[00:16]  * yofel upload a calligra that hopefully builds (i.e. with sgclark's patch)
[00:17] <ahoneybun> howdy
[00:17] <sgclark> yofel: the same calligra I have been working on?
[00:17] <yofel> sgclark: trusty in my case
[00:17] <sgclark> that is the one
[00:18] <yofel> ah hm, sorry, is there something that's to be done other than add the patch?
[00:19] <yofel> oh, 4.12.97 is up
[00:19] <yofel> anyone uploading it?
[00:19] <yofel> if not then I'll do it in ~10min
[00:25] <sgclark> yofel: not that I can see. I have been at this for 14 hours though, so saucy build will have to wait until tomorrow sorry
[00:26] <yofel> sgclark: no problem, I didn't hear back from you so I just went ahead and upload it with the patch included, sorry again if you were still on it
[00:26] <yofel> now to hope that it'll work this time
[00:27] <sgclark> yofel: [14:52] <sgclark> yofel: verified, moving forward , but anyway, hopefully it will build. I will work on saucy with that if it does. Thanks for your help today
[00:29] <yofel> thanks for helping out as well :)
[05:17] <jose> hello, everyone!
[05:21] <jose> Riddell: an update on the broken login on the wiki RT ticket, alexlist mentioned it's gotten a bit more priority. If it's not fixed in the following days I'll see what can I do and poke some other people
[06:04] <jose> valorie: ping, around?
[06:04] <valorie> hi jose
[06:05] <jose> hey! I was checking http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu.org/revision/13 and bug #745631, and was wondering if it's worth to change the copyright date from the page to display 2010-2014
[06:06] <jose> current fix would be to put 2012-2014, but actually 2010 was the original date, so that's why I have a bit of a doubt
[06:06] <valorie> I don't have much to do with the website, jose, but I second your idea
[06:06] <jose> yep, I just wanted a second opinion :)
[06:06] <jose> thank you!
[06:06] <valorie> I should say something like 2010-$present year
[06:08] <jose> previous committer said the php code wasn't working, so hardcoding it is the best option
[06:08] <jose> fixing it now and will poke IS in a min
[06:08] <valorie> well, getting good code would be a nice start!
[06:08] <valorie> hardcoding is ...
[06:08] <jose> :P
[06:09]  * jose googles for working code
[06:21] <jose> would 'Kubuntu and Canonical are registered trademarks of Canonical Ltd.' still be valid?
[06:24] <jose> valorie: ^
[06:31] <valorie> yes
[06:32] <valorie> the name is not ours, but their
[06:32] <valorie> s
[06:32] <jose> gotcha
[07:50] <snele> guys I have failed krite updates in 14.04
[07:50] <snele> error: http://www.dodaj.rs/f/36/vG/A10O6HH/snapshot21.png
[07:51] <valorie> hmmm, could be a packaging error
[07:54] <valorie> installing calligra to check
[07:57] <valorie> and now updating
[07:58] <valorie> both calligra and krita are being upgraded
[07:58] <valorie> using apt-get
[08:04] <snele> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:04] <snele>  krita : Depends: calligra-libs (= 1:2.8.0-0ubuntu4) but 1:2.8.1-0ubuntu2 is installed
[08:04] <snele>  sudo apt-get -f install 
[08:04] <snele> fixed it
[08:04] <valorie> hmmm, I had an error as well
[08:05] <valorie> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:05] <valorie>  /var/cache/apt/archives/krita_1%3a2.8.1-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[08:05] <valorie> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:06] <valorie> odd, running sudo apt-get -f install reinstalled krita
[08:06] <valorie> or rather, upgraded, although supposedly it already was
[08:07] <jose> valorie: what version of krita do you have now?
[08:12] <valorie> 2.8.1
[08:13] <valorie> same with you?
[08:13] <jose> give me a sec so it can download and install
[08:13] <jose> though packages.ubuntu.com lists 2.8.0
[08:14] <valorie> when you ran sudo apt-get -f install, what did it do?
[08:15] <jose> not the original guy who asked the question, but let me try
[08:15] <valorie> oops
[08:15] <valorie> sorry, jose
[08:15] <jose> if it's a bug, it's to be reported :)
[08:16] <valorie> which is why I installed, to see if we got the same errors
[08:16] <valorie> snele: when you ran sudo apt-get -f install, what happened?
