[13:49] loco in akron? there'sa lug that's active in akron, don't think there's a loco though [13:53] jrgifford: i think you could do that using libvirt... [13:54] wire each vm to a tty [13:54] oh [13:54] unless you meant gui [13:54] i was thinking terminal... [13:54] nm [13:55] Right, LUG. [13:57] I have alot of 14.04 testing to do :/ [13:57] I'm about to upgrade a few lucid servers...debating on 12.04, or just waiting a few weeks and going to 14.04 [13:58] Anyone try 14.04 on the server? Anyone try it as a libvirt/kvm host? [13:59] I just finished updating a desktop to it, but not done the server yet. [14:00] (Won't be doing that for a little.) [14:00] i've only tried the gnome desktop install so far... [14:00] Xfce here. [14:00] I've been using gnome on jessie though...so [14:01] i'm using xfce at work...but i dunno...things behave odd...it's probably the machine...but i dunno [14:01] plus the newest evolution can natively talk to my employer's stupid exchange P.O.S. [14:02] Unit193: are you one of the folks that's more straight debian...or you still pretty ubuntu loyal? [14:04] Desktops are Xubuntu (or Lubuntu), I haven't touched Mainbuntu for a while and do not plan to. I have a nice Debian server, and an Ubuntu one. I like both, but Xubuntu tends to keep Xfce just a hair fresher, as Ubuntu does with other desktop applications I use. :/ [14:04] gotcha [14:05] i'm liking debian testing as my dev desktops...but I just can't do it as a server...I'd be installing updates daily [14:06] Debian testing makes a nice server for me, I'd likely use Unstable for the desktop. [14:06] and since jessie is so close to being released, I'm leary of setting up a new wheezy server, as I'd have to upgrade it in like 2 years [14:07] how often you running updateS? [14:08] Every few days, but could do with less. Reboots aren't often. [14:08] seems there's a hundered every couple days for me (on the one box where I'm running testing as a server) [14:08] Mmm, you must have more packages than I do. [14:09] i'm running docker on it...so probably [14:09] docker gets updated pretty frequently itself lately [14:10] the other thing is, I was reading and the security team states that they don't always get around to releasing security fixes for testing as fast [14:10] they suggest sticking with stable for prompt security fixes [14:10] i dunno [14:10] but I'm feeling less and less inclined to stick with ubuntu [14:11] I just like the fact that I can install trusty, and then not have to worry about re-install for 5 years [14:11] Eh, security updates are set to high, which means they take what, 3 days to transition? [14:12] Man, can almost remove all of gstreamer0.10, only deps now are pidgin/finch, xfce4-mixer, opera, and xfburn. [14:12] is gstreamer getting phased out? or you personally don't want it? [14:13] gstreamer1.0 is the new kid. [14:13] is that targeted for trusty? [14:13] Don't think so, those won't be updated. [14:14] (opera could be removed, I never use it at all, xombrero and firefox all the way.) Also, re: samba. One trusty box I updated hasn't worked right when it comes to sharing printers or files since, though it can browse them. :/ [14:16] hmmm [14:16] good to know [14:16] That project is coming up... [14:16] Same version "works" in Debian testing though. (randomly get a strange segfault though.) [14:18] ugh... [14:19] hopefully it gets fixed in trusty in the next few weels [14:19] weeks [14:19] perhaps I should test it myself...maybe submit a bug [14:20] That'd be nice, except you'll confirm that it's somehow something here. :P [14:20] (Please let me know if you do.) [14:22] i was [planning on moving setting up a new windows vm at work anyway...might as well set up a trusty and testing vm too [15:35] thafreak: yeah, i could do that [15:35] i'm ok with the host being console based [15:35] i just want to be able to wire each VM to a full-screened Xserver or something. [15:35] it's a little difficult to explain. :P [15:36] no i got you... [15:36] just not sure how that would work... [15:37] would need some kind of shim [15:37] if the x server was running on the host [15:37] you can do it with sdl I bet...but not sure it will perform very well [15:38] eh, i'm ok with running windows on the metal and ubuntu in a VM for now... [15:38] D: [15:38] it's not a great setup, but it beats spending all my time tinkering with it... [15:39] I don't understand what that means [15:39] windows requires more tinkering than Ubuntu or something [15:40] i can't run all the stupid windows software i need. [15:40] vm doesn't cut it for performance. :( [15:41] windows software ftl [15:41] i work for a healthcare shop. i'm stuck. :P [15:41] real healthcare pros read and write HL7 in sed [15:42] lol [15:43] WTF|O|MG|^BBQ [15:43] (I think that's right?) [15:43] I've not looked at that garbage for years [15:44] I think I still have the "quickstart" guide, which is a triptych the size of a desk, double-sided [15:52] also, real healthcare coding: MUMPS [15:55] dzho: but how do you code, tripped over a lawn mower after being shot by an arrow and landed in a scorpion pit? [15:55] Cause that happens enough to require it's own code [16:00] thafreak: wut [16:00] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUMPS [16:00] [ MUMPS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ] - https://j.mp/1dKtOuV [16:00] it's like COBOL, but for healthcare [16:01] hipster NoSQL [16:01] you probably haven't heard of it [16:01] oh, I get it [16:02] sorry, I misread the "code for"