[02:42] <delt> hello
[02:42] <delt> holstein: updating my BIOS fixed pretty much all problems i was experiencing :D
[02:43] <delt> anyway, back on topic, installing 14.04 on the desktop machine as we speak....
[02:47] <holstein> it can help.. cheers!
[02:49] <delt> i still have that old power supply... it's a 350w and the board's specifications say that's the minimum for an "average" system
[02:51] <holstein> well, it doesnt matter what says what.. if its enough watts
[02:51] <holstein> if you are pulling more than that, you'll want more
[03:22] <delt> 14.04 beta2 is out... should i install that on top of beta1?
[03:23] <holstein> why?
[03:23] <holstein> "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and you have the current stuff
[03:24] <delt> oh, and even though everything is working smoothly, dmesg shows me this weird message [  430.timingwhatever] usb_submit_urb: -16
[03:25] <holstein> ok
[03:25] <delt> kernel is complaining about something....
[03:25] <holstein> i always look on the equipment for official support stickers for linux.. then, if i dont find any, i keep an open mind and expect at least "messages".. if not errors and problems
[03:26] <delt> i called the computer store, and they told me driver support for the usb ports on this board is most probably the issue
[03:27] <holstein> sure
[03:27] <delt> dist-upgrade says 384mb of extra stuff will be downloaded :3
[03:28] <delt> downloading now...
[03:28] <holstein> it'll be constantly upgrading
[03:28] <holstein> right now, expecially. crunch time
[03:28] <holstein> and, it could break
[03:28] <delt> heh yeah , i expected that
[03:29] <holstein> what would i do? get it running.. and wait til after release.. and upgrade
[03:29] <holstein> but, you'll likely be fine right now
[04:13] <delt> argh.. spoke too soon, still missing notes :(
[04:30] <delt> what's the package for nfs client support again? can't find it
[04:32] <delt> ah, works with mount -t nfs ...nm
[04:53] <delt> I submitted a bug report on launchpad.
[04:54] <delt> Can anyone tell me if this is something that's likely to be fixed in the near-to-mid future? ---> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/1299328
[04:54] <delt> (assuming it's not a hardware fault on my side)
[06:27] <rb6> hello
[06:27] <fibz_> hi
[06:27] <rb6> fibz_: do you use ubuntu studio?
[06:27] <fibz_> yes
[06:27] <rb6> cool, its good?
[06:28] <fibz_> it's my favorite linux flavor
[06:29] <rb6> really, so what do you use the distro for in the main?
[06:29] <fibz_> web development and video editing
[06:29] <rb6> cool
[06:29] <rb6> i'm looking into it for music recording
[06:30] <rb6> for me and a friend of mine. he's the musician and I'm the linux "expert"
[06:31] <fibz_> good luck
[06:31] <rb6> haha exactly
[06:32] <rb6> what hardware are you running fibz_ ?
[06:32] <fibz_> stuff
[06:33] <fibz_> i made this just playing around: http://xroads.x10.bz/xroads-network/index.php?do=/jdomitilli/music/view/ducker-creek/
[06:45] <rb6> cool
[06:45] <rb6> do you have a sound card or are you using on board audio?
[06:50] <fibz_> onboard+Turtle Beach+SoundBlaster X-Fi
[06:51] <fibz_> Roland keyboard
[06:58] <rb6> wow
[06:58] <rb6> and what is your mainboard/cpu setup?
[06:59] <fibz_> no i just manage a lot of equipment
[06:59] <rb6> what do you mean 'manage a lot of equipment'
[07:00] <rb6> i mean to ask what do you have for processor, intel or amd?
[07:01] <fibz_> i have 9 PCs in this room alone
[07:03] <rb6> wow
[07:03] <fibz_> intel and amd
[07:03] <rb6> interesting
[07:09] <rb6> i'm just wondering because i'm going to go price out then build a system specifically for ubuntu studio, so i'm wondering what hardware people are using with Studio
[07:09] <rb6> but since it's Ubuntu based, most popular hardware should be supported.
[07:11] <rb6> anyways, gotta go, seeya
[08:13] <TerranceWarrior> fibz_: do you use keyboard with asio?
[08:13] <TerranceWarrior> (for midi)
[09:50] <fibz_> alsa
[10:26] <TerranceWarrior> fibz_: what can one do if one want to play windows vsts via midi keyboard?
[10:29] <fibz_> use wine
[10:30] <TerranceWarrior> works?
[10:30] <TerranceWarrior> no hiccups?
[10:31] <TerranceWarrior> even in windows with asio i got hiccups.
[10:32] <fibz_> ASIO sucks. qjackctrl can pipe to alsa, roland software works in wine
[10:32] <TerranceWarrior> wow
[10:32] <TerranceWarrior> ok
[10:32] <TerranceWarrior> i will try
[10:33] <TerranceWarrior> so all i need is jack, wine, reaper and the vst?
