[00:00] but i had no clue [00:00] by the way the autologin-user-timeout=XX does work? [00:00] let me know if it works - I have moved onto disabeling the screen saver now [00:00] it worked !!! [00:00] yay :) [00:00] autologin-user-timeout=XX - no clue [00:01] aa i was fighting with the screensave before an hour [00:01] lolz [00:01] like this? dconf read /org/gnome/desktop/session/idle-delay [00:01] i installed the xscreensaver [00:01] apt-get install -y xscreensaver [00:01] I want less screen saver, not more lol [00:02] then you have the screensaver options in menu->preferences->screensaver [00:04] or run xscreensaver-demo it is the same dialog i think [00:05] I am trying to script it so I can set it as part of an automated install [00:05] oh ok [00:06] it would be usefull to locate the config anyway [00:06] the results change as I change it in the gui: dconf read /org/gnome/desktop/session/idle-delay [00:07] like if I set 10 min, that returns "uint32 600", but I can't seem to use "dconf write..." to change what the gui shows [00:07] it's weird. [00:09] indeed, does it work? [00:10] I think I have it... this sets 10 min, and changes the gui: dconf write /org/gnome/desktop/session/idle-delay "uint32 600" [00:10] now lets see if setting it to 1 gives me a 1 second screen saver ... [00:11] success! [00:13] Im gonna steal the cookies [00:14] from HTTP requsets [00:52] hi [00:53] I'm trying to install ubuntu 14.04 but it gives me a grub-install error in the installation [00:54] could someone help me?? [01:27] New unity conflicts with "Gnome Compatibility" Plugin of compiz and it makes troubles for those who upgrade from previous releases [01:48] ah-hah, this is probably the right channel to talk about Trusty. [01:49] The python glib & gtk+ bindings are not working here, which means lots and lots of things are failing [01:49] including launchpad, software-center, etc [01:50] I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1292785 a few weeks back. [01:50] Launchpad bug 1292785 in software-center (Ubuntu) "software-center-dbus crashed with AttributeError in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/_propertyhelper.py: 'module' object has no attribute '_gi'" [Medium,New] [01:51] so two questions I guess: Are these programs supposed to be using python2 or python3? [01:52] second, is there anything else I can be doing to help that bug along? I know lots of python and a little about gtk and not much about the current methods used for the binding between the two. [01:59] Howdy everyone! [02:02] Random question. Anyone up to trying to answer it? [02:02] possibly [02:03] Okie dokie then. When I start up my computer and come to the login screen, it sits there for about 30 seconds until I can input my password. Is that "normal" for this currently un-released release? [02:12] I think it has to do with connecting to my wireless network, but I'm not sure. [02:12] Why it would do that before I logged into my account makes no sense. I would think it should wait to connect until after the desktop has started loading. [02:13] hmm, my 13.10 system certainly lets you log in before the wifi is connected. (my 14.04 only has ethernet) [02:13] darkprincenh: No. It is not "normal" [02:14] I could never run 13.10 for whatever reason. It would load to a black screen every time I installed it. No matter the architecture or whether or not I enabled my nvidia card (which I have since removed due to a bad fan) [02:15] darkprincenh: you should be able to enter your password whether it is connected to network or not. File a bug via "ubuntu-bug lightdm" [02:15] I've noticed that if I use the KDE desktop, there is a significant wait between logging in and when my sound system comes "online". This is usually accompanied by a notification that I have connected to my network. [02:16] You mis-understand, sir. [02:17] darkprincenh: How old is your computer? [02:17] I can log in either way, connected or not. [02:17] It's an Intel Core2Quad with 8gb of DDR3 [02:18] Older by today's standards, but a beast none-the-less. [02:19] Let me reboot back to the other partition. I'm in xubunut LTS right now and it flies. [02:19] I want to check my logs for some things. [02:28] I'm back [02:33] exit [03:42] Hi all, just upgraded this package: kerneloops-daemon (0.12+git20090217-3ubuntu7) and got this: update-rc.d: warning: default stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match kerneloops Default-Stop values (1) [03:43] it's that expected? [03:43] *is [04:36] is 33 Celsius Hot for a Ubuntu Hard drive? [04:40] http://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en/us/archive/disk_failures.pdf <-- see section 3.4 on pages 5 and 6 [06:43] zsync is awesome [07:02] hello guys [07:03] I did a frensh install of Trusty with today's image [07:03] and I got the following error: [07:03] Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed. [07:03] This is a fatal error. [07:12] Anyone here? [07:16] boo [07:20] hahahahahaha :D [07:20] I just came back :D [07:20] I didn't get that - but you can try to recover it. this may/maynot help: http://pkill-9.com/recovering-ubuntudebian-linux-after-a-windows-installhiccup/ [07:20] yeah, when you see a ghost, one says "Boooooooo!" [07:20] hahahahahaha [07:20] ymmv applies [07:21] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7172619/ [07:21] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7172645/ [07:22] it looks like you may not have a valid parition -- you might try running gparted [07:22] to make sure. [07:23] funny thing is that gparted dosn't see al my partition. [07:23] fdisk -- I haven't used that in ages... [07:23] xD [07:23] I am not sure fdisk will has gpt support to be honest -- gparted I know does [07:24] ahh here it is: WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sda'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted. [07:24] that is in the output you pasted [07:25] note that if you intend to use windows 7 -- gpt is incompatible [07:26] http://i57.tinypic.com/28juo1.png [07:27] I never dual-booted. It only has Ubuntu. [07:27] okay let me fire up gparted pdq [07:27] This laptop had originnally Ubuntu 13.10, but I replaced it with Ubuntu gnome Trusty, which upon installation showed me that bootloader problem [07:29] i did not have those issues - but then I installed on msdos too [07:29] gparted/device/create new partition table/ -- will allow you to create gpt and msdos [07:30] I'm wary about using gparted now since it is not showing all my partitions. [07:31] oh, wait. Never mind. [07:32] Ok, I didn't think about switching the drives in gparted. First time having more than 1 drive in my computer xD [07:33] So, could you explain what shall I do next? [07:33] :) [07:34] I tried erasing the all the partitions in sdb and re-install, but that didn't work either. [07:35] does anyone here have xchat? I want to verify a bug [07:35] Sorry, I'm using Empathy. [07:36] pidgin [07:36] why do you need xchat? [07:36] friendly-ghost: right, but did you create the partition table? [07:36] deleting the partitions does NOT create the partition table [07:37] deleting partitions implies that there is a partition table already. [07:38] right, but he is trying to create gpt [07:39] Blue1, its for the hud. An option of setting the view to tree is not working [07:39] but it works for others [07:39] ahh that's more advanced then anything I do. [07:40] ru using unity? [07:40] Blue1, me? [07:40] yes sorry [07:40] long day... [07:40] yah [07:40] lol [07:40] !tab [07:40] You can use your key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line. [07:40] i am using gnome [07:40] bah botbuntu isnt here :P [07:40] what is a botbuntu [07:40] gnome today. gnome tomorrow...well [07:43] rww, skynet [07:44] off topic - but I am sure glad I am not using xp -- night folks [07:44] I'm back. [07:45] hey building unity8 was working last night in qtcreator, but today it is telling me that no executable is specified. What do I need to do to fix that? [07:45] Well, after installing Ubuntu trusty on top of Ubuntu 13.10 that came with this laptop, I encountered that bootloading problem, so I deleted the parition, and reinstalled again, but it did not work either [07:46] friendly-ghost, bios or uefi? [07:50] BIOS [07:52] akiva-mobile: never had windows installed on this laptop, so I had no need for UEFI ;-) [07:54] very strange that you would be getting grub errors; Usually ubuntu handles the boodloader excellently [07:55] I installed and reinstalled multiple times on my previous computers too. This is the first time it has happened. Then again