[08:19] <snele> valorie: it upgraded krita
[08:19] <snele> full log: http://paste.kde.org/pdrty03kk
[08:19] <valorie> snele: if you file a bug, i'll confirm
[08:24] <snele> valorie: it seems that it is already reported
[08:24] <snele> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calligra/+bug/1298805
[08:27] <jose> I installed successfully in saucy
[08:31] <valorie> snele: thanks for finding the bug report; I added my apt-get errors
[08:32] <snele> valorie: launchpad found it when I tried to report the bug ;)
[08:34] <valorie> nice
[09:18] <apachelogger> sgclark, Riddell: more conflicts bug 1298805
[09:38] <Riddell> bah
[10:09] <sgclark> Riddell: apachelogger: sorry I needed a nap... there was an issue with md5sums. yofel inadvertanly uploaded something. I am working on it now.
[10:09] <yofel> all I did was fix the build failure
[10:11] <sgclark> hmm, that new error should not be there then. looking 
[10:12] <apachelogger> well
[10:12] <apachelogger> it's different packages conflicting
[10:13] <apachelogger> so the one from yesterday doesn't really have anything to do with this one ^^
[10:13] <yofel> there's breaks/replaces for the second error, with the wrong version
[10:18] <sgclark> I see it yofel, fixing
[10:21] <Riddell> jussi: bounced you an e-mail about some chap selling kubuntu polo shirts, not sure what to say
[10:25] <jussi> Riddell: heh
[10:25] <jussi> Im unsure also
[10:25] <Riddell> jose: thanks for fixing those links
[10:26] <Riddell> jussi: then I think I'll just tell him that's fine (if canonical trademark is fine with it) but we're happy doing our own thing
[10:26] <jussi> Riddell: for me, Im happy to let them do it or Im happy to keep doing it. that said, the official shop is nice to have, especially with the work that I am/have done for the next shop implementation
[10:34] <Riddell> jussi: I doubt I trust it as much as yours :)
[10:35] <jussi> Riddell: hehe, fair point  :D
[10:41] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:46] <apachelogger> yofel, shadeslayer: bind mounting with lxc is a bit nasty
[10:47] <apachelogger> you actually have to define the full host target mount path (i.e. /var/lib/lxc/containerwhoop/rootfs/root/mount)
[10:47] <apachelogger> which is a drag because it of course makes the containter not relocatable, not that big a deal but nasty nonetheless
[10:48] <apachelogger> plus, it appears to me lxc-start-ephemeral doesn't actually manage to snapshot this correctly, so you probably end up manually twiddling the values in the config of the snapshot or something
[11:10] <agateau> Sput: I don't maintain libdbusmenu-qt anymore :/
[11:18] <Riddell> sgclark: how's calligra getting on?
[11:18] <Riddell> I lost track of where it was
[11:18] <sgclark> Riddell: fixed, building and testing first
[11:18] <Riddell> lovely
[11:19] <sgclark> someone upstream uploaded a new tarball messing yofel and myself up >.<
[11:19] <Riddell> pesky upstream
[11:19] <sgclark> a broken one at that!
[12:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: phonon issue, where should this header be?  http://paste.kde.org/pkzxwknhi
[12:28] <Riddell> it's in /usr/include/phonon4qt5/phonon/Phonon/AbstractMediaStream
[12:28] <apachelogger> mh
[12:28] <apachelogger> that's wrong
[12:29] <apachelogger> I think(tm)
[12:29] <Riddell> but where's right?
[12:30] <apachelogger>  /usr/include/phonon4qt5/Phonon/AbstractMediaStream
[12:30] <apachelogger> FWIW, those includse are deprecated
[12:30] <apachelogger> shoudl be changed to phonon/AbstractMediaStream
[12:30] <apachelogger> -- Up-to-date: /usr/include/phonon4qt5/KDE/Phonon/AbstractAudioOutput
[12:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think that's debian/kubuntu logic moving them around
[12:31] <apachelogger> KDE/Phonon is also somewhat wrong though
[12:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll put it on my todo, to fix it change the includes in runtime please
[12:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: seems to work, probably my packaging bug then
[12:54] <Riddell> sgclark: another calligra change I'm afriad
[12:55] <Riddell> sgclark: could you get rid of the bits that explicitly use gcc 4.7?
[12:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, KDE/Phonon/ works?
[12:55] <Riddell> sgclark: doko just built it with default gcc and says it works
[12:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes seesm to
[12:56] <apachelogger> curious
[12:56] <apachelogger> well, maybe the cmake config adds the path correctly
[12:56] <apachelogger> which is possible since the KDE/* stuff is meant as compat for when phonon moved out of kdelibs
[12:57] <Riddell> having two headers just seems inelegant to me
[12:57] <Riddell> I blame qt4 
[12:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do you mean?
[12:58] <apachelogger> there's only one haeder, there's just two camels :P
[13:02] <Riddell> crazy I tell you
[13:03] <BluesKaj> system settings>multimedia can't open audio&video settings, the cursor just sits there rotating. Checked the logs but i don't see any error
[13:04] <sgclark> Riddell: I hope that is the cause that makes pbuilder fail. How do I find bits that use that?