[10:33] <fibz_> and wineasio
[10:33] <fibz_> and wine tricks
[10:34] <fibz_> all i did was sudo apt-get install playonlinux
[10:34] <TerranceWarrior> i have wine v 1.4.1
[10:35] <fibz_> and wineasio
[10:38] <TerranceWarrior> fibz_: i see playonlinux but no wineasio
[10:38] <fibz_> well try and see
[10:39] <TerranceWarrior> ok
[10:40] <TerranceWarrior> gonna look at it tomorrow
[10:41] <TerranceWarrior> fibz_: have you heard anything not working (like korg software perhaps)?
[10:42] <fibz_> the software usually works, the fight is with ASIO
[10:42] <TerranceWarrior> oh ok.
[10:42] <TerranceWarrior> should i install asio in wine?
[10:43] <fibz_> its worth a shot. so is this: http://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=10249#p32743
[10:47] <TerranceWarrior> fibz_: quantel is the version?
[10:48] <TerranceWarrior> i'm getting a cert problem specifying VERSION as saucy
[10:50] <fibz_> im on precise, quantal and trusty myself
[10:50] <TerranceWarrior> how the heck do i get reaper?
[10:50] <fibz_> reaper?
[10:50] <TerranceWarrior> which is the better VERSION i should use?
[10:51] <TerranceWarrior> it's a midi program for windows.
[10:53] <fibz_> http://sourceforge.net/projects/kxstudio/files/DEBs/repo/
[10:55] <TerranceWarrior> why am i getting samba installed?
[10:56] <fibz_> 4 windows shares through wine
[10:56] <TerranceWarrior> ah ok
[10:56] <fibz_> would be my guess
[10:56] <TerranceWarrior> i get paranoid when i see network stuff getting installed.
[10:58] <TerranceWarrior> can i just download and installed that *.iso on the kxstudio download?
[15:33] <kikimeter> Hi, can someone help me to get some sound in ubuntu ?
[15:33] <kikimeter> In my sound settings panels I got a Dummy Output
[15:34] <kikimeter> I've reinstalled pulse audio and asla-base
[15:34] <kikimeter> and I force-reload alsa
[15:35] <kikimeter> And i got some thing like:
[15:35] <kikimeter> Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: (none loaded).
[15:35] <kikimeter> Loading ALSA sound driver modules: (none to reload).
[15:35] <kikimeter> I'm on a ubuntu minimal with unity install on it, and my mother board is 98z77
[15:35] <kikimeter> p8z77*
[15:50] <holstein> kikimeter: i would try the main #ubuntu channel since you are not using ubuntustudio, but let me suggest some troubleshooting tips
[15:51] <kikimeter> lol
[15:51] <holstein> kikimeter: ?
[15:51] <kikimeter> ubuntu main channel send me here
[15:51] <holstein> kikimeter: im not trying to be funny.. just a volunteer..
[15:51] <kikimeter> no offense
[15:51] <holstein> no worries.. welcome to the channel
[15:51] <kikimeter> It's just that it make me laugh
[15:51] <kikimeter> :)
[15:51] <holstein> first, try *all* muting possibilities.. anything on the keyboard that may be muting
[15:51] <holstein> then, you can look at...
[15:51] <holstein> !audio
[15:51] <kikimeter> I thin k i found a solution
[15:52] <kikimeter> I need to install realtek driver for alc892
[15:52] <holstein> but, more specifically.. a few commands in the terminal. you want to see the device in the terminal when you run..
[15:52] <kikimeter> I try to found where I can found the driver
[15:52] <holstein> lspci
[15:52] <holstein> then, you want to run "aplay -l" and "arecord -l"
[15:52] <kikimeter> I have no sound card deteded
[15:52] <holstein> kikimeter: the kernel is modular. the drivers are in the kernel
[15:53] <holstein> kikimeter: ok.. so that is telling, and gives us a place to start
[15:53] <kikimeter> aplay -l
[15:53] <kikimeter> no sound card
[15:53] <holstein> you can stop messing with installing and reinstalling anything
[15:53] <kikimeter> I have dummy output in my setting sound pannel
[15:53] <holstein> pulse is not the problem
[15:53] <kikimeter> So i'm pretty sure I have to install realtek driver
[15:53] <holstein> kikimeter: dmmy is just that.. "dummy
[15:53] <holstein> it wont make sound
[15:53] <kikimeter> yes sure
[15:54] <holstein> the problem is, the system is not seeing your device
[15:54] <kikimeter> yes
[15:54] <holstein> meaning, your device is not supporting linux, or is broken, or is disabled..
[15:55] <kikimeter> I have already make my sound work last week
[15:55] <holstein> kikimeter: ok.. share *any* relevant information
[15:55] <holstein> kikimeter: what did you do to break it this week?
[15:55] <kikimeter> nothing special
[15:56] <holstein> kikimeter: ok.. then share *all* relevant information
[15:56] <holstein> kikimeter: otherwise, reinstall the OS, and dont break the audio
[15:56] <kikimeter> how can I help ubuntu to detec my sound card ?
