[00:26] <mapps> looks like il be staying overnight after the spurs game
[00:28] <mapps> have to remember self control..24hr casino O_o
[00:28] <daftykins> hehehe
[00:29] <mapps> cant see any other way basically
[00:29] <mapps> white hart lane -> euston 40mins tube ...and then what if any delays or anything..game finishes 10pm last train 1050
[00:30] <mapps> itd be VERY close..time to get out the stadium etc
[00:30] <mapps> thought about getting a taxi BUT again i dont know how bad traffic will be says 25mins..but if i miss my train paid for a ticket for nothing;/
[00:31] <mapps> my friend said he stayed in some hote for 29quid..but i cant see anything that cheap!!
[00:32] <daftykins> pesky booking prices :<
[00:34] <mapps> yea its like if i could just TRY and go from the stadium to euston AND IF i make it get a ticket thatd be fine
[00:34] <mapps> but it be like 80+
[00:34] <mapps> if i book in advance 37 quid
[00:38] <daftykins> find a park bench ;)
[00:53] <mapps> last walking dead tonight!
[01:02] <mapps> hm i suck at anything design related
[01:02] <mapps> just always feels like a stuggle:)
[01:02] <mapps> struggle
[01:12] <mapps> gee
[01:12] <mapps> z
[01:12] <dwatkins> I just put links on the page, functional html
[01:13] <mapps> i love all the scam spam
[01:13] <mapps> natwest credit card account password reset -- dont have a natwest ac..but anyway who would be tricked..hover ove the link
[01:13] <mapps> http://www.petermacfarlane.info/n.html
[01:13] <mapps> lol
[01:13] <dwatkins> yeah, it surprises me they still bother, considering most spam filters will stop that sort of thing
[01:14] <mapps> yep
[01:14] <mapps> gmail's brilliant
[01:14] <mapps> but in all honesty even without gmail..hover over the link..copy it whatever its easy to defeat/avoid
[01:14] <mapps> .petermacfarlane.info ropey looking website..but cant tell if its just a bogus website or thats a real firm with a crap site
[01:14] <dwatkins> yep, but some people don't know to do that
[01:15] <dwatkins> I got my dad to pipe all his mail through gmail and forward it to his ISP account, so gmail filters out the spam
[01:15] <mapps> my friend always claims he wants to learn more yada yada yada
[01:15] <mapps> so i instaled xubuntu on his real old machine..and got a new gfx card for it like a p3 maybe or p4 whatever
[01:15] <mapps> and he hasnt touched it in a year
[01:16] <dwatkins> nice
[01:16] <mapps> kinda irritating
[01:16] <dwatkins> I looked at my neighbor's PC, it was riddled with malware. I reset Chrome, and it was fine.
[01:16] <mapps> like when im telling him something say 'uhh check your router config' if i say go to 127.0.0.1 and laugh he doesnt get it
[01:17] <dwatkins> I don't get the joke
[01:17] <mapps> and yea its not madly funny
[01:17] <mapps> but still
[01:17] <daftykins> you know that one that online banking always says to install? Trusteer Rapport - i've seen people's machines taken over *because* of using that before ;x
[01:17] <mapps> well dwatkins go to 127.0.0.1 to get to your router config
[01:17] <mapps> i was more mocking him i guess
[01:17] <dwatkins> daftykins: that's crazy
[01:18] <dwatkins> oh right, sorry
[01:18] <mapps> as he doesnt realise 127.0.0.1=localhost
[01:18] <mapps> :P
[01:18] <dwatkins> got confused between 127.0.0.1 and 192.168.0.1
[01:18] <mapps> i could tell him to try it for google if dns was down and he'd believe me
[01:18] <mapps> lol
[01:18] <dwatkins> I often run a local webserver.
[01:18] <mapps> when he had problems accessing websites he phoned me and has no idea why..said to him ..just try google dns :)
[01:18] <dwatkins> Then again, I also often see customers who have added lines to /etc/hosts to get around licensing stuff
[01:19] <mapps> =]
[01:19] <dwatkins> there's also opendns, it does family-safe filtering
[01:19] <mapps> yea
[01:19] <mapps> ive got bind installed on my machine
[01:19] <mapps> not configured it properly
[01:19] <mapps> i have so many things im doing/half doing:)
[01:19] <dwatkins> I use dnsmasq
[01:21] <mapps> whats that do
[01:23] <mapps> hmm
[01:23] <mapps> userdirs arent working on my apache
[01:24] <dwatkins> it does dns and dhcp on my router
[01:24] <mapps> and cant access it externally
[01:24] <mapps> http://frogs.zapto.org
[01:24] <mapps> isnt working is it?