[13:05] <Riddell> sgclark: it's just the build-depends in debian/control and the two lines setting variables in debian/rules
[13:05] <Riddell> sgclark: what failure are you getting?
[13:07] <sgclark> Riddell: does pbuilder have a log?
[13:07] <apachelogger> ~/pbuilder/*_result
[13:08] <apachelogger> if you are using pbuilder-dist anyway, which you should 
[13:08] <sgclark> Riddell: terminal cuts off before Error 1 and Error 2 is useless, thanks apachelogger
[13:08] <sgclark> oh? did not know that
[13:09] <apachelogger> takes away most of the shittyness of pbuilder
[13:09] <sgclark> well I like the sound of that, using that from now on
[13:44] <apachelogger> yofel: ping
[14:37] <jose> Riddell: hey, mind a quick PM?
[15:11] <Riddell> hi jose 
[15:11] <Riddell> go ahead
[15:31] <Riddell> sgclark: more changes for calligra http://paste.ubuntu.com/7168983/
[15:33] <sgclark> Riddell: what am I looking at? I did the gcc , the vc bit?
[15:33] <Riddell> sgclark: oh then all good, didn't think you had the vc change
[15:34] <sgclark> Riddell: I didn't, was asking, ok fixing again lol
[15:34] <Riddell> sgclark: yeah add the vc bit then
[15:36]  * ahoneybun is a friend of gnome
[15:37] <Riddell> ?!
[15:37] <ahoneybun> lol
[15:37] <sgclark> ack
[15:37] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1299059] kwalletd crashed with SIGSEGV in QCoreApplicationPrivate::sendPostedEvents() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1299059 (by Javier Rivera)
[15:37] <ahoneybun> I'm friends of all 
[15:38] <ahoneybun> *a friend of everyone
[15:38] <Riddell> ahoneybun: kde supporting member?
[15:38] <ahoneybun> no that takes the money right away
[15:38] <ahoneybun> gnome takes payments
[15:39] <ahoneybun> I do wish to support that way as well
[15:40]  * ahoneybun has ubuntu GNOME on his macbook
[15:41]  * sgclark is 100% Kubuntu now :)
[15:42] <ahoneybun> is it so wrong to donate the other project?
[15:42] <sgclark> lol no
[15:43] <sgclark> I am coming from gentoo, kubuntu has spoiled me lol
[15:43]  * ahoneybun wants his mousepad and stickers from his 2012 donation to gnome
[15:47] <Riddell> sgclark: ah, gentoo, that explain why you like compiling things :)
[15:47] <sgclark> lol
[16:07] <Riddell> it's... littlegirl!
[16:07] <littlegirl> Hey there. (:
[16:12] <Riddell> littlegirl: tried the new beta yet?
[16:12] <littlegirl> No, sorry. I should grab it and see. (:
[16:13] <littlegirl> Riddell: Got a link?
[16:13] <ahoneybun> omg littlegirl
[16:14] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Heh. (:
[16:14] <ahoneybun> I keep thinking of bioshock with your name lol
[16:14] <littlegirl> Sorry about that. I got the handle a long time before I got onto the internet, and I just kept it. (:
[16:15] <ahoneybun> just funny
[16:15] <ahoneybun> have you seen the docs progress littlegirl?
[16:15] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: No, but I saw in the mailing list that there was some huge oversight that got fixed at the last second.
[16:16] <littlegirl> I would help out more with the Kubuntu docs if you guys used BZR and DocBook or Mallard. (:
[16:16]  * littlegirl is not a wiki type of person
[16:16] <ahoneybun> we are on userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu now
[16:16] <littlegirl> Still a wiki?
[16:17] <Riddell> littlegirl: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/TrustyTahr/Beta2/Kubuntu
[16:17] <ahoneybun> mediawiki now
[16:17] <littlegirl> Riddell: Thanks - grabbing. (:
[16:18] <littlegirl> It's gonna take 12 minutes. (:
[16:19] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Well, if you guys ever go back to BZR and Mallard or DocBook, let me know, and I'll jump in. (:
[16:20] <Riddell> littlegirl:  in the mean time I'm sure there's other bits you can help with, like testing and fixing
[16:20] <littlegirl> Riddell: Testing I can do. What kind of fixing?
[16:20] <Riddell> you can jump into packaging, help out sgclark 
[16:20] <Riddell> littlegirl: well fixing whatever bugs you find during testing :)
[16:21] <littlegirl> Riddell: LOL - I'm not a programmer. (:
[16:21] <littlegirl> I tried getting involved with man pages, but got no response.