[15:56] <kikimeter> lol
[15:56] <holstein> kikimeter: you can start by ansering me
[15:56] <holstein> answering*
[15:57] <kikimeter> yes sure
[15:57] <holstein> kikimeter: if it did work, and now it doesnt.. what did you do that broke it?
[15:57] <kikimeter> I dont know
[15:57] <kikimeter> nothing special
[15:57] <kikimeter> What can I say
[15:57] <holstein> kikimeter: im assuming (and you should test) that if you put the live CD in that you isntalled the OS from, the audio will work
[15:57] <kikimeter> yes
[15:57] <kikimeter> but i have installed ubuntu from minimal distribution
[15:57] <holstein> kikimeter: you can say what you did.. did you upgrade? add a PPA? change something? run a differnt user?
[15:57] <kikimeter> I install from realtek the driver
[15:58] <holstein> kikimeter: ubuntu is ubuntu.. if you installed from ..
[15:58] <kikimeter> and it works
[15:58] <holstein> !Mini
[15:58] <holstein> and added ubuntu-desktop, thats *is* ubuntu
[15:58] <holstein> if you didnt.. then, you need to get support from the distro you did insatll
[15:58] <holstein> kikimeter: the realtek driver doesnt need to be installed in ubuntu
[15:58] <kikimeter> thank you holstein
[15:58] <kikimeter> but I have install the driver
[15:58] <kikimeter> installed*
[15:59] <holstein> kikimeter: ok.. and thast what broke it? or fixed it last week?
[15:59] <kikimeter> maybe
[15:59] <holstein> kikimeter: ?
[15:59] <kikimeter> If I know what broke my sound
[15:59] <holstein> kikimeter: i need facts to help.. otherwise, download the iso from main ubuntu, and reinstall
[15:59] <kikimeter> I will not be here anoying you
[15:59] <holstein> kikimeter: im not annoyed.. i just need information to help you
[15:59] <kikimeter> can be more pragmatic
[16:00] <holstein> kikimeter: what did you install?
[16:00] <holstein> ubuntu mini 13.10 32bit?
[16:00] <holstein> then what?
[16:00] <kikimeter> see why my sound card is not detected
[16:00] <kikimeter> 64bit
[16:00] <holstein> ok.. so, ubuntu 13.10 mini iso 64 bit.. then what?
[16:00] <kikimeter> then unity
[16:00] <holstein> kikimeter: why?
[16:00] <kikimeter> and I download driver from realtek
[16:00] <holstein> kikimeter: why not "ubuntu-desktop" ?
[16:00] <kikimeter> mini.iso dont have unity
[16:00] <holstein> kikimeter: you dont need that driver from them
[16:00] <holstein> kikimeter: remove it, or get support from them
[16:01] <kikimeter> yes I know but this is what i've done
[16:01] <holstein> kikimeter: what you should have done is install "ubuntu-desktop"
[16:01] <holstein> kikimeter: so, try adding that.. that will pull in everything
[16:01] <holstein> otherwise, for you, i suggest trying the 13.10 (or at this point, 14.04) main ubuntu live CD.. test the audio. then, just install it
[16:01] <holstein> audio will just work "out of the box"
[16:02] <kikimeter> thank you hosltein
[16:02] <kikimeter> but it's not a solution: reinstall the os
[16:02] <holstein> kikimeter: for you, it is
[16:02] <kikimeter> i've made a mistake
[16:02] <holstein> kikimeter: since you dont know what you did, and you are using pacakges that arent from ubuntu
[16:03] <holstein> kikimeter: its the "best/easiest" for your situation
[16:03] <kikimeter> the solution is not reinstalling the os every time you make a mistake
[16:03] <holstein> kikimeter: otherwise.. when did audio start working?
[16:03] <holstein> kikimeter: you *didnt* install ubuntu, though
[16:03] <holstein> you did it incorrectly from minimal.. and now you have sistuiations that you cant explain to a volunteer
[16:04] <holstein> if you get normal ubuntu, and install it, it should "just work".. and you wont need to fix the audio
[16:04] <holstein> otherwise, i need details
[16:04] <kikimeter> that true, but when you have a OS, can you install a new sound card ?
[16:04] <holstein> when did you install what.. when did audio work.. when did it break.. etc
[16:04] <kikimeter> without reinstalling all the os
[16:04] <holstein> kikimeter: you dont need to
[16:04] <holstein> kikimeter: the kernel is modular
[16:04] <holstein> kikimeter: the drivers are just in it. when you add a device, they "just work".. typically
[16:05] <kikimeter> ok holstein, thank you for your advices
[16:05] <holstein> kikimeter: i do whatever it takes to "add a card".. which is usually just plugging it in
[16:05] <holstein> kikimeter: but, if a device doesnt work, i test with a live CD.. or a supported OS to make sure its functioning properly, and turned on in the bios
[16:06] <holstein> then, i'll go from there with support from the kernel and alsa
[16:06] <kikimeter> it works with a live cd
[16:06] <holstein> kikimeter: ok
[16:06] <kikimeter> for no reason
[16:06] <holstein> kikimeter: then, whatever you have done, you have broken the sound in your installation, which may or may not be ubuntu by noe
[16:06] <kikimeter> or no reason I understand
[16:06] <kikimeter> my sound card is not detected
[16:06] <kikimeter> that it
[16:06] <holstein> kikimeter: the reason is, you didnt install correctly
[16:06] <kikimeter> no
[16:06] <kikimeter> I've installed and it works
[16:07] <holstein> kikimeter: what would i do? remove whatever you installed, and install "ubuntu-desktop" and test
[16:07] <kikimeter> after I did something
[16:07] <kikimeter> and after it doesn't work that it
[16:07] <kikimeter> :(
[16:07] <holstein> kikimeter: what did you do to get it to work from the live CD?
