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bluesabreNoskcaj: how are things?02:27
bluesabrewant to exercise your new ubuntu-upload rights?02:28
bluesabrehttp://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-parole-0-6-1-released-td43661.html02:28
Noskcajpretty good02:28
bluesabregood to hear :)02:28
NoskcajAnd yeah, i saw. I'll prepare the upload in debian first, but i'll have it straight to ubuntu02:28
bluesabrefantastic02:29
bluesabrethanks alot :D02:29
NoskcajI still don't know how to upload stuff to ubuntu though02:30
Noskcajmicahg, ^02:30
bluesabreah02:30
bluesabre:)02:30
bluesabreI might need a primer from you on uploading packages to debian via PAPT02:30
bluesabreneed to upgrade catfish to use python302:30
Noskcajtarget the package to "unstable", then add it to the RFS in the irc channel02:31
bluesabreI need to do something with svn, right?02:32
NoskcajYeah, all the code is in svn02:33
Noskcajsvn co svn+ssh://USERNAME@svn.debian.org/svn/python-apps/ should work02:35
bluesabrecool, thanks :)02:41
jhenkegood morning06:58
NoskcajWhy isn't abiword the default to open .docx files?07:51
bluesabregreetings everyone11:10
bluesabre:)11:10
* bluesabre just sent an updated catfish package to debian via PAPT.11:17
starratsgood morning everyone11:19
bluesabregood morning starrats11:20
starratsNo questions today, I promise, lol.  But really enjoying this final Beta, looking forward to gthe release.  Again I say thank you to the ones that have made this build so awesome.11:27
JustanickIs it useful to test the daily build for Xubuntu 14.4? Using at the moment Xubuntu 12.4.13:52
JustanickIs the daily build feature complete?15:01
pleia2Justanick: testing daily images is always useful :)17:04
* elfy has no idea of the backlog - but completely agrees :)17:04
JustanickShould the upgrade function from 12.04 to 14.04 work for xubuntu?17:05
JustanickLTS to LTS17:06
* elfy will get link - 64 or 32 bit Justanick ?17:06
Justanick64Bit17:06
elfyhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds/65285/testcases/1635/results17:07
elfyor http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds/65285/testcases/1636/results17:07
elfydepending on whether you want to use upgrade manager or can use an image17:07
jhenkeguys, yesterday I tried beta2 the first time, I assume the problem of wrong keyboard layout used and the wrong background images both in the installer and post install are knonw already?17:09
elfyyep 17:10
JustanickI think I will use the updater and not the image one. I'm on a xfce ppa for version 4.10. Any risks?17:10
elfynot sure tbh - it will disable the ppa I think though17:10
Unit193Yes it will.17:10
elfythought so - I tend to wander off from those upgrades and go do something else17:11
elfyjhenke: bug 1297170 and bug 128463517:11
ubottubug 1297170 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Live Session starts with XFCE wallpaper/install uses same" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129717017:11
ubottubug 1284635 in ibus (Ubuntu Trusty) "Keyboard layout changes after login" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128463517:11
jhenkethanks for the pointer17:11
elfyjhenke: as a matter of curiosity - what keyboard layout did you expect ?17:12
jhenkede_DEnodeadkeys17:12
jhenkeset during installation17:13
elfyy6ep17:13
brainwashyeah :D17:13
elfybrainwash: got a patch for that delete issue of mine - but I've no idea how to actually use it :)17:14
brainwashelfy: currently building a package which includes the patch17:15
brainwashhttps://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test17:15
jhenkeI also think it is an ibus problem, in fact I would expect ibus to be absolutely passivbe, as german does not need it normally17:15
brainwashit is ibus17:15
brainwashwhich somehow is not able to query the correct layout17:16
brainwashso it falls back to en_US17:16
jhenkewhich is very confusing if you want to use the terminal and being used to no us keyboards ^^17:16
elfybrainwash: so how do I patch it? sudo patch < foo.patch ?17:16
brainwashno need for sudo17:17
brainwashyou want to patch the git version?17:17
elfynope - whatever I've got here I guess17:17
elfyok - now it wants to know what file to patch - xfdeskop4 ?17:18
brainwashmmh17:19
brainwashdid you download the source files?17:19
elfyxfdesktop I mean17:19
elfyno 17:19
elfythis is just going to get too voodooy for me ;)17:20
brainwashyou can test the package from my ppa17:21
elfybrb17:23
elfybrainwash: did that ppa desktop of yours also have something in it to stop the screen artifacts after login with a nouveau card?17:26
elfyand that also seems to have done the job for deleting :)17:26
elfycommented on the bug at bugzilla17:28
brainwashelfy: no, I just added the delete patch17:28
elfymmm 17:28
elfymust be coincidental then17:29
brainwashare the artifacts always visible after login?17:29
elfyyea - for ~10-15 seconds17:30
elfysame as the screenshot I added to my bug on it 17:30
brainwashmmh, one relog can't tell for sure17:31
elfyindeed not :)17:32
elfyhttps://launchpadlibrarian.net/162094730/CAM00034.jpg17:32
elfythat stuff - but not at the greeter window now obviously17:33
brainwashand deleting 1 file is enough to confirm that the patch works?17:34
elfybrainwash: it is on what I've seen17:35
brainwashok :)17:35
elfyfirst delete from desktop on a new session = oh my lord - what is this !!! - so yea - it worked as it did before whatever happened 17:36
elfywithout fail, a new session was an issue17:36
brainwashmaybe we could already add the patch to our patch collection for the next xfdesktop4 bug fix release17:37
