| hatch | rick_h_ curious, did you ever create that upstream bug for the kernel? | 00:07 |
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| rick_h_ | hatch: no, honestly it's like 10th on my list of stuff atm | 00:08 |
| hatch | :-) no problem just didn't see a link so was going to track it if it was | 00:08 |
| rick_h_ | though did make my appt to get my snow tires off and get some new tires on the summre wheels :) | 00:08 |
| hatch | ooooo nice :) I gota do the same | 00:08 |
| hatch | maybe this weekend | 00:08 |
| hatch | I swap them myself....unfortunately | 00:09 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: heh, I'm sitting here trying to get a local env to bootstrap to test out working with local charms | 00:09 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: yea, I don't have storage space and such so I use their valet service | 00:09 |
| hatch | you've seen the emails from hazmat and I/ | 00:09 |
| rick_h_ | they store them and just swap them off since their diff wheel sizes | 00:09 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: yea, I want to verify what you CAN do | 00:09 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: I want to deploy a local charm, see if we can deploy another instance with a new name via cli | 00:09 |
| rick_h_ | if we can, the code is there, it's wiring it | 00:09 |
| rick_h_ | kapil's email seemed to focus on deploying a local charm that's not yet uploaded | 00:10 |
| rick_h_ | but there's note on the auto incrementing revision | 00:10 |
| hatch | I couldn't figure out a syntax to deploy a local charm via the CLI but I'm hoping I was wrong | 00:10 |
| hatch | that's the biggest limitation atm | 00:10 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: yea, maybe it's not there. | 00:10 |
| rick_h_ | I'll bug someone on -core maybe | 00:10 |
| hatch | I learnt something about python today which I felt was a little dumb....you can call functions without () so it looks like a property but it's actually a function | 00:11 |
| rick_h_ | right | 00:11 |
| rick_h_ | call help on it that way | 00:12 |
| hatch | it's a little cool....but not good for discoverability imho | 00:12 |
| rick_h_ | help(str.something) | 00:12 |
| rick_h_ | well you'll notice the type | 00:12 |
| rick_h_ | I mean it's the same in JS | 00:12 |
| hatch | right but when you're reading the code of some passed in value you just assume it's a property | 00:12 |
| rick_h_ | functions are objects | 00:12 |
| rick_h_ | ah, heh that's functional for you :) | 00:12 |
| rick_h_ | but again, same as JS. pass in a callback/etc | 00:13 |
| hatch | charm.charm_url <---- this is actually a function....but charm._charm_url is a property | 00:13 |
| hatch | so unless you're familiar with the code base, you don't know that | 00:13 |
| rick_h_ | yea, that's a bit of bad form as methods should be named something methody, get_charm_url | 00:14 |
| hatch | I came across it in a log `log.debug("xxx %s", charm.charm_url) | 00:14 |
| hatch | and it was throwing an error | 00:14 |
| hatch | so it caught me off guard that a fn was being called | 00:15 |
| rick_h_ | heh | 00:15 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 00:15 |
| rick_h_ | bah, lxc env is broken again it seems | 00:16 |
| hatch | but I suppose you're right, callbacks and the like in js are similar | 00:16 |
| hatch | they just release 17.7 | 00:16 |
| rick_h_ | yea, but not in trusty atm | 00:16 |
| hatch | maybe it's fixed in there? | 00:16 |
| hatch | ohh | 00:16 |
| rick_h_ | it'll take time, but yea, we'll see. | 00:16 |
| rick_h_ | my envs are a mess | 00:16 |
| hatch | haha | 00:16 |
| rick_h_ | I've had so many broken envs that I think my configs/existing envs are in trouble | 00:17 |
| rick_h_ | working on my desktop, yay for more than one machine lol | 00:17 |
| hatch | haha | 00:17 |
| hatch | well even though my task was not completed/possible I learnt a lot of pythony bits so I'm considering this a success :) | 00:18 |
| rick_h_ | heh cool | 00:18 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: so I can do this | 00:23 |
| rick_h_ | ah bah nvm | 00:24 |
| hatch | :-) | 00:25 |
| rick_h_ | yea, make sure to cd before you think it did work lol | 00:25 |
| rick_h_ | well, add it to the GUI feature work list we want to do | 00:25 |
| * rick_h_ grumbled he could have sworn being told it was possible | 00:26 | |
| hatch | it IS possible if the charms are on the users file system | 00:28 |
| hatch | then the deployer can deploy from the local file system | 00:28 |
| rick_h_ | ok, good to know. I'll have to work on some wording and emails tomorrow | 00:30 |
| hatch | yeah - it's unfortunately a ton of work to do what we want to do | 00:33 |
| rick_h_ | I don't know it's more than stuff like local charm support to begin with :) | 00:35 |
| rick_h_ | but it's another feature | 00:35 |
| hatch | yeah - I'm wondering if we 'need' this feature | 00:37 |
| hatch | it's a pretty rare usecase which will be handled by ___ | 00:37 |
| hatch | so....maybe the best reply would be how to do it via the CLI | 00:38 |