[16:21] <maco> littlegirl: packaging isnt programming
[16:21] <Riddell> packaging isn't programming, and it does involve bzr :)
[16:21] <Riddell> littlegirl: oh I've got a manpage I need help with if you want to do one
[16:22] <littlegirl> Riddell: Ooh, if it involves bzr, it intrigues me. (:
[16:22] <littlegirl> Riddell: Okay, which one?
[16:22] <littlegirl> Riddell: I've written the Ktrash one, but haven't given it to anyone yet.
[16:22] <Riddell> littlegirl: the man page is the qt5options and kde5options page which badly need updated
[16:23] <Riddell> littlegirl: packaging, well there's almost always things to package, today we need akonadi, I can give you a tutorial any time
[16:23] <littlegirl> I kind of try to find a hole and fill it, and nobody seems to be writing missing man pages, so I wanted to take that on, but when it came up in the mailing list, interest seemed to fade, and I wasn't able to find others who shared mine. (:
[16:23] <Riddell> littlegirl: which mailing list?
[16:23] <littlegirl> Riddell: Hang on, let me find it.
[16:24] <Riddell> littlegirl: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-frameworks-devel/2014-January/009815.html
[16:27] <littlegirl> Riddell: It's the wiki vs documentation thread here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-September/thread.html
[16:28] <littlegirl> Riddell: So I guess you wouldn't have seen it. (:
[16:28] <littlegirl> Is Trusty going to be an LTS?
[16:29] <Riddell> littlegirl: ah yes, ubuntu probably cares less about about manpages than debian do.  but that kf5options one certanly needs doing, let me know if you want to try it
[16:29] <Riddell> littlegirl: yes it is, all 5 years of it
[16:30] <littlegirl> Woohoo! (:
[16:30] <littlegirl> Riddell: Okay, looking to see what, exactly, you guys want done to that man page.
[16:31] <Riddell> littlegirl: you'll need to install KF5 stuff to see what works, neon5 would be the way to do that
[16:31] <littlegirl> Riddell: Do you want http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-frameworks-devel/2014-January/009815.html added to the man page? Or do you need someone to test which options are valid and make sure only the currently valid ones are in it?
[16:32] <littlegirl> Riddell: Can I do that in a VM? I've only got one computer (unless you count my tablet). (:
[16:32] <Riddell> littlegirl: I think that's me saying what's in the manpages just now, and it needs checked which are valid
[16:32] <Riddell> littlegirl: the rest of that thread has people saying which ones are valid but it probably still needs checked
[16:32] <littlegirl> Riddell: Okay, and if I install neon5, how would I test which ones are valid?
[16:32] <littlegirl> Riddell: I can test if I know how. (:
[16:33] <Riddell> littlegirl: you can use a VM or an ec2 cloud computer but neon5 installs alongside your normal software so there's no danger in installing it
[16:33] <Riddell> littlegirl: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE#Using_Project_Neon_5_for_Frameworks_5_Development
[16:35] <littlegirl> Riddell: I think I'll put it in a VM. Is it okay to do it in the Trusty beta, or would I be better off grabbing a known stable release to use it in?
[16:36] <Riddell> littlegirl: trusty beta is all good
[16:38] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1299059] kwalletd crashed with SIGSEGV in QCoreApplicationPrivate::sendPostedEvents() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1299059 (by Javier Rivera)
[16:39] <littlegirl> Riddell: Ooooh, I've got it. Let me install it and see what's new and exciting. (:
[16:39] <Riddell> sgclark: he filed a bug too https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calligra/+bug/1299096
[16:40] <sgclark> ok
[16:40] <littlegirl> Riddell: VirtualBox really ought to have an icon for Kubuntu rather than auto-detecting as Ubuntu when you create a VM in it.
[16:42] <Riddell> :)
[16:43] <Riddell> it's all the same thing
[16:43] <shadeslayer> xnox: ping https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1299099
[16:44] <littlegirl> I still feel strongly that the installation should get rid of the "Install now" button and replace it with a "Next" button, because there is still more to the installation process when you are required to press that button. "Install now" is a very *final* thing to have on a button.
[16:45] <Riddell> littlegirl: it's needs more than just "next" it's formatting your hard disk!
[16:45] <littlegirl> Riddell: Not at the Disk Setup step. That happens later when you get to the partitioning.
[16:46] <littlegirl> Riddell: I am an idiot. Feel free to kick me in the head.
[16:46]  * littlegirl kicks self in head
[16:46] <Riddell> ouch! don't do that!
[16:46] <littlegirl> Couldn't help it. (:
[16:47] <littlegirl> Installing! This seems to be faster than the last time I installed Kubuntu.
[16:48] <littlegirl> Riddell: I still think the button text needs to change. Maybe "Begin installing" rather than "Install now" because there are still screens after the Disk Setup screen in which the user has to make choices.
