[00:01] <ochosi> ali1234: i guess that's good news, that xfdesktop on its own doesn't leak
[00:03] <pleia2> G+ed
[00:11] <ali1234> ochosi: standalone'd... it leaks like crazy
[00:16] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7165783/ - this leaks 1 gig per minute
[00:25] <ochosi> ali1234: any clue yet whether accountsservice itself is to blame yet?
[00:26] <ali1234> not sure
[00:26] <ali1234> looks like it could be a gio bug
[00:27] <ali1234> i'm trying to get the minimal code to cause the leak
[00:29] <ali1234> hmm
[00:31] <ali1234> wwaaaaait a minute...
[00:31] <ali1234> okay this is a really obvious bug
[00:31] <ali1234> it never unrefs the "user" object
[00:31] <ali1234> that's it
[00:31] <ochosi> oh
[00:31] <ochosi> cool
[00:32] <ali1234> yep, that's it
[00:32] <ali1234> it still leaks a little bit
[00:33] <ali1234> but it's like 10 mb per minute now
[00:33] <ochosi> sounds like a 100 times better (literally)
[00:34] <knome> little bit is 10MB per minute? huhu
[00:34] <ali1234> well it's calling the function thousands of times per second
[00:35] <ali1234> it's probably leaking like 2 bytes per background change
[00:35] <knome> :P
[00:36] <ochosi> ali1234: so we gotta update the accountsservice patch then accordingly...
[00:36] <ochosi> and ideally Noskcaj can update his sponsoring request with the xfdesktop patches from git
[00:36] <ochosi> and include the fixed patch
[00:37] <ali1234> yeah
[00:37] <ochosi> so it should be a one-line fix, right?
[00:37] <ali1234> two lines
[00:38] <knome> DAMN
[00:38] <ochosi> ok, that's still quite concise
[00:38] <bluesabre0> I agree with knome.  two lines, that's horrible.
[00:38] <bluesabre0> ;)
[00:38] <knome> any way you could squeeze it to one line?
[00:38] <ali1234> yes but it would break coding standards
[00:38] <knome> seriously, you're doing a massacre on our code.
[00:39] <knome> it's unacceptable
[00:39] <ali1234> if(user) g_object_unref(user);
[00:39] <knome> ...i'm just kidding
[00:39] <ali1234> me too
[00:39] <knome> goodie
[00:42] <ali1234> do you have to g_error_free a GError even if there was no error?
[00:43] <ali1234> no, apparently not
[00:43] <ali1234> okay so whatever leak remains is a gio bug
[00:44] <ochosi> well, as long as the major leak is fixed, i think we can live with it for 14.04
[00:51] <knome> ochosi, ping here actually
[00:51] <ochosi> aha aha
[00:52] <knome> bug 1298711
[00:53] <ochosi> that looks a bit... empty? :)
[00:53] <knome> well... yes
[00:53] <knome> can we go through the changes we need
[00:53] <knome> and i'll get the approval stamp for that in a minute
[00:54] <knome> i've been basically given the approval, as long as we don't use a 20x20px tiled wallpaper of naked breasts [sic]
[00:54] <ochosi> two binary files need to be uploaded, one for greeter, one for desktop
[00:54] <ochosi> awwwwh
[00:54] <ochosi> and we need to update the symlink
[00:54] <ochosi> as long as i get all the files, i can push those changes to trunk and do a new release of xubuntu-artwork
[00:54] <ochosi> but we'll need a sponsor
[00:54] <knome> package names?
[00:55] <knome> wasn't micahg going to be online and uploading today at 1utc
[00:55] <knome> that is, in 5 minutes
[00:55] <knome> what's the greeter package/branch
[00:55] <ochosi> it's all in xubuntu-artwork
[00:55] <ochosi> i'm considering to sneak in a few icon updates too
[00:55] <ochosi> would you mind that?
[00:55] <ochosi> it's no new icons, just additional sizes
[00:55] <knome> i would... unless you describe them in the bug
[00:55] <knome> :P
[00:55] <ochosi> (and probably not even many)
[00:56] <knome> greeter package name?
[00:56] <knome> or is that in xubuntu-artwork as well?
[00:57] <knome> you are confusing me by being too exact.
