[00:02] who already tried 14.04? [01:19] On Ubuntu can you make a site with out port forwarding or do u still have to do that? [01:21] darkangel: um... I suspect .. um.. what? [01:22] when you make a site out of HTML do u need to port forward it to make it public? [01:24] "no" [01:25] but I am guessing you aren't asking the right question [01:25] web developers mostly always do their work on a private machine [01:25] and then later deploy it to a public machine [01:26] private/public is defined by how the router the machine is connected to, not the machine itself [03:01] Hey everyone, is there anyway to disable login sound on ubuntu 14.04? [03:02] thiebaude: sec.. i may have that [03:02] ok thanks [03:04] CONF=/usr/share/gnome/autostart/libcanberra-login-sound.desktop [03:04] if [ -f $CONF ]; then echo X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=false >> $CONF [03:05] ok thanks i'll do that [03:08] CarlFK, i would try that by using ubuntu-tweak but its seems that does not work on my laptop and desktop anymore [03:14] CarlFK, was i suppose to type that in the terminal? [03:14] echo X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=false>>/usr/share/gnome/autostart/libcanberra-login-sound.desktop [03:14] that's a little easier (and yes) [03:14] wish there was copy and paste in xchat [03:15] can you highlight it with the mouse? [03:15] yes i highlight it but then i cant select paste [03:16] with it highlighted, middle click somewhere you can normally type (like a terminal) [03:16] ok [03:16] use chatzilla instead [03:18] http://www.jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html "It happens that X11 programs have a second way of copying and pasting text that is orthogonal to the Edit/Copy way described above." [03:18] i got it i found an option to save it as text, phew [04:22] Hello. I've just installed 14.04 but have no sound. I have an Asuz Z87-plus which has onboard digital audio. I have never gotten the sound to work...Any ideas? [04:27] The system settings shows multiple audio devices, but I can't get sound from any of them. [04:41] Hello [07:54] Hi. Is there any progress on exynos support in 14.04? [07:54] The Exynos 5250 in particular. [08:17] ubuntu 14.04 still will using compiz, right? [08:19] e01, yes [08:19] e01, why? [08:19] because i hate compiz [08:19] e01, why? [08:19] it's ugly piece of code [08:20] and work buggy [08:20] e01, are you a programmer? [08:20] yes [08:20] e01, Why is it ugly? [08:20] 10x for answering about compiz using [08:20] Its more unmaintained if you ask me [08:21] thats too [08:21] e01, like its performance is fantastic [08:21] just i can't figure out why canonical choice compiz [08:21] e01, As opposed to what? [08:21] Beryl? [08:22] it's not so hard to write some simple window manager, i just don't understand why is using some functionsrich wm just for managing windows [08:23] mutter is an option :D [08:23] e01, i have never heard of mutter [08:23] also compiz works really buggy flickering and bricky on all my hardware in all these years [08:24] e01 a lot of these issues are related to x11 though [08:24] like for example; a wobbly window in which you can see the titlebar seperate from the window, is something that has to do with x [08:24] but while they planning to replace x11 to mir i expected they had own solution for managing windows [08:25] e01, it is a lot of work, and in 14.10, [08:25] they will have unity 8, and mir [08:26] e01, have you thought about contributing to ubuntu? I am in the process of trying to branch unity8 desktop session [08:27] ahm.. had no time to contribute [08:27] just test ubuntu nightly every 1-2 months to see the progress of the distro [08:27] e01, have you thought about donating to ubuntu? You can choose where their funds go [08:27] while i am stick to 10.4 on my workpc [08:28] your* [08:28] once [08:28] with ~5eur [08:28] Perhaps you should donate again to their window manager. [08:28] $ [08:28] :) [08:29] :) [08:29] e01, if you find the time; you should try ubuntu-touch [08:29] its pretty amazing [08:29] next my donation will be when i will be pleasured from the distro [08:30] e01, then you should definitely