| hatch | it's not ideal but 'should' work | 00:38 |
| hatch | (we should probably test it first) | 00:38 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: yea, pretty much. | 00:39 |
| hatch | would you like me to look into that in the AM or are you trying that now? | 00:40 |
| hatch | the CLI only approach | 00:40 |
| rick_h_ | no, I think we'll put this away and write up a nice "here's the temp path" email | 00:40 |
| hatch | ok I'll slide the card into daily | 00:42 |
| * hatch flicks the no-more-work-today switch | 00:50 | |
| hatch | evening kadams54 | 02:24 |
| kadams54 | evening | 02:24 |
| rick_h_ | it's EOD, go to bed you guys :P | 02:24 |
| hatch | rick_h_ lol I've been debuggin a python script! | 02:25 |
| hatch | https://github.com/SublimeText/Origami/issues/59 | 02:25 |
| hatch | I want vim style PANE management | 02:25 |
| hatch | :P | 02:25 |
| hatch | also did this https://plus.google.com/118445028821328031751/posts/PLZrunniCC4 | 02:30 |
| kadams54 | Heh | 02:33 |
| kadams54 | rick_h_: your evil plans for state refactoring have run afoul of YUI. We'll have to talk more tomorrow :-) | 02:34 |
| hatch | lol | 02:36 |
| hatch | kadams54 are you going to push the state into a state array so that state[state.length-1] is the current state and state[state.lenth-2] was the previous state? | 02:37 |
| hatch | that's one approach I was thinking of | 02:37 |
| hatch | kind of a persistent data store style | 02:37 |
| kadams54 | Haven't gotten that far yet | 02:37 |
| kadams54 | Right now I'm just trying to hide current and previous state objects behind the API | 02:37 |
| kadams54 | So that clients of state don't know or care about how they're implemented | 02:38 |
| kadams54 | http://pastie.org/private/mbzgddvoyee0svattwa | 02:39 |
| kadams54 | Calling set() would set the field in the current state, and setPrevious() would set the field in the previous state. | 02:39 |
| kadams54 | But YUI tries to call set('destroyed') as part of destroy() | 02:40 |
| hatch | I think usually the states are set as complex objects | 02:40 |
| hatch | ohh yeah you're overloading set | 02:40 |
| kadams54 | Yeah | 02:40 |
| hatch | can't do that | 02:40 |
| kadams54 | Not really overloading | 02:40 |
| kadams54 | So much as colliding :-) | 02:40 |
| kadams54 | Or smashing | 02:40 |
| hatch | not on a Y.Base derived class (which is, like, all of them :) ) | 02:40 |
| kadams54 | So we'll need to figure out new names | 02:41 |
| hatch | haha yeah | 02:41 |
| hatch | state.save({...}) | 02:41 |
| kadams54 | It's not really a save | 02:42 |
| kadams54 | You're updating one field within the state object | 02:42 |
| kadams54 | update() already exists | 02:42 |
| hatch | well... | 02:42 |
| kadams54 | State objects are really simple right now - they're basically just (to use the python term) dictionaries… | 02:42 |
| hatch | save could push the current state into previous, then merge this object over the old one to create the new state | 02:43 |
| kadams54 | this._previous = { | 02:43 |
| kadams54 | charmID: null, | 02:43 |
| kadams54 | querystring: null, | 02:43 |
| kadams54 | hash: null, | 02:43 |
| kadams54 | search: null, | 02:43 |
| kadams54 | viewmode: null | 02:43 |
| kadams54 | }; | 02:43 |
| kadams54 | So if you want to update 'charmID' in the this._current state object, you'd call state.set('charmID', 'foo') | 02:43 |
| hatch | so instead of needing to 'set' you would state.save({charmID: 1234}) | 02:43 |
| kadams54 | Yeah… | 02:44 |
| hatch | and it would merge the two, giving you the value you need | 02:44 |
| kadams54 | save has conntations for me | 02:44 |
| kadams54 | It implies a wholesale change of the object | 02:44 |
| hatch | save or me means "update and dispatch" | 02:44 |
| kadams54 | Thinking about the way the mongo API uses it | 02:44 |
| kadams54 | I'd rather do something like "patch" or "update" | 02:44 |
| hatch | so update would also dispatch? | 02:44 |
| kadams54 | and then figure out a better name for the update method | 02:45 |
| kadams54 | Not sure what you mean by dispatch | 02:45 |
| hatch | after updating the state 'something' needs to dispatch the changes to update the DOM | 02:45 |
| hatch | else you're just changing a object | 02:45 |
| kadams54 | Or you're "just" changing a object | 02:46 |
| kadams54 | So that it's in the proper state for when a 'navigateView' event fires | 02:46 |
| kadams54 | And then it can generate the right URL | 02:46 |
| kadams54 | Which results in the proper parts of the DOM being updated | 02:46 |
| kadams54 | So nothing is necessarily being dispatched when the various state bits are being updated | 02:46 |
| hatch | ohh ok I was thinking of ditching the navigate view business and having state fire a 'dispatch' event which could the trigger the changes on all the listeners | 02:47 |
| hatch | because some changes aren't going to be routable | 02:47 |
| hatch | like showing the ghost inspector for example | 02:47 |
| * kadams54 sticks fingers in ears and says "la la la" | 02:48 | |
| kadams54 | That's not my concern at the moment :-) | 02:48 |
