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| knome | morning elfy | 06:17 |
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| jhenke | morning folks | 08:32 |
| elfy | hi jhenke | 08:33 |
| jhenke | elfy just out of curiosity, from which part of the world/time zone are you? | 10:03 |
| knome | UTC+0000 | 10:04 |
| jhenke | UK? | 10:05 |
| knome | yep. | 10:05 |
| elfy | I did that without typing :p | 10:07 |
| jhenke | okay, working at cononical or just to uk based? | 10:07 |
| elfy | I drive a van for a living ;) | 10:07 |
| jhenke | okay | 10:08 |
| jhenke | too bad kernel 3.14 got released so late, I thought 14.04 might use it | 10:16 |
| ochosi | ahoj | 10:28 |
| elfy | hi ochosi | 10:28 |
| lderan | hello :) | 10:31 |
| davmor2 | elfy: I used to drive a Lorry for a Living :) | 10:31 |
| elfy | davmor2: :) | 10:31 |
| elfy | I used to wire planes for a living | 10:32 |
| elfy | didn't fly them though :p | 10:33 |
| lderan | still cool tho | 10:33 |
| davmor2 | jhenke: most canonical employees are not based in the uk | 10:36 |
| davmor2 | jhenke: there are more in the americas and mainland europe | 10:36 |
| brainwash | elfy: bug 1299286 | 10:37 |
| ubottu | bug 1299286 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Display performance regression in Xubuntu 13.10 and 14.04 as VirtualBox guest" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1299286 | 10:37 |
| brainwash | comment #2 | 10:38 |
| davmor2 | elfy: I have delivered steel for a living then worked for a builder merchant then moved on to deliver gas bottles for them that was heavy work though | 10:38 |
| jhenke | davmor2 thanks, good to know, but I do not want to get too much into offtopic, now that so many people are alive here | 10:38 |
| davmor2 | then my shoulder went and now I work on computers | 10:39 |
| davmor2 | jhenke: they are all alive :P | 10:39 |
| brainwash | ochosi: hey, we need to fix the session wallpaper problem asap | 10:41 |
| bluesabre | catfish 1.0.2-2 accepted into unstable :) | 10:43 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: what's new? | 10:44 |
| bluesabre | Python3 instead of 2 | 10:44 |
| bluesabre | https://bugs.launchpad.net/catfish-search/+bug/1280607 | 10:44 |
| ochosi | brainwash: what session wallpaper problem? | 10:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1280607 in Catfish "Case insensitive search for non english file names doesn't work" [Undecided,In progress] | 10:44 |
| brainwash | but doesn't this break the zeitgeist integration? | 10:44 |
| bluesabre | it does | 10:45 |
| bluesabre | but zeitgeist is only used for instant suggestions | 10:45 |
| bluesabre | and it was only in suggests, so never auto-pulled | 10:45 |
| brainwash | ok, I somehow doubt that anyone will complain about catfish not utilizing zeitgeit anymore :) | 10:46 |
| bluesabre | right | 10:47 |
| bluesabre | but yeah, which session wallpaper problem | 10:47 |
| bluesabre | and have we figured out the source of the problem? | 10:47 |
| * ochosi was away and doesn't even have a clue | 10:48 | |
| brainwash | xfdesktop not picking the wallpaper which we define in our xfce4-desktop.xml (xubuntu-default-settings) | 10:48 |
| brainwash | so it falls back to the default Xfce one | 10:48 |
| brainwash | both wallpapers display a mouse in the centre... so no big deal, or? :D | 10:49 |
| bluesabre | is there a bug for this item? | 10:50 |
| ochosi | so what's the problem with the session? | 10:50 |
| bluesabre | session wallpaper is xfce wallpaper, not xubuntu one | 10:50 |
| jhenke | zeitgeist, what a stupid name for such a software (at least for German speakers)... | 10:50 |
| ochosi | jhenke: +1 | 10:50 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: right, it sounded like it was a bug in xfce4-session. but afaik that one doesn't handle wallpapers | 10:51 |