try the ubuntu-touch [08:30] akiva-mobile: heh, may be, last time when i test it on my n4 (may be year ago) i brick my phone :D [08:30] hopefully we will have a tablet and phone by the end of this year [08:30] wow; bricked it eh? [08:30] i will never do it again until i see official it on phones from vendors [08:31] yup [08:31] i see just a blue light [08:31] havn't tried flashing the bios? [08:31] I have a *really* annoying problem with 14.04: about half the time I start it up, gnome keyring daemon isn't running [08:31] so my ssh key passphrases and other stuff aren't remembered [08:32] ggreer, that does sound annoying, have you checked to see if there is a bug reported? [08:32] every time I ssh or git pull/push or anything, I have to type it again [08:32] O_O [08:32] I looked around a little. it's hard to find anyone reporting an intermittent error [08:32] ggreer, I know what you mean; its hard to explain this [08:32] any idea how to reproduce the bug? [08:33] Did you do a fresh install or upgrade? [08:33] turn on computer. open terminal. run ssh blah or cd ~/code/whatever and git pull. around half the time, it will pop open a gnome input and ask me for my ssh key passphrase. half the time it'll prompt me in the command line, and do so every time until I restart [08:34] fresh install [08:35] I've been using ubuntu for 7 years and never had this bug. it's so weird [08:35] ggreer, is this the keyring bundled by ubuntu? or a seperate gnome one? [08:36] whatever comes with ubuntu. I have no 3rd party ppas besides the one for google chrome [08:38] ggreer, did you play with the settings, to automatically prompt you to unlock it on bootup [08:38] I didn't mess with the default settings beyond changing my desktop background and switching to zsh [08:38] (only for my user, not all users) [08:38] I have the same zsh setup on two other ubuntu machines and this doesn't happen on them [08:38] ggreer, maybe the software changed in 14.04 [08:38] although they're 13.10 [08:39] please stop mentioning my name. it highlights my IRC client [08:39] o_o [08:39] :P [08:42] you can say things, just don't prefix them with ggreer unless you want to get my attention [09:17] morning folks [09:18] anybody else seeing a very instable wifi connection using WPA2 entrerprise auth? [09:18] for my, sometimes the wifi just dies, and I need to "killall NetworkManager" to get it going again [09:23] kblin, Did you check for a bug? If it doesnt exist; its important that you file one [09:23] 14.04 is a big release [09:23] I'm not even sure what to file a bug against [09:34] still digging through network manager bug reports, can take a while [09:39] hello! since earlier today I'm getting these errors for official repositories: : GPG error: http://ftp.ccc.uba.ar trusty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5 NO_PUBKEY 3B4FE6ACC0B21F32 [09:39] any idea about it? [09:41] msx: that repo has not updated its key ? [09:41] ikonia: o/ [09:41] ikonia: to be honest IDK, i've been using 14.04 since a month or so and until today it was a smooth sail [09:42] msx: Archive update in progress; see http://ftp.ccc.uba.ar/pub/linux/ubuntu/ [09:42] ikonia: i'm somewhat new to ubuntu/debian, how can i reset the keys or download the correct ones? [09:43] TJ-: HA! phew, at least [09:43] TJ-: tnx! :D [09:43] msx: if you are new to ubuntu why are you using development releases and not expecting them to break during the development process ? [09:44] ikonia: *somewhat*, it's been some years i don't ubuntu [09:44] ok, that still doesn't change what I said [09:45] ikonia: yes it does bc i didn't say i expected anything else, i'm just curious about this error and, to be true, this comes handy to start learning some ubuntu internals [09:46] msx: I've always thought apt would be better if it watched for that file in the archive [09:46] hmm, looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1226932 [09:46] Launchpad bug 1226932 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Unable to Connect to Wi-Fi with Saved Password" [Undecided,Confirmed] [09:47] TJ-: absolutely! i will check the bugtracker and if there's nothing about it, open a ticket [09:47] but seeing how long NetworkManager bugs go unfixed, I'll be happy to see it fixed in 18.04 [09:47] TJ-: as you well say it's a handy and needed feature [09:47] msx: I might spend some hack-time to add it :) But it'll be 999 on my TODO list :) [09:48] TJ-: oh yes! the urgent things takes precedence over the important ones - i know a lot about that, lol [09:48] kblin: Is your network using PEAP or TKIP? [09:59] TJ-: I just checked with archive.ubuntu.com which doesn't seem to be under any maintenance and still have the same error [10:00] msx: Was this for a "apt-get update" ? [10:00] absolutely [10:00] W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com trusty-security Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5 NO_PUBKEY 3B4FE6ACC0B21F32 [10:01] @zyga from #ubuntu-devel suggested a proxy issue [10:01] I'm not sure as I'm directly connected to the net [10:01] and I'm having this issue only with official repos [10:02] msx: OK, well that key is the Ubuntu Archive signing key [10:05] msx: Can you pastebin the output from "apt-cache policy 'ubuntu.*keyring' " [10:05] TJ-: okay, so the key is valid [10:05] TJ-: absolutely, thank you very much for your time, just a sec.. [10:05] TJ-: PEAP, but without a CA cert [10:05] msx: The issue is, it looks as if your local system doesn't have that key in the keyring, which is 'weird'! [10:06] kblin: PEAP seems to be the common factor in those bugs, I wonder if that could help isolate where the changes that caused the regression are [10:08] TJ-: here it is, http://pastebin.com/8YGaifuD . Now, i don't remember having touch anything regarding the keys (really!) but let's just say they're gone, how do I aquire them again and add them to the keyring? apt-key? [10:08] TJ-: possibly, just having a hard time getting a reproducer set up where I control the infrastructure [10:09] e.g. my suspicion is that the missing CA cert might be a factor, because NM is really, really unhappy about that [10:09] but so far I haven't been able to convince IT to fix this [10:12] kblin: I'd do "tail -f /var/log/syslog" whilst starting the connection attempt, to see what is happening in real-time. I'm looking at that bug and the key line I've identified is "device state change: need-auth -> failed (reason 'no-secrets') " [10:13] kblin: It looks as if Network Manager is somehow forgetting/corrupting the stored secret, which means there's nothing to pass on to wpa_supplicant, which is responsible for the actual auth attempt [10:13] TJ-: if you're still with my issue take a break, i think i found the solution, keep you informed [10:13] msx: OK, your package list is correct [10:14] TJ-: now that i know what to search i came with a forum post with this very same issue from a few years ago: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1880461 gonna try it [10:14] s fix [10:15] msx: Do it in 2 stages; don't do the "apt-key adv ..." since you already (should) have that key in the ubuntu-keyrings package. [10:16] msx: The error message from apt can often be misleading; the actual error is corrupted partial package lists caused by the archive update altering those files just as you're trying to download them, and apt not realising, or cleaning up itself when it hits a list file that is incomplete [10:17] TJ-: roger that [10:20] TJ-: *update* done renaming ./lists, creating ./lists-partial and then apt-get update: still the same error [10:20] and yes, ubuntu-keyring is installed [10:23] msx: OK, let's see if you have a local copy of the archive, then we'll check if you have the key in the keyring [10:23] TJ-: wait, i think you'll love this: http://pastebin.com/Zr9TppeL [10:24] TJ-: i may be saying the dumbest thing in the world but, has the keyring any size limit? [10:24] *might [10:24] msx: nice catch! [10:24] cool, now, what's happening! [10:25] Corrupted local package maybe? Show me "md5sum /var/cache/apt/archives/ubuntu-keyring*.deb" [10:26] TJ-: 5ea5547e8f83b77d913b152a51d44edc [10:27] msx: compare that with "wget O - http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/ubuntu-keyring/ubuntu-keyring_2012.05.19_all.deb 2>/dev/null | md5sum -" [10:28] TJ-: okay, i have a different checksum, it is safe to just remove the .deb or should i completely uninstall ubuntu-keyring and install it again? [10:29] msx: lets do some more research first, since the errors in that pastebin are about the webupd8team keys [10:30] TJ-: sounds funny, let's do it! [10:30] msx: see bug #1263540 [10:30] bug 1263540 in apt (Ubuntu) "Apt-get reports NO_PUBKEY gpg error for keys that are present in trusted.gpg." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1263540 [10:31] TJ-: excellent, i'm adding my own issue there now then [10:32] msx: The debian bug explains the issue ... too many keyrings being passed to gpg [10:35] msx: Summary is, remove empty keyrings from "/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/" [10:40] BluesKaj, hey [10:40] I would like to get 14.04 but I need to torrent. Direct downloads *always* get scrambled on their way to China. Where would I find the daily build torrent? [10:40] BluesKaj, continuing with your yesterday last question - no, i had no other HDD attached to the laptop [10:41] 'Morning folks [10:41] cfhowlett, you can get the torrent from ubuntu.com [10:41] same ftp site as the daily build :) [10:41] (iirc) [10:42] BluesKaj, i have just downloaded 13.10 and build a live-USB from it. Letsw see if this works now [10:42] TJ-: :D [10:43] TJ-: don't forget to tell me where to send the pizza and cold beers [10:43] msx, here! :PPP [10:43] elhoir: lol, jotting it down ;) [10:43] ^^ [10:44] cfhowlett, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/14.04/beta-1/ [10:44] BluesKaj, thank you! [10:44] msx: mmmm breakfast :) [10:45] TJ-: haha, UTC-3 here, 07:45AM, so yes, breakfast indeed! [10:45] msx: Did that fix it? [10:45] cfhowlett, yw [10:45] TJ-: beautifully! [10:45] msx: bit of a nasty one, that! [10:46] i added this extra info the the bug comment [10:46] you tell m!! Btw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1263540/comments/7 [10:46] Launchpad bug 1263540 in apt (Ubuntu) "Apt-get reports NO_PUBKEY gpg error for keys that are present in trusted.gpg." [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:46] again, thanks a lot 4 the time spared (y) [10:47] msx: reinforces what I'm always telling people... when debugging get hard facts from logs/error reports, don't guess :) [10:48] TJ-: as a friend likes to say, "it's in the logs" [10:48] msx: "except when it isn't" :p [10:48] haha, oc [10:49] ahh, well, i can go bed now with a smile, see you [10:49] O.o [10:50] elhoir, once you've updated/upgraded and dist-upgraded 13.10 run, sudo do-release-upgrade -d. to install 14.04 from the internet, if you wish. [10:51] BluesKaj, yeah, thats what im gonna do [10:51] hope 13.10 works :-/ [10:52] can't figure why the 14.04 installer isn't working [10:56] BluesKaj, what do you mean? [10:59] akiva-mobile, elhoir is trying to instll 14.04 from a usb , but he gets a kernel panic before the install/try ubuntu page [10:59] BluesKaj: And checked the obvious things? checksum of the image, architecture of the installer matches the CPU? [11:00] elhoir, ^ [11:01] elhoir: Also, if you're using USB, try different ports, direct-connection rather than a USB hub, and so on... any permutations of that nature can often reveal an (intermittent) fault in the hardware side [11:02] TJ-, i assumed ppl who are installing edgy/dev OSs do so when trouble occurs [11:03] BluesKaj, I always assume people actually read the literature - guess how that turned out ... [11:04] cfhowlett, ubuntu 12.n [11:04] :P [11:04] BluesKaj: I dunno; sometimes we install to gain needed features. I recall the apache 2.2 > 2.4 release which added TLS PFC, had that installed on servers as soon as it got into the repos. [11:04] akiva-mobile, LTS only gets to touch my machine. [11:05] cfhowlett, B-b-b-but what about all the bells and whistles?! [11:05] yeah, the old saying , never assume , but in this case a certain level of experience and knowledge is understood [11:06] human nature - and today we had our first "Hey, where can I get 14.10?" query. Color me amazed. [11:06] cfhowlett: I think that's more laziness than anything; I've noticed that people will rather ask someone else than