| ovidiu-florin | yofel: are you still around? | 00:05 |
|---|---|---|
| yofel | trying to find the motivation to sleep, but for now, yes ^^ | 00:05 |
| ovidiu-florin | can you please tell me just the username and the password for the current site? | 00:06 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'm working on the sqldump, and I can't login | 00:06 |
| yofel | pm | 00:06 |
| ovidiu-florin | on a test site | 00:06 |
| ovidiu-florin | ok | 00:06 |
| ovidiu-florin | good night yofel, I'll continue this in the morning. | 00:28 |
| yofel | same, good night | 00:28 |
| === jono is now known as Guest60170 | ||
| === soee_ is now known as soee | ||
| === ovidiu-florin_ is now known as ovidiu-florin | ||
| === vinay is now known as Guest58553 | ||
| ovidiu-florin | good morning everybody | 08:15 |
| ovidiu-florin | Riddell: are you around? | 08:25 |
| valorie | April Fools, everybody! http://babe.debian.plumbing/ (sune made it -- and looke what shirt Paul is wearing in one of the photos!) | 08:37 |
| Riddell | hi ovidiu-florin | 08:51 |
| Riddell | valorie: ooh sexy | 08:52 |
| valorie | :-) | 08:53 |
| Riddell | even better we'll finally be joining the civilised counties once independent http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/01/scotland-driving-on-right-independence-road-scheme | 09:00 |
| jussi | Riddell: *IF* | 09:00 |
| Kalidarn | btw is it known about multiple devices appearing? | 09:00 |
| Kalidarn | eg http://i.imgur.com/hpC0j6D.png | 09:01 |
| Kalidarn | i have a nexus 7 and a nexus 5 plugged in and i see all these "blank" devices | 09:01 |
| Kalidarn | unplugging both of them makes them all go away. I don't recall this being an issue in KDE 4.13 on 13.10 | 09:01 |
| Kalidarn | (using the backports ppa | 09:01 |
| jussi | Kalidarn: usually those are "open pictures with gwenview" type things | 09:01 |
| Kalidarn | yes but im not sure what these other blank looking ones are | 09:01 |
| jussi | perhaps try changing the theme and checking if its not just black on black? | 09:01 |
| Riddell | ovidiu-florin: arg it's started, you mention sponsoring links and now the SEO spammers are onto us http://paste.kde.org/pncsr2oxa | 09:01 |
| Kalidarn | nah its not | 09:02 |
| Kalidarn | they appear in dolphin too | 09:02 |
| ovidiu-florin | Riddell: :) | 09:03 |
| ovidiu-florin | Riddell: the company I was talking about, they agreed to migrate our site for us for free | 09:04 |
| Riddell | ovidiu-florin: yay! | 09:04 |
| ovidiu-florin | I've tried to do a demo migration last night, but I ran into a pickle | 09:04 |
| Riddell | jussi: and when we're independent you'll be begging us to send our nuclear armed submarines to free Finland from the Russians | 09:05 |
| ovidiu-florin | there's something wrong with the sqldump I've got from canonical | 09:05 |
| ovidiu-florin | or ubuntu rt, or what ever it's called | 09:05 |
| jussi | Riddell: we dont need you - look at what happened last time they tried to invade... | 09:05 |
| Riddell | canonical sysadmin | 09:05 |
| ovidiu-florin | yes | 09:05 |
| ovidiu-florin | the sqldump is incomplete | 09:06 |
| ovidiu-florin | they've cleared some tables | 09:06 |
| ovidiu-florin | most specific: the users table | 09:06 |
| ovidiu-florin | Do you know someone from the canonical sysadmins? | 09:06 |
| jussi | ovidiu-florin: #canonical-sysadmin | 09:07 |
| ovidiu-florin | I would like to get a full backup of our current site (all files and a FULL DB dump) | 09:07 |
| Riddell | ovidiu-florin: no I'm afraid not, maybe jose does he's a useful sort, else just e-mail rt@ubuntu.com or ping on their irc channel | 09:07 |
| Kalidarn | btw all those "blank" devices open up to camera: | 09:07 |
| Kalidarn | ie: | 09:08 |
| Kalidarn | camera:/Google%2520Inc%2520(for%2520LG%2520Electronics%252FSamsung)%2520Nexus%25204%252F5%252F7%252F10%2520(MTP+ADB)@usb:001,012 | 09:08 |
| Kalidarn | camera:/Google%2520Inc%2520(for%2520Asus)%2520Nexus%25207%2520(MTP+ADB)@usb:001,010 | 09:08 |
| ovidiu-florin | I don't know jose | 09:08 |
| valorie | happy All Fools day everyone | 09:11 |
| valorie | later..... | 09:11 |
| ovidiu-florin | Riddell: what should I say to the can. Sysadm. that the backup is for? | 09:12 |
| Riddell | ovidiu-florin: to transition to a new CMS | 09:13 |
| ovidiu-florin | ok | 09:14 |
| shadeslayer | *hugs* | 09:20 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: 4.98 | 09:20 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: 4.12.97 works fine here, although I'm not convinced file search in dolphin is any better | 09:20 |
| shadeslayer | vHanda: ^^ | 09:20 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: does it work for you? | 09:21 |
| shadeslayer | I've been debugging some crashes in baloo with vHanda since yesterday, so atleast I can keep poking him with crashes and make him fix those :p | 09:22 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: but does it find the files? | 09:25 |
| ovidiu-florin | Riddell: i'm saying in the request mail that they can ask you for confirmation. Is that ok? | 09:25 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: yeah, works for me | 09:25 |
| Riddell | ovidiu-florin: sure | 09:29 |
| ovidiu-florin | sent | 09:29 |
| ovidiu-florin | thank you | 09:29 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: apparently kubuntu-notification-helper (14.04ubuntu7) had changelog modifications after upload :'< | 09:55 |
| apachelogger | on that note | 09:55 |
| apachelogger | alert alert alert | 09:56 |
| apachelogger | your's truly forgot to port the daemon to the new dbus api | 09:56 |
| apachelogger | how does that sort of thing slip through QA | 09:56 |
| shadeslayer | :( | 09:56 |
| apachelogger | ah, because no one bothered to remind people of the test cases we have online | 09:57 |
| apachelogger | it does help a lot less if people don't get reminded | 09:58 |
| apachelogger | >.< | 09:58 |
| * ghostcube hands apachelogger a cup of calm down tea | 09:58 | |
| * shadeslayer hugs apachelogger | 09:59 | |
