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| Laney | hullo! | 08:05 |
| seb128 | hey Laney | 08:05 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 08:05 |
| seb128 | Laney, had a good w.e? | 08:05 |
| Laney | seb128: yeah, was nice thank you - we had nice weather so bike rides and beer in the sun | 08:06 |
| Laney | you? | 08:06 |
| seb128 | nice! | 08:06 |
| seb128 | saturday was nice and sunny here, I mostly enjoyed the weather and played some tennis outside | 08:07 |
| seb128 | yesterday was less nice weather wise and I didn't do anything special (washed the car, watched election results on tv, ...) | 08:08 |
| didrocks | Laney: as you can see, the second part was "pizza and beers" I guess ^ :) | 08:09 |
| Laney | Election result drinking games, sounds like fun ;-) | 08:09 |
| seb128 | lol | 08:09 |
| didrocks | "everytime one side will tell the other is totally wrong, you have to drink" :p | 08:10 |
| seb128 | nor far from that indeed ;-) | 08:10 |
| didrocks | heh | 08:10 |
| * seb128 googles and find http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/may/04/cities-vote-against-elected-mayors | 08:10 | |
| seb128 | Laney, how are mayors selected in the u.k if it's not through elections? | 08:11 |
| Laney | most places don't have them | 08:11 |
| seb128 | how are the town handled? | 08:11 |
| Laney | by an elected council | 08:11 |
| seb128 | oh ok | 08:12 |
| Laney | which has a leader selected from the councillors | 08:12 |
| seb128 | k | 08:12 |
| seb128 | sounds like a mayor of some sort, just without the title | 08:12 |
| Laney | those votes were offering the cities to replace the leader of the council with a mayor | 08:12 |
| Laney | who was directly elected | 08:12 |
| seb128 | that's what we have ;-) | 08:13 |
| seb128 | seems like you guys didn't like that though? | 08:13 |
| Laney | quite a lot of politicians argued against them at the time | 08:14 |
| Laney | from what I remember the main arguments were costs and tension between the council and the mayor leading to political problems | 08:16 |
| seb128 | I guess our system is a bit in between | 08:16 |
| seb128 | we have different lists of councillors, the first name on the list is elected mayor if the list wins | 08:17 |
| Laney | but some places do have them already, as councils have the power to decide to switch to a system with a mayor if they want | 08:17 |
| seb128 | so you vote for a list | 08:17 |
| Laney | these votes were to override the councils that didnt want to do that | 08:17 |
| Laney | ah, yeah, we don't have that | 08:17 |
| Laney | you vote for the people standing in your local area | 08:17 |
| seb128 | maybe I misuse "councillors"/"concil" there | 08:18 |
| Laney | they are the elected people | 08:18 |
| seb128 | typically e.g in my town they have 30 seats to the town council | 08:18 |
| seb128 | and we have 2 "lists" of local people with 30 names on each | 08:19 |
| seb128 | so we voted for them | 08:19 |
| seb128 | one won with a score of 78% | 08:19 |
| seb128 | so the leader of that list becomes mayor to start | 08:19 |
| seb128 | then the council is made from the lists, 50% of the seats are allocated to the winning list to start | 08:20 |
| Laney | that's interesting | 08:20 |
| seb128 | then they dispatch the other 50% to all the list in proportion to the score | 08:20 |
| Laney | are the lists all people from the same party? | 08:20 |
| seb128 | which means the winning list got 50%+78%*remaining seats | 08:20 |
| seb128 | depends of where you live | 08:21 |
| seb128 | small villages/towns don't always affiliate a list to a party | 08:21 |
| Laney | so you guarantee to have one group of people with a majority | 08:21 |
| seb128 | in big cities yes, they are usually representing one of the parties | 08:21 |
| seb128 | yes | 08:21 |
| Laney | here you can have 'no overall control' | 08:21 |
| Laney | if the votes in each area go that way | 08:21 |
| seb128 | they do | 08:21 |
| seb128 | how is the no overall control working? | 08:22 |
| seb128 | they force the other parties in places even if that's not what people want? | 08:22 |
| Laney | it means that nobody has a majority of the seats | 08:22 |
| Laney | so they have to make a local coalition or a minority administration which has to work things out on a case-by-case basis | 08:23 |
| seb128 | I see | 08:24 |