[16:07] <holstein> nothing..
[16:07] <holstein> kikimeter: installing "ubuntu-desktop" pulls in more.. more than just unity
[16:08] <holstein> unity may not pull in everything.. and the pacakge from realtek may have broken something as well
[16:08] <holstein> kikimeter: so, have you installed "ubuntu-desktop" ?
[16:09] <kikimeter> sudo apt-get update
[16:09] <kikimeter> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[16:09] <kikimeter> after my installation
[16:09] <kikimeter> the two command I've done
[16:09] <kikimeter> so yes
[16:09] <holstein> kikimeter: and?
[16:09] <kikimeter> I installed some softwares
[16:10] <holstein> kikimeter: you stated above "unity". not "ubuntu-desktop"
[16:10] <kikimeter> like firefox, vlc etc
[16:10] <holstein> which did you do? and when? and when did the audio work?
[16:10] <holstein> and when did it break?
[16:10] <kikimeter> I start a sound gui (maybe alsamixergui) or soomething like that
[16:10] <holstein> kikimeter: maybe?
[16:11] <cfhowlett> !beer|holstein, cuz you've earned it!
[16:11] <holstein> when did you start what *exactly*?
[16:11] <kikimeter> I dont remember
[16:11] <holstein> cfhowlett: ;)
[16:11] <kikimeter> it's two week ago
[16:11] <holstein> kikimeter: you need to.. or its irrelevant
[16:11] <holstein> kikimeter: ok.. when did the audio work?
[16:11] <kikimeter> let check my history
[16:12] <kikimeter> yes Rt linux driver audio break my audio
[16:13] <holstein> kikimeter: ok. you shouldnt need it, and we dont supply or support it
[16:13] <kikimeter> no problem
[16:13] <holstein> so, you will either remove/purge it, and have your audio back, (theoretically) or go to them for support
[16:13] <kikimeter> here the pastebin
[16:13] <kikimeter> http://pastebin.com/Lbx6FURN
[16:13] <holstein> kikimeter: so, audio was working? then you installed an audio driver? and it broke the audio?
[16:14] <kikimeter> cd alsa-driver-1.0.25/
[16:14] <kikimeter> doesnt work so i've try
[16:14] <holstein> kikimeter: thats plausible.. that package could be old.. and its really not neccessary for your installation..
[16:14] <kikimeter> cd Rt-Linux-HDaudio-5.18/
[16:14] <kikimeter> and cd alsa-driver-RTv5.18/
[16:14] <kikimeter> the last one works If my remembers are good
[16:14] <holstein> kikimeter: what you should do is, use the packages from the repos, that, as you report, work from the live CD, and from the fresh install before you installed the RT driver
[16:14] <kikimeter> come one holstein
[16:15] <holstein> kikimeter: ?
[16:15] <kikimeter> why people are noob ?
[16:15] <kikimeter> because I dont know
[16:15] <kikimeter> I'm learning
[16:15] <holstein> kikimeter: sure.. so, now you know
[16:15] <kikimeter> so stop saying why I have done this
[16:15] <kikimeter> why
[16:15] <kikimeter> I dont know
[16:15] <kikimeter> I work on mac
[16:15] <kikimeter> I leave windows for my desktop for ubuntu
[16:15] <holstein> ok.. thats great.. its actually quite similar
[16:16] <kikimeter> when something doesnt work (it was this for my sound)
[16:16] <holstein> you dont go and download drivers and install them into macOSX often
[16:16] <kikimeter> i go on google
[16:16] <kikimeter> and I try some solution
[16:16] <holstein> its the norm that the drivers in the kernel just work. as they did for you
[16:16] <holstein> kikimeter: sure, but audio was working. and is working from the live CD
[16:16] <kikimeter> yes
[16:16] <kikimeter> but I have 6 outputs on my motherboard
[16:17] <holstein> kikimeter: that may never work
[16:17] <kikimeter> and I think I miss the good output
[16:17] <kikimeter> or my sound was just mute
[16:17] <holstein> kikimeter: no
[16:17] <kikimeter> I dont know
[16:17] <holstein> kikimeter: i do
[16:17] <holstein> kikimeter: that 6 output device may not fully support linux
[16:17] <holstein> but, you should consider using it "as-is" when its working as it is in the default os
[16:18] <kikimeter> yes
[16:18] <holstein> dont install RT drivers to try and address that
[16:18] <kikimeter> If my sound was working
[16:18] <holstein> kikimeter: it was, you said it was.. and it is from a live CD
[16:18] <kikimeter> i didn't install new drivers
[16:18] <kikimeter> livecd yes
[16:18] <holstein> kikimeter: ok
[16:18] <holstein> kikimeter: you said you installed drivers from the RT site
[16:18] <kikimeter> but after minimal install no
[16:19] <holstein> kikimeter: right.. *dont* do the minimal
[16:19] <holstein> kikimeter: you need the full live installer
[16:19] <kikimeter> look the pastebin, all the command I've done are in here
