[06:11] <sabdfl> igjools
[08:05] <Laney> hullo!
[08:05] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:05] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:05] <seb128> Laney, had a good w.e?
[08:06] <Laney> seb128: yeah, was nice thank you - we had nice weather so bike rides and beer in the sun
[08:06] <Laney> you?
[08:06] <seb128> nice!
[08:07] <seb128> saturday was nice and sunny here, I mostly enjoyed the weather and played some tennis outside
[08:08] <seb128> yesterday was less nice weather wise and I didn't do anything special (washed the car, watched election results on tv, ...)
[08:09] <didrocks> Laney: as you can see, the second part was "pizza and beers" I guess ^ :)
[08:09] <Laney> Election result drinking games, sounds like fun ;-)
[08:09] <seb128> lol
[08:10] <didrocks> "everytime one side will tell the other is totally wrong, you have to drink" :p
[08:10] <seb128> nor far from that indeed ;-)
[08:10] <didrocks> heh
[08:10]  * seb128 googles and find http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/may/04/cities-vote-against-elected-mayors
[08:11] <seb128> Laney, how are mayors selected in the u.k if it's not through elections?
[08:11] <Laney> most places don't have them
[08:11] <seb128> how are the town handled?
[08:11] <Laney> by an elected council
[08:12] <seb128> oh ok
[08:12] <Laney> which has a leader selected from the councillors
[08:12] <seb128> k
[08:12] <seb128> sounds like a mayor of some sort, just without the title
[08:12] <Laney> those votes were offering the cities to replace the leader of the council with a mayor
[08:12] <Laney> who was directly elected
[08:13] <seb128> that's what we have ;-)
[08:13] <seb128> seems like you guys didn't like that though?
[08:14] <Laney> quite a lot of politicians argued against them at the time
[08:16] <Laney> from what I remember the main arguments were costs and tension between the council and the mayor leading to political problems
[08:16] <seb128> I guess our system is a bit in between
[08:17] <seb128> we have different lists of councillors, the first name on the list is elected mayor if the list wins
[08:17] <Laney> but some places do have them already, as councils have the power to decide to switch to a system with a mayor if they want
[08:17] <seb128> so you vote for a list
[08:17] <Laney> these votes were to override the councils that didnt want to do that
[08:17] <Laney> ah, yeah, we don't have that
[08:17] <Laney> you vote for the people standing in your local area
[08:18] <seb128> maybe I misuse "councillors"/"concil" there
[08:18] <Laney> they are the elected people
[08:18] <seb128> typically e.g in my town they have 30 seats to the town council
[08:19] <seb128> and we have 2 "lists" of local people with 30 names on each
[08:19] <seb128> so we voted for them
[08:19] <seb128> one won with a score of 78%
[08:19] <seb128> so the leader of that list becomes mayor to start
[08:20] <seb128> then the council is made from the lists, 50% of the seats are allocated to the winning list to start
[08:20] <Laney> that's interesting
[08:20] <seb128> then they dispatch the other 50% to all the list in proportion to the score
[08:20] <Laney> are the lists all people from the same party?
[08:20] <seb128> which means the winning list got 50%+78%*remaining seats
[08:21] <seb128> depends of where you live
[08:21] <seb128> small villages/towns don't always affiliate a list to a party
[08:21] <Laney> so you guarantee to have one group of people with a majority
[08:21] <seb128> in big cities yes, they are usually representing one of the parties
[08:21] <seb128> yes
[08:21] <Laney> here you can have 'no overall control'
[08:21] <Laney> if the votes in each area go that way
[08:21] <seb128> they do
[08:22] <seb128> how is the no overall control working?
[08:22] <seb128> they force the other parties in places even if that's not what people want?
