=== m_conley is now known as m_conley_away === rsalveti_ is now known as rsalveti === mhall119_ is now known as mhall119 === _thumper_ is now known as thumper === maclin_ is now known as maclin === TheMuso` is now known as TheMuso === maclin__ is now known as maclin [06:11] igjools === maclin_ is now known as maclin === psivaa_ is now known as psivaa === FJKong is now known as FJKong_bad_netwo [08:05] hullo! [08:05] hey Laney [08:05] good morning desktopers [08:05] Laney, had a good w.e? [08:06] seb128: yeah, was nice thank you - we had nice weather so bike rides and beer in the sun [08:06] you? [08:06] nice! [08:07] saturday was nice and sunny here, I mostly enjoyed the weather and played some tennis outside [08:08] yesterday was less nice weather wise and I didn't do anything special (washed the car, watched election results on tv, ...) [08:09] Laney: as you can see, the second part was "pizza and beers" I guess ^ :) [08:09] Election result drinking games, sounds like fun ;-) [08:09] lol [08:10] "everytime one side will tell the other is totally wrong, you have to drink" :p [08:10] nor far from that indeed ;-) [08:10] heh [08:10] * seb128 googles and find http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/may/04/cities-vote-against-elected-mayors [08:11] Laney, how are mayors selected in the u.k if it's not through elections? [08:11] most places don't have them [08:11] how are the town handled? [08:11] by an elected council [08:12] oh ok [08:12] which has a leader selected from the councillors [08:12] k [08:12] sounds like a mayor of some sort, just without the title [08:12] those votes were offering the cities to replace the leader of the council with a mayor [08:12] who was directly elected [08:13] that's what we have ;-) [08:13] seems like you guys didn't like that though? [08:14] quite a lot of politicians argued against them at the time [08:16] from what I remember the main arguments were costs and tension between the council and the mayor leading to political problems [08:16] I guess our system is a bit in between [08:17] we have different lists of councillors, the first name on the list is elected mayor if the list wins [08:17] but some places do have them already, as councils have the power to decide to switch to a system with a mayor if they want [08:17] so you vote for a list [08:17] these votes were to override the councils that didnt want to do that [08:17] ah, yeah, we don't have that [08:17] you vote for the people standing in your local area [08:18] maybe I misuse "councillors"/"concil" there [08:18] they are the elected people [08:18] typically e.g in my town they have 30 seats to the town council [08:19] and we have 2 "lists" of local people with 30 names on each [08:19] so we voted for them [08:19] one won with a score of 78% [08:19] so the leader of that list becomes mayor to start [08:20] then the council is made from the lists, 50% of the seats are allocated to the winning list to start [08:20] that's interesting [08:20] then they dispatch the other 50% to all the list in proportion to the score [08:20] are the lists all people from the same party? [08:20] which means the winning list got 50%+78%*remaining seats [08:21] depends of where you live [08:21] small villages/towns don't always affiliate a list to a party [08:21] so you guarantee to have one group of people with a majority [08:21] in big cities yes, they are usually representing one of the parties [08:21] yes [08:21] here you can have 'no overall control' [08:21] if the votes in each area go that way [08:21] they do [08:22] how is the no overall control working? [08:22] they force the other parties in places even if that's not what people want? [08:22] it means that nobody has a majority of the seats [08:23] so they have to make a local coalition or a minority administration which has to work things out on a case-by-case basis [08:24] I see [08:24] funny to see how things are different between countries ;-) [08:26] also people like to use the local elections as a protest against the national government [08:26] same here [08:26] so you get the opposition parties gaining in mid term years [08:26] which is fun [08:26] which is why we had a ton of town turning to the right wing this time [08:27] it's weird, because local government probably has a more direct impact on peoples daily lives [08:27] so it should be a considered vote really [08:28] indeed [08:31] oh, cool, I can reproduce that glib test failure easily [08:31] (switching to work :P) [08:33] (same here ;-) [08:34] * Laney tries $idea [08:38] Laney, you can probably grab desrt earlier in the day this week, he's in europe for the fdo summit [08:38] busy fixing mpris eh [09:26] $idea[1] works [09:26] also means the fault lies with smcv's patch and not desrt [09:26] :-) [09:42] Laney, no fun if you can't even blame desrt! === jhernand1z is now known as jhernandez [10:55] is everyone