL> listen to him Sashco !
[09:24] <Sashco> What is fsck?
[09:24] <elfy> !fsck
[09:26] <Sashco> Ah! thx! I def. need a system check. Since I know there is something wrong!
[09:26] <Sashco> thx!
[09:31] <elfy> you can use one of those commands to run it without recovery mode ^^
[09:31] <elfy> sudo touch /forcefsck && sudo shutdown -r now
[09:32] <Sashco> I am purging some programs now just to make sure they are not creating the conflict somewhere in the system. Once that is finished I will perform the fsck
[09:33] <Sashco> It may well be something to do with me isntalling pipelight yesterday aswell. So getting rid of that for now.
[09:34] <elfy> I thought you said that package manager wasn't working?
[09:34] <Sashco> yeah
[09:34] <Sashco> in terminal it works, for some reason.
[09:34] <Sashco> Can't run it from desktop
[09:34] <Sashco> nothing happens
[09:34] <elfy> ok - so it is just ubuntu software centre giving issues?
[09:35] <Sashco> Alright. reboot now to see whether this thing works now. the red "sign" on top of my desktop is now gone :-) lol. I'll be back here in a minute
[09:36] <Sashco> yeah, seems like its just the softwhare centre that is malfunctioning.
[09:37] <Sashco> oh crap...well, I no longer have privilages to preform system updates through ubuntu software centre...
[09:37] <Sashco> which means something is wrong.
[09:38] <elfy> let's just worry about one thing at a time
[09:39] <Sashco> okey, I am rebooting. If there is no change now after the purge, I'll do the fsck. brb
[09:40] <CyborgCygnus> I ran an fsck/grub upgrade before in recovery mode & it just hung with a flashing dash for likr 10 minutes.
[09:40] <CyborgCygnus> like*
[09:42] <Sashco> nah, didn't work.
[09:43] <Sashco> still can't shut the system down. It doesn't even reboot. It just kind of logs off and restarts from there...
[09:43] <Sashco> what was that cmd again, for fsck
[09:43] <Sashco> in terminal
[09:43] <CyborgCygnus> Ctrl+Alt+Delete
[09:45] <CyborgCygnus> You tried booting into recovery mode a the grub boot?
[09:45] <CyborgCygnus> at*
[09:46] <elfy> Sashco: sudo touch /forcefsck && sudo shutdown -r now
[09:46] <Sashco> Nope, nothing yet. Just waiting for elfy to post the cmd
[09:46] <Sashco> there it is :-)
[09:58] <G1MMEL> Hahaha someone regged my usual nick
[09:59] <G1MMEL> Clever, forgot you could do that
[10:03] <Sashco> well...I ran a System Recovery(f11), and the system seems to be operating quite smoothly compared to prior. But still I don't have permission for mounting usb sticks(tried 3 different) and I still get 2 windows that pop up saying that "System program problem"
[10:04] <Sashco> which renders me unable to run a complete reboot from the usb stick. Only hope now is to burn a cd with the iso on another comp and mount it here.
[10:04] <elfy> Sashco: ok - let's look at the system program problem - what actaully happens when you let it report it
[10:08] <Sashco> nothing at all. I think I've reported it several times already.
[10:09] <Sashco> After that, nothing. The window just closes. There are always 2 identical window popups.
[10:11] <Sashco> At the start up, after I've typed in my password and the system is starting up from black screen, those two popup windows with System problem show up first. But, for the first few seconds they show up in low resolution. Like the safety mode you run in windows(16 bit color)
[10:12] <Sashco> that is why I was curios if there is a way to produce some sort of report in the terminal.
[10:13] <Sashco> Some sort of a command that I type in and the system performs a check and than shows what is wrong...
