[05:21] <Mirv> Laney: not really, normal desktop apps probably won't hit what we do in Touch, and Debian does not (yet) have much mobile apps or heavy Qt 5 users there. I should initiate discussion though probably that others would take a look at the Ubuntu's cherry-picks
[05:22] <Mirv> Laney: I've not planned a new qtdeclarative upload (just did one a couple of days ago), but those updates are probably best through CI Train manual upload so that AP tests can be run to make sure there are no regressions.
[05:23] <Mirv> they'll be at Qt 5.3.0 though probably before any KDE5 bits hit Debian
[09:00] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[09:03] <Laney> hey there
[09:03] <Laney> happy friday
[09:03] <Laney> Mirv: Fair enough, I usually commit but don't upload for worthy cherry-picks
[09:03] <seb128> Laney, happy friday indeed!
[09:03] <Laney> Even though they are important for us they're still usually actual bug fixes
[09:12] <Laney> people seem to like the beta changes :-)
[09:14] <seb128> what beta changes?
[09:14] <seb128> you mean trusty changes compared to saucy?
[09:15] <Laney> yeah
[09:15] <Laney> speaking of, we should get the gtk scale settings for u-c-c in
[09:16] <seb128> oh indeed
[09:16] <seb128> let me test it locally
[09:16] <seb128> or did you do that already?
[09:17] <Laney> nope, lemme do that
[09:36] <smb> mlankhorst, Are you already aware about the glitches I tried to summarize in bug 1298517?
[09:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1298517 in unity (Ubuntu) "Rendering issues in unity with xserver-modeset" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1298517
[09:37] <seb128> shrug
[09:37] <seb128> update-manager segfaults on start for me now :/
[09:38] <seb128> hum, apport as well
[09:38] <seb128> pitti, do you know about those?
[09:38] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[09:38] <seb128> pitti, guten tag! happy friday!
[09:38] <pitti> seb128: yes, it's bug 1298824
[09:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1298824 in libffi (Ubuntu Trusty) "libffi 3.1~rc1 regression: crashes on i386; python3.4 crashed with SIGSEGV in g_callable_info_free_closure()" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1298824
[09:38] <pitti> seb128: it kept me busy in my morning :/
[09:38] <seb128> oh, doko, who else
[09:39] <pitti> seb128: hereux vendredi à toi aussi !
[09:39] <seb128> how come none of the autopktest caught it?
[09:39] <pitti> seb128: yeah, big fail of britney-adt :(
[09:39] <seb128> :-(
[09:39] <pitti> seb128: the point is, the autopkgtest did catch it
[09:39] <pitti> seb128: but it wasn't held back
[09:39] <seb128> is that still the same issue of "let things through despite failing tests"?
[09:39] <pitti> seb128: jibel is looking into the logs to try and find out why
[09:40] <seb128> it's not the first time :/
[09:40] <seb128> pitti, ok, I'm going to let you work then, thanks for the update!
[09:40] <pitti> seb128: yes, which we haven't managed to understand yet; I thought I reproduced it in a britney test, but that was just a bug in the test
[09:40] <pitti> seb128: yeah, libgcc1 a few weeks ago
[09:40] <seb128> right
[09:40] <pitti> seb128: I prepared a revert for that, it's waiting in unapproved
[09:43] <seb128> pitti, did some nudging on release
[09:44] <pitti> seb128: thanks; I pinged doko this morning, but no response yet; I think we can declare this a timeout, given how critical this bug is
[09:44] <seb128> pitti, yeah, especially just when we released beta, it means users upgrading are going to be without a working update-manager to get the fixed version
[09:46] <pitti> seb128: ah, got accepted
[09:46] <seb128> pitti, ;-)
[09:47] <pitti> seb128: looking forward to a flood of "jenkins fixed" emails :)
[09:47] <seb128> yeah
[09:47] <seb128> but more important, looking forward having users without an hosed system, it's not only tests :/
[09:47] <seb128> wth doko, did he even test that update?