| hatch | haha - I have a problem with thinking too far ahead | 02:49 |
| hatch | anyways in YUI there is a convention for providing a single and multiple setter methods | 02:50 |
| kadams54 | I'm pretty sure rick_h_ explained how non-routable changes were handled, but I forget what he told me | 02:50 |
| kadams54 | I remember "non-navigable" or something similar being written on the whiteboard | 02:50 |
| hatch | setStyle('foo', 'bar') vs setStyles({...}) you may want to do something similar | 02:50 |
| hatch | setState() setStates() | 02:51 |
| kadams54 | Yeah | 02:51 |
| kadams54 | That would be nice | 02:51 |
| kadams54 | Although state.setStates() is a bit awkward | 02:51 |
| kadams54 | We really need a better name for the bits that make up a state | 02:52 |
| hatch | how do you mean? | 02:52 |
| hatch | if you think of each view as having a 'state' it makes sense | 02:52 |
| kadams54 | It reads as redundant to me | 02:52 |
| hatch | so State is a state manager | 02:52 |
| hatch | in a sense | 02:52 |
| kadams54 | Yeah, it really is | 02:52 |
| kadams54 | And was called that at one point | 02:52 |
| kadams54 | But browser.state is shorter that browser.stateManager | 02:53 |
| hatch | meh | 02:53 |
| hatch | :) | 02:53 |
| kadams54 | The python developer in me wanted to make it browser.sm | 02:53 |
| hatch | you should write go | 02:53 |
| hatch | then it could be b.am | 02:53 |
| hatch | lol | 02:53 |
| kadams54 | lol | 02:53 |
| hatch | we're gona be stuck with this api for a while so might as well do it 'right' :) | 02:54 |
| kadams54 | There's a convention in SQLAlchemy to have your model's manager object accessible from an m attribute, so Foobar.m.find(...) | 02:54 |
| hatch | whatever that means in this sense haha | 02:54 |
| kadams54 | Yeah | 02:54 |
| kadams54 | I think we'll get there… | 02:54 |
| kadams54 | rick_h_ and I were talking about how you have to balance small, bite-sized tasks with big picture thinking | 02:55 |
| hatch | yup | 02:56 |
| kadams54 | There needs to be a sense of where things are going (thinking ahead) so that your code is well-ordered | 02:56 |
| kadams54 | But at some point you have to zoom in again in order to start getting stuff done | 02:56 |
| hatch | setState and setStates could fire a 'stateUpdated' method on the stateManager which view/viewManagers could listen for and react to | 02:56 |
| hatch | that's probably the cleanest approach and provides a ton of flexibility | 02:57 |
| hatch | I'm not sure how to distinguish between routable and non-routable state changes | 02:57 |
| kadams54 | Yeah, there's one "clean up these views" method in browser.js that needs to be called after the update() | 02:58 |
| hatch | but that's probably for another day ) | 02:58 |
| hatch | yeah I don't like that | 02:58 |
| hatch | well....not that I don't like it | 02:58 |
| hatch | I'd prefer a more detached approach | 02:58 |
| kadams54 | Right now we just explicitly call it, e.g: | 02:58 |
| kadams54 | this.state.update() | 02:58 |
| kadams54 | this._cleanOldViews() | 02:58 |
| kadams54 | But we've talked about that needing to switch to an event-based approach on down the road | 02:58 |
| hatch | yeah it would be nice if the state module was a self contained ball which you pushed things into and it told it's listeners when something interesting happened | 02:59 |
| kadams54 | We've also talked about events in the other direction | 02:59 |
| kadams54 | That State would subscribe to other events | 02:59 |
| kadams54 | And then know when it needs to update or save based on those events | 02:59 |
| kadams54 | Then you wouldn't need to call update() or save() explicitly anywhere | 02:59 |
| hatch | hmm that feels like an inversion of responsibility on the face of it... | 03:00 |
| hatch | YUI's event system would allow it | 03:02 |
| hatch | but my head is stuck on a stateManager being a database of sorts | 03:02 |
| hatch | stateManager.listenFor('inspector:showUnit'); // pseudo code | 03:03 |
| hatch | nah that's from outside | 03:03 |
| hatch | it would have to be | 03:03 |
| hatch | this.listenFor('inspector:showUnit') | 03:04 |
| hatch | which means the stateManager would have to be updated whenever we added a new interaction to the app..... | 03:04 |
| hatch | sorry I'm just thinking about this outloud | 03:04 |
| hatch | :) | 03:04 |
| kadams54 | np | 03:35 |
| kadams54 | Sometimes you just need a sounding board | 03:36 |
| kadams54 | Though I'm heading to bed now :-) | 03:36 |
| * frankban lunches | 13:14 | |
| frankban | rick_h_: morning, can we have a call when you have a minute? | 13:53 |
| rick_h_ | frankban: sure thing | 13:54 |
| rick_h_ | frankban: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpjl135481h8o5058gu7643s | 13:55 |
| hatch | rick_h_ when you're done with frankban I need some guidance on the card I should be working on - I think all the Ready To Code's are blocked | 14:06 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: k, shoot me a url please | 14:06 |
| hatch | just reuse ^ one | 14:07 |
