[00:27] <belkinsa> Hey there, skellat.
[00:27] <skellat> Hello
[00:27] <belkinsa> How are you?
[00:27] <skellat> Trying to stay warm
[00:27] <skellat> I salted the driveway and there was a plow truck out
[00:27] <skellat> Thankfully we've **still** got salt for messes like this
[00:28] <belkinsa> That's good to hear.  Down here is wet but no snow.
[00:28] <skellat> Snow and Ice
[00:28] <skellat> March is almost over
[00:29] <skellat> Makes me miss living in the south Pacific
[00:29] <skellat> And Nevada
[00:40] <belkinsa> Meeting in less than 20 minutes.
[00:50] <belkinsa> Meeting in 10 minutes.
[00:55] <skellat> Will anybody show up for said meeting?
[00:55] <belkinsa> I hope so.
[00:56] <belkinsa> Meeting in less than 5 minutes.
[00:57] <skellat> https://twitter.com/UbuntuOhio/status/450002188916375552
[00:57] <jenni> [ Twitter / UbuntuOhio: There is a meeting tonight ... ] - https://j.mp/1rR8OGm
[00:57] <skellat> 450002188916375552
[00:57] <skellat> Hmm, jenni doesn't read tweets anymore
[00:58] <belkinsa> I saw this used in another LoCo's meeting.
[00:58] <belkinsa> So the topic is set to what the topic is in the meeting.
[00:59] <skellat> belkinsa: Meetingology does that a lot in its various incarnations across the channels
[00:59] <belkinsa> I know, but we don't have that bot.
[00:59] <skellat> jrgifford unit193: PING
[01:00] <belkinsa> The meeting is starting!
[01:00] <skellat> Good evening everyone and welcome to the March 2014 meeting for Ubuntu Ohio
[01:00] <skellat> My name is Stephen Michael Kellat and I am the often absent Point of Contact/Leader for this LoCo Team
[01:01] <skellat> If you are here to attend tonight's meeting, please consult the agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/MeetingAgendaMarch2014
[01:01] <jenni> [ OhioTeam/MeetingAgendaMarch2014 - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/1rR9n2U
[01:01] <skellat> We're going to pause now so that people can raise their hands or otherwise signify their attendance
[01:01]  * belkinsa is here!
[01:03]  * jrgifford raises hand
[01:04] <skellat> Is anybody else in attendance for tonight's meeting?  If so, please signify your attendance politely while the meeting proceeds tonight.
[01:04] <skellat> I am going to deviate briefly from the agenda to speak about a special topic.
[01:05] <skellat> There have been questions raised about "the death of the LoCo" in the abstract throughout the Ubuntu community.
[01:05] <skellat> In fact, this was even put forward as a topic for my partners on the Ubuntu UK Podcast to cover
[01:05] <skellat> From the LoCo Council perspective, we do have a strong core of teams in Europe
[01:05] <skellat> We have healthy teams in Asia
[01:06] <skellat> We even have teams in Africa that are excited about Ubuntu and where LoCos are thriving
[01:06] <skellat> The biggest problem comes down to the United States
[01:06] <jrgifford> and in the US, we're basically a barren wasteland
[01:06] <jrgifford> or we're highly dysfunctional.
[01:06] <belkinsa> Correct.
[01:06] <skellat> jrgifford: Pretty much dysfunctional
[01:06] <belkinsa> But why?
[01:06] <skellat> 3 LoCos have fallen into the direct ownership of the LoCo Council
[01:07] <skellat> All three within US states
[01:07] <skellat> For the most part this is a phenomenon we're seeing in the United States and not seeing elsewhere on Earth
[01:07]  * skellat notes that we don't have any major Ubuntu deployments in space while Debian is on the International Space Station
[01:08] <skellat> Much of this is a cultural shift in the United States alone
[01:08] <jrgifford> In a iPhone centric culture, I've had a very difficult time getting my non-technical peers involved with Ubuntu
[01:08] <skellat> LoCo Council over the past week was already working on plans to get around issues with Moroccan customs to get discs for 14.04 into Morocco for the LoCo there
[01:09] <skellat> We've been working to get the Kingdom of Spain's communities unified
[01:09] <skellat> The Venezuelan LoCo...
[01:09] <skellat> ...has been asking for lots and lots of stuff...
[01:09] <skellat> ...and we have had to tell them to slow down as resources are not infinite.