[01:24] <dwatkins> no response
[01:25] <mapps> but https is
[01:25] <mapps> argh
[01:25] <mapps> stupid zentayl done this
[01:25] <dwatkins> changed the port fowarding?
[01:25] <mapps> nope
[01:25] <mapps> since i installed zentyal then tried to remove it all went wrong
[01:26] <mapps> oh my
[01:26] <mapps> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo9W-5MbK00
[01:26] <mapps> 19:12
[01:27] <mapps> the best song ever ..brings back fond memories (only 3ys ago ok)
[01:29] <daftykins> dwatkins: adding things to hosts file to avoid licensing? as in they're blocking stuff phoning home?
[01:38] <mapps> hmm bit confused by bind
[01:39] <mapps> either of you familiar with it?
[01:39] <dwatkins> daftykins: yep
[01:42] <daftykins> i configured some zone files in uni time
[01:42] <daftykins> but i think i got stuff wrong
[01:42] <mapps> :D
[01:43] <daftykins> i think you might have bitten off more than you can chew if you're giving that a whirl at home D:
[01:43] <mapps> heh
[01:43] <neuro> ha
[01:54] <mapps> i was just messing with it daftykins
[01:54] <mapps> setting up alocal caching server
[01:54] <mapps> no need really lol
[01:54] <mapps> argh pesky bt infinity ads..mocking me
[01:54] <mapps> i cant get it..but the house i moved from 3 years ago (1/2 mile away CAN NOW)
[01:54] <mapps> when i was there most i could get was this rubbish 6mbit
[05:48] <mapps> hola
[06:51] <MooDoo> morning mapps sorry miles away then
[06:55] <bashrc> morning
[06:56] <mapps> moning
[07:11] <jussi> anyone know which tz Stuart Langridge resides in?
[07:12] <nigelb> jussi: usually, UK, I believe.
[07:12] <jussi> hrm, I wonder where he is then :/
[07:55] <ali1234> wow, making the applications scope the default? really? why did this take so long?
[07:56] <jussi> ali1234: link?
[07:56] <ali1234> omgubuntu.co.uk
[07:57] <ali1234> i'm reminded of that old quote... to paraphrase: you can always count on ubuntu to do the right thing, after trying everything else.
[07:57] <MartijnVdS> I still don't understand what the difference between a lens and a scope is.
[07:57] <ali1234> a scope is a group of lenses
[07:58] <ali1234> it might be the other way around
[07:58] <ali1234> but say you have a "news" scope
[07:58] <MartijnVdS> I removed a ton of scopes earlier
[07:59] <MartijnVdS> Never use the dash anyway, other than the "run dialog" bit of it (Alt+F2)
[07:59] <ali1234> it will search the bbc news lens, the cnn lens, etc
[07:59] <MartijnVdS> but I have a web browser open.. if I want news I'll use that!
[07:59] <ali1234> you don't need to tell me, i've been saying that since unity was released
[07:59] <ali1234> well, since they added scopes to it
[08:00] <diplo> Morning all
[08:00] <ali1234> the home scope is the worst though, because it searches everything
[08:00] <ali1234> it is entirely possible to have more lenses than there is room for icons on the dash
[08:01] <ali1234> which makes the home scope utterly useless since it just blasts you with one of everything
[08:56] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Bunsen Burner Day! :-D
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> eeeep!
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> meeep?
[09:01] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:03] <jussi> Bunsen Burner Day....
[09:03] <brobostigon> :)
[09:04] <davmor2> jussi: I think JamesTait just makes these up as he goes along, who would you trust near a bunsen burner on a Monday!
[09:05] <jussi> davmor2: maybe thats the point of it... :P
[09:05]  * jussi lights a fire under JamesTait
[09:06] <foobarry> blue flame or yellow flame?
[09:06]  * JamesTait is already on a fast boil this morning.
[09:07] <foobarry> bunsen burners were the first amazing thing i learned in secondary school
[09:11] <jussi> the most fun I had in secondary school science class went either to "Dirty harry" or sodium in puddles on a wet day.... :D
[09:16] <jussi> oh, and Monday morning funnies for you all... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K8_jgiNqUc
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> jussi: your fwiend?
[09:17] <jussi> MartijnVdS: Do you find somefing funny when I say my fwiends name....... Biggus Dickus!?
[09:47] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:50] <popey> yo
[09:52] <DJones> Who'd have thought chosing a new car would be so difficult
[09:54] <popey> blue one!
[09:55] <DJones> Heh, colour isn't high up the list of requirement, as long as its not white
[09:55] <foobarry> colour has influence over likelihood of being in a crash
[09:55] <foobarry> why do so many people choose tarmac grey?
