[00:01] ali1234: i guess that's good news, that xfdesktop on its own doesn't leak [00:03] G+ed [00:11] ochosi: standalone'd... it leaks like crazy [00:16] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7165783/ - this leaks 1 gig per minute [00:25] ali1234: any clue yet whether accountsservice itself is to blame yet? [00:26] not sure [00:26] looks like it could be a gio bug [00:27] i'm trying to get the minimal code to cause the leak [00:29] hmm [00:31] wwaaaaait a minute... [00:31] okay this is a really obvious bug [00:31] it never unrefs the "user" object [00:31] that's it [00:31] oh [00:31] cool [00:32] yep, that's it [00:32] it still leaks a little bit [00:33] but it's like 10 mb per minute now [00:33] sounds like a 100 times better (literally) [00:34] little bit is 10MB per minute? huhu [00:34] well it's calling the function thousands of times per second [00:35] it's probably leaking like 2 bytes per background change [00:35] :P [00:36] ali1234: so we gotta update the accountsservice patch then accordingly... [00:36] and ideally Noskcaj can update his sponsoring request with the xfdesktop patches from git [00:36] and include the fixed patch [00:37] yeah [00:37] so it should be a one-line fix, right? [00:37] two lines [00:38] DAMN [00:38] ok, that's still quite concise [00:38] I agree with knome. two lines, that's horrible. [00:38] ;) [00:38] any way you could squeeze it to one line? [00:38] yes but it would break coding standards [00:38] seriously, you're doing a massacre on our code. [00:39] it's unacceptable [00:39] if(user) g_object_unref(user); [00:39] ...i'm just kidding [00:39] me too [00:39] goodie [00:42] do you have to g_error_free a GError even if there was no error? [00:43] no, apparently not [00:43] okay so whatever leak remains is a gio bug [00:44] well, as long as the major leak is fixed, i think we can live with it for 14.04 [00:51] ochosi, ping here actually [00:51] aha aha [00:52] bug 1298711 [00:52] bug 1298711 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] New Xubuntu wallpaper" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1298711 [00:53] that looks a bit... empty? :) [00:53] well... yes [00:53] can we go through the changes we need [00:53] and i'll get the approval stamp for that in a minute [00:54] i've been basically given the approval, as long as we don't use a 20x20px tiled wallpaper of naked breasts [sic] [00:54] two binary files need to be uploaded, one for greeter, one for desktop [00:54] awwwwh [00:54] and we need to update the symlink [00:54] as long as i get all the files, i can push those changes to trunk and do a new release of xubuntu-artwork [00:54] but we'll need a sponsor [00:54] package names? [00:55] wasn't micahg going to be online and uploading today at 1utc [00:55] that is, in 5 minutes [00:55] what's the greeter package/branch [00:55] it's all in xubuntu-artwork [00:55] i'm considering to sneak in a few icon updates too [00:55] would you mind that? [00:55] it's no new icons, just additional sizes [00:55] i would... unless you describe them in the bug [00:55] :P [00:55] (and probably not even many) [00:56] greeter package name? [00:56] or is that in xubuntu-artwork as well? [00:57] you are confusing me by being too exact. [00:57] yes [00:57] it's all there [00:58] both the greeter and plymouth point to the same wallpaper path [00:58] mhm [00:58] which is shipped in xubuntu-artwork [00:58] and xfdesktop points to another wallpaper-path, which is also in xubuntu-artwork [00:58] hmm, additional icon sizes are bugfixes [00:58] so i guess you should take it to micahg [00:58] if i'm still around when he gets here... [00:59] see bug 1298711 again [00:59] bug 1298711 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] New Xubuntu wallpaper" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1298711 [00:59] and tell me if it's okay for release team approval [00:59] did you just copy-paste what i said in here? :) [00:59] almost! [00:59] well we should actually push the wallpaper first [00:59] okay [01:00] then it'll be ready for ubuntu-release [01:00] are we fine with what we have now? [01:00] well, [01:00] they said they don't mind if it's not in the branch... [01:00] but did you want to look at it again in the library? [01:00] or should we just push? [01:00] i guess pretty much. if you wanna push it tonight then i don't have any further thoughts on the wallpaper [01:01] ok. [01:01] 1920x1200 or bigger? [01:02] look at the spec for our wallpaper contest for the correct resolution ;) [01:02] btw, we could fix this bug along the way: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-look/+bug/1292550 [01:02] Launchpad bug 1292550 in ubuntustudio-look (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Studio wallpapers are only selectable in XFCE" [Undecided,New] [01:02] cause it also affects us (if we even care that much) [01:02] hmm [01:03] we can do it with another push when we fix other issues with the wallpapers [01:03] not sure