[01:11] <skellat> jrgifford: I'm tentatively agreeing that this is a cultural shift.  Not everybody wants to be a developer.  A key difference between the work of Canonical Community Team and the LoCo Council is that CCT assumes people want to become developers on a path of ever greater enlightenment while LoCo Council works on supporting communities across Earth.
[01:11] <jrgifford> eh, i wouldn't even say that it has to be "become a developer"
[01:12] <jrgifford> but (as I was discussing with someone yesterday) we are becoming a world where things just work, and we aren't curious about how to do things outside of that box.
[01:12] <jrgifford> anyway, i'm derailing the conversation.
[01:12] <skellat> By terms of analogy, we're in a period similar to the 1950s with automobiles.  You could be a gearhead who knows everything about how your car works and be fine-tuning it or be instead somebody simply looking for a simple sedan to just drive around and let somebody else worry about maintenance.
[01:14] <jrgifford> precisely.
[01:14]  * belkinsa nods
[01:14] <skellat> With this in mind, there is some minor discussion that has cropped up from time to time at LoCo Council about wiping the slate clean of having state teams in the United States and having a single national team that organized itself internally however it saw fit.
[01:15] <belkinsa> I don't see that possible.
[01:15] <skellat> It would be taking a page from Brazil, in this case
[01:15] <belkinsa> I mean it's against the nature of USA.
[01:15] <skellat> Brazil has a single national team on Launchpad but internally is sub-divided into state groups or smaller
[01:15] <belkinsa> Oh.  Maybe that could work that way.
[01:16] <skellat> I want to alert the Ohio community that this has come up for the fourth time or so in discussion at LoCo Council but has not yet come to a vote
[01:17] <skellat> Things may yet change but LoCo Council is actively committed to changing things up as needed including yelling at CCT
[01:17] <Unit193> Doesn't seem like a useful choice to me.
[01:18] <skellat> Unit193: I'm not the proposer.
[01:18] <skellat> I've tried to stomp on this but I  only have 1 vote
[01:19] <Unit193> Ones like CA seem to work for them, OH isn't very active, so would have to do different things than CA, trying to manage them the same wouldn't be useful.
[01:19] <belkinsa> If there is a vote about doing what Brazil is doing, I would say that I have my +1 on the idea.  But!  I would to see the plan first that you guys have.
[01:19] <Unit193> s/, t/.  T/
[01:19] <jenni> Unit193 meant to say: Ones like CA seem to work for them, OH isn't very active, so would have to do different things than CA.  Trying to manage them the same wouldn't be useful.
[01:20] <skellat> Thankfully nothing is that far along yet.  I just want to keep everybody in the loop.  California & Ohio are the strongest of the state teams in the US.
[01:20] <Unit193> That's not really a good sign I'd say, since all we do is pretty much OLF once a year.
[01:21] <skellat> No, it isn't.
[01:21] <skellat> I thank Unit193 for the segue into OLF 2014 discussion.
[01:21] <belkinsa> Ready, or no?
[01:21] <skellat> As noted in the agenda, we have a series of questions to discuss in the matter.
[01:22] <skellat> We're not going to repeat 2013 of OLF being coordinated by a single person
[01:22] <skellat> I lost too much sleep last year
[01:22] <skellat> Being a federal employee also restricts my availability in novel yet bizarre ways too
[01:22] <skellat> From the agenda: "1. Do we wish to engage with OLF at all after they hit us &  Canonical up for money in 2013 due to a budget shortfall on their part?   Will we need to raise funds to ensure our participation this year?  The  Canonical Community Team's Community Budget is neither vast nor  infinite to draw upon. "
[01:23] <skellat> I don't have any new details about OLF's budget.
[01:24] <skellat> They had a sponsor pull out on them last year unexpectedly which created the shortfall.
[01:24] <belkinsa> What is the budgets, OLF and CCTC's?
[01:24] <belkinsa> in numbers.
[01:25] <skellat> Canonical Community Team's budget isn't a figure officially available to me but it really isn't all that much.
[01:25] <belkinsa> Alright, just wondering.
[01:26] <skellat> Assume only tens of thousands
[01:26] <jrgifford> that's still a fair chunk of change.
[01:26] <jrgifford> however, we can't count on that
[01:26] <skellat> Bingo
[01:26] <jrgifford> soo..... my question is "how much do we want to do, if anything"?