[16:50] <Riddell> I think when it was discussed on the mailing list it conluded with something like "begin install and continue setup"
[16:50] <Riddell> littlegirl: it's a little faffy though because you have to make sure it's translated
[16:50] <Riddell> littlegirl: bzr patches welcome though :)
[16:51] <littlegirl> Riddell: LOL - no, they're not! This got discussed at length in the mailing list and I lost hard. (:
[16:57] <littlegirl> Installation hung on the reboot after installation: http://imagebin.org/302391
[16:57] <littlegirl> Excuse my pink and purple system colors. I love them, but many people are shocked by them. (:
[16:59] <littlegirl> I can send the shutdown signal or power off the machine.
[17:00] <littlegirl> Sending the shutdown signal did nothing, so I powered off the machine. Now to see if it installed or not. (:
[17:01] <Riddell> littlegirl: someone else reported the same but it work fine for me
[17:02] <littlegirl> Riddell: It seems to have installed just fine and I'm in. I'm gonna shut it down and take a snapshot before I mess with it. (:
[17:07] <littlegirl> Just curious, but why did you guys get rid of the little cashew in the upper right corner and replace it with a rectangular button offset from the right edge? It's been that way for several releases now and I never saw any mention of why.
[17:07] <Riddell> littlegirl: nothing to do with us (kubuntu) that'll have been a decision of the kde plasma developers
[17:08] <Riddell> littlegirl: but it's probably because a cashew is a bit of a random thing to include
[17:08] <littlegirl> Riddell: I kind of liked the cashew. (:
[17:08] <Riddell> there's still a cashew in the bottom right on the toolbar
[17:08] <littlegirl> Riddell: Exactly. I wonder why they got rid of one and left us with the other. (:
[17:10] <apachelogger> Riddell, sgclark: bug 1299096
[17:13] <sgclark> apachelogger: yep got it
[17:13] <sgclark> ty
[17:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: don't hassle her! she's working as fast as she can!
[17:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: does neon5 use qt 5.3 git?
[17:16] <apachelogger> I am not hassling I am just point out that doko also has nice fixes for us :P
[17:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[17:17] <littlegirl> Riddell: Installing neon5 - it's taking a while. (:
[17:17] <Riddell> littlegirl: yes there's a lot to it
[17:21] <yofel> apachelogger: pong
[17:22] <apachelogger> yofel: have you ever had problems with containers not being able to speak to the outside world?
[17:22] <apachelogger> I have the most peculiar routing problems
[17:23] <yofel> yes, and I never figured out why (where my issue was getting no IP over dhcp)
[17:23] <apachelogger> yofel: on trusty or saucy already?
[17:23] <yofel> the workaround for that was to install libvirt-bin and switch to use virbr instead of lxcbr
[17:23] <yofel> apachelogger: I'm on trusty mostly (haven't see it there yet)
[17:23] <apachelogger> ah yeah, if you have libvirt it will grab the bridge before lxc
[17:24] <apachelogger> thing is ip works just fine, the host just doesn't want to forward route stuff
[17:24] <apachelogger> i.e. I can ping the host, but I cannot ping my local router
[17:24] <yofel> hm, that's weird. For me it was the DHCPOFFER from dnsmasq never arriving in the container
[17:24] <littlegirl> Riddell: Do you want both kdeoptions and qtoptions man pages to be updated? And do you have a preference for which KDE and QT applications should be used to test the options?
[17:26] <yofel> apachelogger: FWIW, that's with the virt and lxc bridges. My server has eth0 bridged and that always worked fine so far
[17:27] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:27] <Riddell> littlegirl: yep, kf5options and qt5options which are now in https://projects.kde.org/projects/frameworks/kdoctools/repository/revisions/master/show/docs
[17:27] <Riddell> littlegirl: they should be options available to all qt and kde applications so test with any you can
[17:33] <littlegirl> Riddell: Do I need git to use that link? I grabbed the tarball, but can't seem to find the man pages in it. Sorry, I'm a newb (n00b?) at this. (:
[17:37] <Riddell> littlegirl: you can download individual files e.g. the download link here https://projects.kde.org/projects/frameworks/kdoctools/repository/revisions/master/changes/docs/qt5options/man-qt5options.7.docbook
[17:37] <Riddell> littlegirl: but probably easiest to just get a git clone
[17:37] <Riddell> littlegirl: git is like bzr but alas much more complex
[17:56] <littlegirl> Riddell: Okay, thanks for all the info. I copied all of the messages in the mailing list thread to a text file and will compare what's in them with what's in the man pages and then test all of them. I'll update both man pages and can send them updated files to you directly by email if you like and if you're happy with them you can put them in the git repository. Or, if you want me to use the git repository directly, you might 
[17:56] <littlegirl> want to give me Absolutely Idiot Proof Instructions for the basics that I would need to grab the files, make changes, and upload my changes without stepping on somebody else's work. (:
[18:00] <Riddell> littlegirl: either way, e-mailing me is fine
[18:02] <littlegirl> Riddell: Email it is, then. Easier for me. Then I can focus on the testing and the writing, which is the fun part. (:
[18:02] <littlegirl> Riddell: Is there a deadline on this?