[00:57] <ochosi> yes
[00:57] <ochosi> it's all there
[00:58] <ochosi> both the greeter and plymouth point to the same wallpaper path
[00:58] <knome> mhm
[00:58] <ochosi> which is shipped in xubuntu-artwork
[00:58] <ochosi> and xfdesktop points to another wallpaper-path, which is also in xubuntu-artwork
[00:58] <knome> hmm, additional icon sizes are bugfixes
[00:58] <knome> so i guess you should take it to micahg
[00:58] <ochosi> if i'm still around when he gets here...
[00:59] <knome> see bug 1298711 again
[00:59] <knome> and tell me if it's okay for release team approval
[00:59] <ochosi> did you just copy-paste what i said in here? :)
[00:59] <knome> almost!
[00:59] <ochosi> well we should actually push the wallpaper first
[00:59] <knome> okay
[01:00] <ochosi> then it'll be ready for ubuntu-release
[01:00] <knome> are we fine with what we have now?
[01:00] <knome> well,
[01:00] <knome> they said they don't mind if it's not in the branch...
[01:00] <knome> but did you want to look at it again in the library?
[01:00] <knome> or should we just push?
[01:00] <ochosi> i guess pretty much. if you wanna push it tonight then i don't have any further thoughts on the wallpaper
[01:01] <knome> ok.
[01:01] <knome> 1920x1200 or bigger?
[01:02] <ochosi> look at the spec for our wallpaper contest for the correct resolution ;)
[01:02] <ochosi> btw, we could fix this bug along the way: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-look/+bug/1292550
[01:02] <ochosi> cause it also affects us (if we even care that much)
[01:02] <knome> hmm
[01:03] <knome> we can do it with another push when we fix other issues with the wallpapers
[01:03] <ochosi> not sure those issues are in xubuntu-artwork
[01:05] <knome> ok, so http://temp.knome.fi/.w/xubuntu-trusty.png
[01:05] <knome> OMG IT'S PUBLIC!
[01:05] <knome> :)
[01:05] <knome> ochosi, want to push it?
[01:06] <ochosi> will do in a minute
[01:06] <ochosi> where's the second version?
[01:06] <knome> thanks
[01:07] <knome> oh, oops
[01:07] <knome> which name?
[01:07] <ochosi> wallpaper.png :)
[01:07] <bluesabre0> knome: fancy, I approve very much
[01:07] <knome> coming!
[01:07] <knome> bluesabre0, good...
[01:07] <ochosi> bluesabre0: it came with much headache ;)
[01:07] <knome> we've used probably at least 80 hours each on it with simon
[01:07] <knome> err,
[01:07] <knome> 8 hours
[01:08] <knome> wallpaper.png is in the same directory
[01:08] <bluesabre0> (go with 80, your dedication will be admired)
[01:08] <knome> heh
[01:08] <knome> well i've probably used more than 8...
[01:08] <knome> we've both worked at least 3 hours on today alone
[01:08] <ochosi> knome: btw, have you tested the wallpaper.png one in context?
[01:08] <ochosi> i.e. with the greeter
[01:09] <knome> no
[01:09] <knome> i can't see why it would fail
[01:09] <knome> i mean, yeah, windows can overlap the lines, but... so? :)
[01:09] <ochosi> yeah, it most likely wont look totally awful :)
[01:09] <knome> if it does, let's do a bugfix release!
[01:09] <bluesabre0> :D
[01:10] <knome> i'm so sick of this
[01:10] <knome> pleia2, PING!
[01:11] <knome> pleia2, pick your wallpaper for a screenshot, or wait for the next daily
[01:11] <ochosi> pusing...
[01:11] <ochosi> pushing...
[01:11] <knome> haha
[01:11] <knome> or should i say
[01:11] <knome> aa
[01:12] <ochosi> :)
[01:12] <knome> no changelog update?
[01:12] <ochosi> yeah, when i do the release
[01:13] <ochosi> i also need to bump the version number
[01:13] <knome> oki
[01:13] <ochosi> better to do two separate commits
[01:13] <knome> ok, getting a release team ACK
[01:16] <ochosi> changelog pushed
[01:16] <ochosi> apart from xubuntu-t-bugs we're looking pretty solid now
[01:17] <knome> aaaand we have the UIFe
[01:17] <bluesabre0> freaking lightning
[01:18] <Unit193> bluesabre0: The weather event or thunderbird extension? :P
[01:18] <bluesabre0> knome's approval speed
[01:18] <knome> haha
[01:19] <knome> well i was asking in advance
[01:19] <knome> and since they were like "yeah whatever, you barely even need to UIFe..."