it is a development brunch [07:56] Maybe it has something to do with crypt-luk ? [07:57] Someone gave e this link: www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/wipegpt.html [07:58] This is me: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2213852&p=12971158#post12971158 [07:58] I managed to set up a dual-boot 14.04/windows 8.1 laptop with the ubuntu partition encrypted with luks. everything works except hibernation (suspend to disk) [07:58] it was not easy [07:59] the lack of hibernation is because I accidentally encrypted a partition instead of creating a whole luks encrypted volume. I didn't want to redo the ubuntu install [08:00] I'm gettingn sleepy :( [08:00] :9 :( [08:00] but I still haven't fixed this xD [08:00] probably best to sleep on it. anything you do now is likely to be a mistake [08:00] hahahahahah :D [08:00] the computer isn't going to spoil overnight [08:00] :) [08:02] !bootinfo| friendly-ghost run this script and add to your thread. [08:02] friendly-ghost run this script and add to your thread.: Boot info script is a usefull script for diagnosing boot problems. Run the script following the directions here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1291280 and then look at RESULTS.txt (or !pastebin it for others to look at). [08:03] friendly-ghost, The app I was trying to get you to run, makes this script, paste all the text from it to your thread. [08:03] ok. *downloading* [08:04] oh by the way, the Ubuntu installer is still runing, and.. [08:04] Should I choose "Continue without a bootloader" or "Cancel the installation" ? [08:06] friendly-ghost, The problem you have is a uefi computer that was set up to run just ubuntu. It still has the gpt/efi sda, consequently ubuntu did a efi install, so it is not a bios boot as is. [08:08] at the least, gpt in the partition table in sda [08:08] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7172873/ [08:08] amazing! never saw that script before. [08:11] Thank you Beldar, akiva-mobile, and Blue1 :) [08:11] friendly-ghost, I am not sure on this situation with two HD's, one gpt one msdos. I would close the install, and post that in your thread. Look for a mod to post, there is one that concentrates in this area. [08:12] friendly-ghost, To learn more about Grubs, bootloaders, or poetry; Visit your local public library [08:12] or logon to pbskids.org [08:12] lol [08:13] best darn bootloader in the west [08:18] :) [08:18] Well. I might see you guys later :D maybe in two days since I'm stuck tomorrow :D [08:18] see ya all [08:25] hi people, could someone help me out with 13.10 -> 14.04? [08:25] I am getting "The software is up to date" when I run update-manager -d [08:27] narekb, hmmm? [08:27] narekb, that sounds familiar [08:27] do I need to enable additional sources? [08:27] narekb, hummmm try it again; i'm busy googling it [08:28] narekb, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get autoremove [08:28] you should run that before [08:28] I did that [08:30] narekb, uhmm, do it without the && [08:30] so execute them seperately [08:30] hmmm ,ok [08:30] && piping often causes scripts to break [08:30] like they will only execute the first [08:30] in theory they should execute each one in unison, but for me that works maybe 50% of the time [08:31] ahh I see [08:31] I'll try that now [08:31] akiva-mobile, have you upgraded already? [08:31] narekb, yah [08:31] is it worth it? [08:31] narekb, are you a developer? [08:32] well, I would be interested in doing some coding on Ubuntu [08:32] narekb, yah then sure [08:32] sweet [08:32] and I can help get you started in that [08:32] :D [08:32] because lord knows I wish I had that help :P Its hard to get into it at first [08:32] thank you [08:32] np [08:33] hey all...something strange with my trusty install...not sure what to do [08:33] kernel shows Linux m50vm 3.13.0-17-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Mon Mar 10 21:44:01 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [08:33] updated and dist-upgrade with no effect. my other trusty install shows 1.13.0-20 [08:33] ...for kernel [08:34] sorry 3.13.0-20 [08:35] Good morning. [08:46] oook time for reboot === narekb is now known as narekb|away === narekb|away is now known as narekb [08:50] akiva-mobile, thank you very much, it