[00:00] <ali1234> is it AC3 or DTS or something?
[00:00] <ali1234> ripped from DVD/blu-ray?
[00:01] <Azelphur> MS MPEG-4 Video v3 (DIV3)
[00:01] <ali1234> what about the audio stream though?
[00:02] <Azelphur> AC3
[00:14] <maps|wrk> ah people around
[00:14] <maps|wrk> hello
[00:17] <maps|wrk> maps speaks everyone goes:(
[01:29] <maps|wrk> grmpf
[01:33] <daftykins> :o
[02:13] <skinofstars> hi guys. i'm having some problems with nfs shares. i'm getting "exportfs /home/username/dir  does not support NFS export"
[02:14] <skinofstars> not sure who's still awake at this time and wants to troubleshoot nfs issues :)
[06:44] <mapps> morning
[07:04] <foobarry> mornin
[08:54] <bashrc> morning
[09:35] <popey> Morning
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:57] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:07] <jussi> I like to eat mussels :)
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> weird!
[11:58] <bashrc_> installing pump.io seems really complicated
[11:59] <brobostigon> i have tried several times, and could never get it installed never mind running.
[12:00] <bashrc> statusnet was a lot easier
[12:01] <brobostigon> yes, that i got woprking somewhat easier.
[12:31] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:57]  * penguin42 yawwwnnnns at bigcalm
[13:07] <bashrc> looks like my proxy ports are messed up
[15:10] <mapps> afternoon
[15:18]  * MartijnVdS removes a metric ***ton of scopes
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> bye "firefoxbookmarks", bye "virtualbox"
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> bye "mediascanner" (whatever that may be)
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> unity-scope-gourmet?!
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> Why is this installed?
[18:36] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Presumably it's so that when Popey searches for Flapjack he gets something less offensive
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: I just removed the packages.
[18:43] <popey> mmmmm flapjack
[18:43] <daftykins> i was just considering making some flapjack tonight
[18:43] <daftykins> as i have no post-meal snacks :)
[18:43] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/u12adt43n47o0bh/flapjack.jpg
[18:56] <popey> nom
[18:58] <MooDoo> hello all
[19:04] <daftykins> heya
[19:18] <SuperEngineer> Common sense prevails [at last].  Thank youy. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-important-step-towards-modernising-copyright
[19:22] <skinofstars> hey all, has anyone had problems with nfs on 12.04? i'm getting 'does not suppport NFS export' errors when trying to share a folder in my home
[19:31] <penguin42> skinofstars: Have you got the appropriate packages installed?
[19:32] <skinofstars> penguin42: nfs-kernel-server, portmap, rpcbind... i think that's all i need
[19:32] <penguin42> skinofstars: Yeh that should work
[19:33] <penguin42> skinofstars: when you say you're trying to share a folder in your home - how? Just by doing /etc/exports or some other way?
[19:33] <daftykins> hrmm anyone know off hand if there's a decent virtualbox driver in a package for trusty?
[19:33] <daftykins> +graphics
[19:33] <skinofstars> penguin42: yep. adding it to /etc/exports, then running exportfs -ar
[19:34] <penguin42> daftykins: trusty certainly does have virtualbox-quest packages - whether they're decent I can't say
[19:34] <penguin42> skinofstars: What filesystem is your home?
[19:34] <daftykins> penguin42: just trying to run an OpenGL app, would it be virtualbox-guest-x11 ?
[19:35] <skinofstars> penguin42: ext4
[19:36] <penguin42> skinofstars: Not encrypted or anything?