[01:27] <skellat> Yeah
[01:27] <skellat> The sponsorship levels cost chart for OLF 2014 is shown here: http://ohiolinux.org/sponsorship
[01:27] <jenni> [ 2014 Sponsorship Opportunities | Ohio LinuxFest 2014 ] - https://j.mp/1rReBvv
[01:27] <skellat> And these are their only known sponsors so far: http://ohiolinux.org/sponsors
[01:27] <jenni> [ Sponsors | Ohio LinuxFest 2014 ] - https://j.mp/1rReFLS
[01:27] <skellat> That is to say, they've got web hosting & e-mail provided for...and that is all!
[01:28] <skellat> I feel confident we can come in at the $100 level for having a table again
[01:29] <jrgifford> yeah, i'm sure we can do that at least
[01:29] <belkinsa> +1
[01:29] <skellat> If they bump us up to $500 for the "Bronze" level then we either need CCT backing or we walk away
[01:29] <jrgifford> however, was ubucon a success or not last year?
[01:29] <skellat> jrgifford: What is your success metric?
[01:30] <jrgifford> skellat:  people came, showed interest
[01:30] <belkinsa> But how much?
[01:30] <jrgifford> i set low standards for "success", because you always need improvement
[01:30] <Darkwing> you have a link for your Ubucon schedule last year?
[01:30] <skellat> I didn't keep a good door count as I had too much stage management to do
[01:31] <Darkwing> We had quite a bit of success from it in California at SCALE when I was there.
[01:31] <jrgifford> Darkwing: SCALE is also a HUGE event
[01:31] <skellat> Darkwing: I'll have to dig it out of the e-mail archives since whatever was on OLF's web site got trashed in a total re-design
[01:31] <Darkwing> jrgifford: Oh trust me, I know.
[01:31]  * skellat notes that the e-mail archive dig might take a few hours
[01:31] <belkinsa> Darkwing, OLF is not really that huge as SCALE.
[01:31] <jrgifford> OLF is tiny compared to SCALE.
[01:31] <jrgifford> so... it's not really a fair comparision
[01:31] <Darkwing> Been to both. I'm in Fort Wayne, IN and I help put together a few SCALES.
[01:32] <jrgifford> i think ubucon for us might be worth passing over
[01:32] <Darkwing> No, but there can tips that might bleed over.
[01:32] <Darkwing> back when I was out ther.
[01:32] <Darkwing> *there
[01:33] <jrgifford> because while i'm sure we can get speakers, we might not be able to get people to come and watch
[01:33] <jrgifford> or we could do a half day of workshops
[01:33] <skellat> jrgifford: That's what I was worried about.  Outside myself and Jon Buckley speaking we couldn't generate a native roster of speakers.  System76 saved us with their people and connections as did Jorge Castro.
[01:33] <Darkwing> I'll do one.
[01:33] <jrgifford> skellat: jorge is almost native. Michigan. ;p
[01:33] <Darkwing> My focus is mostly KDE again.
[01:34] <skellat> jrgifford: Darkwing counts by that measure then
[01:34] <Unit193> Darkwing: \o/
[01:34] <Darkwing> Yes Unit193, I'm back LOL
[01:34] <skellat> Darkwing: I have no problem with that.  I'm part of Xubuntu Team.  Purity in usage of Unity is not required here.
[01:34] <Unit193> IN might as well be sisters with OH, they have the same weather.
[01:35] <Darkwing> Unit193: No kidding.
[01:35] <Unit193> Darkwing: Like the snow? :P
[01:35] <Darkwing> Unit193: It's not San Diego LOL
[01:35] <jrgifford> skellat, Darkwing - i'm more of a server guy lately
[01:35] <Darkwing> So, we have at least K, X and Server covered.
[01:35] <belkinsa> Seems os.
[01:35] <belkinsa> so*
[01:35] <Unit193> If you aren't counting talks, I'm in for X and server.
[01:36] <skellat> Darkwing: Which at our exhibition table was where a lot of our interest was anyhow.
[01:36] <jrgifford> spend my desktop time in microsoft land (ew), and my working end in server.
[01:36] <jrgifford> i could do a talk on the home server
[01:36] <Darkwing> Yeah, I was only there half a day last OLF but, your booth seemed to generate a lot of buzz.
[01:36] <jrgifford> could fill an hour or so with that.