| brainwash | zeitgeist is a well known term in the english language | 10:51 |
| brainwash | ochosi: it's xfdesktop | 10:51 |
| ochosi | yeah, even in english it's a bit misleading to what the service does though | 10:51 |
| ochosi | brainwash: have you debugged that a little already? | 10:52 |
| knome | brainwash, bug 1297170 | 10:52 |
| ubottu | bug 1297170 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Live Session starts with XFCE wallpaper/install uses same" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297170 | 10:52 |
| knome | brainwash, bug 1284910 might be related as well | 10:53 |
| ubottu | bug 1284910 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu Beta 1 and Beta 2 installer has debian background wallpaper" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1284910 | 10:53 |
| ochosi | i mean is it a simple bug in our x-d-s file? | 10:53 |
| knome | but might not | 10:53 |
| ochosi | (that should be easy to verify if you have a brand new setup, which i can't try right now) | 10:53 |
| brainwash | I've checked the code a bit and talked to eric, it should work fine according to him, if we switch back the 4.10 config style (xfce4-desktop.xml) | 10:53 |
| bluesabre | ah | 10:54 |
| brainwash | but the 4.10 config style does not work for me either | 10:54 |
| bluesabre | didn't ali1234 mention something like that | 10:54 |
| bluesabre | where we need to use the old config and let xfce upgrade it? | 10:54 |
| bluesabre | for something or another | 10:54 |
| brainwash | I guess so | 10:54 |
| brainwash | xfdesktop is able to migrate the config file | 10:54 |
| ochosi | that's odd though, why does providing a correct config file not work? | 10:55 |
| bluesabre | I'll look into it tonight if nobody beats me to it | 10:55 |
| bluesabre | gotta run, bbl | 10:55 |
| ochosi | ttyl bluesabre | 10:55 |
| jhenke | cu bluesabre | 10:55 |
| brainwash | it isn't correct, we define "monitor0", but in most cases xfdesktop will use and lock for the actual monitor name like "monitor-HDMI12454" | 10:56 |
| brainwash | and therefore create a new entry in the user config file | 10:56 |
| ochosi | ah, i see | 10:56 |
| brainwash | the old config style should work, but it does not for me | 10:57 |
| eric_the_idiot | do you have a link to the old file? | 10:57 |
| brainwash | eric_the_idiot: hello :D | 10:57 |
| eric_the_idiot | hi | 10:57 |
| ochosi | you mean the old config file? | 10:58 |
| brainwash | https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xubuntu-default-settings/xfdesktop_background | 10:58 |
| ochosi | yup, that's the change of config basically | 10:59 |
| brainwash | so we've added the "workspace" property | 10:59 |
| bluesabre | https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/view/head:/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-desktop.xml | 11:00 |
| ochosi | andrzejr_,ali1234: fwiw, the gtk3 app-indicators are resized correctly now in xfce (no cut edges anymore with e.g. the skype icon) | 11:09 |
| ochosi | knome: but isn't that second bug you linked to a direct problem in ubiquity? | 11:10 |
| ochosi | i mean bug 1284910 | 11:10 |
| ubottu | bug 1284910 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu Beta 1 and Beta 2 installer has debian background wallpaper" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1284910 | 11:10 |
| ochosi | as ubiquity draws the wallpaper itself | 11:10 |
| ochosi | and the file is there | 11:10 |
| brainwash | bad luck, we fail to display the correct wallpaper in two different apps :D | 11:11 |
| ochosi | not sure whether that's really us | 11:14 |
| ochosi | the ubiquity issue i really don't understand at all | 11:14 |
| ochosi | i hope that xnox or someone more involved with ubiquity will be able to shed some light... | 11:14 |