| hatch | :) they stay active for a bit...not sure how long without anyone in them | 14:07 |
| frankban | rick_h_: cards created | 14:10 |
| rick_h_ | frankban: thank you much | 14:14 |
| hatch | lol | 14:16 |
| * hatch waves | 14:16 | |
| rick_h_ | oops | 14:16 |
| rick_h_ | sorry about that, on the mac and bad tap on the trackpad | 14:16 |
| hatch | yeah it happens | 14:16 |
| hatch | apparently the new air's will not have a clicky trackpad | 14:16 |
| rick_h_ | anyway, does that help then? | 14:16 |
| hatch | I think that's a horrible idea | 14:16 |
| hatch | yup | 14:16 |
| hatch | thx | 14:17 |
| hatch | I'll create a card | 14:17 |
| rick_h_ | lol cool | 14:17 |
| Makyo | Whew, plumber has plans that don't involve digging up the foundation. | 14:23 |
| rick_h_ | Makyo: always a good thing :) | 14:23 |
| hatch | yay | 14:23 |
| hatch | I had an issue like that - the pipe between the floor (our water comes in in the basement floor) and the shut off was leaking but the pipe was so short I thought they may need to smash up the floor | 14:24 |
| Makyo | Yeah. Ours is this polybutylene piping that's not been used in years for good reason. No clue where the fracture is, but at least there's a fix. | 14:40 |
| hatch | yeah smashing concrete is not cheap - or fun if you're doing it yourself :) | 14:40 |
| rick_h_ | yea, had to do that when our sump died | 14:42 |
| rick_h_ | we had some funky non hole in the ground sump setup with a pump/piping through the floor | 14:43 |
| hatch | uh oh....jumpy d3's | 14:43 |
| rick_h_ | they had to bang out the floor to put in a more usualy sump | 14:43 |
| hatch | when I did my basement bathroom I had to smash in a shower drain....and carry out all the broken concrete | 14:44 |
| Makyo | hatch, QA on my branch, or trunk? | 14:45 |
| Makyo | hatch, also, what do you think about my assets vs utils comment | 14:45 |
| Makyo | ? | 14:45 |
| hatch | I don't feel very strongly about it | 14:46 |
| Makyo | oh, there are the replies, nevermind | 14:46 |
| hatch | :) | 14:46 |
| hatch | :-) | 14:47 |
| Makyo | jujugui call in 10 | 14:50 |
| rick_h_ | jujugui call in 10, kanban please | 14:50 |
| rick_h_ | curses | 14:50 |
| Makyo | Hah! | 14:51 |
| Makyo | jujugui call now ish | 15:00 |
| frankban | Makyo: branch? | 15:10 |
| Makyo | frankban, https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/208 | 15:10 |
| hatch | so that hangout used up 66% of my battery lol | 15:45 |
| hatch | wow | 15:46 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: yea, killed me here about 50% | 15:46 |
| rick_h_ | multi HD video is hard, let's go shopping | 15:46 |
| hatch | yeah there is a bandwidth scaler but there should really be a quality one too | 15:46 |
| hatch | unless the CPU load doesn't change much | 15:47 |
| rick_h_ | video card load | 15:47 |
| hatch | yeah and I have the discrete card too so that can't be easy on the battery | 15:49 |
| hatch | this 'moom' looks like it has a nice featureset | 15:49 |
| hatch | was kind of hoping for keyboard available scaling though | 15:50 |
| hatch | like window resizing in vim | 15:50 |
| hatch | pane resizing | 15:50 |
| kadams54 | If only Mac had vim | 16:01 |
| kadams54 | ;-) | 16:01 |
| hatch | haha - I was looking for one for Sublime, I found it but there is a pretty big bug in it | 16:04 |
| hatch | https://github.com/SublimeText/Origami/issues/59 | 16:06 |
| kadams54 | Which reminds me… time to give Atom a whirl | 16:07 |
| hatch | I've seen reviews that it's slower than sublime, it kind of lags, but it is still alpha.....after 6 years | 16:08 |
| hatch | lol | 16:08 |
| hatch | rick_h_ posted a good link about vim to G+ which makes an excellent case for 'modes' - too bad vim is so non-user friendly to set up and get started with | 16:25 |
| hatch | it has the core - someone just needs to write a good UI for it | 16:26 |
| rick_h_ | yea, learning curve required | 16:26 |
| hatch | well even after the learning curve it's not very user friendly | 16:26 |
| hatch | package management, trying to find keybindings, etc etc etc | 16:26 |
| hatch | I think gvim was maybe trying to do that but didn't go far enough | 16:27 |
| rick_h_ | part of the learning curve :) | 16:27 |
| hatch | lol | 16:27 |
| rick_h_ | and the board fills back up wheee | 16:34 |
| rick_h_ | here comes round 3! | 16:35 |
| hatch | any idea how we are doing on estimation vs completion? | 16:35 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: we're doing really well | 16:35 |
| hatch | noice | 16:35 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: so first cycle the math says 2 points per day per dev we did 79/86 points. This time we did 102/100 | 16:36 |
| rick_h_ | so the team is rocking it | 16:36 |
| hatch | those both include cards w/o counts too right? | 16:36 |
| kadams54 | guihelp PR for State API cleanup has landed: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/209 | 16:37 |
| hatch | kadams54 on it | 16:37 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: no, that's just cards with counts. That includes the unsched tag which I get points to | 16:37 |