[09:48] <pitti> seb128: it works fine on amd64, and the upstream tests pass on i386 as well
[09:48] <pitti> but it seems to have an ABI break on i386
[09:48] <seb128> oh ok
[09:48] <pitti> seb128: I kept some notes in the bug
[09:48] <seb128> it's you guys hating on us i386 users :p
[09:48] <seb128> I got the message, I should migrate to 64 bits one day ;-)
[09:48] <pitti> it's whispering "go 64 bit!", don't you hear it?
[09:48]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[09:49]  * pitti hugs you back
[09:49] <pitti> seb128: it's actually good that some folks test i386
[09:49] <pitti> seb128: it's already bad enough that most developers have Lenovo or Dell laptops these days :)
[09:49] <seb128> indeed, it's one of the reason I'm keeping that machine i386
[09:50] <seb128> my next laptop is going to be 64bit install, but I keep that one on 32bits
[09:50] <jibel> pitti, seb128 I found at least 2 problems: libffi has been copied before britney received all the results of packages depending on it 2. Some results are marked as PASS while the result file contains a FAIL.
[09:50] <seb128> pitti, do you know if anything was built against the new libffi that needs to be rebuilt with the revert?
[09:51] <pitti> seb128: no, I don't; we need to traverse through build logs
[09:51] <pitti> i. e. all libffi rdeps which got uploaded yesterday
[09:51] <seb128> pitti, ok, having a look
[09:51] <pitti> seb128: I know I synced g-i and pygobject, but they obviously got built against the old one
[09:52] <pitti> seb128: and everything which has an autopkgtest (ruby-ffi and friends) will be automatically covered
[09:52] <pitti> seb128: so I suspect there's not that many packages to check manually
[09:52] <pitti> jibel: eek; so for 1. britney didn't wait until all tests got done, but accepted on RUNNING?
[10:04] <seb128> pitti, \o/, working python guis again, thanks ;-) (I got the debs from proposed)
[10:05] <pitti> great
[10:05] <seb128> pitti, you synced gnome-icon-theme-extras for Jackson, was that a bug report?
[10:05] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-icon-theme-extras/+bug/1297645 found it
[10:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1297645 in gnome-icon-theme-extras (Ubuntu) "Sync gnome-icon-theme-extras 3.12.0-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released]
[10:06] <pitti> seb128: yes; it's used nowhere except ubuntu-gnome, and only has a new icon, so it seems fine?
[10:06] <seb128> pitti, britney says "gnome-icon-theme-extras/i386 unsatisfiable Depends: gnome-icon-theme (>= 3.12) "
[10:06] <seb128> pitti, I commented on the bug/reopened/assigned to Jackson
[10:06] <seb128> pitti, our g-i-t is not new enough
[10:06] <pitti> seb128: erk, sorry; thanks; I should check this myself for noskcaj
[10:07] <seb128> yeah, he's motivated but not very careful sometimes
[10:25] <darkxst> pitti, any idea what is happening with the gjs tests?
[10:26] <darkxst> I am lacking internet at this point ;(
[10:30] <seb128> not sure if you noticed but new gjs is quite buggy
[10:30] <seb128> well at least it has errors ranked high on e.u.c that started in 1.39 versions
[10:30] <seb128> g-s-d is also quite high ranked
[10:35] <darkxst> seb128, there are some re-entry issues with the GC.