[18:05] <Riddell> littlegirl: not especially, june 1st I guess https://community.kde.org/Frameworks/Epics
[18:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: mind packaging 4.12.97
[18:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hmm, I'm kindae trying to be release manager for plasma next currently
[18:13] <littlegirl> Riddell: Oh, I'll be done long before then. (:
[18:13] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:13] <shadeslayer> monday tehn
[18:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yofel put it into the ppa
[18:14] <shadeslayer> awesome beans
[18:14] <littlegirl> Riddell: Shall I ignore "Bus::Open:Can not get ibus-daemon's address." messages as long as I don't get any red errors in neon5?
[18:14] <yofel> coffee beans? :D
[18:15] <Riddell> littlegirl: mm, if it works then you can ignore it I guess
[18:16]  * genii hears something about coffee, investigates, then goes back to work
[18:18] <littlegirl> Riddell: So just to be certain, if I do Test 1 with a single dash before caption like this: http://imagebin.org/302410 and I do Test 2 with two dashes before caption like this: http://imagebin.org/302411 then even though both give that ibus-daemon's address warning, Test 2 is the good test and the correct syntax to use based on those results, right? 
[18:19] <littlegirl> Riddell: I forgot to add that the single dash one fails because of the red warnings, right? Sorry, I'm just trying to be certain where the parameters of my box are so I know how to interpret my test results. (:
[18:20] <Riddell> littlegirl: I'd ignore those warnings and see what the application does
[18:20] <Riddell> if they both set the caption then they're both correct
[18:21] <littlegirl> Riddell: What if it opens in both cases, as it did in that test?
[18:21] <littlegirl> Riddell: And in both tests, the caption was properly applied to Kate.
[18:21] <Riddell> littlegirl: then they're both right and put both in the manpage
[18:21] <littlegirl> Riddell: LOL, I hadn't thought of that. Got it. Okay, I'm off to do this. (:
[18:22] <Riddell> littlegirl: you could check if maybe -caption is qt apps only and --caption is kde apps
[18:22] <littlegirl> Riddell: Okay, will do. (:
[18:38] <sgclark> Riddell: calligra committed to bzr
[18:39] <Riddell> sgclark: ooh!
[18:41] <lordievader> Good evening.
[18:44] <sgclark> Riddell: I am working on saucy backport now, then I am afraid I am out of time :( need to prepare for trip
[18:52] <littlegirl> Riddell: Do I need to follow the instructions in the "Testing individual applications" section here: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE#Testing_individual_applications for each program I test the man page options with, or can I just type neon5-env in Konsole and then run the command for the program followed by the option I want to test?
[18:55] <Riddell> littlegirl: just type neon5-env in Konsole and run it is good
[18:55] <littlegirl> Riddell: Okay, thanks a bunch! I'm all set and will go play with this stuff and fix some man pages. (:
[19:28] <kdeuser56> yofel: why does apt-get remove akonadi-backend-mysql want to remove kdepim, plasma etc. ?
[19:29] <yofel> kdeuser56: failure prevention. akonadi cannot detect which backends are available, so mysql is guaranteed to be there as it's the default
[19:29] <kdeuser56> yofel: for example one could want to switch to akonadi-backend-postgresql and therefore mysql would not be required anymore
[19:29] <kdeuser56> yofel: is it defined by upstream or a packaging matter?
[19:30] <yofel> the default is defined by upstream so far, akonadi not detecting backends would be an upstream issue too, that we force mysql to be installed is packaging stuff
[19:30] <kdeuser56> yofel installing postgreesql backend automatically defaults to postgresql one?
[19:31] <yofel> no, as I said, it doesn't know what backends it has, and it will never auto-switch anything
[19:31] <yofel> so even if you remove all backends, it'll still happily try mysql and error out
[19:31] <yofel> if you install !mysql and remove mysql it'll still error out - unless you go to the settings and switch the backend
[19:32] <yofel> you can also switch to a not-installed backend, breaking it
[19:32] <yofel> fun really
[19:35] <kdeuser56> yofel: there are no gui settings, are there?
[19:35] <yofel> sure there are
[19:35] <kdeuser56> yofel: where?
[19:36] <kdeuser56> yofel: I thought you would need edit .config/akonadi/akonadiserverrc
[19:36] <yofel> kdeuser56: either look for akonadi configuration in the applications, or run: kcmshell4 akonadi
[19:38] <kdeuser56> yofel: thx
[19:44] <kdeuser56> yofel: anything to consider that it works?