| kadams54 | hatch: thanks! | 16:37 |
| rick_h_ | so it's scheduled and unscheduled work, but not counting cards like "do release" | 16:37 |
| hatch | rick_h_ ahh cool | 16:37 |
| hatch | awesome | 16:37 |
| rick_h_ | so first cycle we did 20 points of unsched work, 12 this cycle | 16:37 |
| hatch | sounds like we are right where we need to be | 16:37 |
| rick_h_ | but those go into the 79/102 completion numbers | 16:37 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: yea, definitely all good and great work from the team | 16:38 |
| kadams54 | hatch: on vim, use janus: https://github.com/carlhuda/janus | 16:38 |
| rick_h_ | I'm completely happy to put all this down for mramm | 16:38 |
| kadams54 | Janus is the Ubuntu of vim - lets you get up and running with a good set of plugins and config | 16:38 |
| rick_h_ | except don't, I'll argue with kadams54 about it over lunch now | 16:38 |
| rick_h_ | speaking of which, afk for lunch biab | 16:39 |
| kadams54 | rick_h_is crazy, but I guess we have a lunch conversation topic :-) | 16:39 |
| hatch | lol! | 16:39 |
| hatch | kadams54 I'll look at this janus at lunch later thx | 16:39 |
| === hatch__ is now known as hatch | ||
| hatch | oo this Amethyst pane manager looks really nice rick_h_ | 17:12 |
| hatch | hmm saving the db is not going to work | 17:16 |
| hatch | deltas or commands might be the best way | 17:16 |
| hatch | well it would work | 17:17 |
| hatch | but it's a lot of work | 17:17 |
| hatch | ehhhh maybe | 17:19 |
| hatch | https://twitter.com/FromAnEgg/status/449598755239497728 anyone? | 17:29 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: can you not just json.dumps(complex) ? | 17:37 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: JSON.stringify(window.location) | 17:37 |
| rick_h_ | then copy/pate? | 17:38 |
| rick_h_ | paste? | 17:38 |
| hatch | yeah I was hoping for a plugin or a script or something | 17:38 |
| hatch | so that we could generate these outputs easily for demo purposes and the like | 17:38 |
| rick_h_ | stick some dev utils on app? | 17:38 |
| rick_h_ | app.dev.dumpDB() | 17:39 |
| rick_h_ | ? | 17:39 |
| hatch | yeah I just don't want to write it myself | 17:39 |
| hatch | it feels like something that should exist | 17:39 |
| rick_h_ | JSON.stringify exists? You just need a few lines in a function to walk the data you want to output | 17:39 |
| rick_h_ | I feel like I'm missing something that makes this larger/harder than it seems | 17:40 |
| hatch | I want to pass a complex object the output from a db parse method to a json stringify which will then save that output to a text file on disk | 17:40 |
| hatch | I'd like it to not have to rely on the user to have to open the console and do manual work | 17:41 |
| hatch | it's probably easy to do via the File API but I'm asking the hivemind before i put any time on it :)' | 17:42 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: but this is for 5 devs, and we'll cache the 'suggested base' | 17:42 |
| hatch | they always ask for more demo materials lol | 17:42 |
| hatch | but I suppose | 17:42 |
| * hatch scales back | 17:42 | |
| rick_h_ | hatch: yea this is a helper for us to get through the next few weeks of dev | 17:45 |
| rick_h_ | not a published feature for 'users' | 17:45 |
| rick_h_ | so scale back to 'I can debug easier than now' | 17:45 |
| rick_h_ | type levels | 17:45 |
| rick_h_ | please :) | 17:45 |
| hatch | Oh Kay | 17:45 |
| hatch | btw you should take a look at Amethyst it looked like it was more along the lines of the requirements | 17:45 |
| hatch | for the pane manager | 17:46 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: very cool then will try that one as well | 17:47 |
| rick_h_ | back on linux now with a proper tiling WM :) | 17:47 |
| hatch | hah yeah - I think I'll install Amethyst tonight and give it a go - window management has been a big gripe of mine for osx | 17:49 |
| hatch | interestingly enough there is a max length for a console output heh | 17:51 |
| hatch | darn | 17:51 |
| hatch | hmm interesting, apparently we rely on more than just the db | 18:21 |
| hatch | :) | 18:21 |
| hatch | ok pushing into the db is not going to work | 18:25 |
| hatch | going to have to rely on deltas like we do with real envs | 18:25 |
| hatch | but first....lunch | 18:26 |
| rick_h_ | jujugui I'm running out a bit early today. Thanks for the great cycle and have a good weekend! It'll be a fun next cycle. | 19:08 |
| Makyo | Cheers, hav ea good weekend | 19:08 |
| hatch | kadams54 I'm not sure YUIDoc has a crosslink syntax like you had used there | 19:12 |
| hatch | kinda too bad really | 19:13 |
| hatch | http://yui.github.io/yuidoc/syntax/index.html | 19:13 |
| hatch | oh it does | 19:13 |
| hatch | look at that | 19:13 |
| hatch | craaaazy | 19:13 |
| hatch | learn something new every day | 19:13 |
| kadams54 | Hah, yeah. Was just going to paste this: http://yui.github.io/yuidoc/syntax/index.html#cross-referencing-modules-and-classes | 19:15 |
| kadams54 | But then you spoiled my big "booyah" moment | 19:15 |
| hatch | lol | 19:18 |
