[08:04] <bashrc> morning
[08:15] <diplo> Morning all
[08:16] <dwatkins> hey folks
[08:32] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Batman Day! :-D
[08:33] <nigelb> JamesTait: Nanananananananananananananananananananananananananana.....
[08:34] <JamesTait> nigelb, Batmaaaaaaaaaaaan!
[08:34] <nigelb> :D
[08:40] <popey> Happy mailman day.
[08:42] <JamesTait> popey, Batman delivers your mail?
[08:44] <jussi> dammit, I want that also!
[08:46] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:51] <bashrc> mailman day?
[08:51] <nigelb> Mailman day indeed.
[08:51]  * nigelb sees at least 4 different emails from mailman.
[08:51] <bashrc> http://www.list.org/
[09:50] <BigRedS> I'm trying to build deb packages of snort; when I do ./configure; make  it succeeds (exits 0) but debuild errors out saying "cc1: all warnings being treated as errors" amongst its output
[09:51] <BigRedS> Presumably one way to fix this is to turn off that warnings-are-errors, but I can't see where this is set and why debuild does it, anyone know how to do that? Or what I should be looking for
[09:52] <BigRedS> does debuild set its own CFLAGS to override whatever the configure script does?
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> it's -Werror
[09:53] <BigRedS> yeah, that's the sort of thing I've been trying to grep for
[10:14] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:15] <bashrc> morning
[10:34] <BigRedS> Ah! Apparently dpkg-buildflags is my culprit!
[10:57] <Hornet> https://uk.celebrity.yahoo.com/news/benedict-cumberbatch-star-sherlock-game-thrones-crossover-090449821.html
[11:09] <BigRedS> I'm sure you're not supposed to do that past midday
[11:16] <DJones> bigcalm: davmor2 Are your peugot's petrol or diesel, if they're diesel, have you had any issues with the clutch on them, doing a bit research, I've been told that the clutch can be a bit weak because of a dual mass flywheel
[11:16] <davmor2> DJones: Diesel and my clutch is fine
[11:17] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:17] <bigcalm> DJones: diesel and no problem with the clutch
[11:17] <DJones> Ta, I'm getting a bit concerned about the potential cost of replacement if it fails, being told it'll cost around £1000
[11:18] <DJones> But seems to be similar on most diesels now
[11:19] <davmor2> DJones: mine iirc is knocking on 1200,000-ish the only issues I had were the rear wiper and the Joint on the drivers side I think they call it a frapp joint iirc but it is their idea of the ball joint effectively
[11:20] <davmor2> Those were particularly cheap but at the same time weren't that expensive either
[11:21] <bigcalm> That's reminded me to get a new rear wiper blade, ta
[11:21] <DJones> Cheers, I think its just a case of pick car and go for it
[11:27] <jussi> DJones: just do yourself a favour and buy a volvo
[11:28] <Laney> bah
[11:28] <Laney> I've started getting PPI scam phone calls loads in the last few days
[11:29]  * Laney finds a blacklist
[11:30] <DJones> jussi: I considered them, but they're a fair bit more expensive to buy & not as many around
[11:31] <jussi> DJones: yeah, true, but they will go for 3x as long...
[11:32] <jussi> and I've said it like a million times... "The devil lives in France - and he makes cars!"
[11:32] <foobarry> Laney: an android blacklist?
[11:32] <Laney> foobarry: ya
[11:32] <Laney> luckily they don't call from a withheld number
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> the Cantina on Mos Eisley didn't allow droids either
[11:33] <jussi> DJones: are you looking for something for the family? or?