worked, I am now upgrading [08:51] narekb, great :) [08:51] narekb, lesson here; piping is confusing [08:51] piping doesn't work :D [08:52] hmmm maybe piping isnt the right word ... [08:52] usually refers to | [08:52] anywhoo [09:29] Hi !! Could someone help me with a problem with ubuntu 14.04 [09:29] ???? [09:29] donc3: you have to sepcify the problem first. [09:29] okay [09:30] I'm trying to install ubuntu 14.04 [09:31] I'm trying to install ubuntu 14.04. it's a fatal error [09:31] how could I solve it??? [09:31] donc3: giving clear information would be a start [09:31] can you be more specific? "it'S a fatal error" doesnt mean much. [09:35] this is the exact error: "the execution of <> has failed. This is a fatal error." [09:35] ikonia: [09:39] bekks: I think that it's a bug of the efi boot mode [09:39] Why do you think that? [09:41] because it is a new netbook and I'm doing a new installation of ubuntu with the boot in efi mode [09:41] And why do you think it is related to EFI? [09:42] I have booted ubuntu with a grub bootable usb deactivating the efi mode [09:43] you cannot "deactivate" EFI with an usb bootable whatever. [09:43] !efi | donc3 [09:43] donc3: UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI [09:43] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1299134 [09:43] Launchpad bug 1299134 in grub-installer (Ubuntu) "grub-installer failed during install trusty 64bit" [Undecided,New] [09:44] So if that bug persists without EFI, it cant be an EFI related bug - thats obvious, isnt it? :) [09:47] so... can I do something to boot the OS without the Usb with the grub?? [09:47] I'm more interested why it's trying to put grub onto sdb [09:48] unless I have missed that part of the conversation [09:49] because is the disk ssd in which I'm installing ubuntu [09:52] why did you install grub on the usb before? [09:52] no after the error [09:53] where you install ubuntu doesn't matter, the boot loader should be on the mbr of the boot disk [09:53] unless you plan to chain load it from another disk [09:53] I have to download a rescue grub bootable usb [09:53] why / [09:53] donc3: Why? [09:53] the ubuntu cd is a rescue cd [09:54] but with the ubuntu cd I don't know how to fix it... [10:30] hi all ... I use the Ubuntu 14.04, I have a user with the default groups (adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare) and encrypted home. Everything works well, but I have error in nautilus to mount a FAT32 partition (in another disk [sdb]) and mount of usb pendrive FAT32 formatted. Can anyone helpme to identify the root cause? [10:31] The error is "You do not have the permissions necessary to mount XXX" [10:35] anyone? [10:42] use sudo mount ... [10:51] 'Morning folks [11:24] Morning. [11:24] Does 14.04 include better support for Exynos processors? [11:25] The Exynos 5250, in particular. [11:25] The GPU doesn't currently support anything but fbdev as a framebuffer, which makes it a pain to use. [11:25] :( [11:33] dunno alfonsojon, we deal with regular pcs and laptops, phones are bit more difficult to support [11:33] it's not a phone. [11:33] The Samsung Chromebook Series 3 [11:34] It can run Ubuntu 12.04 fine, but that's because of Unity 2D. [11:34] BluesKaj: ^ [11:34] chromebooks are a rare item in this channel too [11:35] no experience with them , sorry [11:51] alfonsojon, suppose you've already read this, but I'll post it just in case, http://askubuntu.com/questions/356243/true-ubuntu-on-chromebook-arm-samsung [11:58] I've just updated kubuntu and restarted it. then I've got 'baloo_file' in ksysguard uses cpu constantly and hasn't stopped yet, what is it for? [12:02] mamat, baloo replaced nepomuk as file search/indexer, you can kill it in system monitor [12:03] BluesKaj: is it safe? [12:04] yes, if nepomuk was enabled when baloo replaced it then baloo will be enabled. Killing it merely disables i. [12:04] it [12:05] OK thanks [12:06] many things crash after dist-upgrading [12:07] mamat, for example? [12:08] kwalletd, baloo_file_extractor === mamat is now known as miraiE [12:14] hello === miraiE is now known as mamat [13:46] hi! [13:47] Hey vlada [13:48] I'm trying Ubuntu 14.04 right now and have to say that I'm impressed by incremental update and stability of it. Great release. Packagers have done their job quite