| apachelogger | there isn't much time to calm down this close to release | 09:59 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: I am also adding some kdebug | 09:59 |
| ghostcube | hmm then is shouldnt ask for an upstream update of kdeconnect eh? | 10:00 |
| apachelogger | prolly not | 10:00 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: to k-d-m ? | 10:00 |
| apachelogger | and on that note | 10:00 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: knh | 10:00 |
| apachelogger | the driver thing in knh more specifically | 10:00 |
| shadeslayer | ghostcube: actually, that does need updating | 10:00 |
| shadeslayer | just that we're fixing broken things | 10:00 |
| ghostcube | :) | 10:00 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: did you do ktp update or is that still pending? | 10:00 |
| shadeslayer | I don't see it in the repo | 10:01 |
| shadeslayer | so needs doing | 10:01 |
| shadeslayer | I'll do that today | 10:01 |
| shadeslayer | oh man, things are going to suck, since I'm unavailable the entire next week :/ | 10:01 |
| apachelogger | there's a bug for it anyway | 10:02 |
| apachelogger | mh | 10:03 |
| apachelogger | ah | 10:03 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: yes | 10:03 |
| apachelogger | also | 10:03 |
| apachelogger | we need libk-d-m | 10:03 |
| apachelogger | for the marshal | 10:03 |
| apachelogger | muhahahahahahaha | 10:03 |
| apachelogger | time for a 14.10 board I think | 10:04 |
| shadeslayer | *nod* | 10:05 |
| shadeslayer | phonon-backend-gstreamer1.0-0.0~git20140324/debian/phonon4qt5-backend-gstreamer1.0/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/phonon4qt5_backend | 10:08 |
| shadeslayer | whats with the weird thing there | 10:09 |
| shadeslayer | oh my | 10:09 |
| apachelogger | oh you | 10:09 |
| apachelogger | btw | 10:09 |
| apachelogger | if one installs the old backend (or the old backend is not migrated) amarok breaks | 10:09 |
| apachelogger | and other stuff using stuff that uses gst1 | 10:10 |
| apachelogger | so there really should not be any such stuff | 10:10 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 10:11 |
| shadeslayer | en | 10:11 |
| shadeslayer | eh | 10:11 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: well | 10:11 |
| shadeslayer | installing the 1.0 backend will remove the 0.10 one | 10:11 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 10:11 |
| shadeslayer | so when you logout/login things will unbreak | 10:11 |
| apachelogger | tell that to the bug reports that did not get the 1.0 backend installed | 10:12 |
| apachelogger | and now amarok is broken | 10:12 |
| shadeslayer | >.> | 10:12 |
| apachelogger | and while you are at it, please also draft an announcement we can point to for all future occurances when a user installs the 0.10 backend by whatever means | 10:12 |
| shadeslayer | out of curiosity how would that work ( amarok not install the 1.0 backend ) | 10:13 |
| apachelogger | amarok depends on phonon depends on phonon-backend-gstreamer1.0 | phonon-backend, can be fullfilled by phonon-backend-gstreamer, phonon-backend-gstreamer1.0 will not be installed because the requirements are met | 10:15 |
| apachelogger | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/1298380 | 10:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1298380 in amarok (Ubuntu) "Amarok wont play music files" [Critical,Confirmed] | 10:15 |
| apachelogger | there simply is no reason for phonon-backend-gstreamer to be around | 10:16 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: ^^ | 10:18 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: but what if we want to roll back :) | 10:18 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 10:18 |
| shadeslayer | we go to vlc then | 10:18 |
| shadeslayer | not gst, since plugins are broken as fuck | 10:19 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: plz nuke the 0.10 backend | 10:21 |
| shadeslayer | since it won't work in any case | 10:21 |
| shadeslayer | qtwebkit was built against 1.0 , so it's utterly useles | 10:21 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: okay dokay | 10:22 |
| apachelogger | why does notification helper have a po/ dir again? | 10:23 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: any reason why debian/phonon4qt5-backend-gstreamer1.0/ dir in the pgst1.0 packaging? | 10:23 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: pgst has reverse depends btw | 10:24 |
| jose | hey ovidiu-florin! even though you don't know me, feel free to ping me for anything you need, specially if rt related | 10:36 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: are you working on getting qapt plugin install working? | 10:37 |
| apachelogger | no | 10:37 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning all | 10:37 |
| apachelogger | I am not a qapt developer Oo | 10:38 |
| shadeslayer | ok | 10:38 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: isn't that package building both qt4 and qt5 from one source? | 10:41 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: but then why the empty folder in the packaging :) | 10:41 |
| shadeslayer | also, apachelogger ^^ , does the qt4 and qt5 code get built in one .so ? | 10:42 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: no it builds qt4 then qt5 | 10:42 |
| Riddell | installing qt5 into debian/phonon4qt5-backend-gstreamer1.0/ so I probably just forgot a clean rule to rm that directory | 10:42 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: I don't think so | 10:43 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/170599598/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.phonon-backend-gstreamer1.0_0.0~git20140324-0ubuntu1_UPLOADING.txt.gz | 10:45 |
| shadeslayer | don't see Qt5 stuff being built there | 10:45 |
| shadeslayer | possibly the branch needs rebasing on master | 10:45 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: probably I just copied it from phonon-backend-gstreamer0.10 | 10:46 |
| shadeslayer | on that note | 10:59 |
| shadeslayer | the 1.0 branch probably needs rebasing on master | 11:00 |