[19:36] <skinofstars> penguin42: actually, the filesystem isn't even partioned up. i doubt very much it was encrypted. this is a preinstalled ubuntu on a dell laptop
[19:37] <skinofstars> one of those dell xps developer laptops
[19:39] <skinofstars> penguin42: that said, there is a .ecryptfs file in /home, so it might well be
[19:39] <skinofstars> penguin42: damn, that means i'm gonna have to mount it outside the home folder, doesn't it
[19:44] <penguin42> skinofstars: Hmm i'm betting it's ecryptfs - I've never looked at nfs exporting those
[19:44] <penguin42> skinofstars: When you reinstlal your laptop with Trusty,
[19:45] <penguin42> skinofstars: Use full disk luks encryption - it's 1) safer 2) has no problem with nfs
[19:46] <skinofstars> penguin42: wicked, thanks. my own fault here for assuming it wasn't home encrypted. i'll do the mount workaround for now. appreciate you talking through it.
[19:54] <penguin42> no problem
[19:58] <daftykins> heh solved my issue
[19:58] <daftykins> needed to purge nvidia files to get a stock config back, after having installed vbox guest additions
[19:59] <daftykins> (this particular respin of ubuntu is for XBMC and thus comes with drivers out of the box that aren't handy)
[20:13] <popey> Evening slackers
[20:16] <daftykins> hi popey what's new?
[20:27] <popey> i made a few webapps for ubuntu phone this weekend
[20:27] <popey> for fun
[20:33] <zleap> hi
[20:35] <zleap> popey, can we still get officual ubuntu cd's
[20:36] <daftykins> they'd have to be DVDs now
[20:36] <zleap> well yeah
[20:37] <zleap> that is fine
[20:37] <zleap> i think they will press lts only so that is 14.04
[20:38] <popey> we only press LTS
[20:38] <popey> and clearly that's not done yet
[20:38] <zleap> ok
[20:38] <zleap> so can we get some from alan B like before paying postage
[20:39] <zleap> i am planning ahead
[20:40] <bigcalm> Visiting parents is somewhat boring
[20:40] <zleap> lol
[20:42] <popey> i have no idea
[20:42] <bigcalm> Spent 4+ hours configuring a windows 8.1 20" tablet for my mother today
[20:42] <zleap> ouch
[20:42] <bigcalm> 1st experience of windows 8.1, don't want to use it again
[20:42] <popey> wait what
[20:42] <popey> 20"!?
[20:42] <zleap> it took me 1 hour on Wednesday to set up debian (minimal install)  with a MC server
[20:42] <bigcalm> Yep
[20:43] <bigcalm> It's an "all-in-one"
[20:43] <zleap> why 4 hours
[20:43] <bigcalm> Sony Vaio Tap 20
[20:44] <popey> so its a pc?
[20:44] <popey> with a battery?
[20:48] <penguin42> the big touchscreen stuff is nice
[20:48] <penguin42> they've just put a big ~60" touchscreen in Manchester library showing old maps that you can zoom into - nice
[20:48] <zleap> i take it 14.04 supports touch screens
[20:50] <ali1234> not really
[20:50] <popey> define "supports"?
[20:50] <ali1234> not unless you run the unity 8 preview
[20:50] <ali1234> it supports them via the usual mouse emulation :)
[20:51] <ali1234> same as it always did
[20:51] <zleap> ok
[20:52] <bigcalm> popey: yes
[20:52] <ali1234> those 20" tablets are pretty cool
[20:53] <ali1234> just a pity they run win 8
[20:53] <popey> intel?
[20:53] <ali1234> yes
[20:53]  * penguin42 was geekily thinking the type of consoles ST:NG had where they swung across a chair would work
[20:53] <ali1234> they are proper PCs
[20:53] <ali1234> they are like that apple mac where everything is in the monitor
[20:53] <popey> imac?
[20:53] <popey> but with a battery?
[20:53] <ali1234> i dunno what they are called
[20:53] <popey> Asus threatened to release one of them years back
[20:53] <ali1234> yeah, with a battery and touchscreen
[20:53] <popey> i nearly bought one
[20:54] <popey> but they didnt sell the battery one in this country
[20:54] <ali1234> you put it on your desktop and it's just like a normal monitor
[20:54] <popey> and it turned out to have crappy GPU
[20:54] <popey> so I bought an imac
[20:54] <ali1234> well they probably still have a weak GPU
[20:55] <ali1234> but you have to go to a big box PC to avoid that
[20:56] <popey> Seeing lots of Google Play adverts on telly at the moment
[20:56] <dwatkins> The 27" iMac comes with an Nvidia GeForce GTX 780M, which is better than what I have in my desktop PC.