[01:19] <knome> bluesabre0, http://temp.knome.fi/.w/trusty-yellow.png
[01:19] <knome> bluesabre0, for your pleasure
[01:19] <knome> bluesabre0, variant provided by simon
[01:20] <ochosi> :)
[01:20] <ochosi> actually i'd do the gradient a bit different now or add a little vignetting
[01:20] <bluesabre0> interesting
[01:20] <ochosi> but i still like the palette
[01:20] <knome> in addition to that, i have like 10 blue variants...
[01:20] <bluesabre0> you can make this one transparent again
[01:22] <knome> now that we have the official one out of the door, we can do whatever color variations
[01:23] <bluesabre0> I think Unit193 requested a teal/magenta variant
[01:23] <knome> hah
[01:23] <ochosi> do we want to add any other keyboard shortcuts apart from updating the existing one for whiskermenu? (ctrl+esc)
[01:24] <bluesabre0> dunno
[01:24] <ochosi> e.g. ctrl+alt+l for locking?
[01:24] <bluesabre0> I need to check which ones we have now
[01:24] <ochosi> me too :)
[01:24] <Unit193> Wallpaper isn't my favorite, but better than the yellow one. :P
[01:25] <knome> Unit193, i can do a black one for you.
[01:25] <brainwash> black on black?
[01:25] <knome> do you prefer some color with it, or just shades of grey?
[01:26] <brainwash> 50 shades?
[01:26] <bluesabre0> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/view/head:/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml
[01:26] <knome> har har
[01:26] <Unit193> I don't normally do defaults, but blackish with red "trim" would be the most likely to be used by me. :P
[01:26] <knome> okay, let's see
[01:26] <Unit193> But, yeah.  Feel free to ignore me, looks good enough for default.
[01:26] <knome> well we discussed about doing a blog post on the variants
[01:27] <brainwash> how about a svg version and some script to change it dynamically? rainbow version anyone?
[01:27] <knome> >__<
[01:27] <bluesabre0> ochosi: I think we're good with what we have
[01:28] <bluesabre0> we even have killitwithfire
[01:28] <knome> you can do that with the svg once it's published.
[01:28] <brainwash> I would call it the "nyan mouse edition"
[01:28] <bluesabre0> :D
[01:28] <ochosi> only once the xfdesktop leak is fixed :)
[01:28] <ochosi> otherwise the rainbow-version will eat your ram for breakfast
[01:28]  * bluesabre0 wants to do a nyan-xfce-mouse video for the 14.04 release
[01:29] <ochosi> ali1234: can/will you update the patch or do you need help?
[01:30] <Unit193> bluesabre0: Heh, nice. :P
[01:30] <bluesabre0> knome: any plans for 14.04 promotional videos?
[01:30] <knome> bluesabre0, like?
[01:30] <bluesabre0> dunno
[01:30] <knome> hah
[01:30] <bluesabre0> I was thinking about trying to do a release highlights video
[01:31] <bluesabre0> didn't want to duplicate work
[01:31] <bluesabre0> :)
[01:32] <bluesabre0> also, magically the dropbox indicator started working again today
[01:32] <bluesabre0> huzzah!
[01:32] <ochosi> nice
[01:33] <ochosi> bluesabre0: if i update a changelog but don't know who will update/upload the package, whose name do i put down?
[01:34] <bluesabre0> ochosi, just do "dch" and add your changes.  whoever does the uplaod will update it with "dch -i" or something like that
[01:34] <bluesabre0> Unit193 can be more specific here
[01:35] <Unit193> I don't often use dch, actually.  Until you actually want it uploaded, target UNRELEASED.
[01:36] <Unit193> UNRELEASED basically means "Not ready for upload", once you're ready, you change to whatever you want to target (trusty, unstable, etc.)
