[00:19] <ahoneybun> valorie, I'm even a friend of gnome
[00:20] <ahoneybun> so back with us Darkwing
[00:48] <Darkwing> ahoneybun: Aye
[00:52] <ahoneybun> Darkwing, awesome
[01:59] <valorie> ahoneybun: I'm friends with a some gnome people
[01:59] <valorie> great folks
[02:00] <valorie> I just don't like the desktop At All
[02:00] <ahoneybun> as in I donate valorie
[02:01] <valorie> cool
[02:01] <ahoneybun> yep
[02:01] <valorie> I donate to KDE
[02:01] <valorie> I should kick in to kubuntu as well
[02:02] <ahoneybun> yep
[03:26] <Darkwing> yeesh, 4 years of email sorting
[03:28] <ahoneybun> Darkwing, wow
[03:29] <Darkwing> Trying to get my inbox sorted as much as I can.
[03:30] <ahoneybun> Darkwing, how do you like the kde wiki page of our docs?
[03:31] <Darkwing> ahoneybun: Have to looked at it yet. It's in my browser though :)
[03:31] <ahoneybun> nice
[03:32] <Darkwing> between email sorting, hockey and py work...
[09:36] <ovidiu-florin> jose: hey
[09:37] <ovidiu-florin> currently I'm working on migrating the news archive
[09:37] <ovidiu-florin> which is kind of difficult. I'm currently working on a local copy of the DBs
[12:20] <Kalidarn> hmm, has anyone noticed that the installer appears to freeze at Preparing to install Kubuntu
[12:20] <Kalidarn> the state where it asks if you want to install third party software or download updates
[12:20] <Kalidarn> you get the spinning balls, but other than that no apparent activity
[12:21] <Kalidarn> btw using Beta 2 media atm
[12:23] <Kalidarn> btw the computer is nothing fancy, just a regular desktop pc that is about 5 years old.
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:23] <Kalidarn> okay so it is actually doing things
[12:23] <Kalidarn> :P
[13:20] <Kalidarn> seriously. http://askubuntu.com/questions/437635/how-to-turn-off-baloo-in-kde-4-13
[13:21] <Kalidarn> i know it's a good feature for newbies, but i tend to use locate if i need to find something or find from the terminal, and I don't really need an indexer indexing things.
[13:28] <yofel> Kalidarn: see aseigo's post on http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=154&t=120047
[13:28] <Kalidarn> well not really a transition as i reinstalled.
[13:28] <yofel> understand "transition" from an upstream POV
[13:28] <Kalidarn> so i would assume that nepomuk is not installed.
[13:28] <Kalidarn> ah k
[13:29] <yofel> there are bits of nepomuk installed as they're required for the migration, but it doesn't run by default
[13:29] <Kalidarn> right
[13:29] <yofel> you can even uninstall nepomuk-core-runtime if you want now
[13:30] <Kalidarn> ah as it says it's not started ;)
[13:30] <Kalidarn> so i think i'll leave it alone as i don't want it to start
[13:36] <Kalidarn> okay the device manager for choosing binary drivers has some issues.
[13:37] <Kalidarn> when it looked to complete the window refreshed with no list of drivers, and now has left me with a system that can't start X :P
[13:38] <Kalidarn> it looks like it removed xserver-xorg-video-nouveau but didn't put the binary one in it's place
[13:40] <Kalidarn> hmm this is my Xorg.0.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/7179405/ i wonder what went wrong
[13:41] <Kalidarn> [     6.059] (WW) Warning, couldn't open module nouveau
[13:41] <Kalidarn> oh so it looks like it removed the nouveau package but didn't change the module to nvidia ;)
[13:45] <Kalidarn> it did install nvidia hmm.
[13:45] <Kalidarn> specifically version 331
[13:46] <Kalidarn> hmm it looks like it's trying to load both.
[13:49] <Kalidarn> okay that's weird reinstalling xserver-xorg-video-nouveau seemed to fix things
[13:50] <Kalidarn> and glx info says
[13:50] <Kalidarn> erver glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[13:50] <Kalidarn> so i'd say it's using the binary driver now.
[14:02] <yofel> shadeslayer: ^ why is it removing nouveau? That shouldn't really be needed. Or is ubuntu-drivers-common(?) doing that?