[10:13] <elfy> Sashco: hang on and I'll be back shortly
[10:13] <Sashco> sure, np
[10:14] <elfy> ls /var/crash/
[10:15] <elfy> does that show a list of files with .crash
[10:21] <Sashco> give me sec
[10:21] <Sashco> was reading something
[10:21] <Sashco> will try
[10:21] <Sashco> _lib_systemd_systemd-logind.0.crash _opt_spotify_spotify-client_spotify.1000.crash _usr_bin_update-manager.1000.crash
[10:22] <elfy> sudo rm /var/crash/*
[10:22] <elfy> please copy and paste that - don't type it and get it wrong
[10:22] <Sashco> it is done correctly :-)
[10:22] <Sashco> but nothing happened.
[10:23] <Sashco> I just typed in my pw and that was it
[10:23] <elfy> yep - if it returns to the prompt it has done as you asked without error
[10:23] <Sashco> thoug when I run ls /var/crash/ now, the list is empty
[10:24] <Sashco> alright
[10:24] <Sashco> should I do a reboot now?
[10:24] <elfy> yep - should be - you rm'd them :)
[10:24] <Sashco> to see if the error msgs still appear?
[10:24] <elfy> no - that removed the old crash reports
[10:24] <Sashco> aha
[10:25] <elfy> if you get them again then you need to try report and see what happens
[10:25] <Sashco> still can't run package manager from my scroll window :-(
[10:25] <elfy> ok - now plug in a usb stick please and then run this command
[10:26] <elfy> lsusb | pastebinit
[10:26] <elfy> give us the url
[10:26] <Sashco> I'll do a reboot now and see if they pop up, and what happens when I press report.
[10:26] <elfy> if you want
[10:26] <Sashco> wait..I'll do that first with the usb stick
[10:26] <Sashco> see if it works
[10:27] <Sashco> can't mount. "Not authoraized to perform operation".
[10:27] <Sashco> weird
[10:27] <Sashco> none of the ports
[10:28] <elfy> and what url did the command give you
[10:28] <Sashco> give me a sec
[10:28] <Sashco> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7161945/
[10:29] <elfy> I think that the cd12:ef18 is the stick, not sure
[10:29] <elfy> someone else can help you with that - I'm running down on time
[10:30] <elfy> let's have a quick look at the software centre issue - run this in a terminal
[10:30] <elfy> software-center
[10:30] <elfy> let it try and open, then when it doesn't Ctrl+C in terminal
[10:31] <elfy> then copy and paste all of the terminal output to paste.ubuntu.com - sort the paste out then give us the url
[10:31] <Sashco> it won't stop hehe
[10:31] <Sashco> even when I press ctrl+c
[10:33] <andry> do you guys use discard for ssd?
[10:33] <andry> as ext4 opt
[10:33] <Sashco> alright...what was the direct url to the ubuntu pastebin?
[10:34] <Sashco> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7161988/
[10:34] <Sashco> there we go
[10:35] <Sashco> andry; I have no idea. I am here for the help, lol
[10:37] <elfy> mmm - that looks like you don't have the correct permissions for your home
[10:37] <andry> Sashco, chown -R `id -u`:`id -g`$HOME/.cache/dconf/user
[10:37] <andry> ups
[10:37] <andry> Sashco, chown -R `id -u`:`id -g` $HOME/.cache/dconf/user
[10:37] <andry> missing a spce
[10:38] <andry> chown should handle ids
[10:38] <andry> yes, it does
[10:38] <Sashco> andry: should I type in the cmd in the terminal?
[10:38] <andry> yes
[10:38] <andry> maybe you need to sudo, because it does not belong to you
[10:41] <Sashco> when I used without sudo, I get permission denied. When I add sudo to it I get no such file or directory
[10:41] <andry> Sashco, chown -R `id -u`:`id -g` /home/sasha/.cache/dconf/user
[10:41] <andry> with sudo
[10:41] <andry> thought sudo would use HOME var of your logged in user
[10:42] <Sashco> in both cases it says: cannot access that given cmd
[10:42] <andry> sudo chown -R `id -u`:`id -g` /home/sasha/.cache/dconf
[10:42] <andry> (it wants to create user, sorry)
[10:43] <Sashco> nothing....
[10:43] <andry> yes, thats fine
[10:44] <Sashco> this is weird...last night it worked fine. And than the system all froze up. After the manual shutdown, everything got messed up.