| hatch | that must be newish | 19:18 |
| hatch | I haven't seen any of this hbs stuff before | 19:18 |
| kadams54 | hatch: FYI, just finished incorporating all of your feedback into PR209 | 19:24 |
| hatch | cool - I see I was outvoted with the api calls | 19:25 |
| kadams54 | current is now getCurrent, parseRequest is loadRequest | 19:25 |
| * hatch crys | 19:25 | |
| hatch | :P | 19:25 |
| hatch | I'll live with getCurrent | 19:25 |
| kadams54 | It's a compromise, and you know what that means… | 19:25 |
| kadams54 | Nobody is happy :-) | 19:25 |
| hatch | rofl! | 19:26 |
| kadams54 | hatch: wondering if this is the Safari Selenium bug? http://ci.jujugui.org:8080/job/juju-gui/640/console | 19:32 |
| hatch | F(*@&#_)@)($)(*@$)&%*(#(# | 19:32 |
| hatch | yes | 19:32 |
| kadams54 | Wait… it seems to be in Firefox | 19:32 |
| kadams54 | JUJU_GUI_TEST_BROWSER="firefox" make test-browser-mocha | 19:33 |
| hatch | oh interesting | 19:33 |
| hatch | hmmmm | 19:33 |
| hatch | did rick_h_ get you a login for jenkins yet? | 19:33 |
| kadams54 | no | 19:34 |
| hatch | looks like it's running again | 19:34 |
| hatch | odd... | 19:34 |
| hatch | guess we'll see | 19:34 |
| kadams54 | Yeah, the second build started right up after the first… was also puzzled by that. | 19:34 |
| hatch | must have been queued up from a change | 19:34 |
| kadams54 | Fingers crossed. | 19:34 |
| hatch | I wonder if we are using an old version of anything | 19:35 |
| hatch | where an upgrade may fix this | 19:35 |
| hatch | yeah looks like we are running an older version of selenium | 19:36 |
| hatch | one version back mind you | 19:36 |
| hatch | but might be worth an upgrade | 19:36 |
| kadams54 | Same error second time around. Grrr… | 19:40 |
| kadams54 | hatch: you OK with me doing a :shipit: on the PR? | 19:41 |
| hatch | yup let'r rip | 19:41 |
| hatch | kadams54 looks like it's not passing | 19:43 |
| hatch | in firefox now | 19:44 |
| hatch | lemme take a look at the failure | 19:44 |
| hatch | lol | 19:44 |
| hatch | https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/blob/develop/test/browser.py#L205-L209 | 19:45 |
| kadams54 | *sigh* | 19:45 |
| kadams54 | It doesn't look like the CI is picking up my :shipit: comment… | 19:46 |
| hatch | it did | 19:47 |
| hatch | "Status: merge request accepted...." | 19:47 |
| kadams54 | Oh, yeah, n/m | 19:47 |
| kadams54 | Just saw that show up | 19:47 |
| hatch | to debug ci we might need to run it from an ec2 instance or the like | 19:48 |
| hatch | I think this might be a selenium bug | 19:50 |
| hatch | er sauce labs & selenium | 19:50 |
| hatch | it might be caused by the api not returning properly | 19:52 |
| hatch | kadams54 `url = '%s%s' % (self._url, path)` is this just a string replace? | 19:57 |
| kadams54 | Yeah | 19:57 |
| hatch | ok I see the problem....now why is it being caused... | 19:57 |
| kadams54 | Equivalent of `url = self._url + path` | 19:57 |
| hatch | somehow that's returning None | 19:58 |
| hatch | so self._url and path would both need to be None? | 19:58 |
| hatch | RemoteConnection | 20:01 |
| hatch | ok I 'think' that the issue is that the api is not connecting | 20:03 |
| kadams54 | Even if both of those were None, you'd still end up with a string… | 20:03 |
| kadams54 | >>> foo = '%s%s' % (None, None) | 20:03 |
| kadams54 | >>> foo | 20:03 |
| kadams54 | 'NoneNone' | 20:03 |
| hatch | that's very odd then, no? | 20:03 |
| kadams54 | Yes, very odd. | 20:03 |
| hatch | somehow the merge run is going off properly | 20:04 |
| hatch | this has to be a connection issue with the saucelabs api | 20:05 |
| hatch | stepping through the code that's what it looks like is going on... | 20:05 |
| hatch | I'm wondering if somehow it makes a connection then gets cut off | 20:07 |
| hatch | then when it tries to do the url bits there isn't anything there any longer | 20:07 |
| hatch | because the only difference between the merge project and the PR one is the port | 20:11 |
| kadams54 | I'm heading out for the weekend - if it's still an issue on Monday, I'll help dig into it | 20:13 |
| hatch | have a good weekend | 20:13 |
| hatch | cya | 20:13 |
| kadams54 | You too | 20:14 |
| hatch | lazyPower creating an environment and then logging into it from multiple computers seems to be a real question people are asking....do you simply need to copy the environments.yaml from machine to machine? | 21:05 |
| lazyPower | You should copy the entire .juju directory from machine to machine, or use a jump host | 21:06 |
| hatch | if someone deletes this .juju/ would they be sol? | 21:06 |
| marcoceppi | hatch: pretty much | 21:07 |
| marcoceppi | unless you've backed up the environment | 21:08 |
| marcoceppi | hatch: there's a .jenv which has the keys required to do the SSL auth to the api server, etc | 21:08 |
| hatch | is this being addressed? Maybe by caching it in the bootstrap node? | 21:08 |
| marcoceppi | i mean, your environment will continue running | 21:08 |
| hatch | this is just me spitballing, I'll write up a blog post about it too just so there is something to point ppl to | 21:08 |
