=== maclin_ is now known as maclin [08:03] good morning desktopers! [08:04] hi seb128 :) [08:04] greeeeeeeetings [08:04] hey hikiko Laney [08:05] and Laney :) [08:05] hey hey [08:05] how are you guys? [08:05] how are uyou people? [08:05] ha [08:05] haha [08:07] doing good, fun climbing session last night [08:08] doing good, fun tennis session last night [08:08] ;-) [08:08] hahaha [08:09] (we can carry this on) [08:09] my elbow is recovering from its injury [08:10] lucky you, my wrist is still hurting :/ [08:10] ah damn, thought we could have [08:10] you still played on it? [08:10] well, my arm is better [08:11] but I did some "didn't hold the racket strong enough" and slightly hurt my wrist a week ago [08:11] tennis is not a sport to play if you don't like small injuries :p [08:12] heh [08:20] I have a tiny cut in my thumb that's right where I want to press it on the keyboard [08:22] seb128: you're not supposed to squeeze it too hard ;) [08:23] tjaalton, haha [08:23] just lock your wrist, or you're in trouble [08:23] right, well I've been sloppy/didn't lock it properly a few times :/ [08:23] but I learnt from it :p [08:24] (also hit the ball in front, when it's already over you "body-line" it's less fun for the arm/wrist to try to hit it back) [08:28] hey seb128, Laney [08:29] hey darkxst, how are you? [08:29] seb128, good, finally have internet back! [08:29] nice! what happened that you didn't have it anymore? [08:29] I though you were travelling or on holidays or something [08:29] seb128, ISP stuffed up, we are moving soon and booked that in, then they disconnected it immediately [08:30] oh, I see [08:30] holidays come soon ;), 10 days of climbing ! [08:31] I'LL BE THERE [08:32] Laney, sure come! its a fair travel for you though! [08:32] sadly so [08:33] anyway I looked at renamed gnome-desktop3.10 package, its a complete pain to do without compeltely forking the package and renaming things within the build system [08:36] and it seems way to late to land this stuff now? so would it be possible to ship g-c-c 3.8 for 14.04 [08:37] and then update renamed gnome-desktop and g-s-d/g-c-c for 14.04.1? [08:38] i.e is it even possible to land backports in the LTS point releases? [08:39] Seems unlikely [08:39] but it might become more feasible to do it in a PPA then [08:51] Laney, well, I guess they are going to want to build the LTS .1 with those packages, can a flavor build its LTS iso using ppa sources? [08:51] how does that work for e.g security updates? [08:51] No I don't think you can do that :( [08:52] right, what I though [09:11] Laney, I menat not the PPA, but -backports? [09:57] seb128: hey, i'm trying to get indicator-keyboard to use the logind dbus api, but don't really know how to get the permissions right for it [09:57] attente, hey, how are you? in what tz are you now? ;-) [09:58] seb128: still stuck in nz :) [09:58] "stuck" ;-) [09:59] attente, what do you want to use logind for/what's the permission issue? [09:59] seb128: indicator keyboard needs to know when the user locks their screen [09:59] why? [10:00] because if an ibus IM is selected at the time of lock, we want to try to change to the user's next best keyboard layout [10:01] hum, is that because ibus doesn't work on the lock screen? [10:02] is that specific to the new unity lock? [10:02] well, as much as how we had gnome-screensaver only cycling through keyboard layouts before [10:02] we don't use ibus IMs in the greeter [10:03] and we don't list any ibus IMs in the indicator menu (with the most recent change) [10:04] so it's a bit weird to have an ibus IM selected when they're not available in the menu iteself [10:04] sorry to spring it on you so close to release [10:04] no worry [10:04] I'm just trying to understand the situation ;-) [10:05] ideally to me it looks like ibus should be usable on the lock screen (though I guess that might not make sense, since password are things you need to be able to input on a vt ideally) [10:05] anyway, going back to logind [10:05] what permission issue do you get? [10:06] I'm also unsure it's the right interface to check if the screen is locked [10:06] Trevinho, andyrock: ^ what would be the right way to check if screen is locked? [10:06] seb128: not sure exactly, just that dbus rejects the send message to the system bus [10:07] ** (indicator-keyboard-service:28554): CRITICAL **: file main.c: line 4268: unexpected error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.420" (uid=1000 pid=28554 comm="lib/indicator-keyboard-service --force --use-gtk ") interface="org.freedesktop.login1.Manager" member="GetSessionByPid" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination="org.freedesktop. [10:08] seb128, using com.canonical.Unity.Session ? [10:08] seb128, should work if you monitor the signals [10:08] andyrock, see backlog, attente wants to modify indicator-keyboard's behaviour when the screen is locked [10:09] attente, what do you use logind for? can't you just use ^ on the user session bus? [10:09] seb128, you can use profiles for it no? [10:09] andyrock: looks promising, i'll try it [10:09] thanks! [10:09] andyrock, yeah, as well [10:09] well, I'm unsure about the profiles [10:09] they are both exported [10:10] you still need a signal telling you "locking happened, change things" [10:10] there is a signal [10:10] attente, I guess you are not going to join for the meeting later today? (middle of the night still for you right?) [10:10] seb128, also do you know where gnome turn off the screen? [10:11] guess not seb128 [10:11] andyrock, btw, several users confirmed on that bug that the double lock issue isn't solve, I can reproduce if I do twice the guest-user->log back loop here [10:11] yeah I'm working on it [10:11] it does work here [10:11] andyrock, gnome/unity-settings-daemon power plugin (which uses the gnome-screensaver interface for idle) [10:12] attente, ok ... can you update me on what issues you are working on then? ;-) [10:12] ah ok thanks! [10:12] seb128: sure [10:13] seb128: mainly (trying) getting the accelerators to work in the inkscape/emacs/eclipse menus [10:14] seb128: i had to patch gtk for it to work though... [10:14] seb128: and it doesn't really work for upstream eclipse, just ours [10:15] (getting accelerators to be visible i mean) [10:16] k [10:16] I noticed those were not listed for chromium either [10:16] I guess it's the same issue? [10:17] i didn't realize it was a chromium problem [10:17] * attente checks [10:18] i see accelerators in the menus there... [10:19] hum, are those the "Ctrl+Q" next to quit for example? (just to make sure we are speaking about the same thing) [10:19] well, maybe that's not a new issue [10:20] seb128: oh. seems to fix it too [10:21] great [10:21] is the gtk patch up for review somewhere? [10:21] https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/gtk/x-canonical-accel [10:21] I can try to get larsu to have a look if he surfaces back (he's at the fdo summit with desrt, not sure what happened to them though, they didn't show up at all since yesterday) [10:22] thanks [10:22] ok [10:22] I see you pushed a few good branches/fixes, I'm going to try to get them through review/landing in the next days [10:23] seb128: thanks! [10:23] how do you refresh the keyboard icons btw? I'm unsure if we have that documented somewhere but it looks like we should [10:23] yw! [10:24] seb128: yeah.. i guess i didn't :x [10:24] seb128: i'll add a small readme to i-k [10:24] thanks [10:25] looking to your assigned bugs I think you have the one I had flagged as "we should fix that for trusty" under control [10:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-keyboard/+bug/1293548 was the other one on my list [10:25] Launchpad bug 1293548 in indicator-keyboard (Ubuntu) "Indicator disappears when switching to non default layout" [High,Confirmed] [10:25] I see you have a libindicator mp up for it [10:25] attente, thanks for the status update ;-) [10:26] seb128: np! for that one, i couldn't tell if it was a gtk bug or a libindicator bug [10:27] there is something weird happening to the indicator sometimes though [10:27] attente: can't you just check the indicator profile? Indicators are loaded with desktop-lockscreen profile when in lock mode [10:27] That's also how we customize indicator session [10:28] attente, "Pinying" is usually a blue glyph icon, but sometime it ends up being a grey rectangle with letters (similar to "classic" layouts, but with a different bg color) [10:28] Trevinho: to quote seb128 "you still need a signal telling you "locking happened, change things"" [10:28] Trevinho, the issue is to change the active layout/input method, not