[10:35] <darkxst> but I can't do much right now. stuck on phone ;(
[10:36] <Laney> ricotz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libosinfo/+bug/1297957 please more details in future
[10:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1297957 in libosinfo (Ubuntu) "Sync libosinfo 0.2.9-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]
[10:37] <darkxst> moving in a few weeks, but when I booked it in, my stupid telco decided to disconnect everything straight away
[10:37] <Laney> tether ;-)
[10:37] <darkxst> I am
[10:38] <darkxst> but over here its super expensive
[10:38] <darkxst> like $20 per 700MB
[10:38] <Laney> gosh
[10:40] <darkxst> Laney, yup! I should just move to europe, but need to finsih phd first
[11:04] <marga> Hi, can someone re-open https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1051921 for Precise?  It was incorrectly marked as Fix Released.  I can still reproduce with 5.20.0-0ubuntu3
[11:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1051921 in Unity 5.0 "lens-bar-keynavigation periodically writes to /tmp/wut.png" [Medium,Fix released]
[11:05] <seb128> marga, done
[11:05] <marga> seb128, tnx
[11:08] <Laney> Trevinho: Just checked out the combo
[11:08] <Laney> There's a problem with sizing
[11:09] <Laney> If you go to a big scale size and then back down to a smaller one then the combos in the right column keep the larger width
[11:11] <Laney> haha also if you change the size while a notify-osd bubble is displayed it gets messed up
[11:12] <Laney> oh MAN I finally lost the ubuntu one context menu in nautilus
[11:13] <Laney> Trevinho: http://ubuntuone.com/783mzxI7O0dTLUZTiLd2gG
[11:14] <Laney> Also isn't it weird that some things are instant apply given the 'Apply' button?
[11:15] <pitti> darkxst: another fallout of libffi; the revert should land soon now
[11:15] <pitti> darkxst: yep, fixed again
[11:17] <Laney> darkxst: lucky you ;)
[11:17] <Laney> libffi fallout is tricky
[11:18] <darkxst> Laney, why me? I have nothing to do with libffi!
[11:19] <Laney> because you don't have to fix anything
[11:20] <darkxst> Laney, oh you are forgetting, I can't fix anything anyway!
[11:20] <Laney> I don't think anyone was going to fix gjs for you :P
[11:21] <seb128> Laney, Trevinho: it's also a bit weird, the dialog resize horizontal when selecting screens because of the different names length
[11:22] <Laney> ah, I don't see that
[11:22] <seb128> Laney, it might depends of the locale, for me things file the horizontal space
[11:23] <darkxst> Laney, right, I will just go sulk in my internet-less corner not much else to do ;)
[11:23] <seb128> so longer labels strech the dialog
[11:23] <seb128> Laney, Trevinho: btw the "instant apply" is also an issue, it makes easy to screw your session, like if you move to 3, the slider/buttons get offscreen and you are screwed for good
[11:24] <Laney> you need to know that you can hold alt to move it up
[11:24] <seb128> I know
[11:24] <Laney> which is bad, but it'd also be bad if you did that with non-instant apply
[11:24] <seb128> non tech users likely not
[11:24] <Laney> unless it does the timeout thing
[11:24] <seb128> well, the resolution change has a "revert after 30s if not confirmed"
[11:25] <seb128> Laney, is there any of this issues that you consider a blocker to land the current mp? or should we just land that and consider tweaks as bugfixes for another iteration?
[11:26] <Laney> I don't think so, but I'd like to hear that the work can be on the list for trusty
[11:26] <seb128> right
[11:27] <Laney> but feel free to get it in a silo if you want and the code review is ok
[11:29] <seb128> well, no hurry to get it in a silo
[11:29] <seb128> I didn't review the code yet, just did some local testing
[11:31] <Laney> shrug, would like to get it in sooner rather than later
[11:31] <seb128> k, let me finish what I'm doing and do a code review/put u-c-c in a silo in 10minutes or so
[11:32] <Laney> no über rush since Trevinho seems afk anyway
[11:32] <seb128> right, he has weird work hours, like he seems to work at night often and then sleep through the morning ;-)
[11:33]  * seb128 used to do that at school
[11:33] <Laney> yeah me too, but these days I like being free at the same time as other people :p
[11:33] <seb128> yeah, same here ;-)
[11:36] <seb128> Laney, do you see an issue landing https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/indicator-keyboard/startup-cleanup/+merge/207768 ?