elfyI'd guess that would be useful - the only thing is I've not been able to actually replicate this at all anywhere else, neither has anyone else17:38
elfyit is JUST this particular install 17:38
brainwashhttps://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfdesktop4/git-patches17:38
brainwashmmh, right17:39
elfyso ... 17:39
brainwashbut if it gets committed upstream, we could simply pick it17:40
brainwashand close your bug report17:41
brainwash:)17:41
elfyseems it has :p "Thanks for testing it, pushed to master in:..."17:41
eric_the_idiotyup, thanks for the quick feedback :)17:42
elfyohhh 17:43
brainwasheric_the_idiot: awesome! that was a quick fix17:43
elfyso you are that eric :) hi eric_the_idiot :D17:43
* elfy feels slightly ridiculous ... 17:43
eric_the_idiotyup, I'm that idiot, hi17:43
elfybut blames other people for not telling him who's here from xfce :D17:44
brainwasheric_the_idiot: do you follow the "wrong wallpaper" lp report?17:44
eric_the_idiotwrong wallpaper?17:44
brainwashbug 129717017:45
ubottubug 1297170 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Live Session starts with XFCE wallpaper/install uses same" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129717017:45
eric_the_idiotoh no, haven't seen that before17:46
brainwashI saw that there is code to migrate the wallpaper settings from 4.10 to 4.11, but we've changed our xuubntu-specifc xfce4-desktop.xml to the 4.11 layout17:46
brainwashbut we use the generic monitor name "monitor0"17:47
brainwashbut in most cases a monitor name like "monitor-HDMIblala" is used17:48
eric_the_idiotdo you have a link to this default setting file?17:49
brainwashhttp://lpaste.net/10202317:49
brainwashso it ignores the monitor0 entry and creates a new one (monitor-name) and uses the default wallpaper17:50
eric_the_idiothmm, well it should check if monitor-HDMIblah exists (which it shouldn't)17:52
eric_the_idiotthen it looks for "%smonitor%d/image-path"17:52
eric_the_idiotthen finally DEFAULT_BACKDROP17:53
eric_the_idiotnow I wonder if xfdesktop-settings does the same, hope so :)17:53
brainwashis our default .xml file to blame?17:53
eric_the_idiotyeah don't try to guess the workspace/monitor just use monitor0/image-path17:54
eric_the_idiotand monitor1/image-path17:55
eric_the_idiotand that should migrate and xfdesktop will set it on first run17:55
brainwashyes, but then we are back to our original problem17:55
brainwashxfdesktop-settings showing an empty folder initially17:56
brainwashwhen the user tries to change the wallpaper17:57
brainwashI think17:57
eric_the_idiotthat was caused by a bug in xfdesktop17:57
brainwashoh, we can use the 4.10 layout again?17:57
eric_the_idiotyeah17:57
brainwashok, thanks :)17:57
brainwashI'll test it17:57
brainwashone issue remains then, xfdesktop not showing network shares17:58
eric_the_idiotok, that other bug was only triggered when plug names weren't available (i.e. in vmware without the guest additions)17:58
brainwashtried nfs shares, no luck17:58
brainwashsamba shares do not show up either according to another tester17:59
eric_the_idiotyeah, that one might be more work17:59
brainwashgigolo and thunar do show them17:59
eric_the_idiotI'll probably have to switch from using GVolume to GMount to get everything to show18:00
eric_the_idiotsince GIO is really random about what's a volume18:00
brainwashmaybe I can get it working (doubt that)18:01
brainwashreading the code of thunar and xfdektop takes some time :D18:02
lderanelfy, how does this look to you http://paste.ubuntu.com/7180704/ ?18:02
elfylderan: looks ok - except helpfully :) - maybe add a bit about help with bzr being available if people need it 18:08
elfytell me when you've sent it and I will copy it to the LP testers team as well18:09
lderanelfy, okay :)18:10
elfylderan: thanks :)18:10
lderanno problem at all :)18:12
lderanelfy, it is done19:09
lderanaccidentally spilled a drink on my desk. had to clean it up :P19:09
elfythanks - -testers getting it now19:18
jhenkedoes anybody know if somebody with the nessesary experience is already looking into the ibus bug?19:24
elfyyep - someone is looking at it 19:25
jhenkeelfy thanks19:25
elfyit's being looked at by canonical desktop team 19:27
jhenkegreat, I just wonder how that regression was able to get into the normal archive in the first place, somebody should have seen that earlier...19:28
elfyindeed 19:29
elfyjhenke: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/03/27/%23ubuntu-release.html#t08:3219:31
brainwashxubuntu.. we just ship it :)19:32
jhenkeit would be nice if people would be more cautious with such fundemental packages like ibus in general...19:34
jhenkehow nice would be a perfect world19:34
jhenkeinteresting to read the irc converstation, I really hope that is fixed soon, because at least for me that is a (subjectivily) very high impact bug, even more proably for people not understanding linux at alll19:43
brainwashwe are aware of this, but we only install ibus by default, we don't actually integrate it19:54
brainwashif it cannot be fixed in time.. well, we can purge it :D19:55
brainwasheric_the_idiot: strange, I've reverted the xfce-desktop.xml change and it still falls back to the default Xfce wallpaper19:56
jhenkebrainwash I am fully aware that packets like ibus are not the responsibility of the xubuntu team, it should just work and if not the ubuntu guys have to make it work19:57
jhenkegood night folks20:37
elfygoodnight jhenke 20:39

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