[11:34] <DJones> jussi: Volvo's have the same clutch replacement pricing issue
[11:34] <DJones> Yes, family estate, dog in the back, caravan on the back etc, probably Peugeot 407/Mondeo/Insignia estate
[11:35] <foobarry> Laney: was unaware of blacklists for adnroid, please let us know what you find
[11:35] <Laney> foobarry: I went to the call log, clicked on the number, pressed the menu button and there was "Add to blacklist" in there
[11:35] <Laney> running cyanogen though
[11:36] <jussi> DJones: as much as I generally hate ford, the mondeo is an excellent car for that kind of thing. I have several friends who are very happy with them
[11:37] <foobarry> i have my own blacklist, but wondered if some nice people ditribute one
[11:37] <jussi> DJones: on the other side of things, have you considered a Skoda?
[11:37] <foobarry> that i can use on the android
[11:37] <xplora1a> put you phone number on the Direct Marketing Association do not call list http://www.dmaconsumers.org/cgi/offtelephonedave/
[11:37] <foobarry> good luck
[11:37] <DJones> jussi: The Mondeo was my first choice originally, then various people said not to get one, but I'm looking more at them now that every car seems to have the same issue
[11:37] <foobarry> i get spammed my ppl all day long, with no regard for do not call list
[11:37] <bashrc> I have a special hate of telemarketers
[11:38] <bashrc> do not call can sometimes be effective, but given the global nature of spam not always
[11:38] <DJones> jussi: I looked at the skoda octavia, but a bit light for what I may want to tow in future so had to forget that
[11:39] <jussi> DJones: really? that would suprise me....
[11:39] <xplora1a> oops this is the right link for the tps http://www.tpsonline.org.uk/tps/index.html
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25222891
[11:40] <DJones> jussi: Yeah, surprised me as well, they're a bit limited even though they win tow car of the year awards from most places
[11:40] <jussi> DJones: the 2.0TDI is a very good motor, Im a bit suprised tbh
[11:41] <jussi> DJones: you should just import a V8 commodore from australia :D
[11:41] <DJones> jussi: From the skoda website The ŠKODA Octavia’s 1,330kg kerbweight makes it the lightest overall winner in the seven-year history of the Tow Car Awards. That means it’s best suited to pulling relatively light tourers
[11:41] <jussi> DJones: and have you considered a town truck? (city 4WD) ?
[11:42] <DJones> jussi: Should go back to my Sedonna, that could probably tow an articulated lorrey
[11:42] <DJones> jussi: Don';t want 4WD because of the fuel consumption
[11:44] <jussi> DJones: I still highly suggest a V70 ;) (or XC70)
[11:44] <DJones> :)
[11:44] <jussi> DJones: i had an S80 for some time - was fantastic
[11:45] <jussi> DJones: Ive seen many a V70/S80 that happily go for 700 000km
[11:46] <DJones> I can believe it, volvos are pretty much bomb proof
[11:46] <jussi> I guess that is why they are a bit more expensive
[11:46] <jussi> DJones: do you like motorsport at all ?
[11:47] <DJones> Not anymore, I used to, but gave up on F1, only ones I may watch now are Indycart or Nascar
[11:47] <jussi> if you havent seen this... was awesome! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAFRS5r2g8E
[11:50] <DJones> Nice, I used to watch the Bathurst races, they were always good for "incidents"
[11:51] <jussi> I love the V8 supercars - especially as they have added mercedes, volvo and nissan to it
[11:53] <DJones> What was the big Holden supercars that used to get raced? GTS/GTR?
[11:54] <DJones> GTS
[11:55] <DJones> Used to do the accounts for an 'exotic car' importer & he had one in, took me for a ride in it, that was a hell of a car
[11:58] <jussi> DJones: i went in a mclaren at 3 sisters a few weeks ago, that was fun
[11:59] <DJones> jussi: Sounds good, I've been on OUlton Park in the old Escort RS's and single seaters, thats quite fun
[12:30] <Hornet> [12:09] <BigRedS> I'm sure you're not supposed to do that past midday
[12:30] <Hornet> it was before
[12:33] <BigRedS> Not according to my client :) But I don't have the logs here now
[12:36] <Myrtti> oh, obviously that wasn't the april fools
[12:37] <Myrtti> april fools was that we bend time and posted that actually 12 hours prior
[12:46] <MooDoo> afternoon all :D
[12:50] <MooDoo> quiet in here today
[13:01] <nigelb> hi MooDoo
[13:10] <brobostigon> afternoodlings MooDoo
[13:19] <foobarry> glad to hear that nuts mag is dead
[13:20] <foobarry> now for zoo
[13:28] <MooDoo> can't say I ever read it, although I do prefer the old sunday sport :D  that's real.