[08:22] <Laney> it means that nobody has a majority of the seats
[08:23] <Laney> so they have to make a local coalition or a minority administration which has to work things out on a case-by-case basis
[08:24] <seb128> I see
[08:24] <seb128> funny to see how things are different between countries ;-)
[08:26] <Laney> also people like to use the local elections as a protest against the national government
[08:26] <seb128> same here
[08:26] <Laney> so you get the opposition parties gaining in mid term years
[08:26] <Laney> which is fun
[08:26] <seb128> which is why we had a ton of town turning to the right wing this time
[08:27] <Laney> it's weird, because local government probably has a more direct impact on peoples daily lives
[08:27] <Laney> so it should be a considered vote really
[08:28] <seb128> indeed
[08:31] <Laney> oh, cool, I can reproduce that glib test failure easily
[08:31] <Laney> (switching to work :P)
[08:33] <seb128> (same here ;-)
[08:34]  * Laney tries $idea
[08:38] <seb128> Laney, you can probably grab desrt earlier in the day this week, he's in europe for the fdo summit
[08:38] <Laney> busy fixing mpris eh
[09:26] <Laney> $idea[1] works
[09:26] <Laney> also means the fault lies with smcv's patch and not desrt
[09:26] <Laney> :-)
[09:42] <seb128> Laney, no fun if you can't even blame desrt!
[10:55] <dobey> is everyone else having the new lock screen requiring to be unlocked twice?
[10:57] <RAOF> dobey: I've heard others complain about that, and it sometimes happens for me.
[10:58] <Laney> probably https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1292451
[10:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1292451 in unity (Ubuntu) "screensaver re-locks itself after unlocking if the configured screen-off timer goes off while screen is locked" [High,Confirmed]
[11:01] <dobey> hmm
[11:01] <Laney> if not, peruse https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bugs?field.tag=lockscreen
[11:02] <dobey> sounds like it
[11:02] <Laney> hoping for a fix for these RSN™
[11:12] <dobey> great
[11:58] <ritz> Sweetshark,  what do you think about - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/1214352 ? wrt lo/gio fuse
[11:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1214352 in LibreOffice Productivity Suite "GUINT32/64_SWAP_LE_BE macros do not enclose val argument in parentheses" [Critical,Confirmed]
[11:58] <ritz> any probability this might ever be included in precise ?
[12:36] <GunnarHj> xnox: Thanks for taking a look at that bug. And yes, please don't trust the patch - check out the context carefully before applying. ;-)
[12:37] <GunnarHj> xnox: For example, I don't understand what pkgsel/language-packs is and how its value is set. Maybe that's what should be changed instead...
[12:38] <xnox> GunnarHj: i think one presseeds that one, in fully automated installations.
[12:38] <xnox> GunnarHj: i'll check our automated l18n test-cases.
[12:38] <GunnarHj> xnox: Ok..
[12:38] <xnox> GunnarHj: actually maybe that's what we should do first, add a test-case for this.
[12:39] <ogra_> does anyone know when (and why) the behavior of cursor keys in eog changed ?
[12:39] <xnox> GunnarHj: so when an en_US installation is done and an en_GB user is created, it doesn't get full language support nor is prompted to install one?
[12:39] <xnox> GunnarHj: or what's the test-case here? let me read the bug again.
[12:39] <GunnarHj> xnox: Right.
[12:40] <xnox> GunnarHj: how does one create a different locale user in the UI?
[12:40] <ogra_> i usually use it via ssh -X from my precise desktop ... there i can use the cursor and pgUp/Dn keys to navigate inside a picture ... now i used it for the first time on trusty ... there the keys only navigate the gallery
[12:40] <xnox> GunnarHj: oh, i guess a different locale user can come from anywhere. E.g. ldap, etc.
[12:40] <ogra_> (how do i navigate in pics now)
[12:40] <GunnarHj> xnox: System Settings -> User Accounts has a language setting possibility.
[12:41] <xnox> GunnarHj: right, and on my machine it does offer "all types of English derivatives" yet not all of them are actually installed.
