[03:05] hmmmmm what to watch [05:05] heh [05:05] someone captioned this photo: [05:05] http://i.imgur.com/u9jrRIC.jpg [05:05] "Merkele" [05:11] morning everyone [05:11] morning MartijnVdS knightwise [05:52] hmm , [05:52] i just installed conky-manager [05:52] never before was conky that simple [05:53] its pretty basic stuff but still [06:41] hello all [06:42] morning MooDoo [06:42] how are you jussi ? [06:42] MartijnVdS: hehe, good one [06:42] and morning knightwise mapp MartijnVdS [06:42] MooDoo: TGIF. that explains it, no? [06:44] jussi: definately [06:46] MooDoo: read this... http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling [06:46] MooDoo: particularly the part below the manatee :P [06:48] lol well that cheered me up, now I know there out to get me, so Ill take note that you're taking the micky out of me ;) [06:48] hehe [06:48] :D [06:48] * jussi hugs MooDoo [06:48] hee hee :D [06:49] yay got my ubuntu site authorised :D [06:50] MooDoo: :) [06:50] just need to sign the document and send it back [07:43] davmor2: do you think that screensaver bug will be fixed before final? [07:44] speaking of bugs, anyone know if the login focus issue has been fixed with the beta [07:49] MooDoo: login focus? [07:51] MartijnVdS: on the login screen, after initial boot, you have to right click or do something to get the focus on the login prompt...er does that make sense.... [07:51] MartijnVdS: to be honest I went back to Saucy so I don't know if it's fixed or just me :D [07:54] MooDoo: works fine on mine without the click [07:54] MartijnVdS: I'm thinking user error too :) [07:54] MooDoo: Layer 8 :P [07:55] I'll just wait now until release not fussed to upgrade now :) [07:55] MartijnVdS: :) [07:55] lol I might just say it's 9 or 10 as well to cover all bases. [07:56] MartijnVdS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:OSI_user_layers.png ;) [08:25] Morning all [08:25] morning diplo [08:34] Friday \o/ [08:39] diplo: I know a song about that [08:39] MartijnVdS: dont you dare... [08:40] jussi: :P [08:42] here you go jussi MartijnVdS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ - Not what you think [08:42] ... [08:42] thank god for quassel web preview [08:42] ;) [08:43] FSOIP needs to be invented soon [08:43] (Face Stab Over IP) [08:43] hee hee [08:44] in other news, I love a cappella and Coldplay http://open.spotify.com/track/0pt23eSh17tYjhiOEKGKvE [09:39] was just trying to download a 3rd party app for windows. i have sympathy for windows users. [09:40] even the "trusted" sites feature adverts to trick you into installing the wrong thing [09:40] repos ftw [09:40] yeah, loads of green "DOWNLOAD" buttons [09:40] foobarry: +++ [09:40] also, ad-block etc. [09:40] this is a fresh pc, no firefox etc [09:40] i felt very vulnerable [09:40] oh it's just ie for you, nothing new there.... [09:41] my sis got pwned within 30 mins of owning her laptop when looking for a codec. [09:41] blimey [09:41] wish people would get over this windows is rubbish ubuntu is great malarky....:p [09:41] yes i'm whiny today :D [09:41] why do you always feel the need to jump to the defence of windows MooDoo ? [09:41] sourceforge is awful nowadays [09:41] MooDoo: is a secret MS agent [09:41] it's not Windows, it's these websites that's the issue here. [09:42] popey: no excuse [09:42] heh [09:42] I wonder what peoples very first download are on a fresh windows install usually [09:42] i imagine for some it's ff/chrome, others steam, some vlc... [09:42] also the pc is stuck installing update 1 of 2 after i chose a reboot. not sure if stuck or doing something [09:42] would make for interesting stats [09:42] (drivers aside) [09:42] actually drivers included would be interesting [09:43] mine was AV to be honest. which ok i'll admit screwed me over last time I had to do it [09:43] MooDoo: which AV? [09:43] I usually just install MSE [09:43] I tend to use AVG at home, we have McAffe at work. [09:43] my Windows (gaming) install only has MSE [09:43] daftykins: I used bit defender. [09:43] ah yes, MSE, I used to install AVG [09:43] but the last AV which wasn't that, was packages with something that hijacks your browser [09:44] i stopped using AVG when they used to make it actively hard to upgrade [09:44] and added things to the registry [09:44] yeah, double plus ungood [09:44] I don't tend to install a lot on my Windows machine at home apart from via Steam. [09:44] whats the chance i'll hose this machien by powering off during update 1 of 2? [09:44] foobarry: fairly high [09:45] no idea what its doing [09:45] I