| eric_the_idiot | So I changed the perchannel-xml file to the 4.10 thing, killed xfdesktop, reset/deleted all the xfconf properties, restarted and it worked. | 11:21 |
| eric_the_idiot | http://paste.ubuntu.com/7184369/ is the logs from xfdesktop with --enable-debug=full | 11:21 |
| brainwash | eric_the_idiot: I'll test it again | 11:26 |
| brainwash | eric_the_idiot: http://lpaste.net/102056 | 12:03 |
| brainwash | oh | 12:05 |
| brainwash | image-path vs. image-last | 12:05 |
| brainwash | ochosi: can you revert the x-d-s change? | 12:06 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i suggest you do a merge-request based on your findings that reverts the current version to one that works | 12:10 |
| ochosi | i still can't push to xubuntu-default-settings, so it doesn't make any sense if you describe your changes and then i do the MR (it's just more work that way) | 12:11 |
| brainwash | ochosi: can I remove the branches from bug 1271713 ? | 12:12 |
| ubottu | bug 1271713 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xubuntu 14.04 trusty thar desktop wallpapers selection shows empty" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271713 | 12:12 |
| brainwash | the problem has been fixed in xfdesktop 4.11.4 | 12:12 |
| ochosi | brainwash: yup, feel free to unlink those | 12:22 |
| brainwash | ochosi: ok :) | 12:23 |
| ochosi | brainwash: don't forget to do the merge-request for your branch | 13:15 |
| brainwash | ochosi: done | 13:22 |
| brainwash | ochosi: bug 1296992 | 13:22 |
| ubottu | bug 1296992 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Leftover conffile" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1296992 | 13:22 |
| brainwash | I guess we should fix this too | 13:23 |
| brainwash | or if not, close the report | 13:24 |
| ochosi | huhu, mr_pouit is reporting bugs now instead of fixing them :) | 13:24 |
| elfy | :) | 13:25 |
| ochosi | quite ballsy, being one of the two ppl who can actually push to xubuntu-default-settings | 13:26 |
| knome | better than nothing, eh? | 13:26 |
| ochosi | sure | 13:26 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i'm a bit too busy with other things this week, i can't really take on additional bugreports | 13:27 |
| ochosi | if you can look into it, that'd be great | 13:27 |
| brainwash | so it is a problem we want to fix? | 13:27 |
| ochosi | well i don't consider it a huge problem | 13:29 |
| ochosi | it only affects those that are already on 14.04 | 13:29 |
| ochosi | at least if i understood it correctly | 13:29 |
| brainwash | yes | 13:30 |
| brainwash | ochosi: mmh, micahg should know how to do it properly | 13:40 |
| ochosi | light-locker* got sponsored | 13:57 |
| brainwash | eric_the_idiot: do you plan to release xfdesktop 4.11.5 soon? would be great if we could ship a version without all the additional patches from git/master :) | 14:25 |
| brainwash | knome: can you please comment on bug 1299286 ? | 15:05 |
| ubottu | bug 1299286 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Display performance regression in Xubuntu 13.10 and 14.04 as VirtualBox guest" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1299286 | 15:05 |
| brainwash | the reporter requests a change in the documentation | 15:05 |
| brainwash | (comment #2) | 15:06 |
| lenny | Hello! I'm trying out the 14.04 beta, is there a reason why the icons on the upper left corner is so large? | 15:48 |
| brainwash | lenny: hi there, which icons exactly? | 15:54 |
| lenny | brainwash, if you choose to have the numix look | 15:54 |
| lenny | settings -> window manager -> numix | 15:55 |
| brainwash | the new default size for desktop icons is or will be 48px | 15:55 |
| brainwash | so you mean the icons in the window decoration? | 15:56 |
| lenny | Is it because I have a low resolution screen then? | 15:56 |