nice! :) [13:48] They sure have :) [13:48] There is only one thing I've noticed is severely broken in mine particular installation. [13:49] Looks like qt5 based packagers have broken keyboard input. I can write in default (English) language, but not in any other. [13:50] Serbian and Deutsch layout don't work. Is that known issue? Anyone else experienced it? [13:51] qt4, qt3, gtk+ (both version 2 and 3) work great [13:51] lordievader, now that I've said it, hi to you too! ;) [13:52] Qt5 shouldn't be tried at this stage even tho it's available to devs [13:53] This is #ubuntu+1! Qt5 might be alpha, but that didn't stop us with Trusty. I'm going to try kf5 once my update finishes :D [13:53] lordievader, well good luck [13:55] BluesKaj: Thanks. [13:55] vlada: Anyhow, did you install qt5 through Project Neon? [13:56] BluesKaj, To be honest, I'm well aware of alpha/beta stage of qt5, but 5.2 isn't really pre-release-4.99-beta-don't-try-at-home release. ;) Only one app, accidentally I build it myself daily, uses it. It's Scribus 1.5 (text layout application). [13:57] Only other place where I've noticed bad behavior is qt5 provided app ecosystem. I.e. Qt Designer. [13:58] lordievader, no. What's that? :) [13:59] vlada: It's for trying out KDE framework 5, which is based on Qt5. [14:00] lordievader, ah! Nope! I'm using 14.04 provided binaries [14:01] Right, as I figured. [14:21] FYI: 14.04 suddenly froze and shut down during the installation of Inkscape, using the software center [14:24] lordievader, As any good citizen, I've filled a bug report. ;) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1299474 [14:24] Launchpad bug 1299474 in Ubuntu "Broken keyboard input with non-default layout in Qt5 applications" [Undecided,New] [14:24] MonkeyDust, hi [14:24] :D [14:25] MonkeyDust, Whole system halted by installing package or just Ubuntu sw center [14:25] ? [14:54] hi all [14:54] which card is better for 14.04 LTS: intel gma 950 or ATI X1300 pro [14:54] 10x in advise [14:57] eny1 [15:12] bye [15:17] BluesKaj, lordievader: qt5 isn't alpha but at version 5.2, what you're thinking about is kf5 (which isn't the only user of qt5) [15:18] Check [15:19] yofel, ok [15:21] had the ppa but apt-purged it due to many problems with artifacts [15:28] erikson43 [15:28] my alter ego [15:30] on other irc servers, which I haven't used in yrs [15:56] Hi! I just tried to update my 13.10 installation to 14.04 beta by running "update-manager -d". [15:56] However, it failed. :( [15:57] I previously had the "click" package installed from the up to date repo on Launchpad. [15:57] Therefore, the update of that package failed. [15:57] In addition, upstart-app-launch is broken as well. [15:59] It says that click (probably the old one) depends on python3-click (< 0.4.12~saucy1~test1.1) but that 0.4.20 should be installed. [15:59] The error with upstart-app-launch is similar to that one. [16:00] Does anyone have an idea what I could do? (I haven't rebooted yet.) [16:02] Why can't I install programs from the USC? [16:05] Nothing_Much: Because we dont know the error message you get ;) [16:05] bekks: well it's from packages outside of the USC [16:05] but there is no error [16:05] it says.. "processing triggers libc6" [16:06] as it would normally after a finished installation] [16:06] And what else does happen? [16:06] nothing, it just doesn't install [16:07] but it only happens when you open and attempt an install through the USC [16:07] I can easily install through the command line [16:08] but the USC is either bugged or not allowing outside packages [16:08] to be installed [16:25] There seems to be a problem which I've narrowed down to the kernel 3.13.0-20-generic. Using that I lose all hardware acceleration and desktop effects. Going back to 3.13.0-19-generic works. This on Intel graphics. [17:23] ok, I got 14.04 working, but onw I have this problem [17:23] I can't install .debs dowloaded from the web [17:23] *downloaded [17:23] anyone got the same issue? [17:24] narekb 1) use gdebi; 2) careful with unscreened .debs from the web [17:24] can't install like what? error? [17:24] utusan, it says they're corrupted [17:24] but it's... Skype [17:24] why would Skype be corrupt? [17:24] it means your deb file is bad [17:25] but it worked just fine on 13.10 [17:27] narekb