| apachelogger | god how I hate variant types | 11:00 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: where rebasing is fancy git speak for a new checkout? | 11:00 |
| * apachelogger is going to do code copy now :@ | 11:00 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ | 11:01 |
| apachelogger | your fault anyway | 11:03 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: nope | 11:03 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: what | 11:03 |
| apachelogger | had you done proper marshalling you had needed to make a library when you created the knh event | 11:03 |
| apachelogger | had you had created a library I'd now not have to do code copyz | 11:03 |
| shadeslayer | :( | 11:04 |
| ghostcube | folks blame scientologie... :D better than blaming each other | 11:04 |
| apachelogger | even so it is curious that qt can't automarshall to variants for some reason | 11:04 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 11:08 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: mind approving ktp-common-internals | 11:08 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: approved! | 11:09 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: thx | 11:09 |
| apachelogger | well, that only took longer than expected | 11:13 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: knh fixy ready | 11:14 |
| shadeslayer | yay | 11:14 |
| * shadeslayer is updating ktp | 11:14 | |
| Riddell | thanks shadeslayer | 11:14 |
| apachelogger | weeh | 11:14 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: where are we on the python3.4 thing? | 11:14 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: fixed pending a merge | 11:14 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: plz unapprove kpeople | 11:17 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: approve my second kpeople upload | 11:17 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: kpeople rejected¡ | 11:18 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: kpeople rejected! | 11:18 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: kpeople accepted! | 11:18 |
| apachelogger | knh uploaded | 11:37 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: what's new? | 11:37 |
| apachelogger | repaired driver notifications | 11:37 |
| apachelogger | I also changed the way the init timeout works, it now defaults to 1s in manual builds (outside dpkg-buildpackage) and 3 minutes when built via dpkg-buildpackage | 11:37 |
| apachelogger | makes testing easier without having to resort to manually changing the timeout all the time | 11:38 |
| Riddell | lovely | 11:38 |
| Riddell | I don't suppose you added codec installation back now that qapt doesn't do it? | 11:38 |
| apachelogger | does that happen in the event? | 11:40 |
| apachelogger | well that's badly architectured alright | 11:40 |
| apachelogger | m_kopetePackages["kopete-gcall"] = i18n("Google Talk support for Kopete"); | 11:40 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: can't past string freeze, adding stuff apparently requires strings | 11:41 |
| apachelogger | which reminds me that I wanted to find out why exactly knh has a po dir | 11:41 |
| Mamarok | seriously, moun is not usable, it is simply impossible to search, as soon as I start typing something the complete Package window turns empty and stays like that | 11:43 |
| Mamarok | s/moun/muon/ | 11:44 |
| kubotu | Mamarok meant: "seriously, muon is not usable, it is simply impossible to search, as soon as I start typing something the complete Package window turns empty and stays like that" | 11:45 |
| * Mamarok goes back to synaptic | 11:45 | |
| ghostcube | hmmm muon is working here | 11:45 |
| Mamarok | you can search? | 11:45 |
| ghostcube | package and software based | 11:45 |
| ghostcube | yep | 11:45 |
| Mamarok | talking about current Trusty latest release | 11:45 |
| Mamarok | ? | 11:45 |
| ghostcube | just updated on my 14.04 virtual box | 11:46 |
| ghostcube | so it should be the same | 11:46 |
| Mamarok | well I tried, restarted, started with kdesudo, nothing, the package windows goes totally blank once I enter something in the search field | 11:46 |
| yofel | Mamarok: which muon? package manager, sc or discover? | 11:46 |
| Mamarok | just muon, which is the package insntaller, of course | 11:47 |
| ghostcube | hmm package one works fine here | 11:47 |
| yofel | try this: 'sudo update-apt-xapian-index', then check if search works | 11:47 |
| Mamarok | and when searching for updates it shows one package, while apt-get and synaptic show 35 | 11:47 |
| ghostcube | i got 2.1.70-ubuntu3 | 11:47 |
| Mamarok | yofel: why on earth does one always have to go through loops for someting to work, why can't it "just work"? | 11:48 |
| yofel | Mamarok: uhm, I'm not sure why it's not finding anything for you. The search index should be updated on every package cache update | 11:48 |
| ghostcube | maybe update regression? | 11:48 |
| BluesKaj | also system settings>multimedia>audio&video settings when chosen just hangs and doesn't open. | 11:49 |
| apachelogger | actually muon will auto update the xapian index | 11:49 |
| apachelogger | there is however a bug that it does not try to open the cache after initial creation (i.e. right after installation) | 11:50 |
| Mamarok | well no, it doesn't, at least not for me, now it works | 11:50 |
| ghostcube | BluesKaj: yep can confirm this | 11:50 |
| Mamarok | so the xapian db uptdate is not working | 11:50 |
| ghostcube | i get a dbus server warning if i launch systemsettings | 11:52 |
| ghostcube | inside terminal | 11:52 |
| yofel | apachelogger: IIRC that was because there is no cache that it could generate the index from after install | 11:52 |
| apachelogger | don't launch it in a terminal then | 11:53 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: the reason things don't work is because people work around issues so they never get resolved | 11:53 |
| ghostcube | apachelogger: lol just wanted to see if anything comes up | 11:53 |