[01:36] <Darkwing> I can toss Touch on my Nexus 7
[01:36] <jrgifford> "Linux for the Home Server, and why we should all have one in our basement"
[01:37] <Darkwing> ++
[01:37] <belkinsa> I was thinking the same is having Touch on one of the Nexuses
[01:37] <belkinsa> jrgifford, +1
[01:37] <jrgifford> by then i could probably have my nexus 4 back up and running
[01:37] <jrgifford> and put it on that
[01:37] <Darkwing> What we did for SCALE Ubucon... Intro to Ubuntu, Flavors and a couple of misc Hot to or why talks.
[01:37] <skellat> Restating the question again: "1. Do we wish to engage with OLF at all after they hit us &  Canonical up for money in 2013 due to a budget shortfall on their part?   Will we need to raise funds to ensure our participation this year?  The  Canonical Community Team's Community Budget is neither vast nor  infinite to draw upon. "  It looks we'll need to pass around the hat to get $100 but we can manage this.
[01:37] <belkinsa> And I have Nexus 7 2013
[01:38] <jrgifford> skellat: yes, we can pass the hat
[01:38] <Darkwing> I rely on Ingress too much to flip my Nexus 4
[01:38] <belkinsa> I agree.  Pass the hat.
[01:38] <Darkwing> I'll toss some $$ in the hat.
[01:38] <skellat> Next on the agenda: "2. Shall we present another UbuCon?  If yes, can we organically generate presentations from within the community this time? "
[01:38] <jrgifford> and if we need more than that, if i'm given a few weeks notice i can probably dig up a "corporate sponsor".
[01:38] <jrgifford> or two.
[01:38] <jrgifford> (to cover the shortfall)
[01:39] <Darkwing> jrgifford: What we did in Cali was sell T-Shirts
[01:39] <jrgifford> Darkwing: oh, i know a screen printer. we might be able to do that...
[01:39] <belkinsa> skellat, I guess we sort of talked about that.
[01:39] <Darkwing> The first year we did that, we took orders, made enough to provide each year after.
[01:39] <skellat> Do we want to shoot for UbuCon **or** submit workshops here: http://ohiolinux.org/content/call-presentations-now-open
[01:39] <jenni> [ Call for Presentations Now Open - UPDATED | Ohio LinuxFest 2014 ] - https://j.mp/1rRh1Ky
[01:40] <belkinsa> jrgifford, but the shirts need to be pre-srunk cotton.
[01:40] <jrgifford> belkinsa: if we want to investigate, i can talk to him
[01:40] <belkinsa> Sure.
[01:40] <skellat> belkinsa, jrgifford: I'm sure we could try Daffy Dan's in downtown Cleveland as they're a good vendor
[01:40] <belkinsa> Sure to that also.
[01:41] <jrgifford> skellat: we can investigate, if we want. sounds like we do, so i'll add that to my list
[01:41] <skellat> Are we going with an UbuCon or workshops or trying both?
[01:41] <jrgifford> dunno. we're kinda wandering in circles around that point.
[01:41] <belkinsa> Yeah, seems so.
[01:41] <skellat> Okay, we're parking that issue to come back to.
[01:41] <skellat> Next agenda item: "3. Shall we have a table in the exhibitors area?  Free tables are  basically gone after last year's proceedings.  Canonical only  distributes discs for the LTS so we'd have to generate our own  distribution copies of 14.10.  Canonical only distributes Ubuntu desktop  & server LTS discs but I am, of course, certainly biased in favor  of having a few copies of Xubuntu available at least. "
[01:42] <skellat> Table cost is $100.
[01:42] <skellat> Media for distribution is whatever we decide we want to do
[01:42] <skellat> People like freebies
[01:42] <jrgifford> ok
[01:42] <jrgifford> so do we want to investigate getting a bunch of ohio loco branded usb keys?
[01:43] <skellat> The only thing given out in 2013 was business cards & a lot of hot air from me evangelizing
[01:43] <belkinsa> Would LIVE USB sticks be an idea?
[01:43] <jrgifford> 1GB/2GB big, then we can put anything on it.
[01:43]  * skellat notes he can occasionally be heard in a pulpit preaching on some Sunday mornings
[01:43] <jrgifford> get a PCI card that does usb 2.0, a couple of extender cables, and then have all the ISOs on hand?
[01:43] <jrgifford> takes about 7 minutes to make a USB key, that is bootable.
