[00:00] <Unit193> One activly developed, one not.
[04:35] <OvenWerk1> zequence: It looks like ubuntustudio-menu has been released. However the changelog in our branch still says UNRELEASED does that mean I should change that to trusty?
[04:37] <OvenWerk1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-menu/+bug/1295354
[04:37] <OvenWerk1> see the launchpad janitor entry at the bottom.
[04:38] <OvenWerk1> micahg: ^^
[04:39] <OvenWerk1> Or is there something else to do?
[05:44] <elfy> ochosi: do we still want lightdm logs for lightdm-greeter hanging about after login?
[08:14] <ochosi> elfy: actually i pushed a fix to the 1.8.4 release of the greeter that bluesabre did a few days ago and that dholbach just sponsored...
[08:48] <ochosi> elfy: so what would in fact be more useful now would be if you could check if 1.8.4 fixes the issue for you
[09:17] <ethermonk> ubottu isitout?
[12:17] <elfy> ochosi: yea - saw that turn up just as I posted in here :)
[12:25] <starrats> morning elfy 
[12:25] <elfy> hi
[13:05] <ochosi> elfy: sure, hope it actually fixes your issue ;) if you can reproduce any other greeter bugs, that's always welcome obviously
[13:15] <Unit193> ochosi: Oh, did you have Eric or someone take a look at the new method to find icons?
[13:15] <Unit193> xfce4-panel+broken menu icons.
[13:35] <ochosi> Unit193: yes, he posted a patch against garcon
[13:36] <Unit193> OH right, that was garcon, not the panel.  Well now I'll go fish it up and patch it.
[13:38] <ochosi> Unit193: it would be nice if you could put the patch in a MR for xubuntu...
[13:39] <ochosi> (or if you prepare it somehow and then hand it to jackson like last time)
[13:40] <Unit193> Well, figured Xubuntu would wait for someone to review and commit it.
[13:41] <Unit193> And, one more annoyance.  Too large icons in the indicator plugin, any way to fix?
[14:01] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, re-introduce icon-scaling in the plugin...
[14:01] <Unit193> Building now at any rate.  (Assigned wrong, but xfce 10709)
[14:01] <ochosi> and as far as i can tell, it only affects indicator-application, because there we don't control the icons
[14:01] <Unit193> Awwh, dang.  Only way? :/
[14:02] <ochosi> yeah, well previously libindicator used to hand off pixmaps at a fixed size
[14:02] <ochosi> but as they need different scale-factors for hidpi support, they changed that and are using icon-names now
[14:02] <ochosi> which is generally a good move, but the indicator-plugin hasn't been updated accordingly yet
[14:18] <Unit193> Meh, that's the last "annoying" bug for trusty that I can think of now that garcon is fixed for me (samba counts as higher than annoying.)
[14:18] <ochosi> but yeah, i'm a bit annoyed by that too. e.g. spotify provides icons for its client in all sizes up to 512px, so really nice. but somehow i get the 16px icon upscaled and fuzzy
[14:19] <ochosi> yeah, sure, it's just a visual glitch
[14:19] <Unit193> So here's the thing, seems I use and like size 22. :P
[14:20] <ochosi> i wonder whether just re-introducing the scaling code that was ditched earlier would help or whether things would have to be handled differently
[14:20] <ochosi> yeah, for most ppl that's an ok size
[14:23] <ochosi> Unit193: btw, one workaround is to create apparmor profiles and prevent the loading of certain appindicators. ideally you'll get a trayicon as fallback with a sharp icon ;)
[14:23] <Unit193> Hah. :P
[14:24] <ochosi> yeah, i know, fun, right? :D
[14:24] <ochosi> feel free to put that in the FAQ
[14:25] <Unit193> Garcon in ppa:unit193/xfce, not sure you still use that one.
[14:28] <ochosi> ok ty
[14:28] <ochosi> i presume it works as expected for you
[14:29] <Unit193> Technically not that exact build, but yes.
[14:29] <Unit193> Quite nice. :)
[14:31] <brainwash> what does it fix?
[14:32] <Unit193> Xfce bug 5395
[14:32] <Unit193> Err...
[14:32] <Unit193> xfce Bug 10709
[14:33] <brainwash> oh, I guess we need that fix for trusty
[14:34] <ochosi> ok, if you guys can do some more testing of the patch, that'd be great, i gotta take off now for more RL work...
[14:35] <ochosi> bbl
[15:52] <brainwash> ochosi: new idea: only show big tooltips for image files
[15:53] <brainwash> I'll forward this idea upstream
[15:54] <jhenke> hi folks
[15:54] <brainwash> hello jhenke 
[16:30] <elfy> ochosi: tbh - others were getting the issue - I've had it twice since it surfaced - I just promised I'd get logs ;)
[16:36] <jhenke> btw folks, you can just use my given name, Jan, the irc nick was choosen mostly for uniqueness
[16:38] <elfy> people will carry on using jhenke - tab complete works on that :)
[16:41] <jhenke> elfy yeah, I know I also use it, still I find it better to also offer the real name instead
[16:57] <brainwash> I don't agree :D
[16:58] <brainwash> makes things more complicated
[16:58] <elfy> using tabcomplete is more complicated?
[16:59] <brainwash> no
[16:59] <brainwash> mixing nick and real name
[17:01] <elfy> aah yea 
[17:01] <brainwash> elfy: got a minute to test thunar from https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test ?