research for themselves.... especially students! :D [11:06] :) [11:06] cfhowlett, that was me! :< [11:07] akiva-mobile, :) no offense. You wouldn't believe the silly questions I've posed here. [11:07] cfhowlett, none taken; there is not enough time in the world to read all the documentation out there. [11:07] TJ-, I'm inclined to agree. [11:07] ok stuff to do for a few mins ...bbiab [11:08] BluesKaj, im booting 13.10 [11:08] when getting into the GUI (Gnome), screen gets blnk [11:08] and it doesnt continue [11:08] is it normal? [11:08] blank* [11:09] elhoir: Is that just an xserver problem? Can you switch to a text console using Ctrl+Alt+F1, for example? [11:10] let me try... [11:10] no [11:10] i cant [11:10] :( [11:11] elhoir: Does it change the screen at all, or simply no discernible response from the system? [11:11] does anyone know if theres any incompatibility between Ubuntu and an Acer Aspire E1-522 laptop ? [11:11] TJ-, no discernible response from system [11:12] elhoir: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne522 [11:12] elhoir: in particular, see the "Booting USB media" section which describes problems booting USB media [11:13] " setting "Network Boot" as the first boot device in the BIOS; see the Booting USB media section below for more details." [11:13] what the.... [11:13] oh noes [11:13] lol [11:13] elhoir: Also, under "Desktop effects" "Both with open-source and with Catalyst drivers the performance of Unity is slow," [11:15] but.. mine is not a netbook [11:15] only a laptop [11:15] however should be the same, imo... [11:15] so... network manager now thinks i'm “connected (site only)”, and some services have stopped working [11:15] is this a known bug? [11:15] lets try that! [11:21] it didnt work :( [11:21] screen stays blank [11:21] elhoir: What were you trying? [11:22] install UBuntu 14.04 in this lapttop [11:22] via USB-stick [11:22] when using 14.04 in USB stick, it does boot, but it detects the HDD as empty [11:22] elhoir: OK... have you confirmed the checksum of the image on the USB device matches the ISO checksum? [11:23] TJ-, no, but i have checked the disk when booting with it and its OK [11:23] elhoir: You mean it doesn't detect partitions? [11:23] TJ-, yes [11:23] elhoir: OK, let me do some research [11:23] and 13.10 is as im telling now - blank screen [11:23] its really odd [11:24] 1st time in my Ubuntu life i face this [11:24] elhoir: Have you done a memtest in case there's a memory module fault? [11:24] TJ-, no i havent [11:24] should i? [11:24] its a new laptop, bought on Tuesday xD [11:25] elhoir: I'd highly recommend it; I've discovered sticky bits on many systems causing 'weird' issues that way. Let it run for 1/2 hour or so [11:25] ok.... [11:25] hang a sec [11:25] elhoir: If there aren't any problems, at least we can have confidence in discounting that as a potential problem [11:27] TJ-, ok, memtest running [11:28] elhoir: Focusing on the installer no-hard-disk-partitions issue, I'd suggest, once you've done "Try Ubuntu" and then started the installer, starting a terminal and checking the boot log in case there are disk-read problems (check /var/log/kern.log and /var/log/syslog) [11:30] TJ, ok, i will try [11:31] no errors yet, 4m30s elapsed time [11:32] i would hate Acer at all if i cant install Ubuntu in their hardware [11:32] elhoir: I'm looking at bug #1289980 which has logs attached, including the BootDmesg, so you could compare your system's Dmesg reports about the hard drive, with that one. searching for "ata" and "ahci" and "sda" should get you most of the applicable entries [11:32] bug 1289980 in linux (Ubuntu) "[Acer Aspire E1-522] suspend/resume failure" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1289980 [11:33] elhoir: In that BootDmesg log, at time offset 3.191367, the disk discovery starts [11:34] but it doesnt say anything about partitions [11:34] only the physycal disk [11:34] * BluesKaj wonders if elhoir has a GPT partition that could be preventing Ubiquity from reading the disk. [11:35] elhoir: it does... look further down for "[ 3.281726] sda: sda1 sda2 < sda5 >" [11:35] BluesKaj, i guess nope, i deleted all partitions when