else having the new lock screen requiring to be unlocked twice? [10:57] dobey: I've heard others complain about that, and it sometimes happens for me. [10:58] probably https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1292451 [10:58] Launchpad bug 1292451 in unity (Ubuntu) "screensaver re-locks itself after unlocking if the configured screen-off timer goes off while screen is locked" [High,Confirmed] [11:01] hmm [11:01] if not, peruse https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bugs?field.tag=lockscreen [11:02] sounds like it [11:02] hoping for a fix for these RSN™ === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:12] great [11:58] Sweetshark, what do you think about - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/1214352 ? wrt lo/gio fuse [11:58] Launchpad bug 1214352 in LibreOffice Productivity Suite "GUINT32/64_SWAP_LE_BE macros do not enclose val argument in parentheses" [Critical,Confirmed] [11:58] any probability this might ever be included in precise ? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:36] xnox: Thanks for taking a look at that bug. And yes, please don't trust the patch - check out the context carefully before applying. ;-) [12:37] xnox: For example, I don't understand what pkgsel/language-packs is and how its value is set. Maybe that's what should be changed instead... [12:38] GunnarHj: i think one presseeds that one, in fully automated installations. [12:38] GunnarHj: i'll check our automated l18n test-cases. [12:38] xnox: Ok.. [12:38] GunnarHj: actually maybe that's what we should do first, add a test-case for this. [12:39] does anyone know when (and why) the behavior of cursor keys in eog changed ? [12:39] GunnarHj: so when an en_US installation is done and an en_GB user is created, it doesn't get full language support nor is prompted to install one? [12:39] GunnarHj: or what's the test-case here? let me read the bug again. [12:39] xnox: Right. [12:40] GunnarHj: how does one create a different locale user in the UI? [12:40] i usually use it via ssh -X from my precise desktop ... there i can use the cursor and pgUp/Dn keys to navigate inside a picture ... now i used it for the first time on trusty ... there the keys only navigate the gallery [12:40] GunnarHj: oh, i guess a different locale user can come from anywhere. E.g. ldap, etc. [12:40] (how do i navigate in pics now) [12:40] xnox: System Settings -> User Accounts has a language setting possibility. [12:41] GunnarHj: right, and on my machine it does offer "all types of English derivatives" yet not all of them are actually installed. [12:41] ogra_: https://xkcd.com/512/ much? =))) [12:42] xnox: The translations are indeed installed, or else they would not appear. [12:42] xnox: But the full language support is not. [12:43] xnox, ah, well ... ever tried to use eog with a bootchart ? [12:43] xnox: I.e. until you install them when language-selector prompts you to do so. [12:48] ogra_, eog works fien on charts? [12:49] GunnarHj: ack. [12:50] seb128, i guess depends with what input device ... with a touchpad it sucks for bootcharts, scrollwheel/sidebar doesnt scroll but zoom etc [12:50] ogra_, click and dnd [12:51] seb128, my touchpad isnt big enough/not accelerated enough ... that ends in me "walking" the touchpad to get from top to bottom [12:51] i usually use the cursor keys to scroll up/down [12:51] ogra_, you can probably gsettings org.gnome.eog.view scroll-wheel-zoom false [12:51] which works fine in precise [12:51] oh ! [12:51] thts helpful === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:24] seb128, may I presume that I should not have 2 network indicators on my desktop? [13:24] rickspencer3, if you installed the touch one you should have 2 [13:24] seb128, hmmm, I don't think I installed it [13:24] rickspencer3, it comes if you install e.g unity8 [13:24] I mean, I must have, but don't recall [13:24] or ubuntu-system-settings [13:24] seb128, hmmm, don't think I did that, unless it came with the sdk [13:25] rickspencer3, try removing indicator-network and see what else gets uninstalled [13:25] seb128, I did apt-get remove ubuntu-system-settings ... [13:26] and got prompted with this ... [13:26] The following packages will be REMOVED: [13:26] account-plugin-ubuntuone ubuntu-system-settings [13:26] ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts unity-scope-click [13:26] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 4 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [13:26] seb128, I bet I have some weird PPAs and stuff [13:26] so ... [13:26] rickspencer3, so you have the touch settings installed [13:26] * rickspencer3 shrugs [13:26] sorry to bug you [13:26] no worry [13:27] rickspencer3, we have a bug open discussing disabling the desktop profile of indicator-network [13:27] rickspencer3, that would avoid those issues [13:27] rickspencer3, but it would also mean you couldn't