[02:42] <jrwren> greg-g: what is this new policy?
[02:50] <greg-g> jrwren: I assume you're referrign to my tweet: it's MS's promise they will stop looking at your emails without a warrant
[05:24] <mrgoodcat> ms is gross
[11:31] <tony-smlr> SMLR E122 LIVE Video: http://youtu.be/Pd2lYHKM9WQ - Audio http://live.smlr.us:8000/streaming (3/29/2014 7:30A EDT)
[13:21] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:18] <jrwren> greg-g: yes, oh damn. i'm glad I don't use MS for email.
[15:11] <cmaloney> How's the day so far?
[15:11] <cmaloney> jrwren: I don't think you have anything to worry about unless you're leaking MS secrets
[15:11] <cmaloney> then you just have the govt. to worry about. :)
[15:11] <cmaloney> and law enforcement
[15:11] <cmaloney> and some guy named Earl from accounts.
[15:12] <cmaloney> but other than that...
[15:45] <rick_h_> party
[16:18] <greg-g> jrwren: and if you think it's any different at Google.... :P
[16:20] <jrwren> greg-g: i run my own email server for a reason.
[16:20] <jrwren> greg-g: i avoid google and apple and now msft products.
[16:20] <jrwren> e.g. gmail is used ONLY for public email lists.
[16:20] <jrwren> hrm.. i guess i don't avoid apple. i use an iphone
[16:21] <cmaloney> I use Google products a lot
[16:21] <cmaloney> Android Phone, Chrome Browser, Google+
[16:21] <mrgoodcat> i use many google products
[16:22] <cmaloney> But that's mostly because I find them to be the most level-headed of the corps out there
[16:22] <cmaloney> and the one that stands to lose the most capital should they piss off the geeks out there.
[16:22] <mrgoodcat> g+, music, movies, android, gmail, search
[16:22] <mrgoodcat> chrome
[16:22] <cmaloney> books
[16:22] <mrgoodcat> oh yes that one too
[16:22] <cmaloney> They've supplanted my Nook
[16:23] <mrgoodcat> problem is i cant google book on my kindle, so i still use amazon for that too
[16:23] <cmaloney> I never bought into Amazon
[16:23] <cmaloney> I still prefer ePubs as they're portable between devices (for the most part)
[16:23] <mrgoodcat> i use amazon books
[16:23] <mrgoodcat> and i have amazon prime
[16:24] <cmaloney> That and they didn't have PDF support when I was in the eBook market
[16:24] <cmaloney> which is a huge detraction
[16:25] <mrgoodcat> i make some concessions to use google and amazon both. privacy with google, walled garden with amazon
[16:26] <cmaloney> It's quite difficult to lead a RMS-like lifestyle
[16:26] <mrgoodcat> but the convenience afforded makes it worth it
[16:26] <cmaloney> I find it slightly humorous that the Italian Word for "to seek" is "RICERCAR"
[16:27] <jrwren> RMS doesn't have a cell phone.
[16:27] <cmaloney> because that's not what I see when I see that word. :)
[16:27] <mrgoodcat> yea, in order to go full RMS you have to give up a lot of modern conveniences
[16:27] <cmaloney> Well, and most ebooks
[16:28] <jrwren> there are not ebook readers for GNU linux anyway.
[16:28] <mrgoodcat> self hosted email could never be as convenient as google. as much as i like the idea of self hosting
[16:28] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: indeed. its MORE convenient :p
[16:28] <mrgoodcat> i don't mean just the email
[16:29] <mrgoodcat> the android and now integration is what gives it value
[16:29] <mrgoodcat> and there aren't any open source webmail solutions as good as gmail
[16:29] <jrwren> now is the ultimate in scary tracking
[16:29] <mrgoodcat> roundcube is ok
[16:29] <jrwren> yes, amazing how open source completely dropped the ball on webmail solutions eh?
[16:30] <mrgoodcat> thunderbird is ok
[16:30] <jrwren> i like thunderbird a lot.
[16:30] <mrgoodcat> i host my own email at dyladan.me but i tend to use my gmail more
[16:31] <mrgoodcat> my dog is barking at the dogs in game of thrones :)
[16:31] <mrgoodcat> the surround sound is freaking her out
[16:37] <greg-g> jrwren:  :)
[16:38] <greg-g> jrwren: my only google hosted email is forced on me for work email, though I'm going to transition to our lightly used self-hosted imap server at WMF
[16:38] <greg-g> (only a few opsen on it now, sounds like there might be a migration of most opsen soon, and I'll join that boat)
[16:40] <jrwren> for privacy reasons, I'd rather suffer with our hosted exchange at work than move to google apps
[17:14] <cmaloney> I'm not so sure that's a trade-off I could manage. :)
[18:00] <Havenstance> well today's been a better day then yesterday by far :)
[20:24]  * Havenstance kicks acl requirements for samba
[21:51] <Havenstance> and the uss enterprise crashed....
[21:51] <Havenstance> server just died a smoky death
[22:44] <mrgoodcat> Havenstance: no way. The zentyal server?
[22:45] <Havenstance> yeah it was my home version though
[22:45] <Havenstance> I have another box i'll pull out of the closet tomorrow and hook up in its place
[22:45] <Havenstance> the box i had it on here had been slowing down even with winblows
[22:46] <Havenstance> wasn't sure what was going on, then it let out a squeal a small pop and lots & lots of smoke....
[22:54] <Havenstance> I'll bbiaf, gotta go pick up the baby
[23:12] <cmaloney> Should go out to the garage more often
[23:13] <cmaloney> Found a copy of Neal Stepehnson's Anathem and the Apple Bluetooth Keyboard.