[14:12] <Kalidarn> btw i clicked the "Recommended" one
[14:12] <Kalidarn> in there it did eventually load a list of drivers
[14:12] <Kalidarn> and then it sort of looked like it installed something (which it did)
[14:13] <Kalidarn> but that needs more testing before release :P
[14:16] <BluesKaj> sytem settings>multimedia>audio&video settings>
[14:17] <BluesKaj> still hangs and won't open device preferences 
[14:17] <Kalidarn> that's weird works for me :P
[14:17] <Kalidarn> though i see "Default"
[14:17] <Kalidarn> is the playback device
[14:17] <BluesKaj> Kalidarn, have you updated kde
[14:18] <BluesKaj> alsamixer and kmix are fine
[14:18] <Kalidarn> Platform Version 4.12.95
[14:18] <Kalidarn> i thought 4.13 was released
[14:18] <BluesKaj> Platform Version 4.12.97 here
[14:19] <Kalidarn> okay ill do an update.
[14:19] <Kalidarn> hmm
[14:20] <BluesKaj> and it happens on my desktop pc as well using the same backend but totally different soundcards 
[14:20] <Kalidarn> do you know what causes this:
[14:20] <Kalidarn> W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/au.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty_universe_source_Sources  Hash Sum mismatch
[14:20] <Kalidarn> sometimes i see that rarely.
[14:20] <Kalidarn> W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/au.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty_universe_binary-i386_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch
[14:21] <Kalidarn> i guess deleting the file and apt-get update should be sufficient
[14:21] <BluesKaj> no idea, unless the source hasn't been updated 
[14:23] <Kalidarn> i'll try us mirrors
[14:25] <BluesKaj> hi soee, mamarley 
[14:26] <mamarley> Hi.  Sorry about the flapping.  That was the last of it.
[14:26] <BluesKaj> mamarley, flapping?
[14:27] <Kalidarn> what is flapping
[14:27] <mamarley> Disconnecting and reconnecting
[14:27] <Kalidarn> only flapping i know is flappy bird flapping
[14:28] <Kalidarn> oh.
[14:28] <Kalidarn> i hadn't noticed :D
[14:28] <Kalidarn> set irc.look.smart_filter on 
[14:28] <Kalidarn> filter add irc_smart * irc_smart_filter *
[14:28] <Kalidarn> solves that for me
[14:29] <Kalidarn> http://dev.weechat.org/post/2008/10/25/Smart-IRC-join-part-quit-message-filter
[14:29] <Kalidarn> and i don't do it myself because i use znc on a vps very close to a freenode server :P
[14:29] <Kalidarn> which reminds me im not on my favorite irc server
[14:31] <BluesKaj> flapper
[14:32] <Kalidarn> there we go
[14:32] <Kalidarn> good old roddenberry is back online
[14:32]  * BluesKaj repeats himself.... flapper > Kalidarn
[14:32] <Kalidarn> i usually sustain irc connection for like months at a time
[14:33] <BluesKaj> bouncers are ok, no real need if you're already cloaked
[14:33] <Kalidarn> well more to avoid join/part and use on multiple devices
[14:33] <Kalidarn> and receive private messages when away
[14:34] <Kalidarn> also a fibre connection in an vps is going to probably be more reliable than one's adsl connection
[14:35] <BluesKaj> think I recieved one private message in 2 yrs while away 
[14:36] <Kalidarn> yeah well my university has their irc channel on freenode
[14:36] <Kalidarn> so i usually tell people to contact me there if they need me
[14:37] <Kalidarn> okay so dist-upgrade says no new packages
[14:48] <Kalidarn> BluesKaj: so are you using any ppas?
[14:48] <Kalidarn> im only seeing 95
[14:49] <BluesKaj> Kalidarn, no ppas
[14:51] <BluesKaj> oops Kalidarn yes I have one,  deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu trusty main , but it's not listed as a ppa in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[14:52] <BluesKaj> ok , gotta go for 30 mins or so..BBL
[16:46] <vHanda> Kalidarn: try `baloosearch`
[17:04] <shadeslayer> yofel: kcm now also removes the currently installed driver
[17:04] <shadeslayer> Kalidarn: interesting that the nvidia driver requires the nouveau driver 0.o
[17:07] <yofel> IIRC the driver loading is set up so that the nvidia driver is preferred if installed
[17:07] <yofel> I personally have nouveau installed here, and am very glad about that so I can purge the nvidia driver and get a working UI when something happens and I have no network connection
[17:08] <shadeslayer> hm
[17:09] <shadeslayer> yofel: well, I interpreted the s-p-g code as "Remove old driver , install new one"
[17:09] <shadeslayer> yofel: also, how would one solve the issue of rolling back to nouveau by not removing the nvidia driver in this case
[17:09] <shadeslayer> since the nvidia driver will always be prefered
[17:10] <yofel> xorg.conf and alternative switching I guess
[17:11] <yofel> In the past the nvidia driver versions were even co-installable. Doesn't seem to be the case these days anymore
[17:12] <yofel> so maybe removing it is the indended way?