[01:44] <jrgifford> using the good ol' dd.
[01:44] <skellat> jrgifford: We don't get power for free
[01:44] <jrgifford> skellat: how much for power?
[01:44] <skellat> Space will be limited
[01:44] <skellat> jrgifford: We'll need to ask
[01:44] <jrgifford> we'd need 2 plugs, or even someones laptop that has usb3 + a hub.
[01:44] <belkinsa> I have a 2.0 hub.
[01:45] <skellat> Space will be verily limited so we would want some collateral ready to hand out during rush periods
[01:45] <jrgifford> true
[01:45] <jrgifford> software wise, piece of cake.
[01:45] <Darkwing> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Promotional-OEM-swivel-usb-business-card_1492323694.html
[01:45] <jenni> [ Promotional Oem Swivel Usb Business Card - Buy Swivel Usb Business Card,Usb Business Card,Oem Swivel Usb Business Card Product on Alibaba.com ] - https://j.mp/1rRhPz2
[01:45] <belkinsa> Maybe have some pre-installed live USB of each favour?
[01:45] <belkinsa> Or that.
[01:45] <skellat> belkinsa: That's the idea
[01:46] <skellat> K,X,G,L,Mainline
[01:46] <skellat> No to Kylin
[01:46] <belkinsa> Mainline = Ubuntu?
[01:46] <skellat> Yes
[01:46] <belkinsa> Okay, just checking.
[01:48] <skellat> Okay, moving forward while keeping Darkwing's idea in mind.
[01:48] <skellat> From the agenda en bloc: "4. Way too early for a head count but we'll need to hope 6+ months notice is enough time for people to plan on coming. 5. Key signing...we're going to do one this time darn it! 6. What else would the community like to do at OLF 2014?  "
[01:49] <skellat> As to 4, we reach out to the community as best we can.
[01:49] <skellat> As to 5, would anybody like to put that forward as a Saturday workshop?
[01:49] <jrgifford> 4. yeah, true. 5. yes, please! 6. dunno. group photo? swap stories?
[01:49] <jrgifford> skellat: i'd be interested in doing that
[01:49] <jrgifford> (the key signing)
[01:50] <belkinsa> 4. I will come 5. sure, if not super early, 6.DOn't too.
[01:50] <belkinsa> Don't know*
[01:50] <belkinsa> super early= before 8 AM
[01:50] <skellat> jrgifford: Your mission will then be to navigate this and get it cleared by OLF as a scheduled session: http://ohiolinux.org/CFP
[01:50] <jenni> [ Call for Presentations | Ohio LinuxFest 2014 ] - https://j.mp/1rRiDnD
[01:51] <skellat> Okay
[01:51] <skellat> Unit193, any input oh hiding one?
[01:51] <Unit193> Nope.
[01:51] <skellat> Good enough.
[01:51] <skellat> Returning to the parking lot to pick up a stalled issue: "2. Shall we present another UbuCon?  If yes, can we organically generate presentations from within the community this time? "
[01:52] <jrgifford> i think the consensus is that we could probably organically do workshops
[01:52] <skellat> As to the UbuCon?
[01:52] <skellat> Let it lay or make the attempt?
[01:52]  * belkinsa nods to jrgifford 
[01:53] <jrgifford> we've got at least one idea, perhaps another one on how to anonymize yourself on the internet could be appropriate.
[01:53] <jrgifford> skellat: for the ubucon
[01:53] <skellat> Okay
[01:53] <jrgifford> we could make an attempt, but it'd be a afternoon of workshops if we did it
[01:53] <jrgifford> i think Unit193 would be perfect to lead the anonymize yourself talk
[01:53] <skellat> Yes, yes indeed.
[01:53] <skellat> :-)
[01:53] <Unit193> >_>
[01:53] <jrgifford> lol ;p
[01:53] <belkinsa> lol
[01:54] <skellat> Okay
[01:54] <skellat> It sounds like we are in a good position
[01:54] <belkinsa> Seems so.
[01:55] <skellat> belkinsa: Could you please do a write-up on the meeting to post to your blog?
[01:55] <jrgifford> and we've got enough time that assuming the OLF folks don't need it finalized tomorrow, we could get enough people
[01:55] <belkinsa> skellat, sure.  On it but tomorrow.