[10:44] <andry> can you try to access software-center again?
[10:44] <Sashco> yeah, worked
[10:45] <Sashco> make a new paste in ubuntu pastebin?
[10:46] <Sashco> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7162048/
[10:49] <Sashco> I'll do a reboot again, see if my usb is working or whether I still get a system error msg after login
[10:52] <Sashco_> same error msg. Sent the report. And aslo, I cannot shut down my system. Whenever I try it doesn't even reboot. It kind of just logs off and starts from login again.
[10:53] <Sashco_> the only way to shut it down is manually.
[10:54] <Sashco_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7162073/
[10:54] <Sashco_> here is the crash report from the attempted restart
[11:02] <andry> thinks are messed up, Sashco_
[11:02] <andry> :D
[11:02] <andry> things*
[12:27] <Carlitos83> salve ^^
[12:32] <delt> hello
[12:33] <delt> what was the file for the global PATH environment variable again?
[12:33] <delt> (setting up new ubuntu studio box)
[12:34] <delt> i added it to /etc/environment but it doesn't work :/
[12:35] <TheSheep> delt: you need to start a new terminal window for it to take effect
[12:36] <TheSheep> delt: you can also add it to ~/.bashrc
[12:36] <TheSheep> or ~/.bash_profile
[12:36] <delt> TheSheep: i did
[12:36] <TheSheep> then you did something wrong
[12:36] <delt> TheSheep: yeah but the problem with ~/.bash* is that it would only affect terminal windows, and not for ex. the alt+f2 box for running commands
[12:41] <delt> ah, got it...had to reboot
[12:53] <MalMen> hello, i ha here with one big problem
[12:53] <MalMen> malmen@mining:~$ sudo su
[12:53] <MalMen> [sudo] password for root:
[12:53] <MalMen> sudo is asking me password for root
[12:53] <MalMen> i never defined any password for root :X
[12:54] <cfhowlett> !root|MalMen,
[12:54] <MalMen> cfhowlett i know there is no root password
[12:54] <MalMen> but sudo is askting me password for root insted of my own password
[12:55] <MalMen> dont you see ?
[12:55] <MalMen> [sudo] password for root:
[12:55] <MalMen> i am executing sudo withh my own user
[12:56] <Juv1228> MalMen, sudo asking for a password and root having a password have nothing to do with eachother
[12:56] <Juv1228> sudo will require your own users password and that you be allowed to use sudo by /etc/sudoers
[12:56] <Juv1228> su root would ask for the root password (and probably not work without a password on root)
[12:56] <cfhowlett> Juv1228, good explanation - thanks!
[12:57] <MalMen> i know that
[12:57] <Juv1228> MalMen, http://www.ducea.com/2006/06/18/linux-tips-password-usage-in-sudo-passwd-nopasswd/
[12:58] <Juv1228> I highly suggest you do NOT allow sudo without a password in general
[12:58] <Juv1228> there are some circumstances where it is useful, but a blanket 'allow all' is a good way to get rooted
[12:59] <Juv1228> oh, MalMen malmen@mining:~$ sudo su
[12:59] <Juv1228> sorry, I didn't see your initial question
[12:59] <MalMen> ahhh, so you see it now
[12:59] <Juv1228> sudo -i is what you want
[12:59] <Juv1228> not sudo su root
[13:00] <MalMen> sudo -i is asking me the password for root the same way
[13:00] <Juv1228> hmm, how did you disable the root password?
[13:00] <MalMen> i never seted root password
[13:00] <MalMen> *ubuntu dont usualy need that
[13:00] <Juv1228> cat /etc/passwd | grep root
[13:00] <cfhowlett> MalMen, paste your output
[13:01] <Juv1228> root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
[13:01] <Juv1228> the output should look like that
[13:01] <MalMen> root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
[13:01] <Juv1228> ok, also check /etc/shadow in the same way
[13:01] <Juv1228> you will have to use sudo
[13:02] <Juv1228> root:!:16053:0:99999:7:::
[13:02] <Juv1228> the second field is the important bit
[13:02] <Juv1228> !
