[00:36] <knome> micahg, did you get to upload something?
[01:36] <knome> Unit193, keeping hopes up for RU and ES
[01:36] <Unit193> Mmmm, I have hopes for RU as well, some others too.
[08:53] <elfy> ochosi: "can i have a screensaver (xscreensaver) and still use light locker for login?" our pqwoerituytrueiwoq friend ... 
[08:54] <bluesabre> elfy: nope
[08:54] <bluesabre> err
[08:54] <bluesabre> well, yes
[08:55] <bluesabre> if he wants to enter his password twice
[08:56] <elfy> he might - he'd rather have something on the screen than a blank one - uses TV for monitor apparently
[08:56] <elfy> and hi bluesabre :)
[08:57] <bluesabre> hey elfy
[08:58] <bluesabre> it might be possible, but if he's doing something like that, just use xscreensaver
[08:58] <elfy> yea - remove lightlocker I guess
[09:12] <jhenke> good morning
[09:12] <elfy> hi jhenke 
[09:14] <elfy> bluesabre: your words are immortalised on the forum ... 
[09:19] <bluesabre> oh boy
[09:23] <elfy> I highlighted the 'err' 
[09:29] <ochosi> morning
[09:30] <ochosi> elfy: he's probably mixing things up
[09:30] <elfy> hi ochosi 
[09:30] <ochosi> he's probably wanting to say "can i still use the greeter and use xscreensaver for locking"
[09:30] <elfy> entirely possible
[09:30] <ochosi> light-locker has nothing to do with login
[09:30] <elfy> yep - that will be a what do I call it thing I expect
[09:31] <bluesabre> hey ochosi: going to try release a fixed greeter now before I'm gone for the day
[09:31] <elfy> rather - I think what he's saying is then can I have a screensaver and still use light-locker
[09:32] <ochosi> bluesabre: great stuff! i don't think we have any other bugs we can/want to fix for now and that one bug is nasty enough to warrant a release
[09:32] <ochosi> also, translations
[09:32] <ochosi> elfy: right, that doesn't make too much sense then...
[09:33] <ochosi> bluesabre: we should do another parole sprint and try to fix one or two more bugs and then do a release of that, maybe next week or so
[09:33] <ochosi> bluesabre: or: could :)
[09:33] <elfy> ochosi: yea - reading between the lines - he wants a 'picture' on the monitor - not a blank screen 
[09:33] <bluesabre> ochosi: agreed
[09:33] <bluesabre> I'm going to do a round of bugfix releases this weekend, then we can try to hack on parole
[09:34] <ochosi> bluesabre: that sounds great. well that or we try to figure out the lock-settings mess :)
[09:34] <brainwash> mugshot anytime soon too? :)
[09:34] <bluesabre> I don't suppose you had a chance to test the dvd fix?
[09:34] <bluesabre> brainwash: today or tomorrow
[09:34] <brainwash> great
[09:34] <bluesabre> brainwash: any particulars you want fixed for sure?
[09:34] <ochosi> bluesabre: i asked around, ppl here don't have any video dvds :/
[09:35] <bluesabre> ok, I'll hope for the best... it does work for me anyway :)
[09:35] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, that's not in the scope of light-locker
[09:35] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, it'll most likely be an improvement, even if it only works for some ;)
[09:35] <elfy> ochosi: I know - so remove light-locker and install xscreensaver would work for him
[09:36] <ochosi> elfy: exactly. probably i need to extend that post for x.org on locking and mention screensavers
[09:36] <brainwash> bluesabre: not sure, I pushed 3 branches which add some minor improvements (no lp reports)
[09:36] <elfy> ochosi: yea, or I could 
[09:36] <ochosi> anyway, gotta take off now
[09:36] <elfy> have a good weekend :)
[09:36] <ochosi> elfy: that'd be great, feel free to go ahead
[09:37] <brainwash> bluesabre: do you already have a solution for the file size issue?
[09:37] <ochosi> thanks, i'll most likely come back quickly tonight and check in
[09:37] <elfy> somehow I knew you'd say that :p
[09:37] <ochosi> :)
[09:38] <ochosi> have a nice day everyone!