| lenny | brainwash, yes | 15:56 |
| brainwash | not sure, can you upload a screenshot? | 15:56 |
| lenny | sure, sec | 15:57 |
| brainwash | ochosi might have an explanation | 15:57 |
| lenny | http://i.imgur.com/0eaPLSc.png | 15:58 |
| brainwash | oh, that is indeed rather big | 15:59 |
| brainwash | lenny: you could file a bug report against "shimmer-themes" | 16:03 |
| brainwash | and/or wait until ochosi returns | 16:04 |
| lenny | on launch-pad? | 16:04 |
| brainwash | yes, or directly here https://github.com/shimmerproject/Numix | 16:07 |
| lenny | k, filed it at github | 16:14 |
| lenny | Another question, what was the name of the old menu (the one replaced with whisker-menu)? | 16:15 |
| brainwash | lenny: thanks :) | 16:15 |
| brainwash | application menu | 16:15 |
| knome | brainwash, looks like something we could mention on the release notes, but wouldn't want to push for a docs change in 14.04; 14.04.1 is different again | 16:18 |
| knome | brainwash, updated the bug. | 16:20 |
| knome | not sure if it's a bug in -meta at all.. | 16:20 |
| knome | bbl | 16:20 |
| brainwash | knome: thanks, I assume that this only affects very few people anyway | 16:20 |
| brainwash | ali1234: bug 1300277 | 16:25 |
| ubottu | bug 1300277 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "monitor names incorrect in dual monitor setup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1300277 | 16:25 |
| brainwash | you've created an upstream report some time ago, it does address this issue, correct? | 16:25 |
| jhenke | whoever asked earlier, xfdesktop 4.11.5 got released | 17:38 |
| ali1234 | brainwash: yes | 18:45 |
| Noskcaj | So the day my xfdesktop git-patches branch gets accepted, 4.11.5 comes out anyway | 19:05 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj: sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you... | 19:06 |
| ochosi | have the patches been sponsored/uploaded yet? | 19:07 |
| Noskcaj | yep | 19:07 |
| brainwash | Noskcaj: :D | 19:09 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre, You didn't need to make catfish a "team upload". Your a maintainer of it | 19:10 |
| Noskcaj | *you're | 19:10 |
| brainwash | without upload/merge rights everything seems so sloooow | 19:15 |
| Noskcaj | brainwash, But syncing catfish worked, so i'm happy | 19:17 |
| brainwash | hooray :) | 19:17 |
| brainwash | Noskcaj: btw, I've just attached the patch files to the abiword reports, did not want to bother with properly packaging it | 19:21 |
| Noskcaj | I can try and package it. but i think you should learn how to | 19:22 |
| brainwash | yeah, but I would prefer a new debian release | 19:22 |
| brainwash | because there are more fixes for the stable branch | 19:23 |
| Noskcaj | Then email the maintainer, a lot | 19:23 |
| brainwash | but I don't do debian, so far I've only reported 1 bug to the debian guys | 19:25 |
| brainwash | maybe I should stop avoiding debian | 19:27 |
| Noskcaj | can't hurt | 19:31 |
| lenny | brainwash: I switched my desktop from debian to 14.04 today :D | 19:32 |
| brainwash | lenny: why that? | 19:32 |
| lenny | A couple of reasons, 1. DPM for my radeon card still didn't work with the 3.13 kernel and I was tiered of the fans running at full speed. So if I forfeit my freedom why bother. 2. Other small issues like sometimes freezing at the login screen and other small annoyances | 19:34 |
| Justanick | Hello, is it useful, that an upgrade from the last LTS did not remove the | 19:35 |
| Justanick | linux-image-generic-lts-quantal | 19:35 |
| Justanick | linux-headers-generic-lts-quantal | 19:36 |
| Justanick | packages? | 19:36 |
| Justanick | Also the new gcc is not added to update-alternatives | 19:39 |
| Justanick | Still showing the old gcc 4.6 | 19:39 |
| brainwash | lenny: ah ok | 19:41 |