[13:02] <Juv1228> in place of a password hash, which means no password will ever work
[13:02] <Juv1228> however, I am unsure why sudo su root would ask you for a root password
[13:02] <MalMen> how can i check /etc/shadow if sudo dont allow me? :X
[13:03] <MalMen> i cant use sudo remember ?
[13:03] <Juv1228> you can't use sudo at all?
[13:03] <Juv1228> I thought only sudo su root didn't work
[13:03] <MalMen> no sudo at all
[13:03] <Juv1228> show me the output of id
[13:03] <MalMen> what id ?
[13:03] <Juv1228> run the command 'id'
[13:03] <MalMen> ah, sorry
[13:03] <MalMen> uid=1000(malmen) gid=1000(malmen) grupos=1000(malmen),4(adm),24(cdrom),27(sudo),30(dip),46(plugdev),107(lpadmin),124(sambashare)
[13:05] <Juv1228> the only thing I can think of is having the 'rootpw' option enabled in /etc/sudoers
[13:05] <Juv1228> which you can only check as root
[13:05] <MalMen> i dont have any idea with this is happening, i never saw anything like this
[13:05] <MalMen> sudo asking for a password of another user
[13:06] <Juv1228> If you are completely locked out of root on the system, boot a livecd and check the file /etc/sudoers on your HDD for anything like this
[13:06] <Juv1228> Defaults rootpw
[13:06] <Juv1228> or any line with the text 'rootpw'
[13:06] <MalMen> :|
[13:07] <Juv1228> sudoers has an option named 'rootpw' which requires the root password instead of each users password, but I have no clue how it would have been enabled
[13:07] <Juv1228> it is definitely not the default
[13:07] <MalMen> i was using sudo a few hours ago
[13:08] <MalMen> and everything work sooth
[13:08] <cfhowlett> MalMen, could be you changed something.  check your bash history
[13:08] <Juv1228> what did you do between then and now
[13:08] <MalMen> there is any graphic sudo ?
[13:09] <Juv1228> some programs will ask for your password in a graphical manor, yes
[13:09] <Juv1228> the xubuntu package updater for example
[13:09] <cfhowlett> MalMen, gksudo
[13:09] <MalMen> will try some of that
[13:09] <MalMen> gksudo cool
[13:09] <Juv1228> but this works in the same way, using the sudo daemon
[13:09] <Juv1228> daemon is probably a bad term for sudo actually
[13:10] <Juv1228> but for whatever reason it has an /etc/init.d/ script
[13:10] <elfy> gksudo is not installed by default anymore
[13:10] <MalMen> i am using xubuntu 12.10
[13:11] <MalMen> is instaled
[13:11] <MalMen> and its not working
[13:11] <elfy> sudo -i is not asking for root password - it just wants your password
[13:11] <elfy> but as cfhowlett says - check bash history if it was working earlier
[13:11] <Juv1228> MalMen, elfy has a good point, show us the output of sudo -i
[13:12] <Juv1228> elfy, for sudo su root it was asking for root password
[13:12] <MalMen> malmen@mining:~$ sudo -i
[13:12] <MalMen> [sudo] password for root:
[13:12] <Juv1228> but I really don't see why it would ask with sudo -i unless he or another admin changed /etc/sudoers
[13:13] <MalMen> lol
[13:13] <Juv1228> MalMen, do other people have root/sudo access on this box?
[13:13] <MalMen> instaling one package by software manager
[13:13] <MalMen> it asked my password
[13:13] <MalMen> i put my password and bam
[13:13] <MalMen> in progress
[13:19] <MalMen> omg
[13:19] <MalMen> can add users by gui
[13:31] <delt> [ 1923.723907] usb 3-11: Device not responding to set address.
[13:31] <delt> isn't this fun :/
[13:31] <delt> is there a module i have to load or something? (midi keyboard in usb port)
[13:32] <delt> i see snd_usb_audio at the top of the lsmod list
[13:38] <delt> just tested with the 13.10 boot stick, keyboard seems to work perfectly.