[13:28] <MooDoo> ;)
[13:34] <popey> I dont think I've ever seen inside Zoo or Nuts
[13:37] <foobarry> popey: me neither, but the front cover is sufficient
[13:39]  * bigcalm tuts
[13:58] <foobarry> can you edit a docx file uploaded to google docs?
[13:58] <foobarry> >>yes , but you have to right click and choose editor instead of viewer :S
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> only if you convert it first
[14:00] <foobarry> what a faff
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> nah, it only edits its own format
[14:01] <foobarry> not very intuitive as to what is happening though
[14:13] <foobarry> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1215513
[14:13] <foobarry> fixed or not?
[14:15] <foobarry> join #elementary-dev
[14:16] <foobarry> woops
[14:17] <mapps> hey
[14:47] <foobarry> is now zrammed up
[14:51] <daftykins> foobarry: now we know you're a double agent for elementary! ;)
[14:53] <foobarry> :P
[14:53] <dwatkins> Professor Elemental? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eELH0ivexKA
[14:56] <mapps> zrammed?
[14:57] <dwatkins> our IT guy sent around a mail about training for MS Outlook, Sharepoint etc. - I asked if it was an April fools' joke.
[14:57] <daftykins> :D:D
[14:57] <daftykins> was it not?
[14:58] <dwatkins> it was serious
[14:59] <daftykins> d'aww
[14:59] <daftykins> sharepoint ugh
[14:59] <dwatkins> yeah
[15:01] <daftykins> i remember when i was teaching at my old College, this new lecturer was desperate to move us to using it for department shared documents like grade tracking and so on
[15:02] <daftykins> but i liked just having it on a network drive =|
[15:02] <daftykins> especially as i used to work in their IT support dept. so i knew sharepoint wasn't backed up ;D
[15:13] <mapps> u were teaching? cool
[15:13] <daftykins> just briefly to help out an old College of FE yeah
[15:13] <mapps> cool
[15:14] <daftykins> (further education)
[15:14] <daftykins> gotta stop assuming people know it, heh
[15:14] <daftykins> to this day peeps come up to me and go haaaaaai Dave, at random gigs and stuff across the island, only i may not even know them
[15:14] <mapps> i knew it
[15:14] <mapps> from school?
[15:15] <daftykins> nah like ex students and stuff
[15:15] <daftykins> from said College time
[15:20] <mapps> ah
[15:37] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/a7fx2r188oaeh66/lappy.JPG
[15:37] <daftykins> blast from the past
[15:44] <dwatkins> both the phone and the laptop, yeah
[15:45] <daftykins> :>
[16:12] <mapps> :)
[16:13] <mapps> what yiu doing with that
[16:15] <daftykins> just digging out some old pictures from years ago
[16:15] <popey> heh, i do that now and then
[16:15] <daftykins> i had that when i was a student in said college ~2003
[16:16] <daftykins> bought the Dell from ebay for £140 :D
[16:16] <popey> i go back and find pictures I took on this day some years back and then post them to family on fb
[16:17] <daftykins> thats neat
[16:18] <popey> wow, time flies
[16:18] <popey> found a picture of Sam (who would have been 4 at the time) playing a game on my ipad 1st gen
[16:18] <popey> he still plays it
[16:18] <daftykins> :)
[16:19] <daftykins> hrmm, those earlier iPads and what not that have been ditched from iOS updates, would they still contain that big SSL bug?