| BluesKaj | ghostcube, it's been a problem for a few days, altho the audio settings don't seem to be affected since it all works ok. Kmix and alsamixer seem to be normal. | 11:53 |
| apachelogger | yofel: it will create a new one then | 11:53 |
| apachelogger | install -> install muon -> start muon -> progress bar at bottom -> wait till finished -> restart muon -> search works | 11:54 |
| ghostcube | ok | 11:54 |
| apachelogger | if libqapt/muon did try to reopen on updatefinished search would work after the progressbar has finished | 11:54 |
| yofel | ah | 11:54 |
| apachelogger | before it is finished it will not work regardless though because there is no cache | 11:54 |
| apachelogger | which is also slighly UI snafu | 11:54 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: I never even touched that thing, usually I use either the cli or synaptic | 11:55 |
| apachelogger | it's a minor issue though as there's plenty of things triggering xapian updates and ultimately ubiquity shoudl trigger one after installation, for which we have a card somewhere | 11:55 |
| apachelogger | which I think is blocked on someone looking into it or something | 11:55 |
| yofel | I think shadeslayer gave up on it | 11:55 |
| Mamarok | well, an isuse not getting any package updates in a package manager is not something I would call minor | 11:56 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: quite possibly the xapian index got corrupted | 11:56 |
| apachelogger | though I reckon it would fail to open then, which in turn would trigger an update | 11:57 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: bug 1300480 | 11:57 |
| ubottu | bug 1300480 in phonon-backend-gstreamer1.0 (Ubuntu) "gst 1.0 pulseaudio needs explicit seeding" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1300480 | 11:57 |
| apachelogger | bug 1300478 | 11:58 |
| ubottu | bug 1300478 in phonon-backend-gstreamer1.0 (Ubuntu) "package does not have kubuntu-bugs team in global subscribers" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1300478 | 11:58 |
| apachelogger | bug 1298380 | 11:58 |
| ubottu | bug 1298380 in amarok (Ubuntu) "Amarok wont play music files" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1298380 | 11:58 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: are you on the digikam thing? | 11:58 |
| apachelogger | BluesKaj, ghostcube: find /usr/lib -iname phonon_gstreamer.so | 12:00 |
| yofel | what's there to do with digikam? | 12:00 |
| apachelogger | if that yields one result run ldd on that path | 12:00 |
| apachelogger | yofel: bug 1299738 | 12:00 |
| ubottu | bug 1299738 in digikam (Ubuntu) "digikam does not start in trusty beta 2amd64" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1299738 | 12:00 |
| yofel | ouch | 12:00 |
| ghostcube | /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/plugins/phonon_backend/phonon_gstreamer.so | 12:00 |
| apachelogger | library transitions past feature freeze is an interesting way of breaking the release | 12:01 |
| apachelogger | ghostcube: ldd on that | 12:01 |
| BluesKaj | apachelogger, file does not exist | 12:02 |
| ghostcube | http://pastie.org/8985459 | 12:02 |
| yofel | hm, digkam WFM | 12:02 |
| apachelogger | BluesKaj: ls -lah /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/plugins/phonon_backend | 12:02 |
| apachelogger | yofel: try installing kipi-plugins | 12:02 |
| apachelogger | ghostcube: install phonon-backend-gstreamer1.0 | 12:02 |
| apachelogger | you are affected by bug 1298380 | 12:03 |
| ubottu | bug 1298380 in amarok (Ubuntu) "Amarok wont play music files" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1298380 | 12:03 |
| yofel | apachelogger: I have everything from digikam sc intalled (except maybe -doc) | 12:03 |
| apachelogger | yofel: kipi is not part of the sc, is it? | 12:03 |
| yofel | it is | 12:03 |
| apachelogger | plugins even? | 12:03 |
| apachelogger | I know lib is | 12:03 |
| ghostcube | fixed systemsettings | 12:03 |
| yofel | apachelogger: *digikam* SC, not kde sc | 12:04 |
| apachelogger | yofel: yes, I know :P | 12:04 |
| yofel | but kipi-plugins is shipped with digikam these days | 12:04 |
| apachelogger | ok | 12:04 |
| yofel | let me make a VM to test this | 12:05 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: bug 1298125 | 12:13 |
| ubottu | bug 1298125 in qtwebkit-source (Ubuntu) "qtwebkit build failure on several architectures" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1298125 | 12:13 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: bug 1297351 | 12:14 |
| ubottu | bug 1297351 in meta-kde-telepathy (Ubuntu) "Please update meta-kde-telepathy to 0.8.0" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297351 | 12:14 |
| apachelogger | what the hell is bug 1276820 | 12:20 |
| ubottu | bug 1276820 in kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "unity and KDE mouse cursor disappear" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1276820 | 12:20 |
| yofel | a meta bug for... mesa? ^^ | 12:21 |
| apachelogger | is it mesa? | 12:21 |
| apachelogger | reads a lot like pebkac | 12:21 |
| yofel | not sure, I usually blame rendering issues on mesa. but that's also a possibility | 12:22 |
| yofel | *sigh* | 12:22 |
| yofel | our installer still says it's installing kubuntu on a disk with 1B of space | 12:22 |
| apachelogger | I've installed plasma-desktop package and the problem doesnt appear | 12:22 |
| apachelogger | that's not mesa | 12:22 |
| yofel | hm | 12:23 |
| apachelogger | this report is so much crap it's not even funny | 12:23 |
| ghostcube | this mouse bug could be a compiz kde problem | 12:25 |
| apachelogger | what is a compiz kde problem? | 12:25 |
| ghostcube | compiz is started and makes trouble inside the kde rendering | 12:26 |
| ghostcube | compiz and kde isnt working pretty well since long time :D | 12:26 |
| apachelogger | it could also be a mesa problem, a x problem, a driver problem, a qt problem, a gtk problem, a pebkac problem, a cursor theme problem .... | 12:26 |