[13:41] <ryden> hello, ive a question
[13:41] <delt> installing this kernel..... ---> linux-image-3.13.0-19-lowlatency
[13:42] <ryden> which is the last xfce stable version?
[13:42] <cfhowlett> ryden, 3.2.0-60-lowlatency
[13:42] <cfhowlett> ryden, well, at least on 12.04.4 ...
[13:42] <ryden> xfce 4.12?
[13:42] <ryden> no xubuntu version
[13:43] <ryden> xfce
[13:43] <cfhowlett> ryden, ubuntustudio IS xubuntu
[13:43] <ryden> xfce.org the las update is about 2012
[13:44] <cfhowlett> ryden, xfce4
[13:45] <holstein> delt: id have to have the hardware in front of me.. if i were going back, id go back to 12.04, since it is supported longer than 13.10
[13:45] <ryden> do you know something about its developement?
[13:47] <ryden> xfce4.?
[13:48] <cfhowlett> ryden, see xfce.org for details
[13:48] <holstein> ryden: http://www.xfce.org/
[13:48] <holstein> ryden: xubuntu uses xfce
[13:48] <ryden> that site is not updated anymore
[13:49] <ryden> april 28 20112
[13:49] <ryden> 2012
[13:49] <holstein> ryden: let them know you would like to help them maintain the information there, if you are intertested
[13:49] <holstein> ryden: that *is* the xfce site... xubuntu uses xfce
[13:49] <ryden> i know it
[13:49] <cfhowlett> https://wiki.xfce.org/
[13:49] <ryden> holstein
[13:50] <ryden> my question is why the xfce site is not updated anymore
[13:50] <ryden> just that
[13:50] <cfhowlett> ryden, contact the team - the wiki site lists them
[13:50] <holstein> yeah, https://wiki.xfce.org/#release_information looks like you can get all the information you need
[13:50] <holstein> ryden: ask them.. xubuntu just uses XFCE.. could be they dont have the help to maintain it.. or, maybe they are not using it anymore
[13:51] <ryden> thankss
[13:51] <delt> holstein: seems to be a kernel issue... just booted in 3.13.0-19-lowlatency and now there's the same error but at least it recognizes the brand (m-audio)
[13:51] <delt> holstein: apt-cache search lowlatency is not showing earlier kernel versions... how do i install the same one that's in 13.10?
[13:52] <holstein> delt: i wouldnt.. but, you can get a .deb for it
[13:52] <holstein> delt: i would just test with, and try the generic one
[13:52] <holstein> delt: try and get the hardware working, and the OS booting, then go from there with latency configuration as needed
[13:53] <delt> holstein: this package? linux-generic-lts-saucy
[13:54] <holstein> delt: i would be using live CD's at this point.. i would be using xubuntu live CD's to see that the OS is working on my hardware
[13:54] <holstein> delt: that would be using the generic kernel
[13:54] <delt> holstein: i booted the machine off the 13.10 usb stick and the keyboard is working fine
[13:55] <holstein> delt: what "keyboard", though.. an audio keyboard that has guaranteed no linux support?
[13:55] <delt> holstein: except i installed 14.04 b1 and the kernel is giving me errors when i plug in / turn on the keyboard
[13:55] <holstein> delt: usually, they just work. and as i stated, i would get the OS booting and running stable *then* address other issues
[13:56] <holstein> if i were going back, i would run 12.04, not 13.10
[13:56] <delt> do you recommend keeping 14.04b for now? i really don't feel like reinstalling...
[13:56] <delt> everything else seems to work fine.
[13:57] <delt> also what features would be missing in 12.04 compared to 13.x or 14.x?
[13:57] <holstein> delt: the features missing from 13.x compared to 12.04 is support
[14:07] <delt> holstein: still not working with the generic kernel :/
[14:08] <holstein> delt: sure.. is it something that promises no linux support?