downgrading to Win7 [11:35] elhoir: That is how the kernel reports discovered partitions [11:35] TJ-, oh true, sorry [11:35] "deleted all partitions" ? is the HDD partition-table-less then? [11:35] TJ-, lol, no! [11:36] laptop came with Win8 installed [11:36] i reformatted HDD and installed Win7 [11:36] $ ubuntu-bug network-manager [11:36] Segmentation fault (core dumped) [11:36] elhoir: OK, so what (should) it have now? MBR or GPT ? [11:36] MBR [11:37] elhoir, did you wipe the whole drive and create anew partition table? [11:37] BluesKaj, i used the Win7 installer partition creator [11:37] elhoir: OK. So, once the memtest is stopped, you can retry the installer, and look at its dmesg... posssibly pastebinit for us [11:38] hmm, that might havepreserved the GPT [11:38] TJ that will take some time... i have to reformat USB stick and load 14.04 in it...... [11:38] elhoir: So, am I correct in thinking that when the installer partitioning tool starts, it shows the hard drive but doesn't show any partitions on the drive? [11:38] elhoir: Ahhh, OK... these things often do! [11:38] TJ-, yes, its correct [11:38] BluesKaj, how can i check it? [11:39] BluesKaj, also, should Win7 boot if i have a GPT instead of MBR ? [11:39] BluesKaj: GPT won't upset the installer; it can handle GPT and MBR [11:40] TJ-, http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/bios.html [11:42] anyway gotta leave for a bit ... bb in 30 mins [11:47] TJ-, BluesKaj ok, formatting the USB now [11:49] there is a BIOS update in the Acer web page [11:50] maybe i should try to install it [11:51] elhoir: Is the system UEFI or legacy? From what I'm seeing that model is UEFI [11:52] TJ-, yes, but i changed it to legacy before installing Win7 [11:52] so now is legacy [11:53] elhoir: No, the answer is "it is UEFI" ... UEFI has a 'legacy' Compatibility Support Module (CSM) to provide BIOS services to boot-loaders/OSes that don't support UEFI. [11:54] elhoir: So, what I'm suspecting is you're probably trying to install in legacy mode on a disk that has GPT and has no protective MBR [11:55] TJ-, i installed win7 in legacy mode too [11:55] thats why im so confused [11:56] elhoir: I'd recommend installing in UEFI mode, saves a *lot* of problems. To do that, at start-up, you should be able to call up the system's boot menu and select the USB option that is *not* legacy... different firmwares use different phrases to describe the UEFI and legacy boot alternatives so you'll need to use your intelligence to figure out which is which [11:56] TJ-, but does win7 install in UEFI mode? [11:56] elhoir: Are you wanting to install Ubuntu alongside Windows, or totally replace it? [11:56] TJ-, alongside [11:57] dual boot [11:57] man, i wont have had any problems i i had wanted to replace Windows :) [11:57] i wouldnt have had* [11:58] elhoir: Yes, Win 7 64-bit can install in EFI mode [11:58] elhoir: I prefer UEFI, it's much better design than the hack-a-mess that is BIOS/MBR for multiboot support [11:59] that would require me to re-format and re-install all software lol [11:59] well, i can try [11:59] elhoir: Why? [11:59] TJ-, because i would have to re-install win7 in UEFI mode, should i? [12:00] the beta2 still has the ui issue: when selecting shutdown/restart it defaults to shutdown and will only show restart text after mouseover. So even if you click restart, up comes a window with two buttons, one says shutdown, one says nothing. [12:01] elhoir: If there is a GPT on the HDD then Windows will be using EFI mode. [12:01] touchscreen users cannot get mouseover, so they are confused forever, mouse users until they realize mouseover effect [12:01] elhoir: We're speculating until we can actually look at the drive though [12:02] TJ-, using EFI mode? hows that? i have set the BIOS to use legacy , not UEFI [12:04] elhoir: When you *enable* legacy it doesn't disable EFI, it usually just makes it available as a fallback, rather than disabling all EFI services. It does depend on the particular UEFI firmware though, so can't be 100% on that. [12:05] TJ-, oh, ok [12:05] so i should be able to change to EFI [12:05] and then try again ith Ubuntu ? [12:05] with* [12:09] !UEFI [12:09] UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI [12:10] elhoir: *usually* what happens at boot-time is, the firmware first tries to boot from entries in the boot-menu order. When legacy mode is enabled it can try both EFI and legacy mode. For simple-boot (from ISO images) it looks for a GPT, then a fat32 partition of type ESP (0xEF00), and then mounts that file-system and looks for "/EFI/boot/bootx64.efi" [12:11] aha [12:11] ok i have the USB ready with 14.04 again.... now my mother is using the laptop so i cant check..... [12:12] will try in some minutes [12:13] elhoir: If the EFI boot-loader search fails it may (if CSM is enabled) hand over to the CSM which will do a legacy boot (read sector 0 of device, put it at 0x7C00 in memory, and then hand over execution to it.) [12:14] elhoir: If the device is an ISO (DVD or USB image) it'll use the el-torito boot specification to find and load the boot-loader from the device [12:15] no, its not an ISO [12:15] is a USB.-live [12:18] elhoir, that's still an iso if you copied the image to the usb stick [12:18] elhoir: Which is an ISO image [12:19] elhoir: With USB on UEFI, when the firmware sees the USB device it'll check if it has a UEFI boot loader, and if so, it'll add an USB EFI boot option to the boot menu, and if there's a 'legacy' boot-loader, it'll add that too [12:20] elhoir: and to complicate matters, USB devices can look like DVDs (ISO style layout) or regular hard disks [12:22] BluesKaj, well i used the boot-disk-creator under Ubuntu [12:23] elhoir: Most live-USB's are simply a bit-wise copy of the ISO image into the USB device starting at sector 0, so it can emulate a DVD [12:23] oh [12:23] i didnt know it [12:24] well [12:24] what should be my next step? [12:24] You're learning the deep internals of booting today :) [12:24] change BIOS to EFI and start USb-live ? [12:24] TJ-, yeah, and its awesome :) [12:24] THANK YOU [12:24] :) [12:24] Once the USB is ready, boot the system from it using EFI mode if you have that option, do "Try Ubuntu", and then lets see what linux sees on that hard disk [12:25] ok [12:25] usb is ready, laptop is not - my mother is using it xD [12:25] elhoir: hahaha... it doesn't matter if you can't 100% certain boot in EFI mode, we don't need it to inspect the hard drive to discover the partitioning scheme. [12:26] elhoir: I think we have 2 things to do: 1) determine the partitioning scheme (MBR or GPT), and 2) determine which boot mode Windows 7 is using, UEFI or MBR [12:26] elhoir: with that knowledge we can determine how to proceed [12:28] I used a dvd image/iso to install kubuntu in legacy mode after I wiped the HDD and created / and /home and swap partitions with gparted live cd. The old fashioned method , but it worked without a hitch. [12:29] BluesKaj: Yeah, I think most issues are caused by a multiboot requirement where MBR and GPT are mixed up with EFI and CSM [12:29] TJ-, so next step, booting Ubuntu , doing "dmesg" and look for the boot process, isnt it? [12:29] This laptop is linux exclusive...windows 7 is a guest OS in VB, and runs fine too. [12:30] UEFI is way better for multiboot since it directly handles the multiboot requirement, which means we don't need GRUB to 'know' about the Windows/OtherOS installations [12:30] TJ-, yeah , no doubt [12:30] elhoir: Yes, dmesg is the first thing, then we'll use some tools to examine the disk in more detail if needed. [12:30] BluesKaj, the shit is that i cant make any of my computers linux-exclusive, since printer does not have linux drivers :( [12:30] lexmark I bet [12:30] nope [12:31] olivetti [12:31] any way photo [12:31] oh that's even more obscure for linux [12:32] elhoir: Yes, that is often an issue. I use network-attached printers for that reason, makes things a lot easier to manage in most cases [12:33] wife has a lexmark, no linux drivers for her model , altho they do provide linux drivers for their office type printers(commercial) since a lot of print servers are linux [12:34] BluesKaj, Used to sell printers. Don't buy lexmarks; they are rubbish. [12:34] so I just copy whatever needs printing to her pc and print frrom there via samba [12:34]