| ghostcube | yeah but as i seen the compiz thing i think its nothing about that all | 12:27 |
| apachelogger | ghostcube: it also happens in unity | 12:27 |
| ghostcube | yeah i know but still he has compiz on its way | 12:27 |
| apachelogger | compiz starting in a plasma session seems slightly odd though | 12:27 |
| apachelogger | IIRC the kde configured window manager will start as very first thing by ksmserver | 12:28 |
| apachelogger | so there is no way that compiz could even start since window managers block one another | 12:28 |
| BluesKaj | had to switch back to xrender and native from OpenGL and raster , due to font problems in web browsers and dialogs, and blanking of desktops and parts of desktops | 12:28 |
| apachelogger | that is a mesa problem | 12:28 |
| yofel | well, it might not be fun | 12:29 |
| yofel | the ubuntu-bugcontrol discussion is fun though | 12:29 |
| BluesKaj | been like that for quite a few weeks now | 12:29 |
| apachelogger | yofel: mh? | 12:29 |
| ghostcube | apachelogger: but he hasent got the prob in the vm | 12:30 |
| yofel | apachelogger: " Kubuntu triage policy conflicts with Ubuntu triage policy", to which you're CC'd I believe | 12:30 |
| ghostcube | so i dont think this is mesa | 12:30 |
| apachelogger | ghostcube: who? | 12:30 |
| ghostcube | the one posting the bug | 12:30 |
| apachelogger | yofel: yeah, well, I did not reply for a reason :P | 12:30 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 12:31 |
| apachelogger | ghostcube: sure it can, drivers talk to mesa, and sometimes drivers cause mesa bugs or vice versa, which is actually what BluesKaj is seeing | 12:31 |
| apachelogger | so it is entirely possible that something works on bare metal but does not in a VM | 12:31 |
| apachelogger | because they have different drivers | 12:31 |
| ghostcube | ughs radeon drivers used iam out of business :D | 12:37 |
| ghostcube | hihi | 12:37 |
| BluesKaj | apachelogger, there were a few artifacts in VB W7 guest, but nothing serious compared to the utter blanking of all fonts in FF and chromium | 12:37 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer, Riddell: regarding the LO thing... dropping libreoffice-kde fixes it apparently so that might be something we'll need to do unless a fix appears in time for final | 12:48 |
| shadeslayer | :S | 12:50 |
| shadeslayer | where's jmux :P | 12:50 |
| apachelogger | hiding, for obvious reasons :P | 12:51 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: have you worked out what the LO thing is? | 12:52 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: on holiday? | 12:52 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: not exactly, but will be unavailable next week due to family reasons | 12:53 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: jmux is on holiday | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | yofel: ah, you continued the thread | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | noooo | 12:55 |
| Riddell | I wonder if whatever the libreoffice thing is, is related to jmux's fix bug 1290514 | 12:55 |
| ubottu | bug 1290514 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Saucy) "LibreOffice KDE4 backend crashes in Qt4 recursive paint events" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1290514 | 12:55 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: potentially might want to approve ktp in unapproved queue | 12:58 |
| shadeslayer | or do you want me to upload everything | 12:59 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: I don't really mind as long as it compiles and works without adding beasties | 12:59 |
| shadeslayer | :) | 12:59 |
| shadeslayer | If it adds beasties I shall move over to d_ed's table and poke him | 12:59 |
| shadeslayer | along with mck182 | 13:00 |
| BluesKaj | apachelogger, the phonon_gstreamer.so file exits in the path you posted , but it doesn't seem to have any effect on the device preferences in multimedia | 13:00 |
| BluesKaj | exists rather | 13:00 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: I take it mck182 is in town too? | 13:02 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 13:02 |
| apachelogger | omg, dfaure broke kwin xD | 13:03 |
| shadeslayer | so he's human after all! | 13:04 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 13:04 |
| apachelogger | nah | 13:04 |
| apachelogger | must be april 1 | 13:04 |
| shadeslayer | bah :P | 13:04 |
| BluesKaj | I was going to suggest that MS is launching it's own version of Linux named Winux , but somebody beat me to the April fool's joke by about 13 yrs :) | 13:09 |
| ghostcube | best one is... apple and MS are working on a new version of iDos | 13:10 |
| ghostcube | :D | 13:10 |
| BluesKaj | :) | 13:10 |
| ghostcube | gnah s5 still not available | 13:11 |
| ghostcube | -.- | 13:11 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: ktp all up | 13:34 |
| shadeslayer | plz approve | 13:34 |
| manchicken | apachelogger: I almost have that done. | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | manchicken: hi! | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | manchicken: I don't suppose you could look at the gst plugin install stuff :P | 13:41 |
| manchicken | shadeslayer: Hi! It's been an interesting day here at ThinkGeek so far :) | 13:41 |
| manchicken | Naw, I'm at work, and I was up late working. | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | ThinkGeek? :D | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | you work at TG? | 13:41 |
| manchicken | Yeah, that's where I work. | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | hah, awesome | 13:42 |
| * shadeslayer was browsing last night, looking for a alarm clock | 13:42 | |
| shadeslayer | specifically, the one that looks like the old alarm clocks, but with the LED face | 13:43 |
| apachelogger | can't type straight in mails | 13:45 |
| apachelogger | outragous | 13:45 |
| manchicken | apachelogger: You got that I said I'm almost done with the debug installer, right? | 13:46 |