| seb128 | funny to see how things are different between countries ;-) | 08:24 |
| Laney | also people like to use the local elections as a protest against the national government | 08:26 |
| seb128 | same here | 08:26 |
| Laney | so you get the opposition parties gaining in mid term years | 08:26 |
| Laney | which is fun | 08:26 |
| seb128 | which is why we had a ton of town turning to the right wing this time | 08:26 |
| Laney | it's weird, because local government probably has a more direct impact on peoples daily lives | 08:27 |
| Laney | so it should be a considered vote really | 08:27 |
| seb128 | indeed | 08:28 |
| Laney | oh, cool, I can reproduce that glib test failure easily | 08:31 |
| Laney | (switching to work :P) | 08:31 |
| seb128 | (same here ;-) | 08:33 |
| * Laney tries $idea | 08:34 | |
| seb128 | Laney, you can probably grab desrt earlier in the day this week, he's in europe for the fdo summit | 08:38 |
| Laney | busy fixing mpris eh | 08:38 |
| Laney | $idea[1] works | 09:26 |
| Laney | also means the fault lies with smcv's patch and not desrt | 09:26 |
| Laney | :-) | 09:26 |
| seb128 | Laney, no fun if you can't even blame desrt! | 09:42 |
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| dobey | is everyone else having the new lock screen requiring to be unlocked twice? | 10:55 |
| RAOF | dobey: I've heard others complain about that, and it sometimes happens for me. | 10:57 |
| Laney | probably https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1292451 | 10:58 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1292451 in unity (Ubuntu) "screensaver re-locks itself after unlocking if the configured screen-off timer goes off while screen is locked" [High,Confirmed] | 10:58 |
| dobey | hmm | 11:01 |
| Laney | if not, peruse https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bugs?field.tag=lockscreen | 11:01 |
| dobey | sounds like it | 11:02 |
| Laney | hoping for a fix for these RSN™ | 11:02 |
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| dobey | great | 11:12 |
| ritz | Sweetshark, what do you think about - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/1214352 ? wrt lo/gio fuse | 11:58 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1214352 in LibreOffice Productivity Suite "GUINT32/64_SWAP_LE_BE macros do not enclose val argument in parentheses" [Critical,Confirmed] | 11:58 |
| ritz | any probability this might ever be included in precise ? | 11:58 |
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| GunnarHj | xnox: Thanks for taking a look at that bug. And yes, please don't trust the patch - check out the context carefully before applying. ;-) | 12:36 |
| GunnarHj | xnox: For example, I don't understand what pkgsel/language-packs is and how its value is set. Maybe that's what should be changed instead... | 12:37 |
| xnox | GunnarHj: i think one presseeds that one, in fully automated installations. | 12:38 |
| xnox | GunnarHj: i'll check our automated l18n test-cases. | 12:38 |
| GunnarHj | xnox: Ok.. | 12:38 |
| xnox | GunnarHj: actually maybe that's what we should do first, add a test-case for this. | 12:38 |
| ogra_ | does anyone know when (and why) the behavior of cursor keys in eog changed ? | 12:39 |
| xnox | GunnarHj: so when an en_US installation is done and an en_GB user is created, it doesn't get full language support nor is prompted to install one? | 12:39 |
| xnox | GunnarHj: or what's the test-case here? let me read the bug again. | 12:39 |
| GunnarHj | xnox: Right. | 12:39 |
| xnox | GunnarHj: how does one create a different locale user in the UI? | 12:40 |
| ogra_ | i usually use it via ssh -X from my precise desktop ... there i can use the cursor and pgUp/Dn keys to navigate inside a picture ... now i used it for the first time on trusty ... there the keys only navigate the gallery | 12:40 |
| xnox | GunnarHj: oh, i guess a different locale user can come from anywhere. E.g. ldap, etc. | 12:40 |
| ogra_ | (how do i navigate in pics now) | 12:40 |
| GunnarHj | xnox: System Settings -> User Accounts has a language setting possibility. | 12:40 |
| xnox | GunnarHj: right, and on my machine it does offer "all types of English derivatives" yet not all of them are actually installed. | 12:41 |
| xnox | ogra_: https://xkcd.com/512/ much? =))) | 12:41 |
| GunnarHj | xnox: The translations are indeed installed, or else they would not appear. | 12:42 |