only the indicator visual [10:28] seb128: i know that issue, seems to happen randomly at startup [10:29] seb128: what's the other "we should fix that for trusty" bug? [10:29] attente, the keybindings not listed in menus issue you are working on [10:29] seb128: ok, but still we need to remove to menu item to open the keyboard settings [10:29] e.g inkscape lost those [10:29] oh ok [10:30] inkscape will have them back with those two branches [10:30] Trevinho, https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/indicator-keyboard/1291962-2/+merge/213346 if you fancy doing the review ;-) [10:30] :) [10:31] attente, right, things are looking good for release, thanks! (also keep in mind that we are going to switch LTS updates for 12.04 users only a .1, so we still have some time for SRUs/polish after the release) [10:31] attente, said differently, don't loose sleep over lack of polish/small bugs for release [10:32] looks like he's losing sleep currently :P [10:32] Laney: it's not even my bedtime yet :P [10:33] seb128: when is the. 1 planned? [10:33] Trevinho, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule [10:33] oh, that doesn't have it [10:33] unsure but likely mid-summer [10:33] attente: man, I'm so old [10:33] Eh no ;) [10:33] when are you back in .ca? [10:34] Trevinho, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule for comparaison [10:36] what does "Missing callback called fullpath" from gio mean? [10:37] seb128: ah btw I've finally fixed that text rendering issue for Radiance... You should eventually get slick fonts. It wasn't usable for me before, but never realized why. [10:52] happyaron: ubuntukylin-default-settings needs updating for ibus-db-pinyin-android (typed that from memory so maybe wrong) removal [10:53] Laney: already in my list [10:53] ok [10:53] getting image build failures about it :) [10:53] :) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:04] Trevinho, nice [11:13] how can i nuke the hud from orbit so that pressing alt won't open it ever in the future? [11:14] i disable the keybinding, but it keeps returning :( [11:15] dobey, settings -> keyboard -> change the keybinding? [11:15] that's weird [11:15] well, changing work fine here [11:18] yeah it works fine for a while, but it keeps getting reset [11:18] on my laptop [11:18] k, never saw that [11:19] but I don't unset it, I set it to a less-likely-to-hit key === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === psivaa is now known as psivaa-lunch === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:22] hello [13:23] wrong win :) === psivaa-lunch is now known as psivaa [13:49] I just found out that you can set a UTC GCal event to Reykjavik and it'll track timezone changes properly ;-) [13:49] * Laney now knows when the desktop team meeting is [13:50] Laney, lol [13:50] the meeting is in 1h40 [13:50] yep! [13:51] it works because Iceland is GMT without any DST [13:51] utc is easy, no need of Reykjavik [13:51] * ogra_ thinks thats a secret hint that Laney wants a sprint there [13:51] hot springs... [13:51] * seb128 doesn't understand what laney is speaking about [13:52] you can add utc tz in your indicator [13:52] seb128, but not to gcal ... at google [13:52] you say what timezone the event is in [13:52] and gcal converts it to your home timezone [13:52] oh, I see what you mean now [13:52] there is no way to set to "utc"? [13:52] but they don't have an actual UTC option [13:53] shrug [13:53] stupid google :p [13:53] so you set it to iceland which turns out to be the same [14:22] Android doesn't have a UTC clock option either. First, pick continent, then city. But, UTC is not a place. === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:11] larsu, hey, i have a gsettings-qt question [15:12] i have a click hook that runs, which uses gsettings-qt [15:12] but sometimes it fails to commit [15:12] i'm thinking maybe the hook is exiting before finishing with gsettings-qt [15:13] larsu, or maybe it's worse than that... sometimes i see connection refused warnings for dconf [15:14] (process:1962): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to dconf: Could not connect: Connection refused [15:23] kenvandine: desrt says your dbus is gone [15:23] is gdbus (the command line tool) working? [15:23] i can only reproduce this when the click hook is run