those issues are in xubuntu-artwork [01:05] ok, so http://temp.knome.fi/.w/xubuntu-trusty.png [01:05] OMG IT'S PUBLIC! [01:05] :) [01:05] ochosi, want to push it? [01:06] will do in a minute [01:06] where's the second version? [01:06] thanks [01:07] oh, oops [01:07] which name? [01:07] wallpaper.png :) [01:07] knome: fancy, I approve very much [01:07] coming! [01:07] bluesabre0, good... [01:07] bluesabre0: it came with much headache ;) [01:07] we've used probably at least 80 hours each on it with simon [01:07] err, [01:07] 8 hours [01:08] wallpaper.png is in the same directory [01:08] (go with 80, your dedication will be admired) [01:08] heh [01:08] well i've probably used more than 8... [01:08] we've both worked at least 3 hours on today alone [01:08] knome: btw, have you tested the wallpaper.png one in context? [01:08] i.e. with the greeter [01:09] no [01:09] i can't see why it would fail [01:09] i mean, yeah, windows can overlap the lines, but... so? :) [01:09] yeah, it most likely wont look totally awful :) [01:09] if it does, let's do a bugfix release! [01:09] :D [01:10] i'm so sick of this [01:10] pleia2, PING! [01:11] pleia2, pick your wallpaper for a screenshot, or wait for the next daily [01:11] pusing... [01:11] pushing... [01:11] haha [01:11] or should i say [01:11] aa [01:12] :) [01:12] no changelog update? [01:12] yeah, when i do the release [01:13] i also need to bump the version number [01:13] oki [01:13] better to do two separate commits [01:13] ok, getting a release team ACK [01:16] changelog pushed [01:16] apart from xubuntu-t-bugs we're looking pretty solid now [01:17] aaaand we have the UIFe [01:17] freaking lightning [01:18] bluesabre0: The weather event or thunderbird extension? :P [01:18] knome's approval speed [01:18] haha [01:19] well i was asking in advance [01:19] and since they were like "yeah whatever, you barely even need to UIFe..." [01:19] bluesabre0, http://temp.knome.fi/.w/trusty-yellow.png [01:19] bluesabre0, for your pleasure [01:19] bluesabre0, variant provided by simon [01:20] :) [01:20] actually i'd do the gradient a bit different now or add a little vignetting [01:20] interesting [01:20] but i still like the palette [01:20] in addition to that, i have like 10 blue variants... [01:20] you can make this one transparent again [01:22] now that we have the official one out of the door, we can do whatever color variations [01:23] I think Unit193 requested a teal/magenta variant [01:23] hah [01:23] do we want to add any other keyboard shortcuts apart from updating the existing one for whiskermenu? (ctrl+esc) [01:24] dunno [01:24] e.g. ctrl+alt+l for locking? [01:24] I need to check which ones we have now [01:24] me too :) [01:24] Wallpaper isn't my favorite, but better than the yellow one. :P [01:25] Unit193, i can do a black one for you. [01:25] black on black? [01:25] do you prefer some color with it, or just shades of grey? [01:26] 50 shades? [01:26] https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/view/head:/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml [01:26] har har [01:26] I don't normally do defaults, but blackish with red "trim" would be the most likely to be used by me. :P [01:26] okay, let's see [01:26] But, yeah. Feel free to ignore me, looks good enough for default. [01:26] well we discussed about doing a blog post on the variants [01:27] how about a svg version and some script to change it dynamically? rainbow version anyone? [01:27] >__< [01:27] ochosi: I think we're good with what we have [01:28] we even have killitwithfire [01:28] you can do that with the svg once it's published. [01:28] I would call it the "nyan mouse edition" [01:28] :D [01:28] only once the xfdesktop leak is fixed :) [01:28] otherwise the rainbow-version will eat your ram for breakfast [01:28] * bluesabre0 wants to do a nyan-xfce-mouse video for the 14.04 release [01:29] ali1234: can/will you update the patch or do you need help? [01:30] bluesabre0: Heh, nice. :P [01:30] knome: any plans for 14.04 promotional videos? [01:30] bluesabre0, like? [01:30] dunno [01:30] hah [01:30] I was thinking about trying to do a release highlights video [01:31] didn't want to duplicate work [01:31] :) [01:32] also, magically the dropbox indicator started working again today [01:32] huzzah! [01:32] nice [01:33] bluesabre0: if i update a changelog but don't know who will update/upload the package, whose name do i put down? [01:34] ochosi, just do "dch" and add your changes. whoever does the uplaod will update it with "dch -i" or something like that [01:34] Unit193 can be more specific here [01:35] I don't often use dch, actually. Until you actually want it uploaded, target UNRELEASED. [01:36] UNRELEASED basically means "Not ready for upload", once you're ready, you change to whatever you want to target (trusty, unstable, etc.) [01:36] Unit193, http://temp.knome.fi/.w/black.png [01:36] Unit193, just a quick draft. [01:36] it has banding, but blah. [01:36] Wohoo, me likeie. [01:37] bluesabre0: ok [01:38] Unit193, can send the svg to you/ochosi, who can improve it further [01:38] Unit193, with some lovely pink tones [01:38] Hah. :P [01:38] Unit193: right, but i want it uploaded, so target UNRELEASED blows, no? well i guess micahg will change this anyway.. [01:39] whenever micahg gets here, feel free to point him to this MR: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xubuntu-default-settings/appmenu_shortcut/+merge/213181 [01:39] my take is: target UNRELEASED until you know somebody will upload it as it is now. [01:39] You broke my shortcut. :( [01:39] Unit193: no, i only proposed to break it [01:39] :P [01:39] i broke your default panel setup too [01:39] so who cares [01:39] haa haa! [01:40] suddenly knome sounds like nelson [01:40] lately a lot [01:41] knome: it's beer time! what do you want? :) [01:41] oh, wallpaper, yay! [01:42] I can wait for the next daily :) I said I'd do the screenshots over the weekend [01:43] pleia2, i just had emeliess saison [01:43] emelisse too [01:43] i guess i should drink the westvleteren 12 on release day... [01:43] I was too lazy to go all the way to the proper beer store, so I ended up with just a couple local IPAs [01:43] awwh [01:44] http://www.brewdog.com/product/to-l-cloud-9-wit [01:44] i have that on stock :) [01:49] night everyone! [01:50] nighty ochosi [02:33] micahg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1298741 [02:33] Launchpad bug 1298741 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "[needs-packaging] Please upload bugfix shimmer-themes-1.7.3" [Undecided,Confirmed] [02:33] I was going to do the wallpaper package tonight too, but I am getting light-headed, need to get some rest [02:34] be back tomorrow [02:34] night all [02:36] nighty bluesabre0 [02:37] ah, the wallpaper package has native packaging, so I didn't need to do that anyway :) [02:42] i'm off to bed as well [02:42] micahg, please see bug 1298711, everything is ready for an upload [02:42] bug 1298711 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] New Xubuntu wallpaper" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1298711 [07:30] ali1234, can i have a link to the new patch for xfdesktop4? [07:53] did the very recent python package upgrades mess up mugshot? [07:54] it won't start anymore [07:55] Working here. [07:55] and here [07:55] ^C doesn't work. >_> [07:56] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mugshot_lib/Window.py", line 84, in on_destroy [07:56] def on_destroy(self, widget, data=None): [07:56] KeyboardInterrupt [07:56] -9 it is. [07:57] brainwash: Use -v or -vv ? [07:57] not needed, it's a seg fault [07:57] strange [07:58] let me check what upgrades I've downloaded and applied [08:02] catfish also crashes :) [08:03] menulibre? [08:03] nope, menulibre runs fine [08:05] bluesabre0 help! [08:06] catfish works fine here - just updated/graded [08:06] got proposed enabled? [08:06] I do [08:06] nope [08:07] maybe something wrong at my end.. but it did work like 3 hours ago [08:16] Proposed is the testing grounds and where things sit until everything is built as part of a transition, not supposed to be enabled. [08:20] testing ground, exactly what I'm looking for [08:23] Erm.. [08:25] perhaps that's why stuff breaks all the time for you then :) [08:25] it breaks for me all the time? nah [08:26] not without a good reason :P [08:26] :) [08:26] I guess it doesn't help that you've got the whole repository installed too :p [08:27] Hah. [08:28] this does not seem to cause any harm, other than mixed default settings for the gnome3 based sessions [08:57] morning everyone [09:13] morning ochosi [09:13] hey elfy [09:19] hi ochosi [09:19] morning brainwash [09:50] hi guys, in Whisker menu there are items, like Web Browser, File Manager and Mail Reader which aren't default translating into proper lang. I can do this by using Menu Editor, by I want it by default in my lang. [09:50] those are the items from exo, i.e. xfce upstream [09:50] they're not related to whiskermenu [09:55] so translating them in transifex? [09:56] yup [09:56] and then wait for xfce to do a release of that with your translations, and for xubuntu to pick up the release and ship it [09:57] that's my fault not to tell you that in time, but XChat doesn't have a new version from long time, we should change it to Smuxi :) [09:57] * ochosi shrugs [09:57] not going to happen for T, best to write a spec for it for T+1 [09:57] feel free to go ahead and do it [09:59] just saying cause ppl seem to think stuff is going to happen if they just come here and state a recommendation/idea [09:59] shit, no one approved changes in translation in transifex for exo for my lang :/ [10:00] olbi: smuxi uses mono, so probably not going to happen [10:00] oh, hah, there you go :) [10:00] I wish it didn't, because it is certainly nicer than xchat [10:01] doesn't elementary have a nice irc app? [10:01] (never used/tested it though) [10:01] probably [10:01] the new gnome one is looking good