[17:17] <shadeslayer> sigh
[17:17] <shadeslayer> xnox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1182784
[17:20] <yofel> hm, should I upload a calligra 2.8.1a because they respun the tarball post-release? -.-
[17:22] <shadeslayer> wut
[17:24] <yofel> see packagers
[17:26] <yofel> actually, I think I'll do that as changes-that-nobody-knows-where-they-come-from usually aren't good
[17:27] <shadeslayer> true
[17:28] <yofel> calligra-2.8.1-1.tar.xz
[17:28] <yofel> fun
[18:09] <tester56> yofel: remeber when a user had a conflict one package trying to overwrite a file of another?
[18:09] <yofel> that happens all the time, what package was that?
[18:10] <tester56> yofel: To be honest I do not know anymore, but do you consider this a bug in packaging?
[18:10] <yofel> that's definitely a packaging bug
[18:10] <tester56> yofel: I have found a bunch of this errors when installing dbgsym packages
[18:10] <yofel> or well, most of the time
[18:11] <yofel> that's... weird
[18:11] <yofel> unless you're installing both -dbg and -dbgsym
[18:12] <tester56> yofel: Unpacking libnepomukutils4-dbgsym (4:4.12.95-0ubuntu1) ...
[18:12] <tester56> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libnepomukutils4-dbgsym_4%3a4.12.95-0ubuntu1_amd64.ddeb (--unpack):
[18:12] <tester56>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libnepomukutils.so.4.13.0', which is also in package kdelibs5-dbg 4:4.12.95-0ubuntu1
[18:13] <yofel> that would be the case I mentioned
[18:13] <yofel> you only need one of those
[18:13] <tester56> yofel: yeah, but how is the user supposed to know?
[18:14]  * yofel wonders if the dbgsym documentation mentions that
[18:15] <tester56> yofel: could you not just simply add a conflict to both of them?
[18:15] <yofel> hm...
[18:15] <tester56> yofel: kdelibs5-dbg would want to remove  libnepomukutils4-dbgsym
[18:16] <tester56> yofel: I am not sure about vice versa though, as the -dbg are more useful than the plain dbgsym packages
[18:17] <yofel> the -dbgsym packages are generated by a post-build script in the archive build, for the -dbg packages we could add something that makes it conflict with $all-binaries-dbgsym or so
[18:17] <yofel> -dbg isn't really any more useful, it's just per-source, whereas -dbgsym is per-binary-package
[18:18] <yofel> -dbgsym was really created for the auto-retracer from apport used by launchpad, though we need them in drkonqi for packages that don't ship a -dbg package
[18:19] <tester56> yofel: According to Martin Pitt the -dbg packages contain sometimes lots of additional stuff, at least for python software
[18:20] <tester56> yofel: he recommended installing -dbg if available and if not -dbgsym
[18:20] <yofel> ah right, python is being special again
[18:20] <yofel> and yeah, that's what we do currently
[18:21] <tester56> yofel: I set up a script doing exactly that, it gave me around 100 conflicts  ... many of them being kde packages
[18:21] <tester56> yofel: I would have expected more, to be honest :-)
[18:22] <tester56> yofel: do you know any way of detecting the conflict before it takes place?
[18:22] <yofel> sounds like you're matching things wrong, if you're looking for the debug package for libnepomukutils4, you want kdelibs5-dbg
[18:23] <tester56> yofel: how should my script know that? I am detecting after names
[18:23] <yofel> hard to say, source for libnepomukutils4 is kde4libs, which has one single debug package -> kdelibs5-dbg
[18:24] <yofel> that's true for all of kde at least
[18:24] <yofel> pykde being the exception again as that has multiple
[18:25] <yofel> tester56: you might want to talk to manchicken when he's online, he's been doing work on kubuntu-debug-installer
[18:25] <tester56> yofel: if I understand correctly if apt detects the conflict it kills dpkg and simply leaves back things  ... doesn't it?