| manchicken | I just haven't had time to tidy it up. Since I fixed the duplicate portion it seems like it's mostly working. I need to find a package that only has debug syms in a ddebs repo. | 13:46 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: no shit http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/01/plasma-desktopi27348.png | 13:46 |
| apachelogger | manchicken: yes, we are still way past feature freeze and considering everything is broken anyway I'd rather not do it for .04 | 13:46 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: ktp accepted! | 13:46 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: ? | 13:47 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: can't type anything for the first time today | 13:47 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: uau | 13:47 |
| shadeslayer | ^^ see what I mean | 13:47 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: it's always the case for me | 13:47 |
| apachelogger | I have shell aliases for everything otherwise I'd spend half the time correcting typos :O | 13:47 |
| shadeslayer | xD | 13:47 |
| * shadeslayer is rebasing pgst on master | 13:48 | |
| manchicken | Yeah | 13:50 |
| yofel | manchicken: if you need one, e.g. ksnapshot has not -dbg package | 13:51 |
| yofel | *no | 13:51 |
| manchicken | That's awesome. | 13:53 |
| manchicken | apachelogger: I can't comment on the card yet, could you stick yofel's comment onto the card so I don't lose that? | 13:54 |
| yofel | uh, I can just do that ^^ | 13:54 |
| yofel | where is the card though o.O? | 13:56 |
| shadeslayer | oh god http://paste.ubuntu.com/7189754/ | 13:56 |
| yofel | found it | 13:57 |
| shadeslayer | wtf | 14:22 |
| shadeslayer | wtf | 14:22 |
| shadeslayer | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktp-call-ui/0.8.0-0ubuntu1 | 14:22 |
| shadeslayer | it built fine in my pbuilder?! | 14:23 |
| shadeslayer | http://paste.ubuntu.com/7189897/ | 14:24 |
| * apachelogger ninja | 14:24 | |
| Riddell | hi littlegirl | 14:24 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: u pbuilder update first? | 14:25 |
| apachelogger | if not that'd be why it worked in pbuilder | 14:25 |
| littlegirl | Riddell: Hey there, did you get my emails last night? (: | 14:25 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: hooks should have done that | 14:25 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: not to mention, it builds on i386 | 14:25 |
| littlegirl | I know I'm a pest, but some pests are okay to have around. (: (: (: | 14:25 |
| Riddell | littlegirl: hmm probably but didn't read them properly sorry | 14:25 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: well, it could be that someone uploaded somethign and now its broken xD | 14:25 |
| littlegirl | Riddell: It's okay. I just have some questions and figured I'd put them in separate emails. (: | 14:25 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: sigh | 14:26 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: your pbuilder is ppc64el? ^^ | 14:26 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: amd64 | 14:26 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: I returned it | 14:26 |
| yofel | ah ok, so I missed it | 14:26 |
| shadeslayer | seems to be working now I think | 14:27 |
| littlegirl | Hey, does the beta update itself or do you have to grab a fresh copy of it each day? | 14:28 |
| apachelogger | regular updates are the updates of the beta | 14:29 |
| apachelogger | up to release, when regular updates become stable release updates | 14:29 |
| littlegirl | I grabbed Trusty Tahr from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/TrustyTahr/Beta2/Kubuntu. Can I just keep it or do I need to grab it again to be sure I have the latest one? | 14:29 |
| apachelogger | this ISO does not change | 14:29 |
| apachelogger | so you can just keep it | 14:30 |
| littlegirl | Cool, thanks. (: | 14:30 |
| apachelogger | if you want an up-to-date iso you can also use the ones here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ | 14:30 |
| littlegirl | Thanks - I'll give that a try as well. (: | 14:31 |
| * littlegirl hugs Riddell | 14:38 | |
| shadeslayer | sigh, rebase gone wrong :/ | 14:38 |
| littlegirl | Riddell: Thanks for getting to those so quickly. I'm off to email the other guy. I may come in with some more questions abotu the new options that were added, but that will be a bit later. (: | 14:39 |
| sgclark | Riddell: calligra-l10n http://paste.ubuntu.com/7189973/ | 14:40 |
| apachelogger | looks like we'll have some of our long waiting kubuntu specific stuff get l10n finally | 14:42 |
| Riddell | well done apachelogger | 14:44 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: although I do wonder if kde-l10n will disappear in kf5 land and we'll need to reinstate the language-pack-kde packages | 14:45 |
| Riddell | morning sgclark | 14:45 |
| Riddell | sgclark: well done on figuring that mess out, it always confuses me | 14:45 |
| Riddell | sgclark: you can bump the standards version if you check there's nothing relevant in the new debian policy version | 14:45 |
| sgclark | Riddell: good morning, and yeah wow | 14:46 |
| Riddell | sgclark: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist#ch1 | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: what? why? | 14:47 |
| apachelogger | kde would still have to distribute l10n somehow | 14:47 |
| Riddell | sgclark: debian-rules-missing-recommended-target build-indep is weird, that target is there, so it binary-arch | 14:48 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: you think? but not for kf5 or plasma presumably | 14:48 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: kde would still have to distribute translations somehow | 14:49 |
| apachelogger | you cannot have a not translated workspace :P | 14:49 |
| sgclark | Riddell: right via build: $(STAMP_BUILD) correct? | 14:50 |
| Riddell | sgclark: nah lower down is binary-arch: # No architecture dependent files available | 14:52 |
| Riddell | sgclark: anyway just ignore them | 14:52 |