[14:09] <holstein> delt: i would get the OS working, and go from there.. if it did work, then, you can typically easily make it work
[14:09] <holstein> delt: could be that a module is not installed, or support has been removed.. or anything, really
[14:09] <delt> well, the OS is working
[14:09] <delt> yeah, i have a feeling it's something ridiculously simple like that....
[14:10] <delt> hmm.... midisport-firmware - Firmware loader for M-Audio's MidiSport devices
[14:10] <holstein> right.. i need that for a few things i have laying around..
[14:11] <delt> nope... no go :/
[14:11] <holstein> delt: sure.. and it may *never* go again. since they havent promised you to support linux
[14:12] <delt> *sigh* ok... so you recommend i install 12.04?
[14:12] <holstein> delt: but, i really dont think it will be a big deal.. i would keep it simple, and start ffrom the beginning.. is the hardware functioning properly? which could be tested from a live CD, or another box.. is it showing in lsusb.. etc
[14:13] <delt> holstein: yes, i tested from the live cd and the hardware is working perfectly.
[14:13] <holstein> delt: i dont let usb devices that dont support linux dictate what operating system i load. but, thats a personal decision i made
[14:13] <delt> and on the laptop, works perfectly as well.
[14:13] <holstein> delt: what i said was, going back, i would choose 12.04 instead of 13.10, due to the support length
[14:13] <delt> ah ok.. i would personally prefer to keep 14 beta
[14:14] <holstein> delt: i think i asked before.. but, what keyboard?
[14:14] <delt> m-audio oxygen 88
[14:14] <holstein> i have an maudio keystation i can test in 14.04 later
[14:14] <delt> cool ..the 61 key?
[14:14] <holstein> delt: i literally cant remember.. sounds right
[14:15] <delt> i have the keystation 88 as a spare keyboard, but i never use it since i got the oxygen88
[14:15] <holstein> delt: sure. but see if its working.. if not, i can test here
[14:16] <delt> holstein: i think i'll boot back into the 13.10 livecd and do lsmod > somefileonmyhd
[14:16] <delt> see if any modules are missing
[14:28] <delt> holstein: weird, i booted again from the 13.10 live and it doesn't work now, gives me the same error
[14:28] <delt> this is a completely new computer, might be something up with support for the USB ports...
[14:29] <delt> anyway, for now i'll use the standard 5-pin midi cable :/
[14:32] <delt> at least that works.....
[14:40] <delt> so from the laptop, the keyboard is working great.
[14:40] <delt> [39284.800281] usb 3-1: Product: Oxygen 88
[14:40] <delt> [39284.800287] usb 3-1: Manufacturer: M-Audio
[14:54] <delt> argh...i'm sometimes getting some random notes :( :(
[14:57] <delt> the problem might be with BIOS settings related to the USB ports....
[15:11] <delt> YESSSS the problem was with the bios settings
[15:11] <delt> :D :D i got the kernel detecting my keyboard, now let's play a bit!
[15:14] <delt> wtf?? i changed it to a usb port on the back of the machine and now i'm getting the same error :( :(
[15:41] <delt> *sigh* downloading 12.04, will test with that......
[15:49] <delt> System program problem detected
[15:49] <delt> Do you want to report the problem now?
[15:49] <delt> i keep getting that error box when i try to use the keyboard in renoise.
[15:50] <delt> ubuntu studio 14 beta seems a bit unstable.... i think i'll just go back to 12.04
[18:38] <ash_m> Can anyone walk me through a reinstall? I always end up with a GRUB error when I try to do it alone.
[18:39] <cfhowlett> ash_m, have your verified your ISO?
[18:44] <ash_m> I got diconnected
[18:44] <elfy> cfhowlett: iirc this is about installs to usb and grub ending up in the wrong place
[18:45] <Shirt_> Hi, Im looking to make a startup script for xubuntu that asks some basic questions like server IP username and pass, then insert it into a web browser can someone point me in the right direction of where to start?
[18:46] <holstein> delt: that would support a hardware problem, and not a kernel issue.. though, i would power the unit off, and unplug the power in between tests
[18:47] <holstein> delt: and, i see you are trying to address it with bios settings.. .sounds like a good idea.. good lucj
[19:16] <serge> у меня вопрос, как установить скайп?