[20:56] <ali1234> okay, big box PC or ridiculously expensive luxury apple product :)
[20:57] <popey> dunno why my imac has but its nvidia
[20:57] <popey> could do with putting a bigger disk in it actually
[20:57] <dwatkins> I gather most Apple products compare well with PCs of the same spec, they just start at high spec, there are no budget options.
[20:57] <popey> but that's a massive PITA
[20:57] <ali1234> dwatkins: they really don't
[20:58] <daftykins> popey: is it even a model where you can? :)
[20:58] <dwatkins> Well, they used to.
[20:58] <penguin42> ali1234: Some do - I just wish PC laptops would more commonly use the HD displays
[20:58] <ali1234> they come out at a similar price if you include the physical size of the product
[20:58] <popey> daftykins: what makes you ssay it cant
[20:59] <daftykins> popey: just depends when you bought it for how sane it is to get into i guess
[20:59] <dwatkins> So you get what you pay for.
[20:59] <ali1234> yes, you get luxury if you pay for it
[20:59] <dwatkins> I like my macbook, it's nice and sturdy.
[21:00] <popey> daftykins: yes, you can, i have seen guides online
[21:00] <popey> but tbh I'd probably take it and get it done because I cba
[21:00] <dwatkins> you need suction cups to remove the iMac screen to get inside
[21:00] <popey> yeah
[21:01] <popey> maybe one of those hybrid drives
[21:01] <dwatkins> that's what I put in my macbook, popey - 750 GB hybrid Seagate
[21:01] <ali1234> GTX 780M is actually worse than my graphics card :)
[21:02] <dwatkins> I have a 660, but I'm more concerned with CPU performance, so chose something that would do fairly well but not be expensive
[21:02] <popey> june 2009 is apparently when i bought the kitchen imac
[21:02] <popey> not bad really, it's used daily
[21:02] <dwatkins> likewise with my 2010 macbook
[21:02] <popey> 320GB disk is getting a bit tight
[21:03] <daftykins> oh is it a 2010 one?
[21:03] <daftykins> my clients one is a mid-2010 and that was easy peasy
[21:03] <daftykins> main issue is how to mount the SSD though given the original cage was obviously for the 3.5" disk
[21:03] <daftykins> i just used double sided sticky pads in the end :D
[21:03] <dwatkins> mine is, daftykins, yeah - it's really easy to get the base off to replace the hard drive, upgrade RAM etc. - stuff has changed a lot in that regard recently, though, as you probably know.
[21:04] <daftykins> indeed
[21:04] <daftykins> that's why i was getting at the age of popey's
[21:04] <popey> mine cant be 2010
[21:04] <popey> i bought it in 2009
[21:04] <daftykins> ah might be even easier then
[21:04] <dwatkins> the serial number will tell you what model it is, you can look it up on everymac
[21:04] <daftykins> i just bought a single suction cup, plenty :)
[21:05] <popey> well, it's a 2009 20" ☻
[21:05] <popey> 2.66
[21:05] <ali1234> dwatkins: the 780M should be pretty similar to the 660 performance wise, and the 780M is about half of a 780
[21:05] <ali1234> 780M has much lower power use of course, being a mobile part
[21:05] <daftykins> popey: you could probably even ditch the optical for a second drive :)
[21:05] <popey> no, i need that
[21:06] <popey> http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iMac+Intel+20-Inch+EMC+2266+Hard+Drive+Replacement/919
[21:08] <popey> doesn't look as bad as I thought
[21:09] <popey> now, which drive...
[21:10] <daftykins> sticking to mechanical for capacity's sake?