[16:19] <popey> mine is on ios5
[16:19] <mapps> ive got the ipad air:D and nexus7
[16:19] <dwatkins> iOS 5 never had that bug, it's only iOS 6 that did.
[16:19] <daftykins> ah i see
[16:19] <daftykins> and 7
[16:20] <dwatkins> http://www.iphonehacks.com/2014/02/fix-ssl-bug-without-upgrading-ios-7-0-6-ios-6-1-6.html
[16:20] <popey> the oldest photo I have in my collection is from 1999
[16:20] <popey> wifey at the airport before I took her on holiday and proposed ☻
[16:20] <daftykins> 8D
[16:34] <bigcalm> Aww
[16:55] <mapps> rejecte dagain
[16:55] <mapps> 2nd ballot for tickets to bayern v united
[16:55] <mapps> ;/
[18:20] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8i16eae5050qx8w/zelda.png
[18:21] <daftykins> aww yeah
[18:51] <DJones> popey: You around?
[18:51] <DJones> Never mind, an ops was needed in on-aire
[18:53] <popey> surprised jono let that go on as long as he did
[18:56] <DJones> I'm not in the channel so didn't see what was happening, maybe look at logs next time they update
[18:58]  * DJones wonders why software updater doesn't notify me of updates with 14.04
[18:59] <DJones> popey: Seems like they're back and you have ops
[19:12] <diddledan> dear lord these are nuts: http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/if-you-want-laughs-and-to-feel-a-bit-sick-you-should-follow
[19:12] <diddledan> photos from crap taxidermy's twitter
[19:23] <daftykins> diddledan: excellent find
[19:45] <mapps> hmm
[19:45] <mapps> cant access my webs erver externally and the ports are forwarded
[19:45] <mapps> and no iptables rules
[19:48] <daftykins> daemon stopped?
[19:48] <mapps> na
[19:48] <mapps> its this zentyal
[19:48] <mapps> causing trouble
[19:48] <mapps> cant seem to get rid of it now
[19:49] <directhex> popey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7191275/ is the apparmour log moan
[19:51] <mapps> hmm
[19:52] <mapps> https://46.64.196.96
[19:52] <mapps> works
[19:52] <mapps> but normal wont
[19:54] <daftykins> sounds like your default site has been edited
[19:54] <daftykins> under apache config
[19:55] <mapps> sec
[19:55] <mapps> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7191300/
[19:55] <mapps> i wanna get rid of zentyal and nginx i dunno how now..i added their repo and installed but just cant get t to go
[19:56] <popey> directhex: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1298021 same as me right?
[19:57] <directhex> yes
[19:58] <mapps> any ideas daftykins?
[19:59] <popey> directhex: checked with security bod, it's on his list, it will be fixed
[19:59] <directhex> ok, great
[19:59] <directhex> next on my list: convince gnome to stop being hidpi
[20:04] <daftykins> mapps: were you always using nginx?
[20:05] <daftykins> mapps: surely just remove the packages? :)
[21:02] <bigcalm> New Humble Bundle is out. Only really interested in 3 items in it though: Droken Sword 2, Bridge Constructor and Type:Rider
[21:02] <bigcalm> Likely to give away the other 3 titles
[21:05] <popey> ooh
[21:06]  * bigcalm also buys Goat Simulator
[21:10] <bigcalm> Planet Explorers looks nice
[21:10] <diddledan> that goat stimulator looks .. erm .. weird
[21:11] <diddledan> I'm not sure I quite understand the concept
[21:12] <diddledan> is it "you're a goat. now go get killed in the weirdest way possible"?
[21:35] <daftykins> diddledan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3YyOMqqMDg
[21:35] <daftykins> warning NSFW ^
[21:35] <daftykins> not safe for human consumption
[21:36] <daftykins> rude language, etc.