[11:37] <Laney> the data/upstart desktop file has a different OnlyShowIn
[11:37] <seb128> I wonder if we should include it for trusty or not (I'm putting a landing for another fix)
[11:37] <Laney> I think those things shouldn't have OnlyShowIn at all
[11:37] <seb128> hum, yeah
[11:38] <Laney> but the effect of that as it is is that you get XDG autostarted in gnome (!gnome3) sessions
[11:38] <seb128> ok, let's skip over that one, I really care about the bugfix
[12:16] <ricotz> Laney, thank you
[12:16] <Laney> yw
[13:42] <nturner_> Is anyone else seeing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1281806 ? What package should this really be assigned to?
[13:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1281806 in unity (Ubuntu) "Alt-Tab switcher regularly goes into "flicker loop of death" or just hangs" [Undecided,New]
[13:43] <seb128> nturner_, well, as said on #ubuntu-devel, no, nobody else mentioned that/saw that before afaik, you might want to check with bregma, he might have seen it mentioned
[13:55] <ritz> happy weekend folks
[14:37] <Trevinho> Laney, seb128: ok, I'm back... And unfortunately I wasn't sleeping this time, but I had to go to the doctor to renew my driver license...
[14:37]  * Trevinho is getting old
[14:37] <Trevinho> but yeah, I do prefer hacking by night :D
[14:37] <seb128> Trevinho, good afternoon ;-)
[14:38] <seb128> bregma, btw I took over your unity landing ask to get a silo/kick a build, I hope it's ok
[14:38] <Trevinho> anyway... About the resizing, unfortunately it's not easily controllable
[14:38] <bregma> seb128, I saw that, I'm currently running the usual AP tests
[14:38] <seb128> good
[14:39] <seb128> the update seems to run fine for me
[14:39] <Trevinho> also switching monitor selection can change it, but this depends on the grid we use... And I didn't find any valid workaround to avoid that, without breakiing the grid in some cases..
[14:39] <Trevinho> but if you've suggestions...
[14:40] <Trevinho> in theory all the elements are set not to expand or fill... so they should resize
[14:40] <Trevinho> but theory might not match reality
[14:59] <Laney> Trevinho: hmm, not sure, maybe ask in #gtk+
[15:00] <seb128> Laney, Trevinho: I've u-c-c in a landing silo, did you have any reason to not land it? as said we can do another landing next week for tweaks and fixes if needed
[15:01] <Trevinho> seb128: I'm happy if it lands :)
[15:02] <bregma> seb128, I've marked the Unity landing (landing-001) as "tests passed", shall I ask for a publish?
[15:02] <seb128> bregma, I can publish for you
[15:03] <bregma> cool
[15:03] <Laney> seb128: yeah, do it
[15:03] <seb128> bregma, note that Trevinho had a review comment on the compiz change, but I guess that can be addressed in another mr later on, I don't feel like respinning the whole update for that
[15:04] <seb128> bregma, published
[15:04] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[15:05] <seb128> Laney, do you have any comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/sessioninstaller/current-gstreamer-tweaks/+merge/213163 ?
[15:06] <Laney> Need to look at it, hang on
[15:07] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[15:07] <seb128> Laney, the version split is probably not ideal
[15:07] <seb128> but I didn't feel like changing the gstreamer logic/rebuilding all the gstreamer plugins
[15:08] <seb128> like the code considers 1.0 as the serie, but we flag the packages 1.2
[15:08] <seb128> in practice we have only 0.10 and 1. anyway, so split['.'][0] gives 0 or 1 and that's going enough for the current situation
[15:37] <hikiko> seb128, and Laney
[15:37] <hikiko> here?
[15:37] <seb128> hikiko, hey
[15:37] <hikiko> hey :)
[15:39] <hikiko> I am going to add a dialog in the u-c-c when the scaling is so large or so small that the u-c-c window exceeds the screen boundaries, a dialog will appear asking the user to confirm the setting
[15:40] <Laney> Hey
[15:40] <hikiko> so that he can revert in extreme scaling but doesnt have to press confirm each time he moves the slider
[15:40] <Laney> why not make it consistent with the resolution settings?