[09:38] <brainwash> cya ochosi 
[09:38] <elfy> hi brainwash 
[09:38] <bluesabre> brainwash: yeah, I'm going to scale the image to 250px or something small
[09:38] <brainwash> hey elfy 
[09:38] <brainwash> bluesabre: ok
[09:39] <bluesabre> btw, make some merge requests for your branches explaining them... otherwise, they look pretty good
[09:40] <brainwash> nothing special, and I was not sure if they are actually merge ready
[09:41] <elfy> bluesabre: ok - you're safe now, not immortalised on the forum :p
[09:42] <bluesabre> *phew*
[09:43] <elfy> lol
[09:44] <brainwash> *pqwo*
[09:44] <brainwash> just checking the ubuntu+1 subforum
[09:45] <elfy> generally it's either pqwwerweraf or ajgreeny bringing up Xubuntu issues
[09:47] <bluesabre> ok, greeter released, now for some quick packaging
[09:47] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/1.8/1.8.4
[09:48] <dkessel> hey guys
[09:48] <bluesabre> hey dkessel
[09:49] <dkessel> bluesabre: which DVD issue are you referring to?
[09:49] <bluesabre> dkessel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parole/+bug/1098323
[09:49] <bluesabre> I applied a fix in trunk
[09:50] <elfy> dkessel: most of the bugs being looked at are on the blueprint I think/hope
[09:50] <elfy> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-bugs
[09:52] <dkessel> bluesabre: I could verify a fix. hmm is there a package yet or how could I try?
[09:53] <bluesabre> the parole package here should be updated with the fix: https://launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/+archive/xfce-4.12-daily
[09:54] <dkessel> OK will try that later today
[09:57] <dkessel> don't want make the cat stand up from my lap atm ;)
[09:57] <elfy> lol
[09:59] <dkessel> :D
[10:03] <bluesabre> thanks dkessel
[10:03] <bluesabre> knome, micahg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1299397
[10:03] <bluesabre> that release should fix that horrible bug
[10:05] <brainwash> "horrible" :)
[10:05] <bluesabre> gotta go, bbl
[10:05] <brainwash> bye
[10:05] <elfy> cya bluesabre 
[10:05] <bluesabre> any bug I have to fix twice is "horrible"
[10:05] <bluesabre> :D
[10:07] <bluesabre> or rather, "that has to be fixed twice"
[10:07] <bluesabre> since ochosi did all the work the second time :)
[10:08] <elfy> lol
[10:08]  * bluesabre has cleared his conscious and can leave now
[10:08] <bluesabre> or is that conscience
[10:08] <elfy> sleeping for the day 
[10:08] <bluesabre> whatever
[10:08] <bluesabre> bbl
[10:08] <elfy> aah - conscience might be best :p
[10:09] <bluesabre> heh
[12:13] <udzguru> hello
[12:13] <elfy> same answer in here ;)
[12:14] <udzguru> no different question here probably ;) 
[12:14] <elfy> that said I'm lazy and tend to use synaptic 
[12:15] <udzguru> my wireless indicator in the tray disappeared for no reason. starting nm-applet does not bring it back. any ideas? 
[12:15] <udzguru> (beforehand i killed all instances of nm-applet)
[12:15] <elfy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Gtk3Indicators
[12:16] <elfy> look at the indicators may fail to load bit :)
[12:19] <udzguru> ok ... applying the changes ... then will reboot (due to a kernel update). will get back with more information afterwards. thanks for your help in advance!
[12:31] <elfy> brainwash: do you know of the top of your head if the old Ctrl+Esc shortcut to menu is being added for whiskermenu?
[12:31] <elfy> or indeed anyone else who is lurking ;)
[12:33] <udzguru> back again
[12:34] <elfy> I noticed :p
[12:34] <udzguru> everything worked out fine after using your howto elfy. thank you so much for your help.
[12:34] <elfy> welcome :)
[12:35] <udzguru> had to get used to the little-confusing settings of the notification panel but now i have back my wireless indicator ;) 
[12:35] <elfy> I don't use wireless so ... 
[12:35] <udzguru> yeah ... call it network indicator ;) 
[12:35] <elfy> :)
[12:37] <udzguru> performance-wise i really like trusty. 
[12:37] <elfy> good :)
[12:44] <starrats> Just curious did you devel folks get rid of 'workspaces' on the final Beta, I'm using it now.
[12:44] <elfy> just booted the daily - that has 2 workspaces
[12:47] <starrats> couldn't find the 'daily'
[12:48] <elfy> starrats: middle click on the desktop - how many workspaces does that show you?
[12:49] <elfy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[12:49] <starrats> ok
[12:51] <brainwash> elfy: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xubuntu-default-settings/appmenu_shortcut
[12:52] <elfy> brainwash: thanks - I guessed it was in the pipeline - just checking :)
[12:52] <elfy> and I'm never really sure where to look either ... 
[12:53] <elfy> I guess if I kept links to the LP pages for people I'd probably find them there lol 
[12:54] <elfy> starrats: so how many workspaces when you middle click on desktop?
[12:55] <starrats> I have now 4 but can't get the 3 to move to the individual spaces 
[12:56] <starrats> they're all in #1 workspace
[12:56] <elfy> what? 