[19:45] <kdeuser56> yofel: simply installing, purging the configs and starting does not work
[19:45] <kdeuser56> yofel: it can't connect to postgresql
[19:45] <yofel> not sure, if it's postgresql, I never got the local mode to work. Only connecting to the system DB worked
[20:37] <Sput> Riddell: re the previous discussion about KF5, http://www.proli.net/2014/03/19/kde-sdk-next-how-will-we-develop-in-a-year/ gives me hope that people are indeed thinking about it, and will strive for making KF5 a viable set of libraries for cross-platform development
[21:37] <Riddell> aah, friday evening, the perfect time for spreading freedom through software
[21:37] <Riddell> hi ovidiu-florin_ 
[21:37] <ovidiu-florin_> Riddell: hello
[21:38] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin_: are you planning on doing the website story import?
[21:38] <ovidiu-florin_> story? the blog archive?
[21:39] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin_: kubuntu.org news archives
[21:42] <ovidiu-florin_> I'm not sure on how to proceed on that.
[21:43] <ovidiu-florin_> Copy each one manualy? (copy the HTML code)
[21:43] <ovidiu-florin_> or use a script for that
[21:43] <ovidiu-florin_> to migrate
[21:43] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin_: ug that would take ages
[21:43] <ovidiu-florin_> a script would be faster
[21:43] <ovidiu-florin_> but risky
[21:43] <Riddell> must be some way to extract them from the drupal database
[21:43] <ovidiu-florin_> there is
[21:44] <ovidiu-florin_> but it's risky
[21:44] <Riddell> what's the risk?
[21:44] <ovidiu-florin_> it might import stuff wrong and break the current site
[21:44] <Riddell> how would it break the site?
[21:44] <ovidiu-florin_> import in the wrong table or column
[21:44] <yofel> make a backup first o.O?
[21:45] <ovidiu-florin_> will do
[21:48] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin_: but do you know how to extract the stories from the current site?
[21:49] <ovidiu-florin_> I have a SQL dump from the time I've started the romanian site
[21:49] <ovidiu-florin_> since then, there aren't many articles to copy by hand
[21:49] <Riddell> yeah that could work
[21:50] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin_: think it'll be possible for release in 3 weeks?
[21:50] <ovidiu-florin_> afaik yofel has access to edit the current articles, he could just send me their html code
[21:50] <ovidiu-florin_> I'll start migrating it tonight
[21:50] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin_: or I can just give you access too :)
[21:50] <yofel> we can just give you the admin password
[21:50] <ovidiu-florin_> I'll see how far I can get
[21:51] <ovidiu-florin_> Riddell yofel I'll ask for it after I'm done with the old ones
[21:52] <ovidiu-florin_> Riddell: side topic: I have this proposition: https://www.transifex.com/organization/kde4/
[21:52] <ovidiu-florin_> we are testing it for the romanian translations right now
[21:52] <ovidiu-florin_> it is just in testing
[21:52] <ovidiu-florin_> but it can do marvels world wide :D
[21:54] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin_: does that mean the people problems you had with kde romanian translations are fixed?
[21:54] <ovidiu-florin_> nope
[21:55] <Riddell> fooey
[21:55] <ovidiu-florin_> I'll start talking with them again soon though
[21:55] <ovidiu-florin_> I've managed to get Kubuntu in a school
[21:55] <Riddell> yay :)
[21:55] <ovidiu-florin_> :D
[21:55] <Riddell> what's the story with that?
[21:55] <ovidiu-florin_> Just need to finish that ro-education package to arange it a bit for them
[21:56] <ovidiu-florin_> The current KDE translations cannot be used in education, but I have no official confirmation for this yet
[21:56] <ovidiu-florin_> It's just my suspicion
[21:56] <ovidiu-florin_> because they are not officially correct
[21:57] <ovidiu-florin_> from the point of view of the state
[21:57] <ovidiu-florin_> after I'll have an official confirmation, I'll open the subject with the translators again
[21:57] <Riddell> gosh what a lot of hassle, good luck with that
[21:57] <ovidiu-florin_> thanks
[22:16] <utusan> wanted to test so I tried to install plasma-desktop. but there is no kde or kubuntu session?
[22:16] <ovidiu-florin_> utusan: do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[22:16] <utusan> is there a meta pkg that will install the basic kde. never mind apps, I'll just add them later
[22:17] <Riddell> kubuntu-desktop is our meta package
[22:18] <utusan> but that will bring in all of the kitchen sink?
[22:18] <utusan> just wanted a minimal set that I can add apps later
[22:18] <Riddell> you can try kde-plasma-desktop
[22:18] <utusan> so I tried plasma-desktop
[22:18] <Riddell> it's from debian so we don't test it
[22:20] <utusan> ok, how about plasma-desktop?  It didn't buld a kde/kubuntu session
[22:20] <Riddell> no, it's just an application like any other
[22:20] <utusan> from the description it should?