[01:36] <knome> Unit193, http://temp.knome.fi/.w/black.png
[01:36] <knome> Unit193, just a quick draft.
[01:36] <knome> it has banding, but blah.
[01:36] <Unit193> Wohoo, me likeie.
[01:37] <ochosi> bluesabre0: ok
[01:38] <knome> Unit193, can send the svg to you/ochosi, who can improve it further
[01:38] <knome> Unit193, with some lovely pink tones
[01:38] <Unit193> Hah. :P
[01:38] <ochosi> Unit193: right, but i want it uploaded, so target UNRELEASED blows, no? well i guess micahg will change this anyway..
[01:39] <ochosi> whenever micahg gets here, feel free to point him to this MR: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xubuntu-default-settings/appmenu_shortcut/+merge/213181
[01:39] <knome> my take is: target UNRELEASED until you know somebody will upload it as it is now.
[01:39] <Unit193> You broke my shortcut. :(
[01:39] <ochosi> Unit193: no, i only proposed to break it
[01:39] <Unit193> :P
[01:39] <ochosi> i broke your default panel setup too
[01:39] <ochosi> so who cares
[01:39] <knome> haa haa!
[01:40] <ochosi> suddenly knome sounds like nelson
[01:40] <knome> lately a lot
[01:41] <pleia2> knome: it's beer time! what do you want? :)
[01:41] <pleia2> oh, wallpaper, yay!
[01:42] <pleia2> I can wait for the next daily :) I said I'd do the screenshots over the weekend
[01:43] <knome> pleia2, i just had emeliess saison
[01:43] <knome> emelisse too
[01:43] <knome> i guess i should drink the westvleteren 12 on release day...
[01:43] <pleia2> I was too lazy to go all the way to the proper beer store, so I ended up with just a couple local IPAs
[01:43] <knome> awwh
[01:44] <knome> http://www.brewdog.com/product/to-l-cloud-9-wit
[01:44] <knome> i have that on stock :)
[01:49] <ochosi> night everyone!
[01:50] <knome> nighty ochosi 
[02:33] <bluesabre0> micahg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1298741
[02:33] <bluesabre0> I was going to do the wallpaper package tonight too, but I am getting light-headed, need to get some rest
[02:34] <bluesabre0> be back tomorrow
[02:34] <bluesabre0> night all
[02:36] <knome> nighty bluesabre0 
[02:37] <bluesabre0> ah, the wallpaper package has native packaging, so I didn't need to do that anyway :)
[02:42] <knome> i'm off to bed as well
[02:42] <knome> micahg, please see bug 1298711, everything is ready for an upload
[07:30] <Noskcaj> ali1234, can i have a link to the new patch for xfdesktop4?
[07:53] <brainwash> did the very recent python package upgrades mess up mugshot?
[07:54] <brainwash> it won't start anymore
[07:55] <Unit193> Working here.
[07:55] <elfy> and here
[07:55] <Unit193> ^C doesn't work. >_>
[07:56] <Unit193>  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mugshot_lib/Window.py", line 84, in on_destroy
[07:56] <Unit193>     def on_destroy(self, widget, data=None):
[07:56] <Unit193> KeyboardInterrupt
[07:56] <Unit193> -9 it is.
[07:57] <Unit193> brainwash: Use -v or -vv ?
[07:57] <brainwash> not needed, it's a seg fault
[07:57] <brainwash> strange
[07:58] <brainwash> let me check what upgrades I've downloaded and applied 
[08:02] <brainwash> catfish also crashes :)
[08:03] <Unit193> menulibre?
[08:03] <brainwash> nope, menulibre runs fine
[08:05] <brainwash> bluesabre0 help!
[08:06] <elfy> catfish works fine here - just updated/graded
[08:06] <brainwash> got proposed enabled?
[08:06] <brainwash> I do
[08:06] <elfy> nope
[08:07] <brainwash> maybe something wrong at my end.. but it did work like 3 hours ago
[08:16] <Unit193> Proposed is the testing grounds and where things sit until everything is built as part of a transition, not supposed to be enabled.
[08:20] <brainwash> testing ground, exactly what I'm looking for
[08:23] <Unit193> Erm..
