[02:42] greg-g: what is this new policy? [02:50] jrwren: I assume you're referrign to my tweet: it's MS's promise they will stop looking at your emails without a warrant [05:24] ms is gross [11:31] SMLR E122 LIVE Video: http://youtu.be/Pd2lYHKM9WQ - Audio http://live.smlr.us:8000/streaming (3/29/2014 7:30A EDT) [13:21] Good morning [14:18] greg-g: yes, oh damn. i'm glad I don't use MS for email. [15:11] How's the day so far? [15:11] jrwren: I don't think you have anything to worry about unless you're leaking MS secrets [15:11] then you just have the govt. to worry about. :) [15:11] and law enforcement [15:11] and some guy named Earl from accounts. [15:12] but other than that... [15:45] party [16:18] jrwren: and if you think it's any different at Google.... :P [16:20] greg-g: i run my own email server for a reason. [16:20] greg-g: i avoid google and apple and now msft products. [16:20] e.g. gmail is used ONLY for public email lists. [16:20] hrm.. i guess i don't avoid apple. i use an iphone [16:21] I use Google products a lot [16:21] Android Phone, Chrome Browser, Google+ [16:21] i use many google products [16:22] But that's mostly because I find them to be the most level-headed of the corps out there [16:22] and the one that stands to lose the most capital should they piss off the geeks out there. [16:22] g+, music, movies, android, gmail, search [16:22] chrome [16:22] books [16:22] oh yes that one too [16:22] They've supplanted my Nook [16:23] problem is i cant google book on my kindle, so i still use amazon for that too [16:23] I never bought into Amazon [16:23] I still prefer ePubs as they're portable between devices (for the most part) [16:23] i use amazon books [16:23] and i have amazon prime [16:24] That and they didn't have PDF support when I was in the eBook market [16:24] which is a huge detraction [16:25] i make some concessions to use google and amazon both. privacy with google, walled garden with amazon [16:26] It's quite difficult to lead a RMS-like lifestyle [16:26] but the convenience afforded makes it worth it [16:26] I find it slightly humorous that the Italian Word for "to seek" is "RICERCAR" [16:27] RMS doesn't have a cell phone. [16:27] because that's not what I see when I see that word. :) [16:27] yea, in order to go full RMS you have to give up a lot of modern conveniences [16:27] Well, and most ebooks [16:28] there are not ebook readers for GNU linux anyway. [16:28] self hosted email could never be as convenient as google. as much as i like the idea of self hosting [16:28] mrgoodcat: indeed. its MORE convenient :p [16:28] i don't mean just the email [16:29] the android and now integration is what gives it value [16:29] and there aren't any open source webmail solutions as good as gmail [16:29] now is the ultimate in scary tracking [16:29] roundcube is ok [16:29] yes, amazing how open source completely dropped the ball on webmail solutions eh? [16:30] thunderbird is ok [16:30] i like thunderbird a lot. [16:30] i host my own email at dyladan.me but i tend to use my gmail more [16:31] my dog is barking at the dogs in game of thrones :) [16:31] the surround sound is freaking her out [16:37] jrwren: :) [16:38] jrwren: my only google hosted email is forced on me for work email, though I'm going to transition to our lightly used self-hosted imap server at WMF [16:38] (only a few opsen on it now, sounds like there might be a migration of most opsen soon, and I'll join that boat) [16:40] for privacy reasons, I'd rather suffer with our hosted exchange at work than move to google apps [17:14] I'm not so sure that's a trade-off I could manage. :) [18:00] well today's been a better day then yesterday by far :) === Havenstance is now known as Haven|Home [20:24] * Havenstance kicks acl requirements for samba [21:51] and the uss enterprise crashed.... [21:51] server just died a smoky death [22:44] Havenstance: no way. The zentyal server? [22:45] yeah it was my home version though [22:45] I have another box i'll pull out of the closet tomorrow and hook up in its place [22:45] the box i had it on here had been slowing down even with winblows [22:46] wasn't sure what was going on, then it let out a squeal a small pop and lots & lots of smoke.... [22:54] I'll bbiaf, gotta go pick up the baby [23:12] Should go out to the garage more often [23:13] Found a copy of Neal Stepehnson's Anathem and the Apple Bluetooth Keyboard.