[01:55] <skellat> jrgifford: They changed their minds on deadline thankfully so it isn't in 3 weeks now
[01:55] <skellat> Like it was as of yesterday
[01:55] <Unit193> How many talks are needed?
[01:55] <jrgifford> skellat: would they need the ubucon lineup finalized?
[01:56] <skellat> jrgifford: Not initially
[01:56] <jrgifford> like, i know confs in august that aren't going to have anything finalized until like, first of june at the earliest.
[01:56] <skellat> 60-90 days beforehand most likely
[01:56] <jrgifford> the CFP ends last week of may.
[01:56] <jrgifford> hoping to announce first of june, but even they admit it'll probably be mid june, if not july. :P
[01:57] <skellat> Yeah
[01:57] <skellat> Unit193: As to talks, 4-7 would be needed, depending on length
[01:57] <jrgifford> ok, so we have a little time to grow the talks from the community
[01:57] <jrgifford> fantastic
[01:58] <skellat> I had to do backup on one talk that went way too short and basically do stand-up improv
[01:58] <jrgifford> stand-up improv is always fun, but rarely productive.
[01:59] <skellat> When you need to not lose your audience before the next session and have to fill 40 minutes, you do what you must
[01:59] <Unit193> Well presuming the people that said they know the subject, you have 3 just from this meeting.  (KDE, Server, and Xfce.)
[01:59] <jrgifford> i know a canonical cloud guy in pittsburgh who might be interested
[01:59] <jrgifford> so we can reach out to people
[02:00] <jrgifford> we've got a little time to get it figured out
[02:00] <belkinsa> +1 for reaching out
[02:00] <skellat> The newly elected Colorado leader will likely be willing to make a repeat visit
[02:00] <jenni> oh baby
[02:00]  * skellat **SMACKS** jenni
[02:00] <skellat> Okay
[02:00] <skellat> Thank you belkinsa unit193 jrgifford for all that you do
[02:00] <Darkwing> We might be able to get someone to do an overview of Ubuntu...
[02:00] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[02:01] <jrgifford> Darkwing: "Hello, and welcome to the whirlwind tour of the community, software, and squabbles."
[02:01] <Darkwing> LOL
[02:01] <Unit193> COolorado?
[02:01] <Darkwing> I'm a Kubuntu guy... Used to it.
[02:01] <jrgifford> "Disclaimer: I will offend a third, delight a third, and make 3 quarters of you very uncomfortable and happy with yourselves"
[02:01] <jrgifford> *next slide*
[02:01] <jrgifford> "And yes, I can math. 10."
[02:02] <jrgifford> *next slide* "Unity: Then, now, and gaming engines?"
[02:02] <jrgifford> ;p
[02:02] <belkinsa> lol
[02:02] <Darkwing> LOL
[02:02] <jrgifford> i couldn't do that with a straight face.
[02:03] <Darkwing> Open discussion... Mir vs Wayland. I'll go get some coffee.
[02:03] <skellat> Unit193: Yes, Emma Marshall of System76.  You do remember System76 is based in Colorado, right?
[02:03] <Unit193> Ah, that's who.
[02:03] <skellat> Okay
[02:03] <Unit193> Darkwing: Ahaha!
[02:03] <jrgifford> Darkwing: come back in a decade and we'll have a winner that is just as bad as X11.
[02:03] <Unit193> Nice.
[02:03] <belkinsa> skellat, end meeting?
[02:03]  * Unit193 played with Wayland just this week.
[02:03] <skellat> It sounds like we're done.  I need somebody to help belkinsa get her blog listed on planet.u.c
[02:04] <jrgifford> belkinsa: poke me tomorrow
[02:04] <skellat> belkinsa, please do a write-up as you see fit
[02:04] <jrgifford> i don't have anything tomorrow afternoon
[02:04] <jrgifford> so i can help with that
[02:04] <belkinsa> Sure tthing.
[02:04] <belkinsa> After 5, jrgifford?
[02:04] <jrgifford> sure
[02:04] <belkinsa> 5 PM*
[02:04] <belkinsa> Cool.
[02:04] <skellat> Chatter at work remains a furlough is likely any time after D-day on April 15th.  I'll get 5 days notice if I get furloughed.  Once that happens, I'll have a ton of time available for community affairs again.
[02:05] <skellat> So, goodnight belkinsa
[02:05] <skellat> Goodnight jrgifford
[02:05] <skellat> Goodnight Unit193
[02:05] <Unit193> G'night.