[16:19] <holstein> kikimeter: the minimal is not for folks who are new to linux
[16:19] <kikimeter> yes but the best way to learn it to install from minimal
[16:19] <holstein> kikimeter: no
[16:19] <kikimeter> and try and learn
[16:19] <holstein> kikimeter: no its not
[16:19] <kikimeter> for me I would say yes
[16:19] <kikimeter> but ok
[16:20] <kikimeter> holstein I waste your time
[16:20] <kikimeter> thank you for the help
[16:20] <holstein> kikimeter: thats the best way to do what it does. .. insatll minimal, thatas it.. its for quick install.. like a net install
[16:20] <holstein> the mini is not a learning tool
[16:20] <kikimeter> I will try some vodoo incantations and some old RT driver :)
[16:20] <kikimeter> if it doesnt work
[16:20] <kikimeter> I will reinstall from livecd
[16:20] <holstein> kikimeter: ok.. enjoy!
[16:20] <cfhowlett> !voodoo
[16:20] <cfhowlett> I had to check
[16:20] <holstein> kikimeter: as RT for support for the driver they provide
[16:20] <kikimeter> lol
[16:21] <holstein> sounds like a plan
[16:21] <kikimeter> if I can find the ALC892 driver on their web site
[16:21] <kikimeter> It would be a good start
[16:21] <kikimeter> but this web site is crap
[16:21] <holstein> i disagree
[16:21] <holstein> the drivers are in the kernel
[16:21] <holstein> you are trying to add 6 outs.. and that may *neverr* happen with that card
[16:21] <kikimeter> for all the sound card ?
[16:22] <holstein> you were not promised linux support for that device when you purchased it
[16:22] <kikimeter> no but the p8z77 is a very popular motherboard
[16:22] <holstein> might be that the baked in driver into the kernel is the best option... and usually is.. just like in macOSX
[16:22] <holstein> kikimeter: so
[16:22] <holstein> kikimeter: i didnt reference a popularity level
[16:22] <holstein> kikimeter: i said "supporting linux".. and it didnt promise you that
[16:23] <kikimeter> do you have a link to learn how kernel and driver work ?
[16:23] <holstein> kikimeter: the manufacturer did not promise you 6 output support from linux
[16:23] <cfhowlett> popular doesn't equal OEM linux suppport
[16:23] <kikimeter> yes yes
[16:23] <kikimeter> but that say that a lot of people have try before me
[16:24] <kikimeter> thank you guys
[16:24] <holstein> kikimeter: sure.. lots of folks just use stereo
[16:24] <holstein> kikimeter: this would be *just* like taking an audio device like that to macOSX
[16:24] <kikimeter> I have a 7.1 waiting
[16:25] <holstein> if it works, it'll typically just work, out of the box.. if it doesnt.. you ask the vendor.. they say "we dont support OSX" and appls says "...."
[16:28] <kikimeter> I have to audio soundcard too
[16:28] <kikimeter> :)
[16:28] <kikimeter> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
[16:28] <kikimeter> 02:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Barts HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 6800 Series]
[16:28] <holstein> hdmi can be problematic as well
[16:28] <kikimeter> yes
[16:29] <holstein> but, a live CD is easy to test
[16:29] <kikimeter> I've installed video card driver
[16:29] <holstein> kikimeter: that can help.. but, doesnt have to
[16:29] <kikimeter> my sound card is detected
[16:30] <kikimeter> my driver are not good
[16:30] <holstein> kikimeter: the fact is, you were not promised linux support
[16:30] <holstein> kikimeter: so, you may not be able to get linux support.. though, more and more are working well these days
[16:30] <holstein> there is a PPA that the steam community suggests
[16:30] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[16:31] <holstein> that can help provide the latest support for video hardware
[16:32] <kikimeter> my video driver are good
[16:32] <kikimeter> all works find
[16:32] <kikimeter> fine*
[16:33] <kikimeter> Oo I'm on a 3.11.0 kernel
[16:33] <kikimeter> I've installed the bad driver from realtek
[16:33] <kikimeter> :(
[16:35] <holstein> the "Best" drivers are usually already available to you
[16:35] <holstein> just baked into the kernel
[16:36] <holstein> the sites are usually just far enough beind to release a driver that is for ubuntu 10.04, at best
[16:36] <holstein> *and*, it doesnt help, or fix anything.. or provide added funcitonality
[16:36] <kikimeter> but for know the driver are not installed
[16:36] <holstein> kikimeter: to konw they dont *need* to be installed
[16:37] <holstein> to know the best drivers are already in the kernel
[16:37] <kikimeter> it's possible to remove a driver when an upgrade go wrong no ?