dual boot my laptop for 3 things, minecraft [for my son], photoshop and light room, other than that it's always in ubuntu [09:45] how long has it been sat there and is there disk activity, foobarry? [09:45] 10 mins, yes disk tinkle [09:45] hmm, might still be installing it then - assuming it's in single-user mode [09:45] have a very low trust threshold with win [09:46] likewise, especially after the Windows 8.1 update hosed my graphics driver and left me with a blank screen at boot-time [09:46] sad story of the day: I made coffee. I went to do other stuff. I forgot cofffee. I feel bad. [09:46] dwatkins: i will admit that the 8.1 update took hours. [09:47] i only booted into windows to run easybcd because boot-repair didn't work under linux [09:47] jussi: http://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-Cup-Warmer-Port-Hub/dp/B0009VEL1O [09:47] MooDoo: I let mine complete (it also took a very long time) but it overwrote the NVidia driver and I had to do a safe boot to be able to see the output [09:47] dwatkins: yuck. old coffee [09:47] dwatkins: stupid computers.... [09:47] yeah, I was only kidding - I'd never get something like that for many reasons [09:48] don't forget you can power a BBQ off USB... http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2006/08/bbq0608152132_009.jpg [09:48] screen gone black [09:48] drum roll [09:49] shift key [09:49] installing 1 or 2 [09:49] arrrgh [09:49] just a little verbose window would be nice [09:49] doesn't even say what patch its doing [09:49] MooDoo: Why dual boot for minecraft? It plays well on Ubuntu for me [09:49] 1 of 2, clearly.... [09:49] * dwatkins ducks [09:50] DJones: correct, it's just where i have minecraft installed :D laziness forbids me to move it to my ubuntu partition [09:50] ;) [09:50] Ah that would be a good reason [09:50] dwatkins: that bbq is just.... wrong [09:50] jussi: yep [09:51] I'm tempted to Hackintosh my desktop at home, but I suspect its gfx performance won't be as good as with a "supported" OS. [09:52] hackintosh... [09:52] the thing that got me into open source :D [09:52] lol [09:52] irony [09:54] Windows 95 got me in to open source, as you couldn't really do anything interesting with it. [09:54] foobarry: yeah. I played with hackintosh a bit and the my little brother said " why dont you try ubuntu". the rest, as they say, is history [09:54] 95 got me into opensource because my computer wouldn't run it. and I wanted new toys too. [09:54] this PC (486 DX/2 66) came with Win 3.11. [09:54] *that PC - I'm not still using it [09:55] this was in 2006 when Hackintosh first came out [09:55] wow. installing 2 of 2 [09:55] this was an sx16 /w 3mb. it ran slack, but not '95. so when everyone else got new toys, so did I [09:57] I wanted to get a 286 laptop and run linux on it. [09:58] lol, no you don't. laptop not being absolute pants on laptops is a surprisingly recent move :/ [09:59] I had it on a 486 lappy and it was horrid [09:59] I first ran Slackware on my 486; I think it had 32 MB RAM originally. [09:59] it managed power the same way a 17yo manages alcohol [09:59] shauno: it goes out as often as it goes in? [10:00] it'd suspend to disk, but not resume from same :| [10:00] Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy Something On A Stick Day! :-D [10:01] JamesTait: corndog day? [10:01] MartijnVdS, if that takes your fancy. :) [10:02] marshmallows over a fire [10:02] moon on a stick? [10:02] I have some videos on my stick and some software installers. [10:02] MooDoo, yum! [10:03] foobarry, now that one I'm used to. [10:08] I know it's only 10am, but can I go home now please? [10:08] yes [10:09] dwatkins: why thank you, I'll tell my boss irc said I could go home :D [10:09] if he asks, just explain that 'something on a stick day' is a national holiday [10:11] now installing 10 of 12 ..what the heck [10:11] iterative updates. it did 160 yesterday === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:15] yeah, non cumulative updates suck [10:15] used to have that in SAP land.. you had to install each patch incrementally, and there could be hundreds, and you had to do them in a very specific sequence [10:15] manually [10:16] one reason it paid well I guess, you had to know the voodoo ☻ [10:16] sounds like a great way to keep people employed [10:16] indeed [10:16] popey: My friend does it for a big company in london, uses PowerShell now to load a csv to do it in the correct order [10:16] they eventually added an update tool which went off to their website to find out what sequence to