[09:56] <DJones> This is tempting http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201403262816840/sort/default/usedcars/model/octavia/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/postcode/wa76ls/quicksearch/true/page/3/make/skoda/radius/20?logcode=p
[09:56] <foobarry> and then don't turn on their lights in the rain and drive fast?
[09:57] <DJones> foobarry: Thats perhaps why so many cars now seem to have automatic lights
[09:58] <foobarry> mercedes don't even come with indicators :(
[09:58] <DJones> I thought that was BMW's
[09:58] <DJones> or Range Rovers
[09:58] <popey> i haven't had to turn on my lights for 13 years
[09:58] <foobarry> bmw/audi/ercedes
[09:59] <directhex> foobarry, wrong. all mercedes come with indicators in the base spec. but the £3000 optional enhancement pack removes them. and they've never sold a merc without all the overpriced addons
[09:59] <foobarry> the only time i need to turn my lights on is after a service.
[10:02] <DJones> All I want is an EState car, cruise control, decent caravan towing ability, good normal fuel consumption and normal tax bracket, ended up with about 8 different options
[10:02] <foobarry> i have that
[10:02] <foobarry> focus estate tdci
[10:03] <foobarry> i never used the cruise control, was too scared
[10:03] <bigcalm> DJones: 407 sw
[10:03] <bigcalm> My wife doesn't let me use the cruise control, so I use the speed limiter instead
[10:03] <DJones> foobarry: Been warned off the focus by a local mechanic
[10:03] <foobarry> any reason?
[10:04] <DJones> foobarry: Repair costs, said some of the Fords (c-max, mondeo, focus) can cost £1,000 to have a clutch replaced
[10:04] <DJones> bigcalm: Thats one I'm thinking about, how do you find it
[10:05] <bigcalm> DJones: I've had 2 x 406 and 1 x 407. Love them all
[10:05] <bigcalm> DJones: davmor2 also has a 407 sw
[10:06] <bigcalm> DJones: it can get expensive if you get lots of electrical optional extras and some go wrong
[10:06] <DJones> bigcalm: When I was getting my last car I tried a 407 SW and there was something that didn't feel right, but I'm thinking about having another go with one
[10:07] <bigcalm> Nice and quiet, smooth ride, good acceleration, good fuel consumption
[10:08] <bigcalm> Tyers are expensive though as they are classed as "sports"
[10:08] <DJones> bigcalm: Something like this may be an option http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201403272848055/sort/default/usedcars/make/peugeot/price-from/4500/body-type/estate/model/407/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/price-to/9500/page/1/radius/25/postcode/wa76ls?logcode=p
[10:09] <DJones> TYres won't be a problem working at a tyre fitters & getting free tyres
[10:09] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:09] <bigcalm> DJones: damn you :P
[10:10] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:10] <davmor2> bigcalm, DJones: I do indeed and I've had a 406 and a 306 sw they are so comfortable on long and short hauls :)
[10:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: ha mine weren't
[10:11] <DJones> davmor2: bigcalm Thanks for the recommendations anyway, much prefer that to anonymous reviews on wesbites
[10:19] <davmor2> DJones: there are 3 common faults on the 407, the joint on the front wheels due to turning and powering (just wear and tear they just need replacing), the cambelt if you are buying a second hand one just get it replaced it's way way way cheaper, rear wiper arm can seize on earlier models due to steel pin in an aluminium housing
[10:19] <davmor2> 407 sw that is
[10:19] <bigcalm> !info ruby
[10:20] <bigcalm> How does one find out what version a package will be in 14.04?
[10:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: surely this is all you need to know about ruby https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qObzgUfCl28
[10:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: dpkg -l | grep <package_name>, apt-cache policy <package_name>
[10:26] <bigcalm> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/ruby
[10:26] <bigcalm> I googled
[10:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: Open software-center and type in the name
[10:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: :P
[10:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: out of interest why didn't you do that before  asking here :P
[10:28] <bigcalm> davmor2: I wondered if there was a way of getting lubotu3 to inform me
[10:32] <DJones> davmor2: Cheers
[10:34] <directhex> popey, do you know what the likelihood of that google-chrome/lightdm guest session bug being fixed for 14.04 final?
[10:35] <davmor2> DJones: by the way as a tip I aways give change the cambelt, you don't know how the previous driver drove but you can guarantee it wasn't the same as in the test environment that sets the 120,000 miles :)  It's pretty cheap to get done and can save you a fortune
[10:35] <popey> directhex: higher if someone provides a patch.
[10:36] <directhex> i couldn't get it to work, but i don't understand apparmour
[10:36] <popey> oh ☹
[10:36] <DJones> davmor2: Thats true
[10:36] <directhex> popey, just substituting paths didn't seem to do it, must be more to it
[10:37] <bigcalm> I need to book my car in for a replacement front nearside ball joint and front tyers
[10:38] <bigcalm> *grumble*
[10:38] <directhex> i'm in a bloody costa because car is in for service/mot
[10:38] <popey> directhex: were there more apparmor denies in dmesg?