[16:37] <kikimeter> or that just impossible ?
[16:37] <kikimeter> it's for my understanding
[16:40] <holstein> kikimeter: you would ask the driver manufacturer
[16:41] <holstein> kikimeter: they should provide an uninstall.. but, its not mine, and i dont have any experience with it, and have not been invited to participate openly with its support
[16:41] <holstein> kikimeter: you would need to reinstall the driver each time, which is something that could have happened, and you are not able to tell me
[16:42] <holstein> you could have added the realtek driver, and ungraded the kernel, and the kernel doenst have the driver anymore
[16:42] <holstein> you would then, reinstall the driver from realtek..
[16:42] <holstein> and i would have assumed you would have already tried that, and not suggested it
[16:42] <kikimeter> I will just start by install the good driver from realtek
[16:42] <kikimeter> after I will reinstall my ubuntu
[16:43] <kikimeter> if it doesn't work
[16:43] <kikimeter> do you have any tip to test if my sound work from my sound card ?
[16:43] <holstein> sure.. but, its not "good"
[16:43] <kikimeter> and avoid to miss the good output
[16:43] <holstein> its just the 3rd party, non supported one that you may or may not prefer
[16:43] <holstein> kikimeter: i have alreayd given you *all* the tips
[16:44] <holstein> !audio | kikimeter j
[16:44] <holstein> test with live CD's or supported operating systems to see that the device is funcitoning and on
[16:44] <kikimeter> thank you
[16:44] <holstein> if you upgrade the kernel, that driver *will* break
[16:44] <holstein> its desigend that way
[16:44] <holstein> designed*
[16:45] <holstein> you reinstall it each time, or pin the kernel, or upgrade,a nd boot the older kernel.. or do something manual on your own.. or ask RT what to do with the product they provide
[16:46] <kikimeter> that work with the reinstallation of the driver
[16:46] <holstein> sure.. thats what all my questions were about earlier
[16:46] <kikimeter> from relatek web site
[16:46] <kikimeter> thank you
[16:46] <holstein> "i installed the driver, and everything was fine, then, i upgraded my kernel and audio broke".. thats what i needed
[16:48] <kikimeter> from me ?
[16:48] <kikimeter> but that not what happend
[16:48] <holstein> kikimeter: correct
[16:48] <kikimeter> I think my driver was not installed
[16:48] <holstein> kikimeter: you dont know what happened..
[16:48] <kikimeter> I donwload the driver for the bad kernel
[16:48] <kikimeter> install it
[16:48] <holstein> kikimeter: how about this.. if you have the driver break again, try reinstalling it...
[16:48] <kikimeter> break my driver
[16:48] <kikimeter> that it
[16:49] <kikimeter> I juste have to reinstall my driver from realtek for the good kernel
[16:49] <kikimeter> as simple as that
[16:49] <kikimeter> no need to reinstall all the os
[16:49] <holstein> right
[16:49] <holstein> kikimeter: im saying, reinstall the driver, friend
[16:50] <kikimeter> at the end yes
[16:50] <holstein> kikimeter: what i see that happened is, you installed a driver for the kernel, then, upgraded the kernel
[16:50] <kikimeter> your first advice was not : reinstall the driver
[16:50] <holstein> kikimeter: you are calling it the "bad" kernel.. or whatever
[16:50] <kikimeter> yes
[16:50] <holstein> kikimeter: right.. becuase you didnt tell me what broke what
[16:50] <holstein> kikimeter: and im not interested in debating
[16:50] <kikimeter> because i didnt know
[16:50] <holstein> kikimeter: im glad you have it all sorted
[16:50] <kikimeter> :)
[16:50] <kikimeter> thank you
[16:51] <holstein> and in the future, try reinstalling the driver.. since the kernel *will* get upgraded
[17:07] <lostuser7> Is there a dev channel for Ubuntu Studio?
[17:15] <holstein> lostuser7: yes
[17:15] <holstein>  /j #ubuntustudio-devel
[18:34] <k1mmyyy> hi all, i'm following an ardour tutorial and they want me to use puredata to make a test tone to route to ardour
[18:34] <holstein> what are you trying to do?
[18:34] <holstein> test audio?
[18:34] <k1mmyyy> but the version that comes with ubuntu studio seems to not have the "test audio and midi" function
[18:34] <k1mmyyy> yep
[18:34] <holstein> k1mmyyy: ok.. so, dont use pd
[18:35] <holstein> k1mmyyy: what are you trying to test? midi?
[18:35] <k1mmyyy> holstein, at all?
[18:35] <k1mmyyy> holstein, just practice routing, really
[18:35] <holstein> just fire up something like yoshimi that is easy, and well supported
[18:35] <holstein> it can be routed, audio and midi
[18:36] <k1mmyyy> i guess... it's just annoying that ubuntu studio ships with PD but it doesn't really work
[18:36] <k1mmyyy> i think it needs puredata-extended
[18:36] <holstein> k1mmyyy: i dont use it
[18:36] <holstein> k1mmyyy: if youd like to help test, im sure that would be appreciated
[18:36] <holstein> k1mmyyy: if you want to test audio and routing you dont need PD to do that
[18:38] <k1mmyyy> holstein, hmmmm
[18:38] <k1mmyyy> well
[18:38] <k1mmyyy> it seems to be this file testtone.pd
[18:38] <k1mmyyy> ideally i can find that online and then just throw it in the folder with all the other .pd's it comes with
[18:38] <holstein> sure
[18:39] <holstein> k1mmyyy: you would have to ask in puredata support channels.. i would also try #opensourcemusicians
[18:39] <k1mmyyy> alternatively i've just found pd-extended on their website
[18:39] <holstein> otherwise, if you want to test audio/midi/and routing, you can use yoshimi
[18:39] <holstein> its easy, and works "out of the box"
[18:39] <holstein> nothing about pd is "easy"
[18:39] <k1mmyyy> holstein, alright alright, it's in the repos?
[18:40] <k1mmyyy> ah it appears i already have it
[18:40] <holstein> k1mmyyy: its included, and works well "out of the box".. click and run.. jack support..
[18:44] <k1mmyyy> holstein, yep seems to be
[18:44] <k1mmyyy> alright lemme try it!
[18:44] <holstein> k1mmyyy: i know there are a few PD users in #opensourcemusians ..and maybe #ardour
[18:44] <holstein> if you are interested in that.. but, i would start with the simple things
[18:45] <k1mmyyy> holstein, yeah, lemme try yoshimi
[18:45] <holstein> no need to learn PD *and* all about jack and routing at the same time
[18:45] <holstein> if you need it though, there really is nothing like PD
[18:46] <k1mmyyy> holstein, i mean from the tutorial it seemed reallllly simple, like you connect it to jack and hit that test button, and it just produces a tone
[18:46] <k1mmyyy> so no learning really
[18:46] <k1mmyyy> anyway
[18:46] <k1mmyyy> i have yoshimi
[18:47] <holstein> k1mmyyy: you can ask in the #ardour channel about the tutorials they make
[18:48] <holstein> otherwise, nothing about pd has been "easy" or "simple".. and its never been suggested as easy or simple by the folks i know who use it
[18:48] <k1mmyyy> holstein, alright, so yoshimi has shown up in jack's connections box
[18:49] <k1mmyyy> is it automatically connected to it?
[18:49] <holstein> cool.. route it as needed. also, the nice thing about yoshimi is, it has a virtual keyboard
[18:49] <holstein> k1mmyyy: even if/when things auto connect, i confirm
[18:49] <k1mmyyy> hmmm how do i confirm it? i went to the jack tab under settings, it just says default
[18:50] <holstein> what would i do? isolate and test.. route audio from yoshimi in jack.. test audio with integrated virtual keyboard
[18:50] <holstein> then, route whatever i need from ardour, some midi file or track, or whatever.. and try and get that to send data to yoshime
[18:50] <holstein> yoshimi*
[18:51] <holstein> i dont use ardour's connections panel, though, i have heard its nice
[18:51] <holstein> you can ask about it in #ardour
[18:51] <holstein> i use "connect" in qjackctl to connect whatever i want where ever i need. but, there are many tools to do that with now.. lots of GUI's for it
[18:51] <k1mmyyy> Hmmm
[18:51] <k1mmyyy> yeah
[18:52] <k1mmyyy> right now i just connected yoshimi to my speakers
[18:52] <k1mmyyy> cause i wanted to hear it
[18:52] <k1mmyyy> why are my speakers off by default? is it because i killed pulseaudio?
[18:52] <holstein> yup.. then, you dont have to wonder "is yoshimi even connected to audio,a nd making sound"
[18:52] <holstein> you can then troubleshoot knowing yoshimi is connected properly for audio
[18:52] <k1mmyyy> ayeet
[18:52] <k1mmyyy> hmm
[18:52] <k1mmyyy> okay
[18:52] <k1mmyyy> lemme try
[18:52] <holstein> k1mmyyy: i dont konw what yoru setup is like.. and you shouldnt "kill pulseaudio"
[18:53] <holstein> you can just disable the dbus, if you like
[18:53] <holstein> its in the qjackctl settings.. under the misc tab
[18:53] <k1mmyyy> holstein, well multiple people have told me that pulseaudio will conflict with things
[18:53] <holstein> k1mmyyy: it doesnt
[18:53] <k1mmyyy> hmm.