with pkcon [15:23] if i run the hook myself it works fine [15:23] hm, no idea sorry [15:24] and i don't think it always fails from pkcon [15:24] and we're being kicked out of the venue right now. bbl [15:24] larsu, thx [15:25] tedg, do you have any ideas ^^ [15:25] i think it only happens when the click hook runs from pkcon [15:25] larsu, I don't like your venue :p [15:25] Sorry, confused [15:25] larsu, first no internet, then they kick you out [15:25] I don't think I have enough backlog [15:26] ah [15:26] (process:1962): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to dconf: Could not connect: Connection refused [15:26] tedg, i see that in click-user-hooks.log [15:26] so the content-hub hook fails to save the setting sometimes [15:27] kenvandine, Hmm, nothing off hand, but I'd guess that it doesn't have the right dbus session address? [15:27] tedg, of course that log file is pretty limited in info... no way to know for sure that warning is from my hook :) [15:28] but i know sometimes it doesn't change when run on package update [15:28] kenvandine, It's probably wheter it's run by the click-user-hooks upstart job or by the core update. [15:28] running the hook myself works everytime [15:28] kenvandine, Guessing that the upstart job works, and manually does not. [15:29] But that'd probably be best discussed with cjwatson. [15:29] wait... you mean the other way around? [15:29] Guessing that it doesn't pull over the environment to the root part of it, and when flipping back doesn't get the session bus. [15:29] it wouldn't be in this log if it wasn't run with click-user-hooks [15:29] Oh, this is the upstart log? [15:29] are there any other hooks that access dbus or gsettings? [15:29] yes [15:30] that is from click-user-hooks.log [15:30] kenvandine, Ah, so it's needs to dep on dbus. [15:30] kenvandine, Which it doesn't now. [15:30] kenvandine, tedg: sorry, i'm going to ask you to move channel, we are about to start our weekly meeting [15:30] kenvandine, Right now click-user-hooks can run before dbus [15:30] oh... i see! [15:30] * tedg gets kicked out like a larsu [15:31] qengho, Sweetsha1k, mlankhorst, Laney, tkamppeter__, desrt(?), larsu(?), kenvandine: hey, it's meeting time [15:31] yo. === tkamppeter__ is now known as tkamppeter [15:31] oy [15:31] o/ [15:31] hi === Sweetsha1k is now known as Sweetshark [15:31] I hope everyone was happy about state of things in trusty beta, it's looking great ;-) [15:31] let's get started [15:31] qengho, hey [15:32] Done: beta Chromium in PPA looks pretty good. [15:32] Done: abandoned mental anguish about unavailable Flash plugins after I discovered a downloader package already in mulltiverse. [15:32] In-progress: fixing minor bugs that come with the new internal toolkit. [15:32] EOF [15:33] qengho, thanks [15:33] That upstream Beta should be made Stable in the next week or so. Then, the PPA contents go into distro. [15:34] well, that's getting close from release [15:34] but I guess if it's not in release it can be SRUed? === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch [15:34] seb128: Yes. Not SRU exactly, but via security updates, yes. [15:35] ok, makes sense [15:35] qengho, thanks [15:35] Sweetshark, hey [15:35] - 4.2.3~rc2 to trusty finished [15:35] - autopkgtests run on jenkins, unfortunately marked as a fail for a spurious stderr output https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Trusty/view/AutoPkgTest/job/trusty-adt-libreoffice/307/ [15:35] - 3.5.7/precise update pending feedback of the security guys, but ready to go [15:35] - some more bug triage [15:35] - updating backups [15:35] - some more work on the great ./debian/rules cleanup in LibreOffice [15:35] EOF [15:37] Sweetshark, thanks [15:37] I need to ping the security team [15:38] 4.2.4 is scheduled for ~May, 6, we should SRU that quickly for the LTS. Im hoping to also do an update for bug 1008277 (which is trivial, but related to unity and was recently fixed upstream( [15:38] Launchpad bug 1008277 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[upstream] Recent menu botches file names" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1008277 [15:38] ok [15:38] Sweetshark, thanks [15:39] mlankhorst, hey [15:41] no mlankhorst? [15:41] Laney, your turn then! [15:41] * Laney ponders staying silent for trolling purposes [15:41] • Investigated and fixed QML Date.timeZoneUpdated() bug, in distro now (after much time running AP tests) [15:41] • Investigated and fixed glib test failures which came from a Debian patch - new version pushed upstream [15:41] • FTBFS fixes vips gtkpod, sent upstream [15:41] • Investigate (with in_finity) a pkgbinarymangler bug where it created broken symlinks [15:42] • Many many FFe and queue reviews and other release-y exception-y discussions [15:42] • Poke at the tz selector in u-s-s to try and make it faster (not easy to move it to another thread, so trying some other optimisations) [15:42] • Hopeful ubuntuone-credentials x-building fix to keep u-s-s cross buildable (built, need to test) [15:42] • Fix whoopsie-preferences crashing when turning automatic crash reporting on, as we do on the phone (approved, need to upload) [15:42] ❂ [15:42] Laney, thanks! [15:42] tkamppeter, hey [15:43] - Google Summer of Code 2014: Some organizational work so that all worthwile applications for the Linux Foundation have a mentor and are accepted. [15:43] - CUPS: Coordination of getting Upstart support including socket activation fully integrated in the Debian package of CUPS, so that we can sync with Debian again after the release of Trusty. [15:43] - cups-filters: Released 1.0.50 working around PostScript interpreter bugs in printers from Toshiba and in old HP LaserJet printers and to let cups-browsed cope with colons in print server host names and IPs (IPv6). [15:43] - ghostscript: Fix bug of PCL-XL driver producing huge files from some input PDF files. [15:43] - Bugs. [15:44] tkamppeter, thanks [15:46] seb128, my turn? [15:47] kenvandine, yes, sorry, 5 discussions in // here [15:47] he's too busy trying to find a samba maintainer [15:47] lol [15:47] hahaha [15:47] * Assorted content-hub bug fixes since last weeks landing, being tested in silo 11 now [15:47] * landed fixes to the share component in ubuntu-ui-extras, hopefully we'll be seeing more share handlers soon [15:47] Sweetshark, the security team says it's fine to upload the SRU for precise [15:48] seb128: k [15:48] also, we've gotten downloads working from the browser using the download manager and content-hub [15:48] not ready to land yet, but end to end works... [15:48] need to get the transfer indicator in the middle there to finish it [15:49] /EOF [15:50] seb128, is there someone who can help andyrock out with the gnome-screensaver/lock/power issues? Especially someone who can reproduce them? [15:50] bregma, sorry, in a meeting, coming back to you in a few minutes (we are almost done) [15:50] I can reproduce the power issue [15:51] kenvandine, thanks ;-) (sorry I didn't have much slots to play with the new content-hub yet, I still want to look at it for ringtones) [15:51] but I can't fix it. Spent one week on g-s code trying to understand something [15:52] seb128, no worries, i've just been focusing on bugs and polish [15:52] ok, my turn [15:52] * trusty beta testing [15:52] * looked at some translation issues [15:52] * patch pilot day (queue 60 -> 30) [15:52] * desktop updates (totem-pl-parser, gdk-pixbuf, shotwell) [15:52] * debugged/fixed sessioninstaller not working with current gstreamer [15:52] * wrote a testcase for an uss reported issue which turned out to be a toolkit one [15:52] * looked at samba sharing not working, uploaded a fix (ubuntu delta dropped in merge) [15:52] * quite some bugs triage and debugging/forwarding of issues [15:52] * CI train landing (mostly indicators) [15:53] [15:53] I'm currently reviewing some of u-s-s stacked branches, QA pinged about the autopilot ones that are stalled here [15:53] . [15:54] I got confused about the state of those, there seems to be a few in play [15:54] ok, did I forget anyone? ;-) any question/other topic? [15:54] thanks for looking [15:54] yw! [15:55] ok, no other topic [15:55] [15:55] thanks everyone === howefield is now known as howefield_afk [15:55] merci! [15:57] bregma, andyrock: so, to help ... I need to check tonight with robert_ancell if he has free slots for that [15:57] andyrock, being stucked for a week is not good, next time please ask on the channel or send emails [15:57] either pick some people, or use the desktop list [15:58] We have final freeze next week [15:58] andyrock, you can't reproduce the double locking if you do "log in, use the indicator to start guest, close guest, log back from unity-greeter to your session, use the indicator to start guest, close guest, log back from unity-greeter to your session" ? [15:59] I think we should take a decision on the lockscreen this week looking at progress on fixing the issues [15:59] right [16:00] that's basically what the discussion comes from, I pinged bregma telling him that it's about time we rollback if we decide the issues can't be fixed for release [16:01] there's time for some work between .0 and .1 but the feature should be basically solid for release [16:02] right, like the double lock and screen-never-turn-off need to be fixed for release [16:02] nod [16:17] larsu: I've been pinged by a guy who wants to port Ambiance to Gshell, but... He told me that using it there the headerbar decorated windows are non-resizable... Just as it happens in unity. Might that be something theme-related? [16:18] seb128, nope [16:18] I can't reproduce it [16:18] Laney: that seems related to an older bug than our new decorations https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1263317 [16:18] bschaefer can't reproduce it too [16:18] Launchpad bug 1263317 in Ubuntu theme "Not working on GTK 3 windows" [Undecided,Confirmed] [16:18] andyrock, shrug [16:18] andyrock, did you try a fresh trusty install in a vm or something? [16:19] you guys have locally hacked version? [16:20] Trevinho: 'that'? [16:26] seb128, nope all archive [16:30] andyrock, I wonder what's the difference between our systems :/ [16:30] seb128: sorry! was testing ubuntu on qxl. :P [16:32] dobey: dirspec says it implements the xdg user dir spec, but I can't find it [16:32] does it actually? [16:32] (if so, what's the api?) [16:35] Laney: it only immplements basedir at the moment. plan was to immplement user dirs too, but never got around to it === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox [16:35] nod [16:35] the description says it does :) [16:35] I can't actually find a python library which implements user dir, which is sad [16:36] doesn't python-xdg? [16:36] doesn't look like it [16:36] or you can use GLib from gi [16:37] ya [16:38] Laney, what are you working on? (checking if that's in context of https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu-system-settings/fix_tests/+merge/210102) [16:38] it is [16:39] I'm not working on it, just saw the email [16:39] ok, so I should hold on approving it? ;-) [16:39] I'm going to comment saying they could use a library to get the names [16:39] bit of a nitpick [16:39] ok [16:39] * om26er waves [16:39] seems like an improvement fine for another round [16:39] the surprise is all spoiled! [16:40] I often feel like 'another round' means never [16:40] but yes [16:40] om26er, https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu-system-settings/fix_tests/+merge/210102 and https://code.launchpad.net/~vrruiz/ubuntu-system-settings/helper-launch-system-settings/+merge/213450 conflict, could one of you or Victor rebase on the other one? [16:42] seb128, ok, I pinged Victor on that ;) [16:43] seb128, maybe it's just a race [16:45] andyrock, it's 100% reliable here though, works on first user switch, then bug, only with guest session so far [16:45] like if I go to greeter and back it's fine [16:47] om26er: I'm here :) [16:48] seb128: Does it conflict? [16:48] rvr, i didn't know that was your nick :) [16:48] om26er: :)) [16:49] om26er: What's your branch? [16:49] rvr, https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu-system-settings/fix_tests/+merge/210102 [16:50] rvr, om26er: right [16:50] Text conflict in tests/autopilot/ubuntu_system_settings/tests/__init__.py [16:50] 1 conflicts encountered. [16:50] when trying to merge both [16:51] om26er: My merge proposal is more simple (simplier?), what do you think? [16:51] rvr, om26er: basically it would be nice if one of you rebase on the other one, I've no strong feeling each way [16:51] seb128: Neither I do [16:52] seb128: I have to go now, so either mine lands first or I will rebase mine later or tomorrow morning [16:52] om26er: ^^ [16:52] rvr, i am working on it now then [16:52] rvr, om26er: thanks [16:52] Great [16:53] om26er: Write me if you need help from me, please [16:57] seb128, rebased on victor's branch, added that as prerequisite now [16:57]