| hatch | right, but you can't juju with it :) | 21:09 |
| marcoceppi | you just won't be able to connect to it anymore | 21:09 |
| rick_h_ | marcoceppi: "just won't be able to connect" to your production environment seems scary | 21:10 |
| rick_h_ | I know I hit this in our azure env for CI. | 21:10 |
| marcoceppi | same problem if you delete your .ssh directory | 21:10 |
| rick_h_ | as I was blowing things away because of using the dev juju releases in trusty | 21:10 |
| marcoceppi | I mean, we can only safe guard people so far | 21:11 |
| rick_h_ | except I write to that, not a magic service | 21:11 |
| rick_h_ | right | 21:11 |
| marcoceppi | rick_h_: there's a backup command to backup your environment connect data | 21:11 |
| rick_h_ | marcoceppi: oh ok, so maybe I need to cron up some form of backup using that as I sync my .ssh dir around my machines | 21:11 |
| hatch | marcoceppi oh really? | 21:11 |
| hatch | I didn't know about this command | 21:11 |
| rick_h_ | it's a bit easier to sync ssh because you dno't have a local on each machine that's different/etc | 21:11 |
| marcoceppi | juju backup I believe | 21:11 |
| marcoceppi | it has no help stuff though | 21:12 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: yea, good thing to look into and write up. I know it's something others have hit | 21:12 |
| marcoceppi | there's a juju backup and juju restore | 21:12 |
| hatch | ahh yeah it's missing from the juju help commands list | 21:12 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: how did the 'load the data' go today? | 21:12 |
| marcoceppi | hatch: it's a plugin | 21:12 |
| marcoceppi | juju help plugins | 21:12 |
| marcoceppi | but it doesn't have an -h flag, at least not on the version juju I'm running | 21:13 |
| hatch | rick_h_ I know what won't work :) we are going to have to simulate a 'delta' | 21:13 |
| hatch | so a little more work but should work just like you're interacting with a real env....I hope | 21:13 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: ok interesting | 21:14 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: also see CI got angry but looks like it's satisfied now | 21:14 |
| hatch | rick_h_ open a develop instance and then paste this in the console https://gist.github.com/0cea96d605a2b8cbb2c7 and run preload() | 21:15 |
| hatch | you can open the inspector but nothing works.... | 21:15 |
| hatch | even moving the service blocks doesn't keep the relation lines tracking | 21:15 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 21:15 |
| rick_h_ | yea, not enough metadata bound material | 21:15 |
| rick_h_ | databound/etc | 21:15 |
| rick_h_ | ok, well an initial delta seems quite sane, even what happens when we load from a real env | 21:16 |
| hatch | rick_h_ yeah I spent some time tracking down the CI issue - I'm pretty confident it's a connection issue between sauce and our ci | 21:16 |
| rick_h_ | so look forward to seeing a way to trick that into the websocket client stuff | 21:16 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: yea, it's what I think as well. Just something in the tubes and depending on where the tests are at the time you get different issues | 21:16 |
| hatch | yeah I'm a little concerned about the sandbox env having to parse deltas.....we'll see | 21:17 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: but it's not in canonistack/proxied and such so not sure how to make it better for sauce | 21:17 |
| hatch | rick_h_ yeah - there are very odd python issues.....somehow url is a NoneType when it should be a String | 21:17 |
| hatch | I THINK the azure networking isn't so good | 21:17 |
| hatch | or maybe it's just the machines we are on | 21:17 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: hmm, I guess we could try to bring it up on ec2 for a few weeks and compare. | 21:17 |
| hatch | it might be another symptom of the http request issue....just so slow it hangs up....maybe? | 21:17 |
| rick_h_ | takes a little bit to get it resetup and to get this size of machine on ec2 would be more $$ | 21:18 |
| hatch | marcoceppi thanks for the information | 21:18 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: k, well I think a test is worthwhile so will try to see if we can find time to tinker with that. At least narrow it to our tests or the platform | 21:18 |
| hatch | yeah - what about DigiOcean? | 21:18 |
| hatch | should be pretty cheap | 21:19 |
| rick_h_ | well, this thing needs several GB of ram to run <3 java | 21:19 |
| hatch | ohh | 21:19 |
| rick_h_ | and we're using two machines | 21:19 |
| hatch | damn java | 21:19 |
| rick_h_ | but I can run a 4 or 8gb ec2 box for a couple of weeks | 21:19 |
| rick_h_ | and compare | 21:19 |
| hatch | would be cool if we could use a single box and run all these services with juju :) | 21:20 |
| rick_h_ | and my setup scripts will be about the same since they're both juju providers | 21:20 |
| rick_h_ | right, it would be cool to make the lander a subordinate and get a 'juju action' for a jenkins backup/restore | 21:20 |