[08:25] <elfy> perhaps that's why stuff breaks all the time for you then :)
[08:25] <brainwash> it breaks for me all the time? nah
[08:26] <brainwash> not without a good reason :P
[08:26] <elfy> :)
[08:26] <elfy> I guess it doesn't help that you've got the whole repository installed too :p
[08:27] <Unit193> Hah.
[08:28] <brainwash> this does not seem to cause any harm, other than mixed default settings for the gnome3 based sessions
[08:57] <ochosi> morning everyone
[09:13] <elfy> morning ochosi 
[09:13] <ochosi> hey elfy 
[09:19] <brainwash> hi ochosi 
[09:19] <ochosi> morning brainwash 
[09:50] <olbi> hi guys, in Whisker menu there are items, like Web Browser, File Manager and Mail Reader which aren't default translating into proper lang. I can do this by using Menu Editor, by I want it by default in my lang.
[09:50] <ochosi> those are the items from exo, i.e. xfce upstream
[09:50] <ochosi> they're not related to whiskermenu
[09:55] <olbi> so translating them in transifex?
[09:56] <ochosi> yup
[09:56] <ochosi> and then wait for xfce to do a release of that with your translations, and for xubuntu to pick up the release and ship it
[09:57] <olbi> that's my fault not to tell you that in time, but XChat doesn't have a new version from long time, we should change it to Smuxi :)
[09:57]  * ochosi shrugs
[09:57] <ochosi> not going to happen for T, best to write a spec for it for T+1
[09:57] <ochosi> feel free to go ahead and do it
[09:59] <ochosi> just saying cause ppl seem to think stuff is going to happen if they just come here and state a recommendation/idea
[09:59] <olbi> shit, no one approved changes in translation in transifex for exo for my lang :/
[10:00] <bluesabre0> olbi: smuxi uses mono, so probably not going to happen
[10:00] <ochosi> oh, hah, there you go :)
[10:00] <bluesabre0> I wish it didn't, because it is certainly nicer than xchat
[10:01] <ochosi> doesn't elementary have a nice irc app?
[10:01] <ochosi> (never used/tested it though)
[10:01] <bluesabre0> probably
[10:01] <bluesabre0> the new gnome one is looking good too
[10:01] <bluesabre0> but its attached to g-o-a, and has a headerbar
[10:02] <ochosi> :/
[10:02] <ochosi> well the headerbar itself is not the problem, as soon as we get ali1234's headerbar fixes for xfwm4
[10:02] <ochosi> it's more the gnome-depends that make this a headache
[10:02] <bluesabre0> yup
[10:02] <bluesabre0> I hope the elementary apps start rolling into the main archive
[10:02] <ochosi> indeed
[10:03] <bluesabre0> there are quite a few that would be good to considwer
[10:03] <ochosi> mhm
[10:04] <elfy> does the new gnome one have more than a connect and disconnect button .... 
[10:04] <ochosi> huhu
[10:04] <elfy> couldn't help it :p
[10:12] <brainwash> hexchat is available
[10:12] <Unit193> ochosi: Headerbars are still very crappy, I'd never support one.  Hexchat is the best bet.
[10:13] <Unit193> (If there were good alternatives, and for IRC there is.)
[10:28] <olbi> ochosi: could You aprrove polish translation for LightLocker?
[10:28] <olbi> in transifex?
[10:30] <hobgoblin> this Cable irc client is a bit basic ... 
[10:30] <ochosi> right
[10:31] <ochosi> olbi: i think i can, lemme quickly check
[10:33] <olbi> ok
[10:35] <Unit193> hobgoblin: Was?
[10:35] <ochosi> olbi: seems 100% translated on transifex, where would i have to approve?
[10:35] <elfy> was what?