[21:44] <dwatkins> "Any key?! Where's the any key?!" - Home Simpson
[21:44] <daftykins> exactly :D
[21:45] <Seeker`> All this computer hacking is making me thirsty, I think I'll start a tab
[21:45] <dwatkins> If you want a tab pal, you gotta buy something!
[21:45] <dwatkins> (that was a quote from Back to the Future)
[21:45] <Seeker`> (mine was from simpsons :P)
[21:46] <Seeker`> followed by "Ooh, no time now, its starting"
[21:46] <Seeker`> I think
[21:46] <daftykins> http://a1.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Purple/v4/5e/89/1a/5e891af6-22cc-e33a-2772-ed579dfe1534/mzl.oojxehsl.png
[21:46] <daftykins> i got this for you
[21:47] <dwatkins> Why does tab have two arrows on it?
[21:47] <Seeker`> you can make text go either way with it
[21:47] <bigcalm> Tab goes to the right. Shift+tab goes to the left
[21:47] <daftykins> perhaps it's to refer to countries that write from right to left :D
[21:48] <dwatkins> ah yes, of course
[21:48] <bigcalm> I don't think that's it
[21:48] <dwatkins> and ctrl-tab goes to the next tab...
[21:48] <dwatkins> ...and ctrl-shift-tab takes you to places you can only imagine
[21:49] <daftykins> like from www.zombo.com
[21:49] <bigcalm> http://imgur.com/gallery/ltMAjH1
[21:50]  * bigcalm slithers off to bed
[21:51] <dwatkins> bigcalm: that's ace, reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP4fWMLofvo
[21:52] <diddledan> how does that imgur work?!
[21:52] <diddledan> ah hah
[21:53] <diddledan> it's not clever at all - they just screenshotted the comments and pasted that at the foot of the image to make it appear clever
[21:53] <daftykins> :P
[21:53] <daftykins> a good effort nonetheless
[21:53] <daftykins> even if it is still a major timewasters website
[21:55] <diddledan> I'm guessing they posted this in advance of 1st april: http://imgur.com/blog/2014/03/31/introducing-imgur-viralizer/
[21:57] <dwatkins> The URL kinda gives that away ;)
[21:57] <diddledan> well my point was that the url says march 31st which is, to the best of my knowledge, not april fools day
[21:58] <dwatkins> It is in Australia...
[21:58] <diddledan> yeah, but it's also winter there
[21:59] <dwatkins> indeed http://peasandcougars.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/is-winter-coming-flowchart.jpg
[21:59] <diddledan> (or will be once we can get rid of the effects up here)
[21:59] <diddledan> lol
[21:59] <dwatkins> It must be really strange to see people dressed as Santa Claus / Father Christmas in the height of a blazing summer.
[22:00] <dwatkins> Also, a fire hazard around the bar-be-que.
[22:00] <diddledan> he should have a summer version for the upside-downers
[22:00] <diddledan> sports shorts and a vest
[22:01] <dwatkins> I think I need a better graphics card for my windows - the draw distance is really low when I look outside.
[22:02] <diddledan> o_O
[22:02] <diddledan> the backlight has broken on my window
[22:02] <daftykins> >:)
[22:02] <daftykins> i find nature needs to upgrade the sea since GTA V came out
[22:03]  * diddledan wonders how AlanBell is getting on with the libertos cluster
[22:04] <diddledan> once ubuntu/libertos is compiled I suggest retasking the pis to world domination activities
[22:18] <daftykins> diddledan: skynet becomes pinet?
[22:19] <diddledan> that's a clever parallel
[22:19] <daftykins> ;)
[22:19] <diddledan> I like :-)
[22:21] <diddledan> just been watching this: https://www.meteor.com/screencast <-- I'm worried by their seeming lack of authentication requirements to access the database backend - it seems that anybody driving-by an app can arbitrarily add and remove stuff from the database
[22:40] <daftykins> all beyond me i'm afraid
[23:25] <dwatkins> http://xkcd.com/327/ explains all