skype is in the partner repo, activate that and install skype [17:28] hmmm [17:28] lemme try === gcollura is now known as gcollura|afk [18:42] that was a failed boot into ubuntu-gnome remix [18:42] 14.04 [19:17] hi all [19:17] which card is bether Intel gma 950 or Ati X1300 pro@ [19:17] for 14.04 LTS? [19:17] 10x in advise [19:22] the x1300 is - well, "outdated" would be too friendly. [19:22] That card is about 8 years old. [19:23] yes, i know , but "the old rig" is old [19:23] and I dont want to drop it [19:23] which doesnt affect the fact that the x1300 isnt supported by fglxr anymore. [19:27] Greetings, I'm trying Kubuntu 14.04 and I'm happy with it, I'm running it on an intel 4th generation laptop with HD 4400 graphics, I get some graphical glitches occasionally, is this a known issue ? [19:35] summa sumarum, from which card /NV,ATI,Intel/ above we can think for 14 LTS [19:46] hi [19:46] the system is Linux htpc 3.14.0-031400rc8-generic #201403242335 SMP Tue Mar 25 03:36:22 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux running an xbmc with tvheadend back and frontend, using a tevii s662 [19:47] liplinian driver installed firmware downloaded. [19:47] dmesg is http://paste.ubuntu.com/7175847/ [19:47] i still have only blank (sometimes flashing) screen. sound is ok. (avi, divx, mkv etc.. files are fine only live tv picture is not.) [19:56] bue [19:56] bye [22:00] can anyone see my message from #ubuntu? i'm on my phone and can't copy my last message [22:03] we can see [22:03] feel free to paste it here [22:03] any ideas? [22:06] " hey guys. I've updated to ubuntu gnome 14.04 via update-manager (last time I did that). during the upgrade my screen turned black. after a few hours I turned the computer off. I finished the upgrade with apt-get dist-upgrade. now everything is installed but I get a black screen after booting the system. I tried everything I know and I'm out of ideas. any advice would be much appreciated!" [22:07] thanks daekdroom [22:09] after waiting for several minutes, I now see an "X" as cursor, the rest is black. restarting gdm turns the screen black again [22:10] I already reconfigured x-server and gdm [22:11] what else could I do? [22:25] I have noticed general better speed performance in 14.04 is it true? and what's the reason behind this? [22:39] ice9: It can be pretty hard to answer something like that - there will have been a lot of changes [22:40] penguin42: that's good it's really faster and more responsive and launches applications faster [22:40] I can feel this [22:43] is there a way to disable global menu for all applications? [22:48] how to show menu in the title bar as show here http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/03/7-ubuntu-14-04-lts-improvements-youll-love at number 3 [22:54] ice9: did you find the option, I just testing and it is CCSM/Ubuntu Unity Plugin/Launcher/Minimize Single Window Applications (Unsupported) [22:55] trism: yes it's working thank you [22:55] trism: do you know to display the application menu in the title bar? [22:57] I have a problem with my package manager, any idea? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7176646/ [22:57] after upgrading [22:57] You can also access it through System Settings > Appearance > Behaviour tab > Show the menus for a window (x) in the window's title bar [22:58] ice9: gsettings set com.canonical.Unity integrated-menus true; [22:58] Daekdroom: nice find [22:59] Trusty is brilliant [23:09] can someone help me, I am stuck after upgrading :( [23:17] aboSamoor: that is kind of weird, seems to be failing on adding the user because it is already there, I can't seem to reproduce it though [23:19] some applications are missing the title bar like libreoffice [23:20] aboSamoor: I think you could fix it with: sudo deluser avahi; [23:20] aboSamoor: you may need to stop avahi-daemon if it is already running or that will error: sudo stop avahi-daemon; [23:20] aboSamoor: then try the sudo apt-get -f install; again [23:21] aboSamoor: wonder how you got into that inconsistant state...might be worth a bug report, I notice in avahi-daemon.postinst addgroup has || true but not the adduser line, hence the error [23:23] trism: do you have that problem too? libreoffice has no title bar [23:25] ice9: nope I have a title bar here