[10:37] <olbi> ochosi: I have information: uncommitted
[10:38] <ochosi> olbi: it's possible that it hasn't been merged back to github
[10:38] <olbi> ochosi: oh, that's why
[10:38] <olbi> ochosi: but it's strange cause this translation has about 2 weeks and should be done
[10:39] <olbi> today updates for xub 14.04 doesn't has this
[10:41] <ochosi> that is no surprise
[10:41] <ochosi> if it was pulled to github, it got released with 1.4.0
[10:41] <ochosi> and that hasn't been uploaded to xubuntu 14.04 yet
[10:43] <bluesabre0> if there are no updates, we can provide an ubuntu translations patch prior to the 14.04 release
[10:43] <ochosi> there are 4 new strings
[10:43] <ochosi> so hmpf
[10:43] <ochosi> i'd just wait for 1.4.0 to land
[10:43] <ochosi> the FFe has been granted already, so it's mostly a matter of time
[10:44] <bluesabre0> oh right
[10:44] <bluesabre0> wasn't quite reading everything
[10:44] <bluesabre0> but that does apply to other apps :)
[10:45] <brainwash> bluesabre0: any idea why mugshot, catfish and update-manager segfault almost immediately and menulibre does not?
[10:45] <brainwash> how is menulibre different?
[10:46] <brainwash> maybe I should just revert all recent trusty/proposed upgrades :/
[10:47] <ochosi> none of that segfaults for me
[10:48] <brainwash> it does for me since today
[10:48]  * ochosi decides not to run upgrades today
[10:48] <brainwash> but still, why is menulibre not affected.. that's strange
[10:49] <elfy> ochosi: they all work here - updated/upgraded - but I've not got proposed turned on
[10:50] <elfy> ochosi: I need to start pushing upgrade testing - but not sure at the moment if there are things not there yet? knome seemed to intimate that we might not have everything still 
[10:50] <ochosi> elfy: yes, light-locker 1.4.0 is awaiting upload (FFe already granted)
[10:51] <elfy> ok 
[10:51] <knome> ochosi, i was more concerned regarding upgrades, and for example, the indicators situation
[10:51] <ochosi> indicators should be fine
[10:51] <knome> ochosi, eg. if we clean up as much stuff as we can
[10:51] <ochosi> "clean up"? ah you mean remove gtk2 indicators?
[10:51] <knome> yeah, stuff like that
[10:51] <ochosi> no, none of that is taking place. even xscreensaver remains installed
[10:51] <knome> okay
[10:52] <knome> is there a bug for that?
[10:52] <ochosi> it's a bit annoying, because that means ppl have two settings panels for screensaver -> confusing
[10:52] <knome> yes
[10:52] <ochosi> the gtk2 indicators aren't that much of a concern
[10:52] <knome> okat
[10:52] <knome> *okay
[10:52] <elfy> ochosi: but light-locker is used in preference after upgrade regardless of having xscreensaver installed?
[10:52] <ochosi> would be good to get rid of them, but as i don't know how anyway...
[10:52] <ochosi> elfy: yes
[10:53] <knome> well we should investigate
[10:53] <elfy> thought so - ty ochosi 
[10:53] <knome> at least if it affects installs..
[10:53] <knome> i mean,
[10:53] <knome> it's not a huge issue if packages are installed but not used
[10:53] <knome> as long as they don't start running and giving an unwanted experience
[10:54] <ochosi> xscreensaver will most likely be running, but not doing anything
[10:54] <ochosi> anyway, tbh i don't think i have time to investigate this issue
[10:54] <ochosi> someone with more packaging/distro experience should take this up
[10:54] <knome> yes... but is there a bug or something for that?
[10:55] <ochosi> i'll try to work on the settings sync for xfce4-session/xfpm/light-locker-settings with respect to "lock on suspend", that's kinda enough for now
[10:55] <ochosi> not that i know iof
[10:55] <ochosi> i wouldn#t even be sure what to file it against
[10:55] <ochosi> probably xubuntu-meta
[10:55] <ochosi> but i dunno
[10:57] <elfy> knome: not sure what's up with the two beta release note pages - the common infrastructure bits are all fubar - I've no idea what's up with them
[10:57] <brainwash> but if no package depends on xscreensaver anymore, it should get removed automatically during the upgrade process, or?
[10:57] <knome> elfy, hmm?
[10:58] <ochosi> brainwash: i really have no clue how upgrades work exactly, would be cool if you could test...
[10:58] <elfy> Include: Nothing found for "^##StartTrustyReleaseBugs"! for instance 
[10:58] <knome> hmm right
[10:58] <knome> paste me the link
[10:58] <elfy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Beta1/Xubuntu
[10:59] <elfy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Beta2/Xubuntu
[11:01] <knome> fixed
[11:02] <elfy> ta :)
[11:09] <brainwash> ochosi: not sure what has changed, but I did the upgrade to trusty months ago and xscreensaver got even removed on the normal update runs
[11:09] <ochosi> well if that happens, then the gtk2 indicators should also go away by default, no?