do them in and would queue them in that order [10:16] until they get fedup and leave :S [10:17] when sap paid decently, it made it very easy to justify staying [10:17] would you ever go back to SAP popey ? [10:18] i ask myself that now and then [10:18] been out of it for 2.5 years so some of my knowledge will be out of date [10:18] and its not fun ☻ [10:18] so only if I lost my job at canonical for whatever reason and couldn't find something else in this industry [10:19] fingers crossed you enjoy your job at canonical for years to come then [10:19] is 2.5yrs long enough to forget why you ran away screaming? [10:20] morning boys and girls. [10:20] morning brobostigon [10:21] morning MooDoo [10:22] popey: there's loads of opportunities in OSS now. One of my mates used to work at Microsoft, then Oracle (Sales roles). I kept talking to him about FOSS and he was quite sceptical. He now works for Datastax selling Cassandra and open source big data stuuf. Loves it and thinks proprietary s/w is now a dinosaur model... [10:22] shauno: haha [10:22] TheOpenSourcerer: good to hear [10:23] shauno: let's grep the ubuntu-uk logs to see how many times we can see popey scream ;) [10:25] shauno: no screaming on brobostigon stats - http://taylorworld.me.uk/ubuntu-uk.html ;) [10:26] yay 18th most active nick, czajkowski is now my next target [10:26] :) [10:26] eh [10:27] czajkowski: hehe don't worry, just looking at the ubuntu-uk stats on brobostigon page, your the 17th most active nick [10:27] i am happy someones using it. [10:27] really [10:27] I'm rather quiet in lately [10:27] that whole work thing [10:27] however [10:27] TheOpenSourcerer: did you see we're 6 nations champions :D [10:27] czajkowski: yes i can see you were last active 8 days ago :D [10:27] czajkowski: only just [10:28] czajkowski: if that french plonker hadn't passed the ball forward you wouldn't have been :p [10:28] * MooDoo sulks [10:28] czajkowski: Hi. [10:28] hehe [10:29] It was a brilliant tournament. I though Ireland deserved it just so O'driscoll can go out smiling [10:29] I think everyone saw how much he was smiling :D [10:29] We played the best rugby. France were very lucky in the first game with 2 very fortuitous bounces. [10:30] But England look very good for next year ;-) [10:30] in grub2, where is the file i edit to remove superfluous entries in grub menu? [10:30] TheOpenSourcerer: they do [10:30] I shall be looking forward to the tornament. [10:30] It was a good season, and yes as much as a I'm not a fan of BOD he did deserve to go out smiling [10:30] lets setup ##ubuntu-uk-rugby so we can rant ;) [10:30] we shall have to do another ubuntu uk rugby day out [10:30] +1 [10:31] That is a fine idea [10:32] looking forward to RAT though this year [10:32] lets hope I can make it [10:33] I'm tempted with that too [10:34] Ticket for the RAT booked. Better get on it. You can always sell it later if you can;t make it. [10:34] there's a RAT in mi kitchen [10:34] what am I gonna do? [10:35] TheOpenSourcerer: Jon already booked them, I just need to make sure I'm not travelling [10:35] will be living at an airport in May [10:35] lol [10:35] July is currently empty so far [10:36] I used to do that. Glad I don't any more. Enjoyed the airmiles and whatnot but had enough of it now. [10:36] TheOpenSourcerer: damn you....booked [10:36] lol [10:37] Just registered on the RWC site for news about ticketing. Would love to go to at least one game next year. [10:38] moop [10:38] TheOpenSourcerer: I signed up for volunteering, it's such a tedious process lol [10:38] Ah, good idea MooDoo [10:39] directhex: done 811.0 MB Rate: 0.0 / 0.0 KB Uploaded: 36771.6 MB [ R: 45.34] [10:41] i should prep a 96plus1, but i've been so busy :/ [10:43] yay, ramen for lunch again [10:44] "Eastern Style Pork" [10:45] oh, and "shallots" are weirdly named. [10:45] TheOpenSourcerer: do people book b&b's for this rat ? so I can prepare, it's long drive for me :D [10:46] Dunno - I can walk to the Farnham -> Alton train in 40mins from my house. [10:47] lol don't know why I asked, i'll sort it out [10:47] The Mulberry has rooms and is close to Farnham Station [10:47] Or, if you want a NSFW kind of stay try "Hotel de Ville" lol. [10:48] ah there are premier inns about :D [10:57] hey popey, mr "crowdfunded stuff" guy, what do you think of this? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/107750026/new-compact-step-driven-vehicle-its-your-move [10:58] TheOpenSourcerer: I was looking at the crown in alton :D [10:58] i got added to a list on twitter called "Experts on crowdfunding" [10:58] which made me lol a bit [11:00] popey: hehe [11:00] hah, those look hilarious [11:00] MooDoo: Depends on when you plan to arrive. Quite a few of us will come from Farnham so it might be better to stop here and meet up for a pre-RAT beer or two and possibly a post-RAT curry ;-) [11:01] TheOpenSourcerer: wait... so you are going to have a pre-beer train beer? :D [11:01] TheOpenSourcerer: I'll be driving down on the sat, probably morning, just looking for somewhere to stay the sat night so I can drive back sunday :D [11:01] i like the photo of him pulling it along by the front wheel [11:02] like you'd want to do that after riding through dog shit [11:02] TheOpenSourcerer: Farnham is it then :D [11:02] lol [11:02] MooDoo: Yeah - I'd stop in Farnham then. I'd be more than happy to meet up for a pre-beer train beer ;-) [11:02] TheOpenSourcerer: you sir are on :) bring chillies ;) lol [11:02] I don't know anyone who actually lives in Alton - lol [11:02] Oooh - I might just have some by then too. [11:03] Ah, finding a cheeky packet of tangfastics downstairs [11:03] excellent [11:03] Good morning peeps :) [11:03] Laney: ouch they make my tabs laugh [11:03] Aren't I just? [11:03] morning bigcalm [11:03] tabs?!?!?! [11:03] Laney: never heard that before? [11:04] probably not in this context [11:04] Take a look at the end of this Album MooDoo: https://plus.google.com/photos/104060033182234025482/albums/5975387695779422977 Some if this year's chilli plants [11:05] s/if/of [11:05] will someone buy me a bottle of red wine... i so feel like wine right now [11:05] TheOpenSourcerer: coming along quite nicely i see [11:05] :-D [11:06] jussi: red grape juice [11:06] foobarry: red grape juice + alcohol [11:58] partially digested red grape juice + yeast-pee-pee [12:00] finally! http://torrentfreak.com/uk-dvd-cd-ripping-will-legalized-summer-14032 [12:00] now i can unleash all that pent up ripping i've been holding off on because it wasn't legal :-) [12:01] 8-) [12:06] really? wow I always thought it was legal for your own copy....oooops [12:12] quick poll, does anyone think there is space in the market, for well designed dating site, specificlly for aspies? [12:13] arent there already tons of them? [12:13] no, [12:13] there are but not as he said, specifically to aspies. [12:14] you're probably asking the wrong people. [12:14] who as i know from experience, need axtra help, and crucially the site it self need to be designed differently. [12:14] you'll have to make sure you don't get 4channers or similar though [12:14] that would *kill* a site like that [12:14] brobostigon: do you know any? or belong to a group that you could probably ask? [12:15] MooDoo: yes, and yes. [12:15] MartijnVdS: definatly. [12:15] brobostigon: might be a good marketing thing for them then :D [12:16] MooDoo: maybe, yes, [12:17] does aspies mean Asperger's syndrome? [12:17] bashrc: yes. [12:17] I imagine the proportion of the population which has that is very small, but it could be a niche market [12:18] last census, if memory serves, its about 3/4 million in the uk. [12:19] that's more than I was expecting [12:19] thats those that are officiallly diagnosed. [12:19] is that ¾ million or three to four million? [12:19] I don't know much about it, other than that it's an autism type thing [12:19] brobostigon: just doing a seach shows you there are a few at the moment already === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:20] popey: the former. [12:20] brobostigon: is the goal for aspies to meet non-aspies, or non-aspies to meet aspies or aspies to meet aspies? [12:20] MooDoo: most i see, are simply very badly designed, and not helpful. [12:21] popey: mostly the latter, but all those being a possibility, in my mind, [12:21] I have tried dating sites, but they all seemed dreadful [12:21] exactly bashrc [12:21] this is why i said, crucially the design has to be so much better. [12:22] brobostigon: so why not knock something up then get your friends/group to review the site, might give you an idea about what's good/bad about it. [12:23] A site where prospective couples did something together would be better than trying to match supposed personality characteristics [12:23] MooDoo: yes, ceretainly, i have already been doing a few design ideas on paper. [12:24] bashrc: maybe both those things, can be combined together? [12:24] bashrc: but i dont want to do, personality matching, that for people to work out themselves. [12:25] in the traditional sense. [12:26] filling out long questionares is indeed