| brainwash | Justanick: ask in #ubuntu-devel about the leftover kernel files | 19:42 |
| brainwash | and gcc too :) | 19:42 |
| Justanick | brainwash: I will do it now. ;) | 19:43 |
| lenny | by the way, brainwash, they were fast to respond on the github page :) https://github.com/shimmerproject/Numix/issues/115 | 19:50 |
| lenny | thanks for the tip | 19:50 |
| brainwash | oh wow, that was very fast indeed | 19:51 |
| brainwash | but a possible fix might not land in 14.04 | 19:52 |
| lenny | :'( | 19:54 |
| brainwash | you will to file a launchpad report against shimmer-themes and hope that the fix finds its way into 14.04 | 19:55 |
| brainwash | other than that, just use the git version :) | 19:55 |
| lenny | Can you guide me through filing a launchpad report? I've just made an account | 20:05 |
| elfy | lenny: for shimmer-themes do ubuntu-bug shimmer-themes in a terminal | 20:06 |
| lenny | elfy: thanks | 20:08 |
| lenny | Does this contain enough information? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1300422 | 20:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1300422 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "Numix theme icons too large" [Undecided,New] | 20:12 |
| brainwash | lenny: should be enough, but the bug report title is a bit vague :) | 20:17 |
| elfy | not that it matters much given the link to the issue on shimmerprojects :) | 20:20 |
| brainwash | :P | 20:20 |
| lenny | what themes do you guys use? | 20:26 |
| elfy | I just use what is default mostly | 20:27 |
| ali1234 | i use orion | 20:30 |
| jhenke | Intially I used Greybird, but recently prefering Albatross and sometimes Bluebird | 20:32 |
| jhenke | the nice thing is that Xubuntu really comes with several nice themes and changing is easy | 20:32 |
| jhenke | so I sometimes change after some days, keeping the experience fresh | 20:33 |
| jhenke | good night | 20:36 |
| lenny | good night jhenke | 20:36 |
| brainwash | can anyone confirm this? 1. create a new folder and a new file on the desktop 2. move the file into the folder 3. file icon glitches | 20:40 |
| elfy | I installed 13.10 to look at that - couldn't confirm it | 20:41 |
| elfy | meant to go and leave a note | 20:41 |
| brainwash | 13.10? | 20:41 |
| brainwash | I'm confused | 20:42 |
| elfy | yea - I assume you're talking about bug 1300398 | 20:42 |
| ubottu | bug 1300398 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Thunar don't refresh directory on content change" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1300398 | 20:42 |
| brainwash | no | 20:42 |
| brainwash | https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10785 | 20:42 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10785 in General "Moving a file/folder to a different location does not clear the file icon" [Normal,New] | 20:42 |
| elfy | hang on I'll check now | 20:42 |
| elfy | dragging it into the folder? | 20:43 |
| brainwash | yes | 20:43 |
| brainwash | so that the file should vanish from the desktop | 20:43 |
| elfy | I can only ever get that to copy not move :) | 20:43 |
| brainwash | so it's still there? | 20:44 |
| brainwash | on the desktop | 20:44 |
| elfy | mmm | 20:44 |
| elfy | can't even get it to do that now ... | 20:44 |
| brainwash | describe what you see :D | 20:44 |
| elfy | aaaah | 20:45 |
| elfy | ok - got the file icon on the desktop - open thunar and go look - not there :) | 20:45 |
| elfy | and this time with a new folder and new file it moved it | 20:46 |
| brainwash | very odd | 20:46 |
| elfy | but I've been seeing that for an age - just assumed it was copying and not moving :) | 20:47 |
| elfy | commenting in the bug | 20:48 |
| brainwash | aaaah, so you opened ~/Desktop in thunar? | 20:49 |
| elfy | as well | 20:49 |
| brainwash | and the file was not there, but still visible on the desktop? | 20:49 |