[11:09] <brainwash> I reinstalled it like 2-3 times
[11:10] <brainwash> unless they are marked as manually installed 
[11:12] <brainwash> I don't feel like downloading saucy, installing it, upgrading it and then still not having a clue about what's going on
[11:13] <elfy> why should you be any different :p
[11:14] <brainwash> don't you do this stuff like every day? :P
[11:14] <elfy> confusion - absolutely :p
[11:18] <brainwash> you could run "apt-mark showmanual | grep xscreensaver" to check if xscreensaver is marked as manually installed
[11:21] <ochosi> brainwash: you can also download precise ;)
[11:21] <ochosi> my system is a clean install btw, so that command doesn'
[11:21] <ochosi> t make sense to test for me
[12:31] <wabbla> hi all, i just saw that, the option "encrypt homefolder" when adding a user is gone in 14.04. is that intended?
[12:34] <brainwash> wabbla: hey
[12:34] <brainwash> you mean the settings manager > users and groups?
[12:34] <brainwash> tool
[12:34] <wabbla> yes
[12:35] <brainwash> the checkbox is still there for me
[12:37] <wabbla> it's not here for me. that's interesting. maybe the window is too small.
[12:37] <wabbla> it should be in the first dialog, when it asks for the username, right?
[12:37] <brainwash> or a missing dependency
[12:37] <brainwash> yes
[12:38] <brainwash> close to the bottom
[12:38] <knome> elfy... i just can't reproduce bug 1294209 :)
[12:38] <brainwash> boo
[12:38] <brainwash> mark as incomplete :)
[12:38] <ochosi> knome: me neither
[12:38] <ochosi> iirc elfy said he can't either with a new user..?
[12:38] <knome> hmm, aha
[12:39] <knome> not in the bug report though
[12:39] <brainwash> some log file would be helpful, but elfy stated there is nothing special logged
[12:41] <elfy> wabbla brainwash I don't see it in a machine installed yesterday
[12:41] <elfy> knome: I can only reproduce that on this machine - it's not long for this world ... 
[12:41] <brainwash> ok, lets check why it hides the option
[12:42] <knome> elfy, oki, marked it as incomplete, open if it reappears with any other machine or you have any better debug information
[12:43] <elfy> ok
[12:43] <wabbla> brainwash: i installed encfs and libpam-encfs, it still doesn't appear. will logout, and maybe reboot if that changes something.
[12:45] <brainwash> wabbla: is ecryptfs-utils installed?
[12:46] <wabbla> brainwash: not by me. i will try that
[12:46] <brainwash> encfs is usually not being used to encrypt the home partition
[12:49] <elfy> there were issues with encrypted home install tests during beta - coincidence probably
[12:49] <wabbla> brainwash: ah, here it is (with ecryptfs-utils). cool, not a bug :-)
[12:51] <wabbla> another issue with playing around with encrypted installs yesterday: xubuntu does not boot, if i check "encrypt filesystem" in installation of a KVM guest
[12:52] <brainwash> so it's a full disk encryption?
[12:53] <wabbla> yes, that option when you have when choosing the partitioning setup, lvm etc.
[12:54] <brainwash> possibly a general ubuntu issue or regression
[12:54]  * elfy tries here in vb
[12:54] <wabbla> in virtualbox it works.
[12:54]  * elfy doesn't bother
[12:55] <brainwash> oh, so it's a special case
[12:56] <brainwash> I suggest that you try to ask in #ubuntu+1 and/or #ubuntu-devel
[12:57] <wabbla> yes, maybe it never worked ... ok, not that i need it, i was just trying. but home encryption is nice to have.