[02:05] <skellat> Goodnight Darkwing
[02:05] <belkinsa> Night all.  Thanks for the meeting.
[02:05] <jrgifford> Night skellat. Hang in there!
[02:05] <jrgifford> Thanks for coming all.
[02:05]  * skellat disappears
[02:05] <Darkwing> Night skellat
[02:05] <belkinsa> Indeed, hang in there.
[02:06] <jenni> oh baby
[02:06]  * Darkwing raises an eye to jenni
[02:06]  * jrgifford frowns at jenni
[02:07] <Unit193> Speaking of KDE, I haven't checked out 14.04 yet...
[02:07] <jrgifford> I should. I think my next non-windows back will be KDE.
[02:07] <jrgifford> Which will actually be my work desktop, hopefully.
[02:07] <jrgifford> *box, not back.
[02:08] <Unit193> I know what I like, and KDE isn't really it, but I don't exactly dislike KDE.
[02:08]  * Unit193 frowns at the download speed.
[02:09] <Unit193> Used to have a couple KDE people here.
[02:09] <Darkwing> I should pop 14.04 in a VM
[02:09] <Darkwing> I've been doing more python and web devel lately.
[02:10] <Darkwing> I am just getting back into the swing of FOSS again.
[02:10] <Darkwing> However, I am starting to miss parts of Unity.
[02:11] <Unit193> Unity I have no interest at all in, so won't be seeing 14.04 of that.
[02:11] <jrgifford> I use windows, I miss parts of unity. I go to Unity on my Netbook, I miss parts of windows workflow.
[02:11] <jrgifford> Unity comes close to my style. So does the windows keyboard shortcut system. But both miss enough that I'm unhappy.
[02:11] <jrgifford> :(
[02:11] <Unit193> Mmmm, couple windows things are slightly handy, yep.  I tend to miss more Xfce on Windows than the reverse, though.
[02:12] <jrgifford> It's equal for me.
[02:12] <jrgifford> One common thing is the ability to tile windows easily.
[02:13] <jrgifford> I need to do that (all my monitors), but nothing cuts it short of an actual tiling WM. Which I can't stand for other reasons.
[02:13] <Darkwing> I keep finding myself coming back to Kubuntu
[02:13] <Darkwing> *shrugs*
[02:13] <Darkwing> I managed 4 months off of KDE.
[02:15] <Unit193> And the swing of FOSS, can't say I'm technically ever fully there. :/
[02:16] <Darkwing> Well, I was back when I was doing a lot with Kubuntu, council and such.
[02:17] <Darkwing> But, I took a long vaca from that sort of thing.
[02:17] <Unit193> I'm quite involved with Xubuntu, but logs, bugs, mailing lists (well, sending to them), and the FSF really irk me.
[02:17] <Unit193> s/logs/public logs/
[02:17] <jenni> Unit193 meant to say: I'm quite involved with Xubuntu, but public logs, bugs, mailing lists (well, sending to them), and the FSF really irk me.
[02:19] <jrgifford> Hmm. Favorite OS just came to me.
[02:19] <jrgifford> Basically, boot to VM.
[02:19] <Darkwing> I got irked witht eh Mir vs Wayland war... (still am)
[02:20] <Unit193> I still think mir is more of a fad, a thing of the present, not the future.
[02:20] <jrgifford> Or more accurately, a hypervisor that makes each VM boot onto a different TTY. then I can switch at will. :p /end tangent
[02:20] <jrgifford> Mir is odd.
[02:20] <jrgifford> Dunno what to think yet.
[02:20] <Unit193> Hah. :P
[02:21] <jrgifford> I would pay for a license for that. Does that exist? Someone please tell me that exists. :p
[02:21] <Unit193> Darkwing: Is there much out there in terms of LoCos?
[02:22] <Darkwing> Unit193: Not in IN.
[02:22] <Unit193> Meh, family out there.
[02:22] <Darkwing> Not really a functional LUG in Fort Wayne either.
[02:23] <Unit193> Seems there's a functional one in Akron at least.
[02:23] <Darkwing> Was going to try something but, while my desktop is Kubuntu, my laptop is now a chromebook.
[02:26] <Darkwing> Plus, anymore, the wife and I spend most of our time in Ingress lol
[21:57] <belkinsa> jrgifford, ready?