[15:40] <Laney> not instant apply, revert if not confirmed
[15:40] <hikiko> Laney, because the resolution settings
[15:40] <hikiko> because the slider is interactive
[15:41] <hikiko> and the resolution settings can revert on apply
[15:41] <hikiko> and we revert the whole desktop settings
[15:41] <hikiko> this dialog will only appear in extreme cases
[15:41] <hikiko> when you use a scale factor 2 for example
[15:41] <hikiko> and your text is huge and you cant scroll down
[15:42] <hikiko> or when the scale factor is too close to 0.5
[15:42] <hikiko> and the win goes that small you cant drag it
[15:42] <hikiko> not while you move tha slider
[15:42] <hikiko> I think it's a good idea isnt it?
[15:42] <seb128> Laney, if we have linear scaling it feels like validation-try would be tedious
[15:42] <seb128> 1.15, no, 1.20, no, 1.25, no
[15:42] <seb128> 1.30, oh, that looks ok
[15:42] <seb128> how was 1.25 again
[15:42] <seb128> etc
[15:44] <seb128> hikiko, not sure what you want to do is easily doable/reliable though
[15:44] <seb128> hikiko, one other option would be to revert if the dialog is closed by the (x) wm control, but I guess that would be weird
[15:44] <hikiko> it's just a dialog that sets the gsettings/ui_scale value to the previous one
[15:44] <hikiko> I already store the prev value
[15:44] <hikiko> :)
[15:45] <hikiko> it's easy, the only tricky part is to use the resolution dpi to check if the win is inside the screen boundaries
[15:45] <hikiko> but it's not too difficult
[15:45] <hikiko> I think it's a good feature
[15:46] <seb128> yeah, we need a way to revert anyway
[15:46] <Laney> I don't think it's that tedious, it's not like you do this operation all the time
[15:46] <seb128> can you open a bug for tracking?
[15:46] <seb128> maybe check with mpt for design recommendations
[15:46] <hikiko> sure seb128
[15:47] <seb128> Laney, no, but it's sort of nice of move the slider and seeing the result to get to the right ration ... but agreed, having to do it by tries wouldn't be the end of the world
[15:47] <seb128> Laney, don't forget my few liners codec review please ;-)
[15:47] <Laney> I am going to in a minute
[15:47] <seb128> Laney, I'm mostly asking for review because of the split hack, in case you have an opinion, otherwise I can just upload
[15:48] <seb128> it's a small/safe change anyway
[15:48] <seb128> Laney, I put some context on the channel a bit earlier in case you didn't notice ;-)
[15:48] <seb128> thanks
[15:48] <Laney> I would try and find out where struct.version (or whatever it is) comes from
[15:49] <Laney> but I think it's fine to only compare the major versions if that is what they use for abi compatibility anyway
[15:49] <seb128> it's coming from gstreamer
[15:49] <seb128> I think it's the "current serie"
[15:49] <seb128> 1.2 versions are 1.0 abi serie
[15:49] <seb128> so we have a mismatch between the packages and the abi version
[15:49] <seb128> one way would be to fix the description flags and rebuild all the plugins
[15:49] <Laney> Depends what Gstreamer-Version is meant to be
[15:50] <seb128> well, nothing tell us that they are not going to change abi at 1.6
[15:50] <seb128> yeah, I don't know, I didn't find a definition of what Gstreamer-Version is meant to be
[15:50] <seb128> I should ping slomo about it when he's around
[15:50] <Laney> yeah I'm pretty sure that will never happen
[15:51] <Laney> they've said many times that 1.x is going to remain compatible
[15:51] <seb128> right
[15:52] <Laney> Probably ideally there would be a Gstreamer-ABI field like the -Version one, but in reality the major version is that anyway
[15:52] <Laney> so, do it
[15:55] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[15:58] <hikiko> seb128, Laney https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-control-center/+bug/1299079
[15:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1299079 in Unity Control Center "allow UI scale revert" [Undecided,New]
[15:58] <hikiko> here it is
[15:58] <seb128> hikiko, thanks
[15:58] <seb128> mpt, ^ if you have any opinion on the best interaction mode for that we would welcome hearing it :-)
[15:59] <Laney> I replied with the alternative
[15:59] <Laney> hikiko: We usually assign mpt to get a design first, doing that
[16:00] <Laney> Matthew Paul Thomas did not previously have any assigned bugs in Unity Control Center.
