[02:27] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: how are things?
[02:28] <bluesabre> want to exercise your new ubuntu-upload rights?
[02:28] <bluesabre> http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-parole-0-6-1-released-td43661.html
[02:28] <Noskcaj> pretty good
[02:28] <bluesabre> good to hear :)
[02:28] <Noskcaj> And yeah, i saw. I'll prepare the upload in debian first, but i'll have it straight to ubuntu
[02:29] <bluesabre> fantastic
[02:29] <bluesabre> thanks alot :D
[02:30] <Noskcaj> I still don't know how to upload stuff to ubuntu though
[02:30] <Noskcaj> micahg, ^
[02:30] <bluesabre> ah
[02:30] <bluesabre> :)
[02:30] <bluesabre> I might need a primer from you on uploading packages to debian via PAPT
[02:30] <bluesabre> need to upgrade catfish to use python3
[02:31] <Noskcaj> target the package to "unstable", then add it to the RFS in the irc channel
[02:32] <bluesabre> I need to do something with svn, right?
[02:33] <Noskcaj> Yeah, all the code is in svn
[02:35] <Noskcaj> svn co svn+ssh://USERNAME@svn.debian.org/svn/python-apps/ should work
[02:41] <bluesabre> cool, thanks :)
[06:58] <jhenke> good morning
[07:51] <Noskcaj> Why isn't abiword the default to open .docx files?
[11:10] <bluesabre> greetings everyone
[11:10] <bluesabre> :)
[11:17]  * bluesabre just sent an updated catfish package to debian via PAPT.
[11:19] <starrats> good morning everyone
[11:20] <bluesabre> good morning starrats
[11:27] <starrats> No questions today, I promise, lol.  But really enjoying this final Beta, looking forward to gthe release.  Again I say thank you to the ones that have made this build so awesome.
[13:52] <Justanick> Is it useful to test the daily build for Xubuntu 14.4? Using at the moment Xubuntu 12.4.
[15:01] <Justanick> Is the daily build feature complete?
[17:04] <pleia2> Justanick: testing daily images is always useful :)
[17:04]  * elfy has no idea of the backlog - but completely agrees :)
[17:05] <Justanick> Should the upgrade function from 12.04 to 14.04 work for xubuntu?
[17:06] <Justanick> LTS to LTS
[17:06]  * elfy will get link - 64 or 32 bit Justanick ?
[17:06] <Justanick> 64Bit
[17:07] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds/65285/testcases/1635/results
[17:07] <elfy> or http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds/65285/testcases/1636/results
[17:07] <elfy> depending on whether you want to use upgrade manager or can use an image
[17:09] <jhenke> guys, yesterday I tried beta2 the first time, I assume the problem of wrong keyboard layout used and the wrong background images both in the installer and post install are knonw already?
[17:10] <elfy> yep 
[17:10] <Justanick> I think I will use the updater and not the image one. I'm on a xfce ppa for version 4.10. Any risks?
[17:10] <elfy> not sure tbh - it will disable the ppa I think though
[17:10] <Unit193> Yes it will.
[17:11] <elfy> thought so - I tend to wander off from those upgrades and go do something else
[17:11] <elfy> jhenke: bug 1297170 and bug 1284635
[17:11] <ubottu> bug 1297170 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Live Session starts with XFCE wallpaper/install uses same" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297170
[17:11] <ubottu> bug 1284635 in ibus (Ubuntu Trusty) "Keyboard layout changes after login" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1284635
[17:11] <jhenke> thanks for the pointer
[17:12] <elfy> jhenke: as a matter of curiosity - what keyboard layout did you expect ?
[17:12] <jhenke> de_DEnodeadkeys
[17:13] <jhenke> set during installation
[17:13] <elfy> y6ep
[17:13] <brainwash> yeah :D
[17:14] <elfy> brainwash: got a patch for that delete issue of mine - but I've no idea how to actually use it :)
[17:15] <brainwash> elfy: currently building a package which includes the patch
[17:15] <brainwash> https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test
[17:15] <jhenke> I also think it is an ibus problem, in fact I would expect ibus to be absolutely passivbe, as german does not need it normally
[17:15] <brainwash> it is ibus
[17:16] <brainwash> which somehow is not able to query the correct layout
[17:16] <brainwash> so it falls back to en_US
[17:16] <jhenke> which is very confusing if you want to use the terminal and being used to no us keyboards ^^
[17:16] <elfy> brainwash: so how do I patch it? sudo patch < foo.patch ?