[12:56] <elfy> I completely don't understand that
[12:56] <elfy> hi lderan 
[12:57] <starrats> I have FF, TB mail and Hexchat all in the first workspace want to put them in individual workspaces
[12:57] <elfy> right click on the title bar and move them - or drag them 
[12:58] <starrats> ok
[12:59] <starrats> will work on it in a bit must go help my gf atm
[13:00] <brainwash> we've crippled the workspace usability a bit
[13:08] <elfy> how?
[13:09] <elfy> I don't use it much so haven't really noticed much 
[13:10] <brainwash> workspace switcher (panel) has been removed and some on-scroll functionality has been disabled
[13:11] <elfy> oic - the oh my you could accidentally shake while typing 1 and get 1111 workspaces thing :p
[13:11] <brainwash> 100 is max
[13:11] <elfy> and the switcher can be added if people want it 
[13:11] <elfy> brainwash: I'm just quoting someone else :)
[13:12] <brainwash> no, not the settings dialog scroll problem
[13:12] <elfy> yes :)
[13:13] <brainwash> elfy: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xubuntu-default-settings/xfwm4_disable_scrollevents/+merge/209545
[13:13] <elfy> instead of going for "11" you go for "111" or even "1111"
[13:13] <elfy> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10644
[13:14] <brainwash> yeah, but ochosi does not want it to be changed ^
[13:14] <elfy> oh that - I see waht you're talking about now 
[13:14] <brainwash> :)
[13:14] <elfy> yep - I know - I Was confusing 2 issues there 
[13:14] <elfy> I forget we did that as I still haven't got that change and had to put it back
[13:18] <brainwash> just created a new user and our default whiskermenu favorites add some clutter
[13:18] <brainwash> maybe it's just me
[13:19] <elfy> looking in vm
[13:19] <brainwash> I prefer a clean and lightweight look
[13:19] <elfy> well ... 
[13:20] <brainwash> don't agree? :)
[13:20] <brainwash> it's my first impression
[13:20] <elfy> pretty sure the decision was to have in favourites what is in the slideshow - and it's easy enough to remove things
[13:20] <brainwash> yes, everyone can change whatever he wants
[13:21] <elfy> my default menu has completely different things on it 
[13:22] <elfy> brainwash: compare that to the app menu plugin
[13:22] <brainwash> the classic app menu has a clean look
[13:22] <elfy> there is actually 1 less 'app' on the default whiskermenu 
[13:24] <brainwash> ok, I don't want it to be changed (would be almost impossible anyway)
[13:26] <elfy> lol
[13:59] <elfy> brainwash: aha - got some sort of useful output - ish on deleting from desktop - adding it to report
[14:00] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1294209/comments/6
[14:01] <brainwash> elfy: nice, we got a hint now :)
[14:03] <elfy> yep
[14:03] <brainwash> https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/38853
[14:05] <elfy> then a second attempt to delete from the desktop doesn't get the warning
[14:06] <elfy> anyway - there we go - finally get something useful for it :p
[14:06] <brainwash> only a warning message according to the arch report, but your system apparently freezes =S
[14:06] <elfy> yep
[14:06] <elfy> no apparently about it :D
[14:09] <elfy> can't find anything on bugzilla.xfce
[14:09] <elfy> I'll report it there 
[14:09] <elfy> or is the issue with gvfs
[14:12] <brainwash> gvfs, but thunar/xfdesktop might be causing the freeze by not handling the gvfs warning/error properly
[14:12] <brainwash> can you check if thunar is also generating the warning?
[14:12] <elfy> really don't want another damn account lol
[14:13] <elfy> I don't get the same issue when deleting in thunar - it is only from the desktop
[14:13] <brainwash> if yes and thunar does not cause any freeze, then there is something wrong with xfdesktop maybe
[14:13] <brainwash> ok, file against xfdesktop
[14:13] <brainwash> upstream
[14:13] <elfy> yep
[14:17] <elfy> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10778
[14:17] <elfy> added it to LP report - still a vague description - but there you go - I'm vague at the best of times :)
[14:19] <brainwash> at least we now have something to work with
[14:19] <elfy> yea
[14:49] <dkessel> bluesabre: your fix for the dvd playback issue works. i have verified with parole from your xfce ppa
[14:52] <starrats> elfy and brainwash I did figure out how to work the new version of 'workspaces', I use them a lot considering this is Linux but I prefer the old way when they sat up on top and not using middle mouse button to get to each one.
[15:00] <brainwash> starrats: it's the same thing, you can re-add the panel workspace switcher
[15:02] <starrats> ah okay
[15:06] <starrats> got it thanks brainwash
[16:20] <bluesabre> dkessel, thanks a lot!
