[13:49] <thafreak> loco in akron? there'sa lug that's active in akron, don't think there's a loco though
[13:53] <thafreak> jrgifford: i think you could do that using libvirt...
[13:54] <thafreak> wire each vm to a tty
[13:54] <thafreak> oh
[13:54] <thafreak> unless you meant gui
[13:54] <thafreak> i was thinking terminal...
[13:54] <thafreak> nm
[13:55] <Unit193> Right, LUG.
[13:57] <thafreak> I have alot of 14.04 testing to do :/
[13:57] <thafreak> I'm about to upgrade a few lucid servers...debating on 12.04, or just waiting a few weeks and going to 14.04
[13:58] <thafreak> Anyone try 14.04 on the server? Anyone try it as a libvirt/kvm host?
[13:59] <Unit193> I just finished updating a desktop to it, but not done the server yet.
[14:00] <Unit193> (Won't be doing that for a little.)
[14:00] <thafreak> i've only tried the gnome desktop install so far...
[14:00] <Unit193> Xfce here.
[14:00] <thafreak> I've been using gnome on jessie though...so
[14:01] <thafreak> i'm using xfce at work...but i dunno...things behave odd...it's probably the machine...but i dunno
[14:01] <thafreak> plus the newest evolution can natively talk to my employer's stupid exchange P.O.S.
[14:02] <thafreak> Unit193: are you one of the folks that's more straight debian...or you still pretty ubuntu loyal?
[14:04] <Unit193> Desktops are Xubuntu (or Lubuntu), I haven't touched Mainbuntu for a while and do not plan to.  I have a nice Debian server, and an Ubuntu one.  I like both, but Xubuntu tends to keep Xfce just a hair fresher, as Ubuntu does with other desktop applications I use. :/
[14:04] <thafreak> gotcha
[14:05] <thafreak> i'm liking debian testing as my dev desktops...but I just can't do it as a server...I'd be installing updates daily
[14:06] <Unit193> Debian testing makes a nice server for me, I'd likely use Unstable for the desktop.
[14:06] <thafreak> and since jessie is so close to being released, I'm leary of setting up a new wheezy server, as I'd have to upgrade it in like 2 years
[14:07] <thafreak> how often you running updateS?
[14:08] <Unit193> Every few days, but could do with less.  Reboots aren't often.
[14:08] <thafreak> seems there's a hundered every couple days for me (on the one box where I'm running testing as a server)
[14:08] <Unit193> Mmm, you must have more packages than I do.
[14:09] <thafreak> i'm running docker on it...so probably
[14:09] <thafreak> docker gets updated pretty frequently itself lately
[14:10] <thafreak> the other thing is, I was reading and the security team states that they don't always get around to releasing security fixes for testing as fast
[14:10] <thafreak> they suggest sticking with stable for prompt security fixes
[14:10] <thafreak> i dunno
[14:10] <thafreak> but I'm feeling less and less inclined to stick with ubuntu
[14:11] <thafreak> I just like the fact that I can install trusty, and then not have to worry about re-install for 5 years
[14:11] <Unit193> Eh, security updates are set to high, which means they take what, 3 days to transition?
[14:12] <Unit193> Man, can almost remove all of gstreamer0.10, only deps now are pidgin/finch, xfce4-mixer, opera, and xfburn.
[14:12] <thafreak> is gstreamer getting phased out? or you personally don't want it?
[14:13] <Unit193> gstreamer1.0 is the new kid.
[14:13] <thafreak> is that targeted for trusty?
[14:13] <Unit193> Don't think so, those won't be updated.
[14:14] <Unit193> (opera could be removed, I never use it at all, xombrero and firefox all the way.)  Also, re: samba.  One trusty box I updated hasn't worked right when it comes to sharing printers or files since, though it can browse them. :/
[14:16] <thafreak> hmmm
[14:16] <thafreak> good to know
[14:16] <thafreak> That project is coming up...
[14:16] <Unit193> Same version "works" in Debian testing though.  (randomly get a strange segfault though.)
[14:18] <thafreak> ugh...
[14:19] <thafreak> hopefully it gets fixed in trusty in the next few weels
[14:19] <thafreak> weeks
[14:19] <thafreak> perhaps I should test it myself...maybe submit a bug
[14:20] <Unit193> That'd be nice, except you'll confirm that it's somehow something here. :P
[14:20] <Unit193> (Please let me know if you do.)
[14:22] <thafreak> i was [planning on moving setting up a new windows vm at work anyway...might as well set up a trusty and testing vm too
[15:35] <jrgifford> thafreak: yeah, i could do that
[15:35] <jrgifford> i'm ok with the host being console based
[15:35] <jrgifford> i just want to be able to wire each VM to a full-screened Xserver or something.
[15:35] <jrgifford> it's a little difficult to explain. :P
[15:36] <thafreak> no i got you...
[15:36] <thafreak> just not sure how that would work...
[15:37] <thafreak> would need some kind of shim
[15:37] <thafreak> if the x server was running on the host
[15:37] <thafreak> you can do it with sdl I bet...but not sure it will perform very well
[15:38] <jrgifford> eh, i'm ok with running windows on the metal and ubuntu in a VM for now...
[15:38] <paultag> D:
[15:38] <jrgifford> it's not a great setup, but it beats spending all my time tinkering with it...
[15:39] <paultag> I don't understand what that means
[15:39] <paultag> windows requires more tinkering than Ubuntu or something
[15:40] <jrgifford> i can't run all the stupid windows software i need.
[15:40] <jrgifford> vm doesn't cut it for performance. :(
[15:41] <paultag> windows software ftl
[15:41] <jrgifford> i work for a healthcare shop. i'm stuck. :P
[15:41] <paultag> real healthcare pros read and write HL7 in sed
[15:42] <jrgifford> lol
[15:43] <paultag> WTF|O|MG|^BBQ
[15:43] <paultag> (I think that's right?)
[15:43] <paultag> I've not looked at that garbage for years
[15:44] <paultag> I think I still have the "quickstart" guide, which is a triptych the size of a desk, double-sided
[15:52] <dzho> also, real healthcare coding:  MUMPS
[15:55] <thafreak> dzho: but how do you code, tripped over a lawn mower after being shot by an arrow and landed in a scorpion pit?
[15:55] <thafreak> Cause that happens enough to require it's own code
[16:00] <dzho> thafreak: wut
[16:00] <dzho> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUMPS
[16:00] <jenni> [ MUMPS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ] - https://j.mp/1dKtOuV
[16:00] <dzho> it's like COBOL, but for healthcare
[16:01] <dzho> hipster NoSQL
[16:01] <dzho> you probably haven't heard of it
[16:01] <dzho> oh, I get it
[16:02] <dzho> sorry, I misread the "code for"