[17:17] <brainwash> no need for sudo
[17:17] <brainwash> you want to patch the git version?
[17:17] <elfy> nope - whatever I've got here I guess
[17:18] <elfy> ok - now it wants to know what file to patch - xfdeskop4 ?
[17:19] <brainwash> mmh
[17:19] <brainwash> did you download the source files?
[17:19] <elfy> xfdesktop I mean
[17:19] <elfy> no 
[17:20] <elfy> this is just going to get too voodooy for me ;)
[17:21] <brainwash> you can test the package from my ppa
[17:23] <elfy> brb
[17:26] <elfy> brainwash: did that ppa desktop of yours also have something in it to stop the screen artifacts after login with a nouveau card?
[17:26] <elfy> and that also seems to have done the job for deleting :)
[17:28] <elfy> commented on the bug at bugzilla
[17:28] <brainwash> elfy: no, I just added the delete patch
[17:28] <elfy> mmm 
[17:29] <elfy> must be coincidental then
[17:29] <brainwash> are the artifacts always visible after login?
[17:30] <elfy> yea - for ~10-15 seconds
[17:30] <elfy> same as the screenshot I added to my bug on it 
[17:31] <brainwash> mmh, one relog can't tell for sure
[17:32] <elfy> indeed not :)
[17:32] <elfy> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/162094730/CAM00034.jpg
[17:33] <elfy> that stuff - but not at the greeter window now obviously
[17:34] <brainwash> and deleting 1 file is enough to confirm that the patch works?
[17:35] <elfy> brainwash: it is on what I've seen
[17:35] <brainwash> ok :)
[17:36] <elfy> first delete from desktop on a new session = oh my lord - what is this !!! - so yea - it worked as it did before whatever happened 
[17:36] <elfy> without fail, a new session was an issue
[17:37] <brainwash> maybe we could already add the patch to our patch collection for the next xfdesktop4 bug fix release
[17:38] <elfy> I'd guess that would be useful - the only thing is I've not been able to actually replicate this at all anywhere else, neither has anyone else
[17:38] <elfy> it is JUST this particular install 
[17:38] <brainwash> https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfdesktop4/git-patches
[17:39] <brainwash> mmh, right
[17:39] <elfy> so ... 
[17:40] <brainwash> but if it gets committed upstream, we could simply pick it
[17:41] <brainwash> and close your bug report
[17:41] <brainwash> :)
[17:41] <elfy> seems it has :p "Thanks for testing it, pushed to master in:..."
[17:42] <eric_the_idiot> yup, thanks for the quick feedback :)
[17:43] <elfy> ohhh 
[17:43] <brainwash> eric_the_idiot: awesome! that was a quick fix
[17:43] <elfy> so you are that eric :) hi eric_the_idiot :D
[17:43]  * elfy feels slightly ridiculous ... 
[17:43] <eric_the_idiot> yup, I'm that idiot, hi
[17:44] <elfy> but blames other people for not telling him who's here from xfce :D
[17:44] <brainwash> eric_the_idiot: do you follow the "wrong wallpaper" lp report?
[17:44] <eric_the_idiot> wrong wallpaper?
[17:45] <brainwash> bug 1297170
[17:45] <ubottu> bug 1297170 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Live Session starts with XFCE wallpaper/install uses same" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297170
[17:46] <eric_the_idiot> oh no, haven't seen that before
[17:46] <brainwash> I saw that there is code to migrate the wallpaper settings from 4.10 to 4.11, but we've changed our xuubntu-specifc xfce4-desktop.xml to the 4.11 layout
[17:47] <brainwash> but we use the generic monitor name "monitor0"
[17:48] <brainwash> but in most cases a monitor name like "monitor-HDMIblala" is used
[17:49] <eric_the_idiot> do you have a link to this default setting file?