[10:38] <popey> even after adding the additional paths
[10:38] <shauno> "bloody costa" sounds like a tarantino scene :/
[10:38] <directhex> popey, i'd need to check, the box i was working on is in cambridge so it'll have to wait until tomorrow
[10:39] <popey> I'll test here a bit later when I have some time.
[10:40] <directhex> sorry. not many test NUCs here in costa
[10:40] <directhex> i also need to test daniels' lowdpi patch to fix OMGCRAZYHUGE gnome shell on our projector
[10:40] <directhex> xrandr thinks the projector is 16mmx9mm, so detects it as around 3600DPI, so shell does crazy UI scaling
[10:41] <directhex> "Cats are awesome ᵔᴥᵔ" - that's clearly an otter, not a cat
[10:41] <davmor2> DJones: See bigcalm's statement about ball joint for proof of my earlier statement :D
[10:42] <shauno> how big does a gnome have to be before it's just a statue?
[10:43] <directhex> shauno, depends on whether it has a fishing rod and pointy hat
[10:44] <shauno> http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/24000/Fishing-Statue-of-Liberty--24259.jpg  :)
[10:45] <bigcalm> Cute :)
[10:45] <shauno> sorry, this is how I procrastinate :/  I'll be quiet
[10:45] <jussi> directhex: how dare you challenge my cat!
[10:46] <directhex> otter.
[10:46] <directhex> it's a cute otter!
[10:46] <davmor2> directhex: you are clearly wrong it's a teddy bear
[10:48] <directhex> it's clearly shellington sea otter, from the octonauts
[10:50] <jussi> no. its a cat.
[10:50] <jussi> C-A-T
[10:50] <jussi> cat
[10:50] <davmor2> jussi: Teddy Bear
[10:50] <jussi> pffft
[10:50] <davmor2> T-E-D-D-Y B-E-A-R
[10:50] <davmor2> teddy bear
[10:50] <jussi> anyway, anyone seen aquarius recently?
[10:51] <bigcalm> He's been hiding in Brum I think
[10:51] <davmor2> jussi: He moved to brum and has been living in a bar by the sound of it :)
[10:51] <jussi> davmor2: didnt he recently get a job?
[10:52] <davmor2> jussi: there have been some interesting tweets from him
[10:52] <davmor2> jussi: no idea he was working for himself
[11:01] <bigcalm> My SGS3 finally got updated to Android 4.3. Everything is ever so slightly different. Most strange
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: such strange. very difference.
[11:01] <bigcalm> Meme much argh
[11:02] <directhex> i lol'd
[11:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: in kitkat they got rid of SMS it's all in hangouts you think 4.3 is different :P
[11:04] <bigcalm> Joy
[11:04] <jussi> davmor2: I got lazy and just called him :)
[11:05] <popey> so what if you don't use gapps?
[11:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: though that is on the nexus 5
[11:05] <popey> can you no longer to sms?
[11:05] <bigcalm> So my t-mobile contract is up in May. What should my next Android handset be?
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> popey: you can still SMS
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> popey: it's all in the Hangouts app
[11:05] <jussi> popey: there is still the option to use the old app
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> together with Google's hangoutchat stuff
[11:05] <jussi> I still do
[11:05] <popey> ahh
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> jussi: I don't have that option on Nexus 5 I think
[11:05] <davmor2> popey: I think you can manually re-enable sms via a hidden menu somewhere
[11:05] <jussi> MartijnVdS: oh right?  on my samsung you get to choose...
[11:06] <jussi> I keep resisting going to the hangouts appt
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> Hangouts is so amazign though
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> if only more people used it :|
[11:06] <jussi> MartijnVdS: Ive not seen any advantages yet
[11:06] <BigRedS__> I distrust it. It looks like google want to break both XMMP and SMS to no particular end
[11:07] <davmor2> MartijnVdS, popey: https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3441321?hl=en-GB
[11:07] <MartijnVdS> If you have the Hangouts app on Android 4.0 and higher, you can send and receive text messages (SMS and MMS), photos and videos. Remember, your text message rates through your mobile operator still apply.
[11:07] <MartijnVdS> You can send and receive text and multimedia messages in the Hangouts app without being signed in. But if you want to send Hangouts messages or make video calls, you'll need to sign in to a Google account.
[11:07] <MartijnVdS> blah, why did it do that?
[11:08] <BigRedS__> haha
[11:08] <jussi> :D
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> anyway, I *like* the hangouts app for SMS+Hangouts, I don't want to get rid of it :)
[11:08] <BigRedS__> weirdo
[11:15]  * jussi got a free phone today :)
[12:13] <dwatkins> My Clark Kent glasses have arrived.