too [10:01] but its attached to g-o-a, and has a headerbar [10:02] :/ [10:02] well the headerbar itself is not the problem, as soon as we get ali1234's headerbar fixes for xfwm4 [10:02] it's more the gnome-depends that make this a headache [10:02] yup [10:02] I hope the elementary apps start rolling into the main archive [10:02] indeed [10:03] there are quite a few that would be good to considwer [10:03] mhm [10:04] does the new gnome one have more than a connect and disconnect button .... [10:04] huhu [10:04] couldn't help it :p [10:12] hexchat is available [10:12] ochosi: Headerbars are still very crappy, I'd never support one. Hexchat is the best bet. [10:13] (If there were good alternatives, and for IRC there is.) [10:28] ochosi: could You aprrove polish translation for LightLocker? [10:28] in transifex? [10:30] this Cable irc client is a bit basic ... [10:30] right [10:31] olbi: i think i can, lemme quickly check [10:33] ok [10:35] hobgoblin: Was? [10:35] olbi: seems 100% translated on transifex, where would i have to approve? [10:35] was what? [10:37] ochosi: I have information: uncommitted [10:38] olbi: it's possible that it hasn't been merged back to github [10:38] ochosi: oh, that's why [10:38] ochosi: but it's strange cause this translation has about 2 weeks and should be done [10:39] today updates for xub 14.04 doesn't has this [10:41] that is no surprise [10:41] if it was pulled to github, it got released with 1.4.0 [10:41] and that hasn't been uploaded to xubuntu 14.04 yet [10:43] if there are no updates, we can provide an ubuntu translations patch prior to the 14.04 release [10:43] there are 4 new strings [10:43] so hmpf [10:43] i'd just wait for 1.4.0 to land [10:43] the FFe has been granted already, so it's mostly a matter of time [10:44] oh right [10:44] wasn't quite reading everything [10:44] but that does apply to other apps :) [10:45] bluesabre0: any idea why mugshot, catfish and update-manager segfault almost immediately and menulibre does not? [10:45] how is menulibre different? [10:46] maybe I should just revert all recent trusty/proposed upgrades :/ [10:47] none of that segfaults for me [10:48] it does for me since today [10:48] * ochosi decides not to run upgrades today [10:48] but still, why is menulibre not affected.. that's strange [10:49] ochosi: they all work here - updated/upgraded - but I've not got proposed turned on [10:50] ochosi: I need to start pushing upgrade testing - but not sure at the moment if there are things not there yet? knome seemed to intimate that we might not have everything still [10:50] elfy: yes, light-locker 1.4.0 is awaiting upload (FFe already granted) [10:51] ok [10:51] ochosi, i was more concerned regarding upgrades, and for example, the indicators situation [10:51] indicators should be fine [10:51] ochosi, eg. if we clean up as much stuff as we can [10:51] "clean up"? ah you mean remove gtk2 indicators? [10:51] yeah, stuff like that [10:51] no, none of that is taking place. even xscreensaver remains installed [10:51] okay [10:52] is there a bug for that? [10:52] it's a bit annoying, because that means ppl have two settings panels for screensaver -> confusing [10:52] yes [10:52] the gtk2 indicators aren't that much of a concern [10:52] okat [10:52] *okay [10:52] ochosi: but light-locker is used in preference after upgrade regardless of having xscreensaver installed? [10:52] would be good to get rid of them, but as i don't know how anyway... [10:52] elfy: yes [10:53] well we should investigate [10:53] thought so - ty ochosi [10:53] at least if it affects installs.. [10:53] i mean, [10:53] it's not a huge issue if packages are installed but not used [10:53] as long as they don't start running and giving an unwanted experience [10:54] xscreensaver will most likely be running, but not doing anything [10:54] anyway, tbh i don't think i have time to investigate this issue [10:54] someone with more packaging/distro experience should take this up [10:54] yes... but is there a bug or something for that? [10:55] i'll try to work on the settings sync for xfce4-session/xfpm/light-locker-settings with respect to "lock on suspend", that's kinda enough for now [10:55] not that i know iof [10:55] i wouldn#t even be sure what to file it against [10:55] probably xubuntu-meta [10:55] but i dunno [10:57] knome: not sure what's up with the two beta release note pages - the common infrastructure bits are all fubar - I've no idea what's up with them [10:57] but if no package depends on xscreensaver anymore, it should get removed automatically during the upgrade process, or? [10:57] elfy, hmm? [10:58] brainwash: i really have no clue how upgrades work exactly, would be cool if you could test... [10:58] Include: Nothing found for "^##StartTrustyReleaseBugs"! for instance [10:58] hmm right [10:58] paste me the link [10:58] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Beta1/Xubuntu [10:59] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Beta2/Xubuntu [11:01]