| elfy | to see what was going on - but I didn't actually do anything in thunar | 20:49 |
| elfy | yep | 20:49 |
| brainwash | great | 20:49 |
| elfy | I'll get a screenie if you want | 20:50 |
| brainwash | and if you try to delete the file on the desktop, it will tell you that it cannot find the file anymore | 20:50 |
| * pleia2 did think it was odd that gema wouldn't just submit a bug | 20:50 | |
| elfy | sigh | 20:53 |
| brainwash | thanks for commenting | 20:54 |
| elfy | I didn't - I attached the screenie and it lost the comment :| | 20:54 |
| brainwash | oh | 20:54 |
| brainwash | one picture is worth ten thousand words | 20:55 |
| elfy | commented this time :) | 20:56 |
| elfy | brainwash: and I had purged your ppa - so am back to standard | 20:56 |
| brainwash | so the system freeze is back? | 20:57 |
| elfy | yea - but I know that it's fixable now - so it doesn't annoy me as much :) | 20:58 |
| brainwash | nice | 20:58 |
| elfy | it'll turn up eventually :) | 20:58 |
| Justanick | Is there an option to limit tumbler to ~20% of cpu usage or anything similar? | 20:59 |
| Justanick | Create a copy of ~15.000 objects pushed the cpu heavily to its limit. | 21:00 |
| ali1234 | there will be when we get systemd | 21:01 |
| brainwash | don't let it crash, we got enough tumbler crash report already :P | 21:01 |
| ali1234 | right now you would have to set up all the necessary cgroups stuff manually | 21:01 |
| Justanick | Maybe something for a rainy day. | 21:03 |
| elfy | brainwash: and a desktop reload loses the orphan icon | 21:04 |
| brainwash | elfy: indeed | 21:04 |
| Justanick | But so far, the runtime on battery seems to be a lot better than on the old LTS version. Thanks! | 21:05 |
| elfy | well - had enough of monday - cya tomorrow :) | 21:06 |
| ochosi | lenny: as brainwash said, not sure we can land that in trusty | 21:08 |
| ochosi | at least not in the release iso, maybe in .1 | 21:08 |
| ochosi | i wonder how the ibus issue is going... | 21:12 |
| brainwash | prepare for major uproar after final release xD | 21:14 |
| lenny | ochosi: Okay, thanks for being so responsive :) | 21:14 |
| ochosi | btw, did you see that larsu updated indicator-sound so that the hover-effect is back on all buttons | 21:14 |
| brainwash | on all buttons? | 21:14 |
| ochosi | lenny: sure no problem. took a while of digging around, but after i had figured it out it wasn't hard to fix | 21:14 |
| ochosi | brainwash: yes, also prev and next | 21:14 |
| brainwash | aaah | 21:15 |
| brainwash | oh nice | 21:15 |
| ochosi | yup | 21:15 |
| ochosi | you | 21:15 |
| ochosi | your patch is paying off now | 21:15 |
| brainwash | got a bit bored and created https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/xubuntu-default-settings/tooltip-size | 21:17 |
| brainwash | or am I the only one who dislikes these big desktop tooltips? | 21:18 |
| brainwash | maybe I should bother eric with it :D | 21:20 |
| ochosi | i dunno, i don't think that's really important | 21:27 |
| ochosi | my main argument would be that of those large icons we're missing quite a bunch e.g. in mimes | 21:28 |
| ochosi | so it would make sense to go down to 64px | 21:28 |
| ochosi | brainwash: but yeah, i guess the point here is not to let you get bored.. | 21:37 |
| brainwash | ochosi: exactly, now is the fun time | 21:48 |
| brainwash | getting 14.04 into good shape | 21:49 |
| ochosi | brainwash: well there are a semi-critical few issues i think we need to get fixed | 22:09 |
| ochosi | "few" <-> "semi-critical" | 22:10 |
| ochosi | updated the draft for the locking article on x.org, in case anyone wants to proofread | 22:36 |
| Unit193 | Also, for Unicorn we should s/xchat/hexchat/ | 22:55 |
| starrats | that sounds cool both irc chat apps | 23:56 |
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