[16:00] <hikiko> ok :)
[16:00] <Laney> muhahaha
[16:01] <hikiko> I can find him
[16:01] <hikiko> to assign it
[16:01] <hikiko> :s
[16:01] <Laney> i did it
[16:02] <seb128> shrug
[16:02] <seb128> we need to close that projects for bug report
[16:02] <hikiko> mpt, could you please get a look so that I start it on monday? :)
[16:02] <Laney> oh yeah, i didn't notice that
[16:03] <seb128> reassigned to the ubuntu package
[16:03] <hikiko> hahaha
[16:03] <mpt> hikiko, ok
[16:04] <seb128> mpt, thanks
[16:04]  * mpt wonders if this is going to be just another case of “undo your last System Settings change”
[16:04] <mpt> oh, it’s more specialized, okay
[16:05] <Laney> It's something the spec doesn't talk about
[16:05] <Laney> so you should be happy getting to think about a new thing :P
[16:10] <hikiko> mpt, no it will only appear in extreme scales
[16:11] <hikiko> not everytime the user sets the slider
[16:11] <hikiko> that would be annoying
[16:14] <Trevinho> Laney, dpm: something else for you :|  https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1299080
[16:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1299080 in Unity "[UIFe] New style force-quit window dialog" [Medium,Confirmed]
[16:18] <seb128> time for some exercice, be back in 1 hour
[16:21] <Laney> Trevinho: ok, you didn't manage to reuse the strings then?
[16:22] <Laney> Trevinho: force *the* application to exit
[16:22] <dpm> Trevinho, added comment to the bug
[16:22] <Trevinho> Laney: well, it would look not so good... As the contained the name of the window And this is a repeated thing I think
[16:23] <dpm> Trevinho, I also think the *the* or a *this* is needed
[16:23] <Trevinho> dpm, Laney: yeah my tyopo
[16:23] <dpm> ok, no worries
[16:24] <Laney> repeated between the decoration and the dialog you mean?
[16:24] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah
[16:24] <Trevinho> Laney: it also would make it to grow too much if too long
[16:24] <Trevinho> and well, cutting it is not that nice
[16:24] <Laney> OK, I guess you weighed it against breaking translations
[16:30] <seb128> ok, really going this time, bbl
[16:37] <trem> seb128: \o/
[17:03]  * Sweetshark sees seb128 is still here and tries to thing of a topic lock him down here for a bit longer ...
[17:03] <Sweetshark> http://xkcd.com/356/
[17:12] <desrt> so you can start by establishing some loose bounds quite easily
[17:13] <desrt> the solution must be between 0.25 and 3
[17:13] <desrt> 0.5 and 3, in fact
[17:14]  * desrt resists the urge to get trapped
[18:02] <Laney> happy weekend!
[18:02]  * Laney phases out
[18:03] <elfy> have a good one
[18:03] <seb128> Laney, thanks, you too!
[19:14] <hyperair> hmm, how do i tell unity not to clobber my circular scrolling settings?
[19:15] <BigWhale> Holy codecs, Batman! There's no faac support in gstreamer1 in 14.04?
[22:00] <Sweetshark> desrt: ah, almost got you. May I interest you in a game of http://gabrielecirulli.github.io/2048/ ?
[22:00] <sarnold> it's a trap!
[22:00] <sarnold> you'll lose your weekend if you start :)
[22:03] <Sweetshark> sarnold: shshshsh
[22:04] <sarnold> Sweetshark :)
[23:57] <BigWhale> :q