[12:19] <bigcalm> Jealous
[12:20] <bigcalm> That said, my glasses are rimless. I'd be confused by the black lines
[12:20] <dwatkins> They're effectively just UV filters.
[12:20] <dwatkins> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0063CZWRU/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00
[12:21] <foobarry> :-|
[12:21] <foobarry> you wear them for fun?
[12:21] <foobarry> no enlargement/focusing going on?
[12:21] <dwatkins> yes; no
[12:21] <jussi> I cannot imagine why people would wear glasses for fun....
[12:21] <bigcalm> Me either
[12:22] <dwatkins> well, actually I got them so I can have the fan on my desk switched on without my eyes drying out
[12:22] <bigcalm> Though I do like wearing mine and seeing people wear glasses.
[12:22] <bigcalm> But unless they are doing a corrective operation, I feel like they are mocking those who _need_ glasses
[12:23] <dwatkins> hmm, that had not occurred to me
[12:23] <dwatkins> then again, I used to need glasses
[12:23] <bigcalm> If you have a need, then that's cool :)
[12:23] <awilkins> I wear a pair of +1D reading glasses in a preventative capacity sometimes
[12:23] <dwatkins> I think I'm 2.5 diopters short-sighted
[12:24] <dwatkins> at least I was once
[12:24] <foobarry> i have no idea
[12:24] <awilkins> I get a little shortsighted if I read close-to for long periods ; +1 lenses move that focal point to infinity which has the same effect as a long walk outside but I can keep working...
[12:26] <awilkins> Plus I think the fact that it acts like a pair of blinders (can't focus on the periphery and the working field simultaneously anymore) means I focus better
[12:27] <dwatkins> yeah, I do get easily distracted by things in my peripheral vision
[12:28] <dwatkins> I would move to a window seat if there was one, as then I wouldn't have people walking past all the time
[12:30] <jussi> I cant see things in the distance - I love having 30day contact lenses
[13:09] <DJones> I've just got new glasses, big change in the prescription this time and going from distance to reading range is driving me mad
[13:26] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... latest post from Mark Shuttleworth talks all about IAAS. I fired IAAS into search & found 2 main choices... http://readwrite.com/2013/05/08/explained-saas-iaas-paas-infographic & http://www.iaasworld.org/joomla/ ...
[13:26] <SuperEngineer> Dear Mark, perhaps not using pure abbreviation all the time would be helpful ;)
[13:27] <popey> I = Infrastructure
[13:27] <SuperEngineer> yup
[13:27] <foobarry> I Am A Shuttleworth
[13:28] <SuperEngineer> my brain guessed that one - just found it funny trhat the other choice was "less than useful" ;)
[13:28] <SuperEngineer> *that
[13:29] <SuperEngineer> I Am A Sausage
[13:29] <foobarry> I AM ASTRONAUT SUCKERS!
[13:30] <SuperEngineer> cool!
[13:37]  * SuperEngineer used the astronaut bit as the final clincher in convincing someone to use Ubuntu
[13:38] <SuperEngineer> You wanna use software from Skynet or you wanna use software from an an astronaut?   :D
[13:39] <dwatkins> They use Linux on the ISS, don't they?
[13:41] <SuperEngineer> I think they do - & a pet robot [which is probably running some sort of ditto]
[13:42] <dwatkins> "we are go for main engine start" ... "Wait! My laptop is installing Windows updates!"
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> Unlikely, ISS would be using XP, which won't gte any more updates soon :
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> :P
[13:43] <dwatkins> The horror...
[13:43] <popey> they recently migrated from windows to linux for many of their laptops
[13:43] <popey> someone brought a virus on board a while back
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> that's not something you'd want
[13:43] <popey> longest travelled computer virus I'd imagine
[13:43] <popey> you wouldn't want to claim that accolade tho
[13:44] <dwatkins> given that they have internet access, it's only a matter of time before that is commonplace if they were to continue using Windows.
[13:45] <SuperEngineer> So all those periods spent by thew early astronauts in isolation chambers were needed.  Yikes, there are viruses in space [who'd have guseed]
[13:47] <SuperEngineer> If a Windows virus survives re-entry.... the horror!
[13:48] <SuperEngineer> If a Linux virus survives re-entry... see, told you our viruses are better than your viruses ;)
[13:53] <popey> they only have internet access for a fraction of the day and it's really slow apparently
[13:54] <foobarry> the internet access is deliverd by post?
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> http://www.tested.com/science/space/449539-how-fast-isss-internet-and-other-space-questions-answered/
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> "The Internet connection uses the Ku-band, which delivers throughput around 10Mbit/sec down and 3Mbit/sec up from the station--roughly equivalent to a home Internet connection."