| sgclark | Riddell: ok this in rules http://paste.ubuntu.com/7190036/ | 14:52 |
| sgclark | Riddell: ok | 14:52 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: where? | 15:36 |
| apachelogger | paris | 15:37 |
| apachelogger | what? | 15:37 |
| shadeslayer | <apachelogger> looks like we'll have some of our long waiting kubuntu specific stuff get l10n finally | 15:37 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1300841] GTK Windows (i.e. gvim) do not maximize properly @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1300841 (by Alex Roman) | 15:37 |
| shadeslayer | what I wanted to say was, where did you hear that? :) | 15:37 |
| shadeslayer | <- over excited at the thought of getting i10n | 15:38 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: pitti said he'd do it today | 15:42 |
| kubotu | ::runtime-bugs:: [1292471] Missing locale notification does not inform about package @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1292471 (by Marcin Sągol) | 15:42 |
| shadeslayer | yay | 15:42 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: can I drop the [linux-any] from the pgst1.0 depends on gst1.0-alsa | 16:01 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: I'm going to upload KDE SC 4.12.97 | 16:04 |
| shadeslayer | want to approve that later this evening? | 16:04 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: yeah, go for it, I'm out for the next few hours, will get to it later | 16:08 |
| Riddell | or nudge ScottK | 16:08 |
| shadeslayer | okie | 16:08 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: I also still see pgst | 16:11 |
| shadeslayer | in the archive | 16:11 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: that's because I've not deleted it yet | 16:11 |
| shadeslayer | ok | 16:12 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: and last thing, review plz http://paste.kde.org/phnvuegcp | 16:14 |
| shadeslayer | fix for 1300480 | 16:14 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ^^ | 16:17 |
| * apachelogger had too much to eat | 16:29 | |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: looks good I guess | 16:29 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ack | 16:30 |
| shadeslayer | pushed | 16:30 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: can you approve pgst1.0 from queue | 16:33 |
| shadeslayer | lazr.restfulclient.errors.ServerError: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error | 16:45 |
| shadeslayer | yay | 16:45 |
| * yofel would prefer if someone would append 'Thank you for using the launchpad services' to that, it would at least feel nicer | 16:47 | |
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| shadeslayer | sigh | 16:49 |
| shadeslayer | should have called with --nopush | 16:49 |
| yofel | what did you do -.- | 16:49 |
| yofel | actually | 16:49 |
| yofel | let me switch the default for that | 16:50 |
| yofel | it's just a pain | 16:50 |
| yofel | and send a mail to the ML | 16:50 |
| shadeslayer | well, it's just that it pushed some useless history | 16:50 |
| shadeslayer | https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/amor | 16:50 |
| yofel | ah lol | 16:51 |
| yofel | well, you can only tag once, so it doesn't really matter | 16:51 |
| yofel | I'll still switch the default | 16:51 |
| yofel | the whole process is too error-prone | 16:51 |
| sgclark | I keep getting [Errno 110] Connection timed out part way through trying to dput calligra-l10n is it my internet? | 16:52 |
| yofel | should be... can't say I ever got that from launchpad while uploading. | 16:53 |
| yofel | Then again, this is launchpad... | 16:53 |
| shadeslayer | ^^ | 16:53 |
| sgclark | Well I have tried rebooting router, hard wired to no avail, US cable companies are notorious for throttling our connections. I put the files in my ubuntu one yofel. | 16:55 |
| sgclark | I saw Riddell was heading out. If you don't have toime to look I will keep trying.. | 16:57 |
| doko | Riddell, do you plan another calligra upload? or else I'd like to build it using the updated xbase version | 16:58 |
| yofel | doko: Riddell is out, but I don't think anyone is working on calligra right now | 16:59 |
| shadeslayer | yay failed again | 17:00 |
| doko | yofel, ok, will upload | 17:00 |
| yofel | doko: as long as you commit what you have to bzr there shouldn't be any conflict anyway | 17:01 |
| yofel | or is it a plain rebuild? | 17:01 |
| doko | yofel, can you check it in for me? no, has a patch | 17:01 |
| yofel | doko: will do that then once I see the upload | 17:01 |
| shadeslayer | doko: iirc if you're ubuntu-dev you can check it in too | 17:02 |
| doko | can I? | 17:02 |
| doko | damn ... | 17:02 |
| doko | ;p | 17:02 |
| yofel | you should be able to.. | 17:02 |
| apachelogger | lol | 17:02 |
| shadeslayer | I think so ... | 17:02 |
| yofel | ~ubuntu-core-dev can at least | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer | yeah, I don't see why we should exclude ubuntu-dev btw :P | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer | atleast for checking in commit | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer | *commits | 17:03 |
| yofel | IIRC it was to not allow ~ubuntu-motu to commit changes for out packages in main | 17:03 |
| yofel | *our | 17:04 |
| shadeslayer | which seems moot now :) | 17:04 |
| yofel | well, with how Riddell handled scarlett's case it is completely moot :( | 17:04 |
| shadeslayer | hm, I have to leave, and script is running .. | 17:04 |
| yofel | great timing :P | 17:05 |
| shadeslayer | yeah :P | 17:05 |
| sgclark | handled my case? what did I do? | 17:05 |
| shadeslayer | did not expect it to fail twice | 17:05 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: maybe I'll come back after dinner xD | 17:05 |
| shadeslayer | just to sign and upload | 17:06 |
| yofel | sgclark: going completely by existing policy, you shouldn't be a member of ~kubuntu-packagers | 17:06 |
| yofel | so you didn't do anything ;) | 17:06 |
| sgclark | I won't let you down, I will earn it | 17:07 |