[17:01] <elfy> I often use Kev on mails
[17:01] <brainwash> bug 1271861
[17:01] <elfy> brainwash: I will a bit later - juts got back in from work and could eat a scabby dog ... 
[17:02] <brainwash> sure
[18:03] <elfy> brainwash: looking now
[18:04] <elfy> fixes it
[18:31] <lenny> um I'm experiencing something strange: Enigmail claims I'm using gpg-agent for passphrase handling, but: "The program 'gpg-agent' is currently not installed"
[18:48] <lenny> Solved it by apt-get purgeing it at installing enigmail from addons instead of package manager
[18:58] <elfy> Unit193: thanks :) seen the test report now
[19:59] <ochosi> brainwash: yup, that was what i was trying to imply as a sensible solution
[19:59] <ochosi> i just think the benefit of shrinking the default size is minimal
[20:00] <ochosi> micahg: how about some more xubuntu-default-settings merges? we've got an open bug with respect to the default wallpaper that should be fixed
[20:12] <jhenke> good night folks
[20:13] <elfy> good night jhenke 
[20:13] <elfy> hi ochosi 
[20:13] <ochosi> hey there elfy 
[20:14] <ochosi> jhenke: found an itch to scratch yet or need help? :}
[20:14] <ochosi> jhenke: anyway, night!
[20:15] <elfy> had no luck catching this guy assigned to the ibus bug
[20:15] <Unit193> elfy: Sure.  Finally was able. :)
[20:16] <elfy> :)
[20:17] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, i mean i'm happy it is assigned to someone else now, but that doesn't mean it's gonna get fixed in time
[20:17] <ochosi> who's the assignee?
[20:19] <daniell> is a bugreport considered a support or a development thing?
[20:19] <daniell> I don't have mouse control or internet access on my new xubuntu 14.04, and I'm not sure how to report the bugs
[20:19] <Noskcaj> daniell, What's the bug?
[20:20] <Noskcaj> When you have internet, you should run "ubuntu-bug PACKAGE" from a terminal.
[20:20] <Noskcaj> When you don
[20:20] <Noskcaj> 't, go to another pc and use the report a bug feature in launchpad
[20:21] <daniell> can I let it dump to a file?
[20:21] <Noskcaj> daniell, Yeah, although i'm not sure if that wil provide useful info. might as well try
[20:21] <ochosi> wow, no mouse-control or internet access
[20:22] <ochosi> so i take it you're not here using xubuntu 14.04?
[20:22] <elfy> ochosi: guy called Aron Xu - chinese timezone 
[20:22] <daniell> yeah it kinda sucks. I suspect updates will solve my mouse troiuble, but no ethernet =(
[20:22] <daniell> ochosi: no, this is a screen on my server
[20:22] <elfy> Noskcaj: afaik you can dump the report on the affected machine and then report using that from another machine
[20:23] <ochosi> elfy: right, well that one at least really fixes ibus related stuff. just saw a recent update for ubuntu kylin by him
[20:23] <Noskcaj> daniell, There is a way you can update while offline, but it might need the mouse to work
[20:23] <elfy> yea 
[20:24] <ochosi> anyhoo, i'll be back a bit latr
[20:26] <elfy> daniell: I think that you can use apport-bug --save
[20:27] <elfy> you'll need to add the package name and a name for the file 
[20:27] <daniell> elfy: I just typed that in =p. Weird thing is internet worked while the installer was running
[20:27] <elfy> then you can apport-bug /path/to/saved/crash/file
[20:27] <elfy> on a machine with internet
[20:53] <micom> hello, wondering if i may  get involved into xubuntu project if im a c++ developer, i would look forward to join this project. It would be my first Open source experience.
[21:06] <brainwash> ochosi: bu 1299516
[21:07] <brainwash> bug 1299516
[21:07] <brainwash> trying to figure out which package to use as target
[21:08] <brainwash> or just leave xfce4-panel
[21:08] <brainwash> keep
[21:41] <ochosi> brainwash: what andrzejr_ said, it's actually a really old bug in the gtk2 murrine engine
[21:42] <ochosi> shouldn't be hard to fix
[21:44] <ochosi> so try to get a hold of Cimi and motivate him to fix it ;)
[21:44] <ochosi> i guess it's just a rare case that got overlooked
[21:44] <ochosi> same as with the mixed checkboxes
[21:45] <ochosi> but iirc NSchermer submitted a patch for those back in the day
[21:45] <ochosi> not sure it ever got applied anywhere
[21:46] <brainwash> don't really care about the bug
[21:46] <brainwash> just want to properly assign the report
[22:04] <pleia2> I lost track, does daily have wallpaper yet?
[22:04] <knome> no...
[22:04] <knome> ...still
[22:04] <pleia2> bah, can I download it somewhere so I can just toss it in for a screenshot?
[22:05] <knome> i guess we could/should ramp it up the sponsors queue
[22:06] <knome> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/trusty/download/262/xubuntutrusty.png-20140328011110-pzapco38rr1lecbs-1/xubuntu-trusty.png
[22:06] <pleia2> ty
[22:07] <pleia2> cute mousey mouse <3
[22:07]  * knome bows
[22:12] <brainwash> bug 1300516
[22:13] <brainwash> ?!
[22:13] <brainwash> xubuntu session broken at the moment?