[17:49] <brainwash> http://lpaste.net/102023
[17:50] <brainwash> so it ignores the monitor0 entry and creates a new one (monitor-name) and uses the default wallpaper
[17:52] <eric_the_idiot> hmm, well it should check if monitor-HDMIblah exists (which it shouldn't)
[17:52] <eric_the_idiot> then it looks for "%smonitor%d/image-path"
[17:53] <eric_the_idiot> then finally DEFAULT_BACKDROP
[17:53] <eric_the_idiot> now I wonder if xfdesktop-settings does the same, hope so :)
[17:53] <brainwash> is our default .xml file to blame?
[17:54] <eric_the_idiot> yeah don't try to guess the workspace/monitor just use monitor0/image-path
[17:55] <eric_the_idiot> and monitor1/image-path
[17:55] <eric_the_idiot> and that should migrate and xfdesktop will set it on first run
[17:55] <brainwash> yes, but then we are back to our original problem
[17:56] <brainwash> xfdesktop-settings showing an empty folder initially
[17:57] <brainwash> when the user tries to change the wallpaper
[17:57] <brainwash> I think
[17:57] <eric_the_idiot> that was caused by a bug in xfdesktop
[17:57] <brainwash> oh, we can use the 4.10 layout again?
[17:57] <eric_the_idiot> yeah
[17:57] <brainwash> ok, thanks :)
[17:57] <brainwash> I'll test it
[17:58] <brainwash> one issue remains then, xfdesktop not showing network shares
[17:58] <eric_the_idiot> ok, that other bug was only triggered when plug names weren't available (i.e. in vmware without the guest additions)
[17:58] <brainwash> tried nfs shares, no luck
[17:59] <brainwash> samba shares do not show up either according to another tester
[17:59] <eric_the_idiot> yeah, that one might be more work
[17:59] <brainwash> gigolo and thunar do show them
[18:00] <eric_the_idiot> I'll probably have to switch from using GVolume to GMount to get everything to show
[18:00] <eric_the_idiot> since GIO is really random about what's a volume
[18:01] <brainwash> maybe I can get it working (doubt that)
[18:02] <brainwash> reading the code of thunar and xfdektop takes some time :D
[18:02] <lderan> elfy, how does this look to you http://paste.ubuntu.com/7180704/ ?
[18:08] <elfy> lderan: looks ok - except helpfully :) - maybe add a bit about help with bzr being available if people need it 
[18:09] <elfy> tell me when you've sent it and I will copy it to the LP testers team as well
[18:10] <lderan> elfy, okay :)
[18:10] <elfy> lderan: thanks :)
[18:12] <lderan> no problem at all :)
[19:09] <lderan> elfy, it is done
[19:09] <lderan> accidentally spilled a drink on my desk. had to clean it up :P
[19:18] <elfy> thanks - -testers getting it now
[19:24] <jhenke> does anybody know if somebody with the nessesary experience is already looking into the ibus bug?
[19:25] <elfy> yep - someone is looking at it 
[19:25] <jhenke> elfy thanks
[19:27] <elfy> it's being looked at by canonical desktop team 
[19:28] <jhenke> great, I just wonder how that regression was able to get into the normal archive in the first place, somebody should have seen that earlier...
[19:29] <elfy> indeed 
[19:31] <elfy> jhenke: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/03/27/%23ubuntu-release.html#t08:32
[19:32] <brainwash> xubuntu.. we just ship it :)
[19:34] <jhenke> it would be nice if people would be more cautious with such fundemental packages like ibus in general...
[19:34] <jhenke> how nice would be a perfect world
[19:43] <jhenke> interesting to read the irc converstation, I really hope that is fixed soon, because at least for me that is a (subjectivily) very high impact bug, even more proably for people not understanding linux at alll
[19:54] <brainwash> we are aware of this, but we only install ibus by default, we don't actually integrate it
[19:55] <brainwash> if it cannot be fixed in time.. well, we can purge it :D
[19:56] <brainwash> eric_the_idiot: strange, I've reverted the xfce-desktop.xml change and it still falls back to the default Xfce wallpaper
[19:57] <jhenke> brainwash I am fully aware that packets like ibus are not the responsibility of the xubuntu team, it should just work and if not the ubuntu guys have to make it work
[20:37] <jhenke> good night folks
[20:39] <elfy> goodnight jhenke