[12:58] <brainwash> feel free to file a bug report on launchpad :)
[12:59] <elfy> sun's out - so am I
[13:40] <SergioAD> Hello
[13:40] <SergioAD> I am SergioAD a fan of Xubuntu
[13:42] <SergioAD> I am a Linux user since six years and I am here to suggest the new style of Xubuntu 14.10 now because you know wat the end of the Winbugs XP is soon, well lets start
[13:44] <SergioAD> my suggested style is the next the panel on the buttom whisker menu firefox show desktop parole task manager separator systray indicators clock and log out boton
[13:45] <brainwash> SergioAD: hello there, why do you want to focus on 14.10 already? 14.04 is a very important release which requires our full attention right now
[13:45] <brainwash> on top of that, saying something in this chat might or will get lost
[13:46] <brainwash> so it would be very nice if you could create a document or wiki page to visualize your ideas for 14.10
[13:47] <brainwash> and share it after the actual release of 14.04
[13:47] <SergioAD> brainwash, because it will be LTS :)
[13:48] <SergioAD> OK
[13:48] <SergioAD> how can I do it?
[13:49] <knome> SergioAD, is it just a proposal, or are you willing to work with others and improve and argument for it?
[13:49] <knome> my intention is not to sound negative or bitter... it's just that many of these ideas end up being ideas and not much more
[13:50] <knome> so unless you have a clear target and intention and motivation to push it forward, creating a wikipage won't be of much help
[13:51] <SergioAD> knome, I have it, my intention is make Xubuntu ideal for new users and make it better
[13:52] <knome> in that case, use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications to create a new spec for the U-cycle
[13:52] <SergioAD> OK
[13:53] <knome> after you've done that, and you think you have covered all the issues mentioned in the spec template, send an email to the xubuntu-devel mailing list
[13:53] <knome> introducing both yourself and the spec you have written
[13:53] <knome> and thanks
[14:03] <micahg> hello
[14:04] <knome> hey
[14:04] <micahg> I'll get the FFe stuff uploaded as soon as I can
[14:06] <knome> UIFe too? ;)
[14:07] <knome> micahg, also, if you have any ideas about the failing wallpaper issue, feel free to poke at it
[14:09] <micahg> knome: sure
[14:09] <micahg> if I can get a list somewhere (or if it's in the sponsorship queue)
[14:10] <knome> bug 1298711
[14:10] <micahg> I haven't worked much with ubiquity
[14:10] <knome> the branch is prepared.
[14:10] <micahg> ok, great
[14:14] <knome> bug 1282227
[14:16] <knome> i'm off.
[14:16] <knome> thanks micahg 
[14:16] <knome> -<
[14:19] <micahg> ok
[15:42] <elfy> it's raining and I'm back
[15:44] <jhenke> hi
[15:44] <elfy> hi jhenke 
[15:47] <brainwash> elfy: some hours later, next batch of upgrades -> affected python apps launch properly again :)
[15:47] <elfy> brainwash: lol - so turn off proposed :p
[15:50] <brainwash> yes sir
[15:50] <brainwash> :)
[15:56] <elfy> brainwash: lol 
[15:56]  * elfy updates to see what's new 
[15:57] <elfy> not very much 
[18:02] <elfy> lderan: be my guest at calling for that help now :)
[18:58] <brainwash> Noskcaj: should we also fix/refresh our custom xfdesktop patch and add it to the merge request?
[18:58] <brainwash> or wait for the next one
[18:59] <Noskcaj> brainwash, might as well add it to this one. Link to the patch?
[18:59] <brainwash> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1295614
[18:59] <Noskcaj> I have to finish some gnome stuff first though
[18:59] <brainwash> well, the patch has not been refreshed yet
[18:59] <brainwash> wait, my PPA has it
[19:00] <brainwash> https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+junk/xfdesktop4-debian
[19:00] <brainwash> debian/patches/xubuntu_set-accountsservice-user-bg.patch
[19:03] <brainwash> I'm also trying to fix the last xfdesktop related issue in our -bugs list, but this will take more time, so it will be patched later (hopefully)
[19:04] <brainwash> xfdesktop not showing icons for network icons
[19:09] <elfy> brainwash: yea - pretty sure I've seen that when testing something
[19:10] <elfy> gigolo 
[19:11] <brainwash> gigolo and thunar know how to handle network shares, but it's a new feature in xfdesktop and apparently not tested enough
[19:12] <elfy> yea - just saying where I'd seen it
[20:59] <jhenke> good night
[21:57] <brainwash> slickymaster: can we close bug 1214361?
[21:59] <brainwash> appears to be an one time crash