boring [12:28] and most people loose patence, and eventually stop filling something in properly, once thats kicks in. [12:28] Ubuntu Touch dating app for geeks? [12:29] html5, so works on any platform, not just ubuntu. [13:09] http://www.slate.com/blogs/atlas_obscura/2014/03/27/ta_prohm_temple_in_siem_reap_cambodia_hides_a_dinosaur.html [13:09] great, now i wanna play tomb raider [13:16] brobostigon: not only dating but social networking in a way that lets u meet new people/aspies [13:16] so it could have 2 elements to it [13:17] yes. [13:17] since aspies might not want the classic first date [13:17] but get to know each other virtually first [13:17] exactly. [13:17] yep. [13:19] isn't there a popular aspie freenode chan? [13:19] wrongplanet or something? [13:20] popular, yes, useful and helpful, thats up for debate. [13:20] male/female ratio? [13:21] its about 10/1 within asd generally. [13:21] or should i say does the male female ratio also reflect male-female aspies, since most aspies i know are male and female ones have different traits to men and are actually more sociable [13:26] now you need a cool name [13:26] aspies4life [13:26] my site for obese people called blubr didn't go down well [13:26] ಠ_ಠ [13:27] :D [13:27] aspies4wife [13:27] i just need to work out basic design and features now, and how to design it. [13:27] I would have thought that was for people who want to have a cry [13:27] foobarry: nah that discounts same-sex relationships [13:28] MartijnVdS: the lesbian couple a few doors down from me refers to her partner as her husband [13:28] * foobarry was not serious suggestion [13:36] i could use something like drupal to make my life easier, then use jabber as the backend for the chat side. [13:36] Jabber \o/ [13:36] xmpp* [13:36] XMPP \o/ [13:36] lol [13:38] I'm lacking context, but for XMPP chat in web apps both https://conversejs.org/ and https://mini.jappix.com/ are good options [13:39] ty, [13:40] or for more of a full-page groupchat style, Candy: https://candy-chat.github.io/candy/ [14:07] XMPP ftw [14:07] even my remote uses it [14:07] XMPP + OTR [14:07] :) [14:07] bashrc: https://github.com/jterrace/pyharmony/blob/master/PROTOCOL.md [14:08] which reminds me, I think the default Ubuntu chat client should be OTR enabled by default [14:12] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtelepathy/+bug/296867 [14:12] Launchpad bug 296867 in empathy (Ubuntu) "empathy needs to support OTR encryption" [Wishlist,Triaged] [14:12] empathy is still default chat? [14:12] does it have plugins yet? [14:12] Yes I think so in 13.10 [14:34] thats some hail, the size of gravel. [15:21] afternoon [15:23] howdy mapp [15:26] hm [15:26] http://www.businessinsider.com/the-rudest-cities-in-the-world-2011-3?fb_action_ids=10152238769001878&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B10150414578165391%5D&action_type_map=%5B"og.recommends"%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D [15:26] manchester rudest city in the world they claim [15:26] lolno, london is far worse [15:27] i thought that too [15:27] but who knows [15:27] and how can you measure it [15:29] well i lived in manchester for like 10 years [15:29] met more rude people in london in about 10 days [15:30] but yea thats one persons experience [15:30] hard to reliably measure something like that really [15:30] this bbc death row series is quite interesting [15:57] east london is the most rude place i ever been to [15:58] people shove you to get on the tube even when you are clearly trying to get off, thats why you are in the doorwy [16:00] yea [16:00] south londons ony part i like [16:01] cant find any cheap cheap hotels...i dontwanna have to leave befoe the end of spurs game [16:01] ;/ [16:42] Would it be insane to make a VFS layer for dconf? [16:42] Like the VFS layer that Powershell has for the Windows Registry [16:42] Then you could hack around with dconf settings using normal file system tools [16:43] Just thinking of cases where there is a setting you wish to manipulate but there is no (no-generic) GUI to manipulate it [17:27] wow, Lenovo refuse to sell to the Channel Islands [17:27] (as in their online store) [17:28] :( [17:28] thinkpad purchase? [17:28] nah got a main unit for a client through dabs.com already - just want a second mains adapter now [17:28] ah. [17:29] gonna pick up a mini DP to HDMI adapter as well so he can hook it up on his boat, but of course that's more mainstream an accessory i can obtain elsewhere [17:31] ah excellent they're on amazon \o/ === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [17:38] howcome daftykins [17:39] surely dhl or fedex ship evrywhere why would someone not shi to cannel islands [17:39] channel [17:42] i think the Lenovo store are just *expletives* to be honest [17:42] we get some of these kinds of retailers or etailers sometimes that just refuse to deal with us because it involves actually thinking [17:46] #stripe [17:49] #spot [17:49] ;] [17:53] so where are you .jersey? [17:53] Guernsey [18:19] popey: did you have to do anything funky with your router to get SIP working correctly? === map is now known as Guest3812 [18:40] bigcalm: i had to switch it to modem only mode, yes [18:41] No, I mean your router, not modem. [18:41] no [18:41] I'm reading up on SIP not playing nicely with NAT [18:41] Okay :) [18:41] wfm [18:42] * popey goes to get chinese takeaway [18:43] mmm chinese [18:43] tempting but i should use my mince today [18:47] I might do a pizza run [18:50] * bigcalm blames popey [18:51] ;) [18:51] a local affair or a chain? [18:52] We don't have any independent pizza places near by. Places that do do pizza are all the same and mostly base :( [18:52] So will likely drive to pizzahut or dominos [19:01] * bigcalm looks at the cheese burger pizza in bewilderment [19:02] i remember being horrified at how much dominoes costs [19:02] (we don't have any pizza chains over here) [19:03] I wish we lived closer to ASK or Pizza Express [19:03] Those are damn fine foods [19:06] bug 1248948 [19:06] bug 1248948 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "lightdm gets confused after multiple login/logouts" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1248948 [19:07] haha [19:07] that's not a good bug [19:08] don't worry, i alread fixed it [19:09] bug 1256150 is same bug [19:09] bug 1256150 in lightdm (Ubuntu Saucy) "Xorg guest session fails to start if the user has logged out and logged in again" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1256150 [19:10] needs testing for saucy-sru by the looks of it [20:11] ugh [20:11] thunder/lightning and lotsa rain..got stuck in it [20:19] mapps: very very frightening? [20:35] Galilo, Galileo [20:35] * popey does the fandago [20:36] Magnifico :) [20:57] yes [20:58] i was very scared MartijnVdS [20:58] :P [20:58] not really..but getting soaked isnt ideal [21:35] popey: I had pizza. I regretted it [21:35] popey: you are to blame :P [21:37] i had chinese [21:37] way too much, loads of left-overs [21:37] I should have gone that route as well [21:39] At 11%, think I'll have just the one beer tonight [21:46] anyone recommend a good budget camcorder? [21:47] how much do you want to spend? [21:47] and what do you want to use it for? [21:48] miscellaneous, including youtube quality vids, with internal mic [21:48] HD is nice [21:48] a good quality web cam will serve you better than a cheap camcorder if you want to make youtube videos - and also be cheaper [22:23] hello === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Backup === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte|Backup is now known as Lcawte|Away [23:41] morning [23:41] hi [23:42] lo [23:42] heh: http://i.imgur.com/oXQgLWk.jpg [23:43] no surprise, I think I know one or two people who use bing [23:43] I think they must be the blip from 2009 [23:43] is that the numbers for people searching Google for 'yahoo', 'google' or 'bing', though? [23:43] donno [23:44] everyone knows that searching google for 'google' can break the internet. [23:44] "news reference volume" [23:52] does anyone know any decent video editors? I tried avidemux but it crashes reproducibly all the time. [23:53] I got bored of avidemux once I hit 3 bugs (2 of which are crash bugs) [23:56] blender [23:57] but it depends what you are trying to do [23:57] ali1234: cut, paste. That's literally all I need [23:58] blender is comparable to after effects... although far far harder to use [23:58] how many cuts do you want to make? [23:58] 1 xD [23:58] then you don't want a video editor [23:58] I could do it with ffmpeg in all honesty but ffmpeg doesn't seem to like the video file [23:58] just use ffmpeg/avconv [23:58] if ffmpeg doesn't like the video then no video editor will play it either [23:58] convert it first [23:59] they all use ffmpeg/libav internally anyway [23:59] all video players play it, it's a standard avi, ffmpeg has problems with things all the time where it refuses to convert things [23:59] there is no such thing as a standard avi [23:59] oh hey I got it to work, passed it -acodec copy and it was happier. [23:59] figures