| hatch | how could of a story would this be? Azure wasn't working so we pointed our env to ec2 and it 'just-worked' :) | 21:20 |
| rick_h_ | it's the story we're working towards for sure | 21:21 |
| hatch | s/could/good | 21:21 |
| hatch | jcsackett let me know if you want to work on the ghost charm - a partner might be what I need to get me moving on it :) I also want to start using it so.... :) | 21:23 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: take a peek at https://github.com/jdorn/juju-gui/compare/develop...json-editor-service-config if you get some time | 21:24 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: it might be something I'll ask you to peek at and talk with jeremy about some in the coming weeks | 21:24 |
| jcsackett | hatch: i'm totally game to work on it again. i can't believe it's been since like october since i last touched it. | 21:24 |
| hatch | rick_h_ ok no problem - I have a problem with generating forms outside of a templating system but maybe I can be convinced :) | 21:26 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: well, it can be tweaked :) | 21:26 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: and besides, what do we do now? | 21:26 |
| hatch | jcsackett hah yeah I did some work fairly recently on it to start getting it closer to being ready but that darn http interface has just been glaring at me | 21:26 |
| hatch | rick_h_ PE - we render the markup with the template then use delegation on the fields | 21:27 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: gotcha | 21:27 |
| jcsackett | hatch: setting up http-relation isn't terrible hard, iirc. | 21:27 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: yea, the implementation needs some tweaking to fit our code but I love the general idea of sticking to a better schema. | 21:27 |
| jcsackett | hatch: if i get some time this weekend, might be able to put something together. | 21:27 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: so we might have to hold a couple of talks on databinding needs, rendering needs, etc | 21:27 |
| hatch | jcsackett no but I end up in analysis paralyses because I'm trying to build it so it can do load balancing and everything lol | 21:28 |
| hatch | jcsackett that would be very cool | 21:28 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: baby steps man :) | 21:28 |
| jcsackett | hatch: oh, yeah. don't do that. just make it work first. :p | 21:28 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: linux wasn't built in a day | 21:28 |
| hatch | rick_h_ tbh I see value in a react like system for this stuff | 21:28 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: what's react got to do with it? | 21:28 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: as far as a schema/validation/etc? | 21:28 |
| hatch | the databinding | 21:28 |
| hatch | validation could be done using a similar technique to what we are doing now | 21:29 |
| hatch | I don't see why the validation rules can't be put in the YAML as well | 21:29 |
| rick_h_ | I guess I still need to look at the *how* for that. I mean nothing prevents us from shadow dom'ing things etc. | 21:29 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: they will in a sense | 21:29 |
| rick_h_ | the Schema will support field that define valid | 21:29 |
| rick_h_ | so by working to the schema we'll have things in the yaml to provide validation rules | 21:30 |
| rick_h_ | that will have to be tied to the databinding | 21:30 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: anywa, just a general fyi. | 21:30 |
| hatch | yeah there is lots to chat about | 21:30 |
| * rick_h_ has melted brain and is going to run back away | 21:30 | |
| hatch | haha | 21:30 |
| hatch | jcsackett I've been hoping someone would write a nginx charm which we could use for http | 21:31 |
| hatch | that has not happened yet unfortunately | 21:32 |
| hatch | jcsackett there is also things like 'how do we theme a juju deployed ghost blog', 'how do we backup', etc etc | 21:34 |
| jcsackett | hatch: yeah, charming up nginx is beyond me. but that would be nice. | 21:40 |
| jcsackett | and the themeing and stuff is definitely an open question, esp now that they have actual themes. | 21:40 |
| hatch | yeah.... | 21:41 |
| hatch | so my plan is to create a bundle which deploys apache, mysql, ghost all to a boostrap node | 21:41 |
| hatch | and a bundle which makes them all separate | 21:41 |
| hatch | should be a good first step for a 'public' release | 21:42 |
| hatch | I also have to migrate my blog posts and urls from tumblr to ghost so that's another thing I have to keep in mind | 21:44 |
| hatch | so I think I 'need' apache for that | 21:44 |
| hatch | or nginx of course | 21:44 |
| hatch | but yeah....no nginx charm | 21:44 |
| hatch__ | rick_h_ oops, thanks for finding that other bug | 21:51 |
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| hatch | moom is working pretty cool | 23:18 |
| hatch | have some layouts defined | 23:18 |
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