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> "The latency will undoubtedly be worse though, as the signal has to make a couple of round trips to geosynchronous orbit and back."
[13:58] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... if only someone invent an autonomous flying machine to catch internet signals  - maybe even give it a boring name like, oh, let me think... "drone".  ;)
[14:19]  * SuperEngineer is planning favourite food SEBC [sausage, eggs, beans & chips] tonight - thinking of stepping the overclocking back up - to save me cooking the eggs on the cooker ;)
[14:31]  * SuperEngineer is now a happy bunny http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/31/world/asia/japan-whale-hunt/
[14:37]  * awilkins has a delicious whale steak for dinner
[14:37]  * awilkins is actually having left over Kung Pao Chicken
[14:38] <mapps> aegh
[14:38] <mapps> got too drunk again
[14:38] <mapps> same routine as normal
[14:44] <SuperEngineer> mapps: that reminds me. I'm on leave!!! Time to open a bottle! Thanks
[14:45] <bashrc> has someone found a linux virus?
[14:46] <mapps> :)
[14:47] <mapps> i planned to have a few
[14:47] <mapps> few ended up few more than planned
[14:47] <mapps> 6 cans at home..then went casino manager gets me a free drink and i endup staying till the end
[14:47] <mapps> only planned on having 4 or so
[14:51] <SuperEngineer> mapps: that's technically called an "oh-oh" - a.k.a. "WHOOPS!" - a.k.a "helpme!"
[14:53] <mapps> :D
[14:54] <mapps> at least i didnt buy some cigs
[14:54] <mapps> often decide to buy some and pay 9.50 a pack..when i dont even smoke anymore lol
[15:01] <SuperEngineer> "A leading neuroscientist has suggested that attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) is ''not a real disease''."
[15:01] <SuperEngineer> LISTEN TO ME
[15:02] <SuperEngineer> ....sorry what did I just say... I'm not paying attention
[15:02] <SuperEngineer> ;)(
[15:02] <mapps> heh
[15:03] <SuperEngineer> "A leading SuperEngineer has suggested that Ubuntu deficit hyperactivity disorder (UDHD) is ''not a real disease''."
[15:04] <SuperEngineer> In fact the "leading" scientist has proved this is often "cured" by superdrug "TestTheBeta"
[15:14] <daftykins> breaky breaky packages await
[15:23] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: "packages awaity"... surely ;)
[15:24] <daftykins> you raise a fine point there
[15:24] <daftykins> a sea shanty it shall be
[15:26]  * SuperEngineer sings "ooooh... who lives in a bubble under the sea... Sponge Bob Squarepants"
[15:26] <SuperEngineer> [soorry - couldn't resist
[15:45] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/620311-hp-255-g1-laptop-h6q17ea
[15:47] <daftykins> AMD E1 :S
[15:48] <popey> Ubuntu \o/
[15:48] <daftykins> oh i didn't even see that XD
[15:53] <awilkins> It's a pineapple, isn't it?
[15:53] <daftykins> huh?
[15:53] <awilkins> That Spongebob Squarepants lives in
[15:54] <awilkins> "Who lives in a pineapple under the sea"
[15:55] <daftykins> don't mention fruit around SuperMatt
[15:55] <daftykins> oops sorry SuperMatt i meant SuperEngineer
[15:55] <mapps> :)
[15:55] <mapps> off tonight too
[15:56] <mapps> 95% sure itll be a repeat of yesterday:D
[15:56] <daftykins> lol
[15:57] <daftykins> take note everyone, mapps is getting legless - stay idle on IRC tonight!
[15:57] <mapps> lol
[15:57] <mapps> whats that mean?
[15:57] <mapps> il be going out at some point :)
[15:58] <daftykins> ;D
[15:59] <mapps> just deciding what to buy when i do my shopping ... strongbow dark fruits/strongbow citrus .... Heineken or maybe some Zubrowka
[15:59] <daftykins> how was the strongbow citrus?
[15:59] <mapps> its ok
[15:59] <mapps> but
[16:00] <mapps> nothing great..just made a change
[16:00]  * awilkins shuns flavoured brewed drinks
[16:00] <mapps> i prefer strongbow darkfruit
[16:00] <mapps> BUT
[16:00] <mapps> its like drinking a bag of sugar..gotta be really bad lol
[16:00] <mapps> its so damn sweet
[16:00] <awilkins> Weston's
[16:00] <awilkins> Cider that tastes like someone fermented some apple juice.