| GunnarHj | xnox: But the full language support is not. | 12:42 |
| ogra_ | xnox, ah, well ... ever tried to use eog with a bootchart ? | 12:43 |
| GunnarHj | xnox: I.e. until you install them when language-selector prompts you to do so. | 12:43 |
| seb128 | ogra_, eog works fien on charts? | 12:48 |
| xnox | GunnarHj: ack. | 12:49 |
| ogra_ | seb128, i guess depends with what input device ... with a touchpad it sucks for bootcharts, scrollwheel/sidebar doesnt scroll but zoom etc | 12:50 |
| seb128 | ogra_, click and dnd | 12:50 |
| ogra_ | seb128, my touchpad isnt big enough/not accelerated enough ... that ends in me "walking" the touchpad to get from top to bottom | 12:51 |
| ogra_ | i usually use the cursor keys to scroll up/down | 12:51 |
| seb128 | ogra_, you can probably gsettings org.gnome.eog.view scroll-wheel-zoom false | 12:51 |
| ogra_ | which works fine in precise | 12:51 |
| ogra_ | oh ! | 12:51 |
| ogra_ | thts helpful | 12:51 |
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| rickspencer3 | seb128, may I presume that I should not have 2 network indicators on my desktop? | 13:24 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, if you installed the touch one you should have 2 | 13:24 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, hmmm, I don't think I installed it | 13:24 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, it comes if you install e.g unity8 | 13:24 |
| rickspencer3 | I mean, I must have, but don't recall | 13:24 |
| seb128 | or ubuntu-system-settings | 13:24 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, hmmm, don't think I did that, unless it came with the sdk | 13:24 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, try removing indicator-network and see what else gets uninstalled | 13:25 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, I did apt-get remove ubuntu-system-settings ... | 13:25 |
| rickspencer3 | and got prompted with this ... | 13:26 |
| rickspencer3 | The following packages will be REMOVED: | 13:26 |
| rickspencer3 | account-plugin-ubuntuone ubuntu-system-settings | 13:26 |
| rickspencer3 | ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts unity-scope-click | 13:26 |
| rickspencer3 | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 4 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 13:26 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, I bet I have some weird PPAs and stuff | 13:26 |
| rickspencer3 | so ... | 13:26 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, so you have the touch settings installed | 13:26 |
| * rickspencer3 shrugs | 13:26 | |
| rickspencer3 | sorry to bug you | 13:26 |
| seb128 | no worry | 13:26 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, we have a bug open discussing disabling the desktop profile of indicator-network | 13:27 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, that would avoid those issues | 13:27 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, but it would also mean you couldn't install it to test it on a desktop, since it wouldn't show | 13:27 |
| seb128 | so it's a tradeoff situation | 13:27 |
| jose | hey guys, anyone from the desktop team around? | 13:29 |
| seb128 | jose, hey, better to ask your question if you have one | 13:30 |
| jose | seb128: oh, I was wanting to invite any of you guys to give an Ubuntu Open Week session on behalf of the Classroom team | 13:31 |
| seb128 | jose, oh, thanks ... do you have a topic in mind? | 13:32 |
| seb128 | what sort of sessions are you looking for? | 13:33 |
| seb128 | when is it as well? :-) | 13:33 |
| jose | well, Open Week is all about getting new contributors in your teams, so maybe explain what do you guys do on the team and how can someone contribute? | 13:33 |
| jose | April 22nd to 24th, 15 to 20 UTC daily | 13:33 |
| seb128 | jose, we have a team meeting tomorrow at 15h30UTC, I'm going to mention it there/ask if anyone is interested | 13:33 |
| jose | cool, thank you! | 13:34 |
| seb128 | yw! | 13:34 |
| seb128 | thanks for inviting us ;-) | 13:34 |
| jose | always a pleasure to have you guys there :) | 13:38 |
| ricotz | seb128, hi, commented on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rasqal/+bug/1298313 | 14:44 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1298313 in rasqal (Ubuntu) "Sync rasqal 0.9.32-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] | 14:44 |