[21:10] <daftykins> or a lovely big SSD :)
[21:10] <popey> well, i want capacity and to not have to do this again
[21:10] <popey> so probably 2TB
[21:10] <popey> but then I'll need a big USB disk for backups too
[21:11] <daftykins> WD Red if it stays on all the time \o/
[21:11] <popey> yeah, its on most of the time
[21:11] <dwatkins> I'm waiting for 1TB SSDs to come down in price.
[21:11] <popey> buy shouldn't. i will make it power off
[21:11] <popey> unfortunately if someone else is logged in, it doesnt shutdown
[21:12] <dwatkins> can't you sleep it?
[21:12] <popey> you can but it prompts for the admin pass
[21:12] <popey> whats special about red drives daftykins ?
[21:12] <dwatkins> ah ok, I'm admin so that wouldn't be an issue for me, but I see what you mean.
[21:12] <popey> i have 4 users
[21:12] <daftykins> certified for 24/7 running and 3yr warranty
[21:13] <dwatkins> WD Red according to scan.co.uk: "The drives are designed and extensively tested for compatibility in the unique 24x7 operating environment and demanding system requirements of home and small office NAS."
[21:13] <popey> oh
[21:13] <popey> it doesnt need 24/7
[21:13] <dwatkins> I have three 3TB Seagate Barracudas in my NAS, one of them started giving SMART errors last week.
[21:13] <popey> so, i want something big and fast
[21:13] <popey> hybrid I guess
[21:13] <penguin42> there's a fairly recent survey of drive life time isn't there?
[21:14] <dwatkins> I only know of Google's disk survey from a few years back.
[21:14] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-ST2000DX001-Hybrid-Internal-Solid/dp/B00ELAVI3I
[21:14] <dwatkins> If anyone has good stats on hard drive lifetimes, it'll be Google.
[21:14] <penguin42> no, there was a much more recent one
[21:14] <popey> any reason not to get that?
[21:15] <penguin42> http://blog.backblaze.com/2014/01/21/what-hard-drive-should-i-buy/
[21:16] <popey> so hitachi 2TB
[21:16] <penguin42> popey: I'd say a seagate hybrid wouldn't be a bad buy
[21:16] <daftykins> ^i've used a Lenovo with one, they're nice
[21:17] <daftykins> as long as you're happy with whatever warranty seagate offer, it should be good
[21:17] <popey> warranty is probably least of my worries
[21:17] <penguin42> my normal approach with drive warranties is just to put them on the deadpile and not buy that brand for a while
[21:17] <penguin42> I never return drives unless they'll do it just with the top plate - never return data
[21:18] <popey> i have never returned a drive
[21:18] <popey> well, i returned an entire laptop with a duff drive once
[21:19] <popey> the kitchen imac has been one of my better computer purchases
[21:20] <popey> as has wifeys mbp
[21:21] <penguin42> Popey: Do you use it when making apple pie?
[21:22] <popey> i do not
[21:22] <popey> \o/ ordered drive and suction cups, thanks for the advice chaps
[21:23] <penguin42> you do get some bizarre orders with Macs - I remember the time when the norm was RAM and a putty knife
[21:25] <daftykins> hahaha
[21:26] <dwatkins> iFixit call them 'spudgers'
[21:27] <MartijnVdS> so does "Dave" (the crazy ozzie)
[21:27] <popey> i have previously upgraded the RAM from 2GB it came with to 8GB
[21:27] <penguin42> dwatkins: No, not the little ones for clips, the big putty knifes you needed to get into a Mac Mini
[21:27] <dwatkins> ahh
[21:27] <popey> so this will probably be the last upgrade for the plucky imac that could
[21:27] <dwatkins> popey: I take it that wasn't a case of removing the display
[21:28] <daftykins> RAM goes in at the bottom on those
[21:28] <daftykins> couple o' screws
[21:28] <dwatkins> handy
[21:28] <daftykins> 4 x SODIMMs iirc
[21:29] <popey> 2x
[21:30] <daftykins> ah perhaps that one was more restricted
[21:30] <daftykins> i was able to take RAM from one of my clients machines and put it in the iMac to double up, then buy one set for the MBP