install it to test it on a desktop, since it wouldn't show [13:27] so it's a tradeoff situation [13:29] hey guys, anyone from the desktop team around? [13:30] jose, hey, better to ask your question if you have one [13:31] seb128: oh, I was wanting to invite any of you guys to give an Ubuntu Open Week session on behalf of the Classroom team [13:32] jose, oh, thanks ... do you have a topic in mind? [13:33] what sort of sessions are you looking for? [13:33] when is it as well? :-) [13:33] well, Open Week is all about getting new contributors in your teams, so maybe explain what do you guys do on the team and how can someone contribute? [13:33] April 22nd to 24th, 15 to 20 UTC daily [13:33] jose, we have a team meeting tomorrow at 15h30UTC, I'm going to mention it there/ask if anyone is interested [13:34] cool, thank you! [13:34] yw! [13:34] thanks for inviting us ;-) [13:38] always a pleasure to have you guys there :) [14:44] seb128, hi, commented on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rasqal/+bug/1298313 [14:44] Launchpad bug 1298313 in rasqal (Ubuntu) "Sync rasqal 0.9.32-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] [14:44] ricotz, hey [14:45] ricotz, I'm unsure about things like "Updated the SPARQL parser to use and require Bison 3.0" [14:45] ricotz, anyway, I'm done with sponsoring for today so let's see if somebody else is wanting to pick that one [14:46] seb128, alright, thanks for looking at it so far [14:47] yw! [14:47] thanks for updating the bug with the details ;-) [15:06] ritz: including fix for bug 1214352 that in precise proper would mean to update gio and recompile everything that uses the header .... [15:06] Launchpad bug 1214352 in LibreOffice Productivity Suite "GUINT32/64_SWAP_LE_BE macros do not enclose val argument in parentheses" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1214352 === mjohnson15_2 is now known as mjohnson15 === mhall119 is now known as mhall119|away [16:19] xnox, i want request a landing silo for content-hub today, which will include your branch [16:19] xnox, however, it no longer merges cleanly, i fixed it in lp:~ken-vandine/content-hub/spped-up-no-op [16:19] xnox, can you merge that into your branch and push it? [16:19] kenvandine: sure! [16:20] xnox, sorry we didn't land it last time, the amount of change was a bit overwhelming :) [16:22] kenvandine: done. [16:23] xnox, thx === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch [16:53] Acer laptop running 13.10 suspends correctly from upper right menu, when suspended via lid close touch screen does not work. Any thoughts? === mhall119|away is now known as mhall119 === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:23] xnox, sorry... in my attempt to fix the merge conflict without pulling in other unmerged branches, i missed a line in my fix... [17:23] xnox, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7185843/ === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox [17:45] kenvandine: serves me right for trusting you, and not at least test compiling this =) [17:46] xnox, sorry :) [17:46] i test compiled it in another branch... but trusted myself to copy over the changes to a pristine branch :) [18:47] xnox, don't forget to push that, we put it in the silo 11 for landing [18:51] xnox, thx [18:52] =) === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [19:25] So the good news is: LibreOffice autopkgtests did run happily on https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com. The bad news is: there was one line of spurious output to stderr and jenkins got offended and marked it a failure. [19:45] Sweetshark: allows-stderr is your friend? =) [19:46] Sweetshark: or ask for libreoffice test failure to ignored for one last time. === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [20:27] robert_ancell: hi, is there a way for an indicator to detect when the screen is locked? [20:27] attente, yes, you can check in logind [20:28] robert_ancell: thanks! [20:29] xnox: I guess i dont have to ask as the package is already in main. ;) [20:30] xnox: The best is likely to do a "2>&1" explicitly only on that one command creating the known-harmless output. [20:31] ... which is doing a fake configure for a build we never run (but we need the configure output to run the tests ...). [20:32] =) [21:01] http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek#/beitrag/video/2121838/WISO-Sendung-vom-31-M%C3%A4rz-2014 <- awesome 3 minute feature of Ubuntu and LibreOffice on the german equivalent of BCC right between the evening news and the feature movie is awesome (roughly minutes 14-20). === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [22:54] dobey, what process is the software center using for landing merges? Should I do anything more for https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/software-center/lp1281317/+merge/212971 or will someone merge and release it?