[16:21] <dkessel> well thank you for fixing, bluesabre :)
[16:22] <bluesabre> I'll do a new parole release tonight, mugshot too
[16:25] <dkessel> bluesabre: regarding bug 1293151 - i debugged it a bit and found it only happens in the live session. still interested in finding the problem?
[16:25] <bluesabre> yeah, if we can figure it out, it will probably save some trouble down the road
[16:34] <starrats> good, bad or indifferent that timed from when the screen goes black and have to put you password in on this last Beta is really a short time, not complaing just noticing
[16:48] <brainwash> starrats: put your password to do what?
[16:48] <brainwash> unlock the session after it was inactive for 10 minutes?
[16:49] <starrats> away form the laptop for a bit and then I comeback and te desktop/screen is black and I move the cursor a tad and I have to put my password back in to get back on
[16:50] <starrats> like I said really no big deal but it is quite fast or I'm slow in getting back, lol
[16:51] <starrats> yes brainwash
[16:52] <brainwash> 10 minutes is the default timeout
[16:53] <brainwash> but you can change it
[16:53] <brainwash> settings manager > light locker settings
[16:54] <starrats> ah okay but the 10 minutes is fine I was only commenting on it.  Love this final.
[16:56] <starrats> when this is released, I hope a lot of folks will be thrilled with it, like I am.  Very good job by all who participated in this  build!
[17:12] <dkessel> bluesabre: i attached files to the menulibre bug. extra info: if i log out of the live session and re-enter the session, the menu is updated correctly
[17:49] <Unit193> Re: Xubuntu translations: 1. Well I'd hope everything is 100% English.  2. What translation should Libreoffice pull in when installed?  This sounds more like it's expecting you to know what language you want, and for you to install it.  3&4 see #1 :P  (But really, I think he's confused between git master and actual releases.)
[17:51] <knome> yep.
[17:51] <knome> though i guess he's saying we should pull translations from git master
[17:51] <knome> ... which we should
[17:53] <Unit193> How?  As a quilt patch?  Or repack? :/
[17:54] <knome> i don't know how, but it would be good to have the latest translation state
[17:55] <Unit193> Maybe it's because I'm English only, but I'd normally say just follow the releases.
[17:56] <brainwash> Unit193: request a new upstream release :)
[17:57] <Unit193> Why?  If it's not major bug fixes or new features? :P
[18:04] <knome> if we are carryinag a delta for package X, won't hurt to update with a new ubuntu version
[19:31] <brainwash> Noskcaj: should we be worried that this hasn't be merged yet?
[19:31] <brainwash> been
[19:31] <brainwash> https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-settings/1289411/+merge/212261
[19:32] <Noskcaj> brainwash, Not yet. We had beta freeze and then a weekend, so not much merge sponsoring
[19:33] <brainwash> ok
[19:33] <Noskcaj> But because universe, we can get stuff sponsored till final release freeze (with project lead approval)
[19:34] <brainwash> right, but we want it fixed as soon as possible, so there is more time left to test it :)
[19:34] <brainwash> test the final product I mean
[19:36] <dkessel> elfy: upgrade test saucy -> trusty done
[19:38] <brainwash> Noskcaj: does the patch header and name matter when adding patches to a package?
[19:39] <Noskcaj> brainwash, not that much, but it helps to have good info
[19:40] <brainwash> what prefix should I use for a patch extracted from a git mirror for svn?
[19:40] <brainwash> abiword :P
[19:41] <elfy> dkessel: ta :)
[19:43] <Noskcaj> just svn-
[19:47] <brainwash> oh, I used the rev number for my PPA upload
[19:47] <brainwash> so, r12345-
[19:47] <brainwash> debdiff or bzr branch?
[19:48] <Noskcaj> whatever you prefer working with.
[19:49] <brainwash> ok, thanks :)
[19:57] <brainwash> Noskcaj: abiword does no support downstream branches
[19:58] <Noskcaj> What do you mean?
[19:58] <brainwash> https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/abiword
[20:01] <brainwash> this is rather complicated
[20:04] <brainwash> packaging for my PPA is so easy, but officially releasing this is meh
[20:05] <brainwash> it needs to be done on the debian side
[23:12] <knome> hey micahg, should we poke the sponsors queue or are you going to upload things?
[23:13] <Noskcaj> knome, There's enough stuff that a queue poke is needed anyway
[23:14] <knome> i'm talking about particular things i've asked him to upload; if you think there's something that needs to be in the sponsors queue, feel free to do the paperwork
[23:15] <knome> and it'd be appreciated if that was "just done"