| seb128 | ricotz, hey | 14:44 |
| seb128 | ricotz, I'm unsure about things like "Updated the SPARQL parser to use and require Bison 3.0" | 14:45 |
| seb128 | ricotz, anyway, I'm done with sponsoring for today so let's see if somebody else is wanting to pick that one | 14:45 |
| ricotz | seb128, alright, thanks for looking at it so far | 14:46 |
| seb128 | yw! | 14:47 |
| seb128 | thanks for updating the bug with the details ;-) | 14:47 |
| Sweetshark | ritz: including fix for bug 1214352 that in precise proper would mean to update gio and recompile everything that uses the header .... | 15:06 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1214352 in LibreOffice Productivity Suite "GUINT32/64_SWAP_LE_BE macros do not enclose val argument in parentheses" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1214352 | 15:06 |
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| kenvandine | xnox, i want request a landing silo for content-hub today, which will include your branch | 16:19 |
| kenvandine | xnox, however, it no longer merges cleanly, i fixed it in lp:~ken-vandine/content-hub/spped-up-no-op | 16:19 |
| kenvandine | xnox, can you merge that into your branch and push it? | 16:19 |
| xnox | kenvandine: sure! | 16:19 |
| kenvandine | xnox, sorry we didn't land it last time, the amount of change was a bit overwhelming :) | 16:20 |
| xnox | kenvandine: done. | 16:22 |
| kenvandine | xnox, thx | 16:23 |
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| Pa^2 | Acer laptop running 13.10 suspends correctly from upper right menu, when suspended via lid close touch screen does not work. Any thoughts? | 16:53 |
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| kenvandine | xnox, sorry... in my attempt to fix the merge conflict without pulling in other unmerged branches, i missed a line in my fix... | 17:23 |
| kenvandine | xnox, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7185843/ | 17:23 |
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| xnox | kenvandine: serves me right for trusting you, and not at least test compiling this =) | 17:45 |
| kenvandine | xnox, sorry :) | 17:46 |
| kenvandine | i test compiled it in another branch... but trusted myself to copy over the changes to a pristine branch :) | 17:46 |
| kenvandine | xnox, don't forget to push that, we put it in the silo 11 for landing | 18:47 |
| kenvandine | xnox, thx | 18:51 |
| xnox | =) | 18:52 |
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| Sweetshark | So the good news is: LibreOffice autopkgtests did run happily on https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com. The bad news is: there was one line of spurious output to stderr and jenkins got offended and marked it a failure. | 19:25 |
| xnox | Sweetshark: allows-stderr is your friend? =) | 19:45 |
| xnox | Sweetshark: or ask for libreoffice test failure to ignored for one last time. | 19:46 |
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| attente | robert_ancell: hi, is there a way for an indicator to detect when the screen is locked? | 20:27 |
| robert_ancell | attente, yes, you can check in logind | 20:27 |
| attente | robert_ancell: thanks! | 20:28 |
| Sweetshark | xnox: I guess i dont have to ask as the package is already in main. ;) | 20:29 |
| Sweetshark | xnox: The best is likely to do a "2>&1" explicitly only on that one command creating the known-harmless output. | 20:30 |
| Sweetshark | ... which is doing a fake configure for a build we never run (but we need the configure output to run the tests ...). | 20:31 |
| xnox | =) | 20:32 |
| Sweetshark | http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek#/beitrag/video/2121838/WISO-Sendung-vom-31-M%C3%A4rz-2014 <- awesome 3 minute feature of Ubuntu and LibreOffice on the german equivalent of BCC right between the evening news and the feature movie is awesome (roughly minutes 14-20). | 21:01 |
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| robert_ancell | dobey, what process is the software center using for landing merges? Should I do anything more for https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/software-center/lp1281317/+merge/212971 or will someone merge and release it? | 22:54 |
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