[18:53] <holstein> k1mmyyy: you can do what you like, but, you dont kill pulse like that
[18:53] <k1mmyyy> well i did pulseaudio --kill
[18:53] <holstein> k1mmyyy: you would disable the dbus, and use JACK without the included dbus that is integrating pulse with jack
[18:53] <k1mmyyy> Hmmm
[18:53] <holstein> k1mmyyy: ok.. *dont* do that
[18:53] <k1mmyyy> hahah
[18:53] <k1mmyyy> okay
[18:54] <holstein> k1mmyyy: it likely just respawned pulse
[18:54] <k1mmyyy> holstein, i set autospawn to off
[18:54] <k1mmyyy> but i can undo it
[18:54] <holstein> k1mmyyy: what do i suggest? go do the misc tab, disable the dbus, and just use JACK
[18:54] <k1mmyyy> holstein, hmmm, okay...to be honesty i don't *really* know what dbus does...
[18:55] <holstein> nothing about pulse breaks or bothers anything for me
[18:55] <holstein> you can always purge it commpletely, if you want. .but, i suggest actually encourtering an issue, then acting on it
[18:55] <holstein> k1mmyyy: the dbus makes pulse integrate into JACK
[18:55] <holstein> k1mmyyy: we have code that, makes pulse sink with JACK.. by default
[18:56] <k1mmyyy> hmmmm
[18:56] <k1mmyyy> yeah i notice that if i search ps aux | grep jack, jackdbus is running
[18:57] <holstein> right.. you'll need to restart it with the GUI.. assuming you are using the GUI
[18:57] <k1mmyyy> Yeah
[18:57] <k1mmyyy> okay
[18:57] <k1mmyyy> so you think restart pulse, turn autospawn back on, just disable dbus?
[18:57] <k1mmyyy> within qjackctl
[18:57] <holstein> i click "qjackctl" from the menu.. i disable the dbus.. i use JACK.. i have no issue with pulse, or a reason to address, kill or otherwise notice pulse when using JACK
[18:58] <k1mmyyy> alright
[18:58] <holstein> k1mmyyy: i dont think there is any reason to mess with pulse, at all
[18:58] <holstein> k1mmyyy: you didnt have any problems with it
[18:58] <k1mmyyy> sorry it's just hard when you're starting this stuff and you don't really know what to do, and all these tutorials say things
[18:58] <holstein> i dont.. no one does anymore
[18:58] <holstein> if you want to get rid of it, do so
[18:58] <k1mmyyy> it's hard to know what's right and not
[18:58] <holstein> k1mmyyy: well, theres what you need, and what works for you, and your hardware
[18:58] <holstein> k1mmyyy: not really a "right/wrong" thing
[18:59] <holstein> if you find, for some reason, pulse is casuing issues.. purge it
[18:59] <holstein> but, killing it like that, with our dbus still running.. i dont think thats going to work.. though, i havent tried it first hand
[19:06] <k1mmyyy> holstein, oooh, yoshimi worked so easily
[19:06] <k1mmyyy> routed it to ardour
[19:08] <holstein> yeah, its an easy way to get a handle on routing
[19:08] <holstein> and, routing most anything will be similar
[19:09] <holstein> k1mmyyy: if you are tyring to control it from a USB keyboard, you may need "a2jmidid -e" from a terminal
[19:12] <k1mmyyy> hmmm
[19:12] <k1mmyyy> some keys already work
[19:19] <holstein> well, it'll be all or nothing
[19:19] <k1mmyyy> Hmmm strange
[21:00] <delt> hello
[21:00] <delt> well, replaced my power supply and motherboard, still having problems with my midi keyboard over usb
[21:01] <delt> similar board (also an asus), and exact same errors/problems
[21:01] <delt> so that pretty much rules out the possibility of a hardware fault
[21:02] <delt> the mobo comes with a CD, it contains a file LinuxDrivers/readme.txt which contains: Note: Please update to the latest Linux Kernel for motherboard chipset and components support.
[22:15] <holstein> delt: its probably more appropriate to chat here about your keyboard
[22:16] <holstein> the issue is, as i see it, you are jumping around a bit.. try the unit on an officially supported platform, or a live CD that you *know* supported the hardware well
[22:16] <holstein> try it on another machine or 2
[22:16] <holstein> you should be able to tell where the issue is through troubleshooting while removing things from the equation, and seeing what issues are still there
[22:17] <holstein> i wouldnt be bothered by some kernel "Messages"
[22:17] <holstein> i would expect those, and ignore them
[22:28] <delt> holstein: i told you already, the keyboard works 100% fine on my laptop running ubuntu 13.10
[22:29] <delt> oh you mean on the desktop machine, but like, windows or something?
[22:29] <delt> yeah this motherboard is kind of "recent" so i guess full support for the USB hardware hasn't made it into the linux kernel yet
[22:30] <delt> anyway, i read on a forum that only the 64bit kernel supported certain USB stuff, downloading it now... in the mean time i'll see if i can find a windowz cd somewhere..
[22:55] <k1mmyyy> hey guys i'm trying to get Vkeybd to connect to aeolus through jack. aeolus is showing up in the midi tab of connect in qjackctl, but vkeybd isn't... i have the "midi driver" set to "raw" in the setup of qjackctl
[22:55] <k1mmyyy> any ideas?
[23:07] <delt> oops sorry
[23:33] <delt> is gparted included (and usable) on the livedisc?