[18:25] <yofel> and you can look at the current one, which works - except that it can't enable the dbgsym repo if needed
[18:26] <yofel> tester56: pretty much, if this is a chroot or so, you could set force-overwrite in the dpkg config so the error is ignored. I do *not* recommend that for a production system though
[18:27] <yofel> apt fails because dpkg errors out, and aborts at that point. (leaving the conflicting package uninstalled and everything else unconfigured)
[18:27] <tester56> yofel: no I do not want to do that, as my script installs all dbg packages  first
[18:27] <tester56> yofel: I am installing one by one because of that ;-)
[18:28] <yofel> then as I said, see how kubuntu-debug-installer solves that (that's what provides the 'install debug packages' button in drkonqi)
[18:28] <yofel> also, at least for archive packages, apt-file can be useful to find stuff
[18:28] <tester56> yofel: I did not have good experiences with kubuntu-debug-installer
[18:29] <yofel> well, we know... that's why manchicken was trying to improve it (but got stuck with refactoring qapt)
[18:29] <tester56> yofel: would you be interested in the conflicting packages?
[18:30] <tester56> yofel: and generation scripts for dbgsym cannot consider -dgb?
[18:30] <yofel> they're not supposed to, different use case (as far as I know)
[18:31] <yofel> one could report a bug against pkg-create-dbgsym (which is what creates those), but I doubt it's valid
[18:32] <yofel> we could also try to generate a conflict for the debug packages against all -dbgsyms generated for the same source, but that might be rather tricky as well
[18:32] <yofel> feel free to send a mail to the ML though, someone else might come up with something
[18:33] <tester56> yofel: I could detect conflicting files before installing the package, but that would be really messy and time consuming for the script (download package, parse through the files and look if file exists already one system)
[18:34] <tester56> yofel: is there any better way using apt-get or aptitude?
[18:34] <tester56> yofel: which downloads, checks first, if check okay then install, if not it just deletes the package?
[18:37] <yofel> not that I know of, that would be really handy though in general
[18:39] <tester56> yofel: that check would be timeconsuming though ... 
[18:39] <yofel> could be, yeah
[18:39] <tester56> yofel: first you need to get a list of all system files, then compare using the Contents file
[18:40] <tester56> yofel: Contents file would be list of what files are int the deb
[18:41] <yofel> I don't think Contents is generated for dbgsym packages, only for the primary archive. So you'll still have to download and look at the file list in the deb
[18:50] <tester56> yofel: thanks for your help!
[18:50] <yofel> yw
[19:13] <A3D_Damir> I think that kubuntu needs to be more focused on managing other devices connected on kubuntu like phone, tablet , smart tv and stream content from kubuntu on smart TV will be great 
[21:20] <Riddell> evening
[22:51] <ScottK> Sput: It might be nice if you had a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1299872
[22:59] <Sput> ScottK: mmh. don't see any information that would help understanding the issue
[23:10] <valorie> yofel: I commented on a bug re: calligra & krita conflicts, I think so did another user who reported it to me
[23:12] <yofel> another one?
[23:13] <valorie> this was a couple of days ago
[23:13] <valorie> no problems since
[23:13] <valorie> and I update/upgrade daily
[23:13] <valorie> so I assume it has been fixed
[23:13] <yofel> I just fixed the fixed bug wrt. that again a few hours ago
[23:14] <yofel> hopefully it's correct now
[23:14] <valorie> k
[23:14] <valorie> yes, upgraded ~2 hours ago
[23:14] <yofel> calligra 2.8.1-1 amd64:
[23:14] <yofel> /build/buildd/calligra-2.8.1-1/krita/ui/opengl/kis_opengl_canvas2_p.h:334:82: error: 'GLEW_ARB_sync' was not declared in this scope
[23:14] <yofel> are you freakin' kidding me? Calligra is just set out to make our life hard -.-
[23:15] <yofel> oh nvm, that's arm64, not amd64
[23:36] <Kalidarn> shadeslayer: yeah that is interesting
[23:36] <Kalidarn> i guess that's why the driver manager gave me an unbootable system
[23:37] <Kalidarn> because when it installed the binary driver it was like nouveau driver YOU DON'T NEED
[23:37] <Kalidarn> but you do ;)
[23:37] <Kalidarn> i have not filed a bug on this but probably should
[23:37] <Kalidarn> i fixed it myself by simply reinstalling the nouveau driver
[23:38] <valorie> sounds important
[23:38] <Kalidarn> because it was apparent to Xorg.0.log that it tries to load both
[23:38] <valorie> I hope you will file or comment on a bug
[23:38] <Kalidarn> there probably already is one ;)
[23:38] <Kalidarn> i haven't checked