[16:00] <mapps> but i loved vimto when i was younger..so no surprise i like strongbow dark fruit
[16:00] <mapps> i bought 8 somersby this moning
[16:01] <mapps> had stella cidre last night..thats not too bad..bit sweet though even for me
[16:01] <mapps> stoli vanilla's ok too
[16:02] <mapps> had a bottle of stoli vanilla on thursday with pepsi..really nice
[16:04] <mapps> ooh i know
[16:04] <mapps> eristoff black or gold..i do like that..weak vodka like 20% but flavoured
[16:06] <daftykins> on my weekly restaurant jaunts i've been having pints of an ale called 'wonkey donkey' of late :D it's hilarious 'cause us Guernsey people are nicknamed donkeys
[16:06] <daftykins> so a wonkey donkey i do become
[16:06] <mapps> heh
[16:06] <mapps> donkeys? whys tat your nickname
[16:06] <awilkins> Stella Cidre is nasty. So many nasty nasty processed drinkies.
[16:07] <mapps> yea
[16:07] <mapps> its quite sweet
[16:07] <mapps> i like
[16:07] <mapps> Brothers/Magners/Bulmers
[16:07] <daftykins> apparently it's because we're stubborn
[16:07] <mapps> i love brothers toffee apple
[16:07] <awilkins> That reminds me to get some nice tonic water
[16:07] <awilkins> That isn't full of saccharin
[16:07] <mapps> so nice...but again cant drink too many gets sickly
[16:07] <mapps> maybe 6 or so
[16:07] <awilkins> A harder task than you might imagine
[16:09] <mapps> i was talking to a guy iknow at the casino yesterday (employee)
[16:09] <mapps> he said he earns like 900quid after tax..how can you live on that
[16:09] <mapps> and for working nights? surely thats like literally minimum wage
[16:10] <mapps> i thought it was standard to be paid more for nights
[18:28] <SuperMatt> lols my apport has crashed and I can't close it!
[18:45] <mapps> 125 quid for tickets to the atp finals
[18:45] <mapps> is that a lot? how much is normal tennis
[19:16] <diplo> evening all
[19:18] <bashrc> trying to get a startSSL certificate
[19:18] <bashrc> I gave in and got a cheap domain name
[19:18] <neuro> I think the interface to startssl is a prototype of 2048
[19:19] <bashrc> something like that
[19:19] <neuro> i just get mine from gandi
[19:19] <bashrc> so hopefully if all goes well then I may be able to experiment with pump.io frederation and Red Matrix
[19:20] <neuro> "pump"
[19:53] <foobarry> anyone gonna try zram in kernel 3.14?
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> OpenWRT can use it apparently
[19:55] <directhex> zram?
[19:56] <bashrc> foobarry: yes maybe
[19:56] <popey> zram has existed for ages hasn't it?
[19:56] <foobarry> are you thinking of the other one
[19:56] <bashrc> 3.13 seems to be working ok for now though
[19:56] <foobarry> zswap
[19:56] <popey> I used it on arm ages ago
[19:57] <directhex> ramdoubler!
[19:57] <foobarry> http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.14#head-72b295b09fea85de2e80f0b7850048264fed887e
[19:57] <foobarry> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18437205/difference-between-zram-and-zswap
[19:58] <foobarry> still don't understand the difference after reading that
[19:58] <foobarry> i think zswap strives to reduce swap i/o and zram strive to reduce swappage
[19:59] <diddledan> foobarry: zswap compresses on-disk, zram compresses in-memory
[19:59] <foobarry> in any case, time to conisder as chrome zaps my 8gb RAM
[20:00] <diddledan> oh maybe I'm wrong
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> the interesting point is LZO, because it's so fast at decompression
[20:00] <diddledan> the answer on the stack overflow suggests that zswap also does it inmemory
[20:00] <foobarry> zram less likely to use swap device though
[20:00] <ali1234> they both technically use swap, because pages can't be compressed unless they have been swapped out
[20:01] <ali1234> swap itself can be on a ramdisk though
[20:03] <diddledan> zram can't page to disk in addition to compressing in-memory?
[20:03] <ali1234> it uses a ramdisk
[20:03] <diddledan> (according to a SO answer)
[20:04] <diddledan> ali1234: I mean when the ramdisk is full it can't page out colder items to physical disk allowing for hot objects to remain inmemory
[20:05] <diddledan> i.e. you can't back the zram with a swapfile
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: you can add both zram and a swapfile though
[20:05] <diddledan> memory -> compressed zram -> swap
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: and give zram a higher priority
[20:05] <ali1234> zram doesn't integrate with the swap system directly
[20:05] <ali1234> it just gives you a ramdisk disk with transparent compression
[20:05] <foobarry> yso how to implement it on your system?
[20:05] <ali1234> you can use it as a swap device
[20:06] <diddledan> oic, so you overlay the zram with a swap filesystem?