[12:41] <xnox> ogra_: https://xkcd.com/512/ much? =)))
[12:42] <GunnarHj> xnox: The translations are indeed installed, or else they would not appear.
[12:42] <GunnarHj> xnox: But the full language support is not.
[12:43] <ogra_> xnox, ah, well ... ever tried to use eog with a bootchart ?
[12:43] <GunnarHj> xnox: I.e. until you install them when language-selector prompts you to do so.
[12:48] <seb128> ogra_, eog works fien on charts?
[12:49] <xnox> GunnarHj: ack.
[12:50] <ogra_> seb128, i guess depends with what input device ... with a touchpad it sucks for bootcharts, scrollwheel/sidebar doesnt scroll but zoom etc
[12:50] <seb128> ogra_, click and dnd
[12:51] <ogra_> seb128, my touchpad isnt big enough/not accelerated enough ... that ends in me "walking" the touchpad to get from top to bottom
[12:51] <ogra_> i usually use the cursor keys to scroll up/down
[12:51] <seb128> ogra_, you can probably gsettings org.gnome.eog.view scroll-wheel-zoom false
[12:51] <ogra_> which works fine in precise
[12:51] <ogra_> oh !
[12:51] <ogra_> thts helpful
[13:24] <rickspencer3> seb128, may I presume that I should not have 2 network indicators on my desktop?
[13:24] <seb128> rickspencer3, if you installed the touch one you should have 2
[13:24] <rickspencer3> seb128, hmmm, I don't think I installed it
[13:24] <seb128> rickspencer3, it comes if you install e.g unity8
[13:24] <rickspencer3> I mean, I must have, but don't recall
[13:24] <seb128> or ubuntu-system-settings
[13:24] <rickspencer3> seb128, hmmm, don't think I did that, unless it came with the sdk
[13:25] <seb128> rickspencer3, try removing indicator-network and see what else gets uninstalled
[13:25] <rickspencer3> seb128, I did apt-get remove ubuntu-system-settings ...
[13:26] <rickspencer3> and got prompted with this ...
[13:26] <rickspencer3> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[13:26] <rickspencer3>   account-plugin-ubuntuone ubuntu-system-settings
[13:26] <rickspencer3>   ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts unity-scope-click
[13:26] <rickspencer3> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 4 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[13:26] <rickspencer3> seb128, I bet I have some weird PPAs and stuff
[13:26] <rickspencer3> so ...
[13:26] <seb128> rickspencer3, so you have the touch settings installed
[13:26]  * rickspencer3 shrugs
[13:26] <rickspencer3> sorry to bug you
[13:26] <seb128> no worry
[13:27] <seb128> rickspencer3, we have a bug open discussing disabling the desktop profile of indicator-network
[13:27] <seb128> rickspencer3, that would avoid those issues
[13:27] <seb128> rickspencer3, but it would also mean you couldn't install it to test it on a desktop, since it wouldn't show
[13:27] <seb128> so it's a tradeoff situation
[13:29] <jose> hey guys, anyone from the desktop team around?
[13:30] <seb128> jose, hey, better to ask your question if you have one
[13:31] <jose> seb128: oh, I was wanting to invite any of you guys to give an Ubuntu Open Week session on behalf of the Classroom team
[13:32] <seb128> jose, oh, thanks ... do you have a topic in mind?
[13:33] <seb128> what sort of sessions are you looking for?
[13:33] <seb128> when is it as well? :-)
[13:33] <jose> well, Open Week is all about getting new contributors in your teams, so maybe explain what do you guys do on the team and how can someone contribute?
[13:33] <jose> April 22nd to 24th, 15 to 20 UTC daily
[13:33] <seb128> jose, we have a team meeting tomorrow at 15h30UTC, I'm going to mention it there/ask if anyone is interested
[13:34] <jose> cool, thank you!
[13:34] <seb128> yw!