[22:23] <utusan> kde-plasma-desktop seems to not get over konqueror.  why depend on it?
[22:23] <utusan> I know my bos is pretty old, but may I suggest to ship kubuntu with desktop effect off?
[22:24] <utusan> box*
[22:25] <utusan> it's dead on arrival if gpu can't handle it.  luckily system change accepted it from another desktop
[22:25] <Riddell> kwin ought to auto detect if it can't handle it and turn them off automatically
[22:25] <Riddell> we don't depend on kde-plasma-desktop
[22:25] <utusan> mine didn't, or taking too long, just blank
[22:27] <utusan> I meant kde-plasma-desktop meta pkg depends on konqueror
[22:30] <utusan> so which pkg has the kubuntu.desktop session file?
[22:31] <Riddell> dpkg -S /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/40-kde-plasma.conf 
[22:31] <Riddell> kde-workspace-data: /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/40-kde-plasma.conf
[22:31] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion kde-workspace 4.11.8
[22:31] <utusan> I mean the one you can find in /usr/share/xsessions
[22:31] <yofel> you'll also at least need kde-workspace-bin for startkde
[22:31] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1299266
[22:32] <yofel> utusan: same package
[22:32] <yofel> kde-workspace-data: /usr/share/xsessions/kde-plasma.desktop
[22:32] <utusan> thanks yofel
[22:32] <utusan> I'll check it out
[22:32] <yofel> although lightdm uses the other file these days
[22:34] <utusan> I use lightdm but I think it's getting it from /usr/share/xsessions
[22:36] <utusan> my lightdm.conf.d only has 50-greeter-wrapper.conf  50-xserver-command.conf 50-guest-wrapper.conf    60-lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
[22:36] <yofel> hm, yeah, it uses both, the other file is for the user-session setting
[22:47] <ovidiu-florin_> yofel: you also use quassel, right?
[22:47] <yofel> yes
[22:47] <ovidiu-florin_> how do I change my nick back to ovidiu-florin (no underscore)
[22:47] <ovidiu-florin_> ?
[22:47] <Riddell>  /nick ovidiu-florin
[22:48] <yofel> you can either set mulitple nicks and switch between them left of the input box, or do it the classic way as Riddell said
[22:48] <ovidiu-florin_> tried both... doesn't work
[22:48] <ovidiu-florin_> "Nick already in use: ovidiu-florin"
[22:49] <yofel> is it registered? Then you can try to /msg nickserv ghost <password> I think
[22:49] <ovidiu-florin_> it is registered
[22:49] <yofel> you are twice in here, so ghosting the other one should help
[22:50] <ovidiu-florin> "You are now identified for ovidiu-florin."
[22:50] <ovidiu-florin> yeeey :D
[22:50] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[22:55] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1299266] Please update kde-workspace to 4.11.8 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1299266 (by Kubuntu IRC Bot)
[22:55] <Riddell> gosh baloo is pretty key to getting SC packages to build
[22:55] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: it helps to link all your nick variants
[22:55] <valorie> then you don't have to ghost
[22:55] <Riddell> it failed and lots of other important ones failed
[22:55]  * Riddell fixes
[22:56] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: I only have the one
[22:56] <ovidiu-florin> the oder one is invented by quassel
[22:56] <yofel> I only see kdepim-runtime as failed, everything else is in depwait
[22:56] <yofel> ... on baloo ^^
[22:57] <Riddell> I also fixed kdepim-runtime
[22:58] <valorie> right, so you can link the one with the tail
[22:58] <valorie> or make up something more nifty
[22:59] <valorie> doing a /msg nickserv help gets you all kinds of info
[23:30] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: it would be simpler to migrate to a fresh installation of a Wordpress site, and then do those settings
[23:30] <ovidiu-florin> since there would be lots of duplicate item IDs
[23:31] <ovidiu-florin> ^^ (do the settings again from the site admin pannel)
[23:31] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: you mean scrap existing test.kubuntu.co.uk?
[23:31] <ovidiu-florin> not exactly. 
[23:32] <ovidiu-florin> keep it as an example, from were we can copy paste stuff
[23:32] <ovidiu-florin> (that's the easy part)
[23:32] <ovidiu-florin> I'll make a subdir and start a clean WP installation. 
[23:33] <ovidiu-florin> I'll need a new DB
[23:33] <ovidiu-florin> I can do this locally
[23:33] <ovidiu-florin> and then just clone the DB on the current site
[23:33] <ovidiu-florin> should have thoung of this from start
[23:33] <ovidiu-florin> thought*