[19:17] <knome> !ru | serge
[19:18] <Sashco> !elfy
[19:18] <Sashco> are you here?
[19:18] <Artemis3> serge, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype
[19:18] <serge> спасибо, сейчас попробую.
[19:19] <serge> понял, большое спасибо.
[19:19] <knome> serge, english only please.
[19:19] <serge> ok.
[19:21] <Sashco> well, I was here ealier trying to figure out what is wrong with my xubuntu. Obviously there is quite a bit wrong. So, how do I format my entire system??
[19:21] <knome> Sashco, you'll have that option when you install xubuntu
[19:21] <Artemis3> redo the install and at some point choose the option to use entire disk
[19:21] <knome> Sashco, but take backups if you need to save any information
[19:21] <Sashco> I have dl and burnt an iso of xubuntu 13.10 BUT, I do not have permission to mount the cd. In fact, I can't do anything. Even when I restart my computer with the cd in, press Esc, I still don't get any options to do anything.
[19:22] <elfy> Artemis3: that's ok if they only have one install on it
[19:22] <Artemis3> don't they all? ;) i'll leave the complex don't kill windows partitions to others :3
[19:22] <Sashco> I am like this cloes |--| to putting this thing out of its misery...
[19:22] <Sashco> close*
[19:23] <Sashco> elfy: I actually found out that I no longer have sound. It just doesn't work anymore. And along with having no permission to my usb ports, I also don't have permission to run a cd from the tray.
[19:24] <Artemis3> Sashco, you should be able to boot from the iso and see the logo press key to show menu
[19:24] <Artemis3> Sashco, you do only want Xubuntu in there right?
[19:24] <Sashco> so, when I run the force fsck cmd, and restart, even when I press Esc it goes straight to checking the disc and to the loginsection. Bypassing everything else.
[19:25] <Sashco> yeah, I only have xubuntu here. So no need for anything else.
[19:25] <Artemis3> then, reinstall away :)
[19:25] <elfy> at a guess given that you had to chown this morning to get permission, I would think you did something to permissions prior to your issue
[19:25] <elfy> Sashco: ^^
[19:26] <Sashco> To tell you the truth, I have no idea what is going on. I'll do another restart and see if I get an option w/o the iso cd in.
[19:26] <Sashco> brb
[20:30] <xubuntu360> thanks
[20:30] <knome> you're welcome
[20:31] <xubuntu360>  I have a problem with my wifi card, RTL8723, can you help me?
[20:33] <xubuntu360> thanks in advance
[20:43] <wabbla> hi xubuntu360, what problem do you have?
[20:46] <xubuntu360> xubuntu is not recognized
[20:48] <Tausen> On xubuntu, I'm looking for a way to lock a modifier key. For example, if I have to press ctrl-n ctrl-n ctrl-p, I'd rather press ctrl-ctrl n n p or caps n n p. Any ideas?
[20:49] <xubuntu360> I tried several ways, lowering the driver, make, make install and modprobe rtl8723, and does not work, what's going?
[20:51] <holstein> xubuntu360: i would want to confirm that the device is functioning properly, then, that the device is on or initialized.. both of which are independed of xubuntu support.. then, i would move on to support, if needed.. which, i usually do by trying other live CD's
[20:56] <wabbla> tausen: i think that's called sticky keys. you can enabe it in xubuntu in settings -> accesibility -> keyboard
[21:06] <Tausen> wabbla: Thanks, I tried sticky keys and it is nearly what I want, but "lock sticky keys" doesn't seem to work. It seems like ticking "lock sticky keys" has no effect :/
[21:10] <wabbla> tausen: i just ticked "sticky keys", no lock, and i can do, ctrl, c, ctrl, v, (one after another)  for copy paste
[21:11] <Tausen> wabble: Yeah, I get that behaviour too, but what I'm looking for is a way to sort of toggle control for more than just one key, so I could do for instance ctrl c v instead of ctrl-c ctrl-v
[21:13] <Tausen> And I thought "lock sticky keys" could do that (or at least a bit like it)
[21:14] <wabbla> tausen: i think i have the same, lock doesn't do anything.