[13:34] <seb128> thanks for inviting us ;-)
[13:38] <jose> always a pleasure to have you guys there :)
[14:44] <ricotz> seb128, hi, commented on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rasqal/+bug/1298313
[14:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1298313 in rasqal (Ubuntu) "Sync rasqal 0.9.32-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Incomplete]
[14:44] <seb128> ricotz, hey
[14:45] <seb128> ricotz, I'm unsure about things like "Updated the SPARQL parser to use and require Bison 3.0"
[14:45] <seb128> ricotz, anyway, I'm done with sponsoring for today so let's see if somebody else is wanting to pick that one
[14:46] <ricotz> seb128, alright, thanks for looking at it so far
[14:47] <seb128> yw!
[14:47] <seb128> thanks for updating the bug with the details ;-)
[15:06] <Sweetshark> ritz: including fix for bug 1214352 that in precise proper would mean to update gio and recompile everything that uses the header ....
[15:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1214352 in LibreOffice Productivity Suite "GUINT32/64_SWAP_LE_BE macros do not enclose val argument in parentheses" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1214352
[16:19] <kenvandine> xnox, i want request a landing silo for content-hub today, which will include your branch
[16:19] <kenvandine> xnox, however, it no longer merges cleanly,  i fixed it in lp:~ken-vandine/content-hub/spped-up-no-op
[16:19] <kenvandine> xnox, can you merge that into your branch and push it?
[16:19] <xnox> kenvandine: sure!
[16:20] <kenvandine> xnox, sorry we didn't land it last time, the amount of change was a bit overwhelming :)
[16:22] <xnox> kenvandine: done.
[16:23] <kenvandine> xnox, thx
[16:53] <Pa^2> Acer laptop running 13.10 suspends correctly from upper right menu, when suspended via lid close touch screen does not work.  Any thoughts?
[17:23] <kenvandine> xnox, sorry... in my attempt to fix the merge conflict without pulling in other unmerged branches, i missed a line in my fix...
[17:23] <kenvandine> xnox, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7185843/
[17:45] <xnox> kenvandine: serves me right for trusting you, and not at least test compiling this =)
[17:46] <kenvandine> xnox, sorry :)
[17:46] <kenvandine> i test compiled it in another branch... but trusted myself to copy over the changes to a pristine branch :)
[18:47] <kenvandine> xnox, don't forget to push that, we put it in the silo 11 for landing
[18:51] <kenvandine> xnox, thx
[18:52] <xnox> =)
[19:25] <Sweetshark> So the good news is: LibreOffice autopkgtests did run happily on https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com. The bad news is: there was one line of spurious output to stderr and jenkins got offended and marked it a failure.
[19:45] <xnox> Sweetshark: allows-stderr is your friend? =)
[19:46] <xnox> Sweetshark: or ask for libreoffice test failure to ignored for one last time.
[20:27] <attente> robert_ancell: hi, is there a way for an indicator to detect when the screen is locked?
[20:27] <robert_ancell> attente, yes, you can check in logind
[20:28] <attente> robert_ancell: thanks!
[20:29] <Sweetshark> xnox: I guess i dont have to ask as the package is already in main. ;)
[20:30] <Sweetshark> xnox: The best is likely to do a "2>&1" explicitly only on that one command creating the known-harmless output.
[20:31] <Sweetshark> ... which is doing a fake configure for a build we never run (but we need the configure output to run the tests ...).
[20:32] <xnox> =)
[21:01] <Sweetshark> http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek#/beitrag/video/2121838/WISO-Sendung-vom-31-M%C3%A4rz-2014 <- awesome 3 minute feature of Ubuntu and LibreOffice on the german equivalent of BCC right between the evening news and the feature movie is awesome (roughly minutes 14-20).
[22:54] <robert_ancell> dobey, what process is the software center using for landing merges? Should I do anything more for https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/software-center/lp1281317/+merge/212971 or will someone merge and release it?