| yofel | in theory, we would give people access to ninjas first, and review all bzr changes for a while. And by the time one would get permission it would be time to apply for membership anyway and get it like that | 17:07 |
| yofel | this time... the process was kinda turned upside down | 17:07 |
| shadeslayer | sigh | 17:08 |
| yofel | failed again? | 17:09 |
| shadeslayer | on the 30th package | 17:09 |
| yofel | lol | 17:09 |
| shadeslayer | out of 160th | 17:09 |
| shadeslayer | s/th// | 17:09 |
| kubotu | shadeslayer meant: "out of 160" | 17:09 |
| yofel | it's 170 btw. | 17:09 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: how's qvim | 17:09 |
| shadeslayer | ._. | 17:09 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: btw qvim has a full screen mode apparently | 17:09 |
| shadeslayer | set fu | 17:09 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: better than gvim in any case, but haven't played with it too much yet | 17:09 |
| shadeslayer | mhm | 17:10 |
| yofel | I simply like my vim in yakuake :P | 17:10 |
| shadeslayer | xD | 17:10 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: maybe also add a check in kubuntu-automation to check for the tag we're trying to add | 17:11 |
| shadeslayer | if it exists, then bzr was pushed to and no need to introduce more delta | 17:11 |
| yofel | not sure I like that solution, but it might make sense | 17:12 |
| shadeslayer | k bye | 17:15 |
| shadeslayer | cya tomorrow | 17:15 |
| shadeslayer | script running | 17:15 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1300841] GTK Windows (i.e. gvim) do not maximize properly @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1300841 (by Alex Roman) | 17:38 |
| sgclark | finally got https://launchpad.net/~scarlett-7/+archive/kubuntu-ppa/+builds?build_state=building | 17:58 |
| yofel | \o/ | 18:00 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: btw script failed again | 20:04 |
| shadeslayer | today is just not a good day for Launchpad | 20:04 |
| shadeslayer | also | 20:04 |
| shadeslayer | drool http://liliputing.com/2014/03/minnowboard-max-99-intel-atom-powered-single-board-computer.html | 20:04 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: ^^ | 20:05 |
| shadeslayer | apparently goes up to quad core + 4 GB | 20:05 |
| shadeslayer | *4 GB RAM | 20:05 |
| yofel | :O | 20:05 |
| shadeslayer | yeah, :) | 20:06 |
| shadeslayer | I was hoping for *exactly* this | 20:06 |
| shadeslayer | the best ARM SoC at the moment is the iMX6 I think | 20:07 |
| shadeslayer | 2 GB RAM + 4 cores @ 1.2 GHz | 20:07 |
| shadeslayer | 129 USD + shipping | 20:08 |
| shadeslayer | I'd love to see what the quad core / 4 GB Intel atom thing does | 20:08 |
| ovidiu-florin | thank you jose | 20:09 |
| yofel | right, but I doubt that'll work on a 5V power jack | 20:09 |
| yofel | at least an actually fan-less atom board is nice indeed, esp. for that price | 20:09 |
| yofel | except that I can't really think of a personal use case for one :( | 20:10 |
| yofel | not right now at least | 20:10 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 20:10 |
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| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1299920] defaulting to qt5 does not work siunce QT_SELECT=qt4 is in the environment by default. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1299920 (by Søren Holm) | 21:45 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: ^ | 21:52 |
| shadeslayer | it should be unset | 21:52 |
| shadeslayer | wah | 21:53 |
| shadeslayer | dafuq | 21:53 |
| yofel | well, yeah, you are unsetting it, after the session is done | 21:54 |
| yofel | doesn't really help while you're actually in the session | 21:54 |
| shadeslayer | fooey | 21:54 |
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| shadeslayer | yofel: move to line 447? | 21:55 |
| yofel | as far as I understand startkde, the script stops at line 421 until ksmserver exits, i.e. you log out | 21:56 |
| yofel | anything after that is irrelevant to the session | 21:56 |
| shadeslayer | ack, will try it out tomorrow and fix | 21:57 |
| shadeslayer | this is just mental >.> | 21:57 |
| yofel | can we just go and install qdbus and qdbus-qt5 by default -.- | 21:57 |
| shadeslayer | qt5? :O | 21:58 |
| shadeslayer | is this sparta? :D | 21:58 |
| yofel | then again, as timo says, 'qdbus -qt4' might work | 21:58 |
| shadeslayer | iirc it will | 21:59 |
| shadeslayer | alternatively | 21:59 |
| yofel | uh, isn't qdbus-qt5 not being installed the whole problem? ^^ | 21:59 |
| shadeslayer | replace all qdbus calls with QT_SELECT=qt4 qdbus | 21:59 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: really? I thought it was the wrong var being set for people who want to build Qt5 thingums on KDE 4 | 21:59 |
| shadeslayer | or wrong path earlier | 21:59 |
| yofel | well, yeah, having qt5-default installed requires qdbus-qt5 for working dbus | 22:00 |
| shadeslayer | :S | 22:00 |
| shadeslayer | why is a configuration package depending on qdbus-qt5? | 22:00 |
| yofel | it's not? | 22:00 |
| yofel | nothing depends on qdbus-qt5 | 22:01 |
| yofel | so it is never installed | 22:01 |
| yofel | and 'qdbus' points to an inexistent file | 22:01 |
| shadeslayer | ah hm, I see | 22:01 |
| yofel | your fix works for sure, and breaks qt5-default while at it | 22:02 |
| shadeslayer | not fun ... not fun at all :/ | 22:03 |
| shadeslayer | I'll look at it tomorrow | 22:03 |
| shadeslayer | off to bed | 22:03 |
| yofel | sure | 22:04 |
| yofel | nini :) | 22:04 |
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| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1299920] defaulting to qt5 does not work siunce QT_SELECT=qt4 is in the environment by default. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1299920 (by Søren Holm) | 22:46 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: I can look at it. | 22:51 |
| ScottK | (if it's a New package, it'll take more time than i have now though) | 22:51 |
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