[21:16] <Tausen> wabbla: alright, thanks - at least it is not just me then :P I wonder if I'm missing something
[21:17] <wabbla> tausen: you could look if there's a bug report in launchpad, and make one if there's none
[21:21] <wabbla> tausen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1245662
[21:27] <Tausen> wabble: Good find, thanks!
[21:28] <wabbla> tausen: if you have a launchpad account, you can say it affects you and report your xubuntu version, so it gets more attention.
[21:29] <Tausen> wabbla: I'll do that :)
[21:49] <Beryl> I find it funny how xfce's task manager uses more ram than other simple ones yet has fewer features
[22:31] <Sashco> finally! Formated. Like new :-)
[23:49] <ash_m> omg, one problem after the next. I tried to come in here earlier to get some help but my laptop wasn't working. Evenutally I tried to use a little tablet to connect to here, but the connection kept dropping, so I ended up having to fix my laptop to get help for my desktop.
[23:49] <ash_m> hah.
[23:50] <ash_m> can anyone walk me through a xubuntu 13.10 reinstall? I am running it off of a Flash drive and everytime I do it by myself, I always get a GRUB rescue error
[23:51] <ash_m> anyone?
[23:53] <holstein> ash_m: sure
[23:53] <ash_m> Hooray!
[23:54] <holstein> ash_m: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair is what i use
[23:54] <ash_m> okay, so right now I'm live booting to my installer (which is also on a usb)
[23:54] <ash_m> the way that I've been doing this (and failing) is using the live version to boot up; use gparted to clear the drive I want to install on; and then install to that drive
[23:54] <holstein> ok.. just install. not sure why you are not able to install grub, but some possible issues are.. bad hardware.. a bad image. .bad installation media.. etc
[23:55] <holstein> ash_m: clear the drive? to you have more than one drive? then?
[23:55] <holstein> ash_m: that can be the issue, if you are putting grub on the incorrrect drive, and the bios is trying to boot a different one
[23:56] <holstein> ash_m: regardless.. just install, get an install to complete.. and if you have an issue, you can use the guide i gave to repair grub from the live media you used to install
[23:56] <ash_m> holstein: I don't have an HDD, just usbs for this machine. I have 1 usb to install xubuntu and 1 usb to have xubuntu installed on. It seems to work fine when I have a fresh usb drive to install to; but when I try to reinstall I always seem to have problems
[23:56] <holstein> ash_m: so, you have *no* hard drives in the machine? correct?
[23:57] <ash_m> well, what I'd really like to know is why I always have these problems in the first place. I read a lot of forums saying people accidentally installed it to the wrong place.
[23:57] <ash_m> holstein: correct
[23:57] <holstein> ash_m: the only drives you have are 2 usb sticks?
[23:57] <ash_m> holstein: correct again
[23:57] <holstein> ash_m: i have no idea why you are having a problem. nor am i sure you are having a problem
[23:57] <holstein> ash_m: i have done what you seem to be trying to do many times.. and im happy to try and help
[23:58] <ash_m> holstein:  I have succeeded in this feat many times as well, but ONLY with new usb sticks; after I install once, I'm ka-put
[23:58] <holstein> ash_m: you can "zero the usb stick" if you want, and start from scratch.. and use the tool i linked if you have issues with grub afterwards
[23:58] <ash_m> someone gave me a cat command to do that
[23:58] <holstein> ash_m: ok.. i have not encountered that same issue. .so, feel free and do this
[23:59] <ash_m> is that any different from deleting the partitions using gparted?
[23:59] <holstein> ash_m: use gparted.. clear the drive.. reinstall.. test.. use the boot repair if boot is broken
[23:59] <ash_m> holstein: guess that's what I'll do...
[23:59] <holstein> ash_m: i do what is needed with the gparted tool.. if i need to delelt a partition, i do so. if i need to do more, i do