[20:06] <diddledan> combining two independant mechanisms
[20:07] <ali1234> yeah
[20:08] <ali1234> zswap is integrated with the swap system and acts as a page cache, also compressed
[20:08] <foobarry> is there a howto for it?
[20:08] <diddledan> well that's more unixy than I tend to give modern linux the credit for (*cough* systemd, the one daemon to rule them all *cough*)
[20:08] <ali1234> stop whinging about systemd, it is good
[20:14] <diddledan> yey dropbox isn't secret :-) http://grahamcluley.com/2014/03/dropbox-privacy/
[20:16] <foobarry> diddledan: what does the eula say about copyrighted material?
[20:17] <diddledan> afaicr it is just boilerplate stating "don't do it!"
[20:18] <shauno> not sure why everyone's making a big deal outta that.  it's a well-understood mechanism by now
[20:25] <foobarry> i have 2gb ram in this laptop, zram could help me
[20:25] <foobarry> what will 14.04 run?
[20:26] <popey> Linux deep-thought 3.13.0-19-generic #40-Ubuntu SMP Mon Mar 24 02:36:06 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:26] <popey> is what my laptop has
[20:26] <popey> but it's 3.13 with some stuff backported from 3.14 I believe
[20:49] <mapps> lol at the sky ad
[20:49] <mapps> sky shield
[20:49] <mapps> protects you from internet baddies
[20:49] <mapps> so samuel l jackson tells me!
[20:49] <diddledan> mapps: aka censorship
[20:50] <mapps> yes
[20:50] <mapps> :D
[20:50] <mapps> which is garbage
[20:50] <diddledan> I tried to explain this issue to my family. they don't understand why it is such an important issue
[20:50] <mapps> i understand there's pedos and the like putting filth online but if these people were dealt with to begin with they wouldn't be able to do anything online
[20:51] <mapps> but thats another issue
[20:51] <mapps> surprised MPs aren't worried..how many MPs have been done for child porn and the like now? sickening
[20:51] <diddledan> lol
[20:52] <mapps> the keys education not censorship
[21:03] <bashrc> mapps: protects you from real information more like
[21:04] <bashrc> censorship and control are two sides of the same coin
[21:05] <bashrc> MPs would have loved to "protect" the public from information about their expenses
[21:07] <diddledan> bashrc: hence the problem we're now in, because if they wanted to they can
[21:08] <diddledan> I like Andrews and Arnolds' method of not implementing the great british firewall
[21:09] <diddledan> "do you want censored intenret?" "yes" "sorry, not here, buddy, we only do uncensored internet"
[21:10] <diddledan> see the "Active Choice" section on this page: https://order.aa.net.uk/h1order.cgi
[21:11] <diddledan> speaking of which, I probably need to turn off the great british firewall of china
[21:14] <diddledan> oh, that's good news from the sky broadband tho - they now let you have a static ip on their "pro" package
[21:14] <diddledan> they're trying to retain the bethere.co.uk users that haven't jumped ship yet
[21:17] <diddledan> ok, the sky shield gives three options: "PG: blocks online gaming, social networking, forums and other sites unsuitable for under 18s"; "13: allows online gaming and social networking and forums but blocks other sites unsuitable for under18s"; and, "18: allows sites suitable for over 18s but BLOCKS ACCESS TO SITES containing phishing and malware" <-- so there's no always-off setting
[21:18] <diddledan> aah, you have to click through to the FAQ page and find the answer with a link to turn off the shield completely
[21:22] <diddledan> ooh, brown-out
[21:22] <diddledan> split second. but my UPS fired up
[21:54] <popey> can anyone else reproduce bug 1300457 on 14.04?
[21:54] <popey> oh, bum - https://plus.google.com/u/0/109365858706205035322/posts/65w9mM8sTox that
[22:09] <diddledan> popey: it seems that esprima gets caught in an infinite loop on install?
[22:09] <diddledan> it's sitting there not doing much on mine
[22:10] <popey> hmm
[22:10] <popey> it does spin for a while then barfs
[22:10] <diddledan> I would suggest infinite loop - it's using 100% CPU time and around 15%memory at the moment
[22:12] <popey> aq suggested i use npm from ppa rather than repo
[22:14] <diddledan> still spinning away
[22:14] <diddledan> just jumpet from 17% mem usage to 34% on the NPM process
[22:14] <diddledan> jumped*
[22:15] <diddledan> up to 70%
[22:16] <diddledan> I'm guessing it'll just eat memory until OOM-killer comes along
[22:17] <diddledan> I think processes murdering other processes should be illegal. especially having one sent to do the murdering by a colonel in the military
[22:18] <diddledan> and yups, the OOM-murderer came out of hiding