[01:49] <zhick> i just installed kubuntu 14.04 and after having some audio issues finally figured out it was caused by gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio not being installed (before, phonon fell back to alsa). i did a pretty bog standard install though, so is this the case for everyone
[01:49] <zhick> ?
[01:53]  * mamarley uses VLC as the phonon backend.
[01:55] <zhick> mamarley: the standard install comes with gstreamer though. another user in #kubuntu also didnt have gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio installed. this seems like a bug?
[01:56] <mamarley> Probably.
[02:00] <zhick> gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio was installed though. seems like some dependency wasnt updated or sth?
[02:09] <zhick> ah, there's already a bugreport. nvm then.
[02:14] <AlexZion> Hi everyone, I was testing Kubuntu 14.04 beta2 live on my dell xps 15z with double GPU and I had no problem running  the 32bit version, but I couldn't get 64bit version works, it just remain on a black screen
[02:14] <AlexZion> any suggestion to avoid this problem ?
[07:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw, you want people to use pmap -p or paste the proc file itself, otherwise you don't know the full path of the loaded shared object and are not much wiser than before
[08:26] <apachelogger> yofel, shadeslayer: isn't bug 1299920 intentional?
[08:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no :/
[08:26] <apachelogger> what a shame
[08:26] <shadeslayer> QT_SELECT should be unset before ksmserver starts
 shadeslayer: Riddell: dudes kde-runtime-4.12.95/kwalletd/CMakeLists.txt is making my kwalletd crash, i'd appreciate you don't patch stuff like that
[08:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^ could that be related to the numerous kwallet crashes that you're seeing?
[08:27] <tsdgeos> it is of course
[08:27] <apachelogger> oh we patch things
[08:27] <apachelogger> lovely
[08:27] <tsdgeos> i fixed it and it's not crashing anymore
[08:28] <tsdgeos> otoh the upstream code was a bit bad too
[08:28] <tsdgeos> so fixed that too
[08:28] <tsdgeos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7193353/
[08:28] <tsdgeos> for the we want to patch stuff side
[08:28] <apachelogger> that patch is something
[08:29] <shadeslayer> upstream actually suggested this btw, since the GPG backend wasn't working
[08:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: who did review the patch though?
[08:30] <shadeslayer> Uhm .. yeah ... no one ...
[08:30] <apachelogger> right
[08:30] <apachelogger> policy violation "In general one should attempt to create patches that qualify for upstream inclusion, so that ultimately no patch is necessary at all, or only for the short amount of time between a Kubuntu release and a new upstream release. "
[08:30] <apachelogger> patch should have been written in such a way that you get a cmake option to deactivate the gpg stuff
[08:30] <apachelogger> "Tiny patches that either provide platform integration or behavior adjustments. These patches should be brought to the attention of upstream. "
[08:31] <apachelogger> patch was not brought to the attention of upstream
[08:31] <shadeslayer> it was
[08:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so who reviewed it?
[08:31] <shadeslayer> no one, patch came from upstream
[08:31] <tsdgeos> shadeslayer: define "came from upstream"
[08:31] <apachelogger> Author: Rohan Garg <rohangarg@kubuntu.org>
[08:31] <tsdgeos> because it's not upstream
[08:31] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: I was talking to Valentin over email
[08:31] <tsdgeos> so it can't come from upstream
[08:31] <tsdgeos> anyway as i said
[08:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did he write the patch?
[08:31] <tsdgeos> upstream is fucked up similarly
[08:32] <tsdgeos> i fixed it there
[08:32] <tsdgeos> too
[08:32] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: kwallet always has been fun business indeed ;)
[08:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no, however : http://paste.kde.org/pb9x8bf0h
[08:32] <apachelogger> perhaps the policy needs an amendment
[08:33] <apachelogger> because that basicaly is like bug 1288469
[08:34] <apachelogger> policy exclusion would be "if upstream wants something, they ought to do it upstream and ask for adoption"
[08:34] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: is the fix in 4.12.97?
[08:34] <apachelogger> as I said that patch could and should have been done upstream as a cmake option for use in all distros
[08:34] <tsdgeos> shadeslayer: no, i fixed it yesternight
[08:35] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: okay, thx
[08:35]  * shadeslayer sighs
[08:35] <tsdgeos> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kde-runtime.git&a=commit&h=c2758024b51765e9e17cc4bd204ad136fa18c04b
[08:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I'll remove the patch from 4.12.97
[08:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: upstream maybe?
[08:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: upstream what?
[08:37]  * apachelogger notes that upstream is an equally flexible word like fck xD
[08:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the ability to deactivate the gpg backend
[08:38] <apachelogger> oh ubiquity manual partitioning is still not localized
[08:38] <shadeslayer> valentin wrote that he was planning on writing something like that
[08:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well but we need something now it appears?
[08:39] <shadeslayer> I'd rather not touch it, since I clearly don't know enough about this, I'll ask Alex if he can help
[08:39] <apachelogger> sound good to me
[08:40] <shadeslayer> I'd rather have a non functioning / confusing GPG option rather than introduce another crasher
[08:43] <apachelogger> random question of the day: why is gpgme installed anyway?
[08:43] <apachelogger> kdepimlibs?
[08:43] <apachelogger> yesyes
[08:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw does guest login work for you?
[08:44] <shadeslayer> seems very broken for me
[08:45] <apachelogger> can tell you in 32%
[08:45] <shadeslayer> whut?
[08:45] <apachelogger> installation wip
[08:47] <shadeslayer> ah
[08:48] <shadeslayer> Launchpad!!!@#@#$
[08:48] <shadeslayer> lazr.restfulclient.errors.ServerError: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
[08:49] <shadeslayer> wgrant: ^^
[08:49] <wgrant> shadeslayer: status Incomplete
[08:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: anyway, bug 1299920 <- unset is your friend
[08:49] <shadeslayer> wgrant: http://paste.kde.org/pr5owiyex
[08:49] <apachelogger> env --unset if you want to be very fancy xD
[08:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, I do unset it, but after ksmserver starts
[08:50] <apachelogger> oh
[08:50] <apachelogger> well
[08:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: as indicated, to me it appeared that this is an intentional sideffect
[08:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: *nod*
[08:51] <apachelogger> if you run a plasma workspace all sorts of rubbish may expect qdbus4
[08:51] <shadeslayer> right, I was thinking about that
[08:51] <apachelogger> of course qdbus5 should be functionally equal to qdbus4, so I think you don't need to set anything
[08:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but if you were to launch Qt Creator, to do Qt5 stuff
[08:51] <apachelogger> that's my understanding anyway
[08:51] <shadeslayer> that's where it would get complicated
[08:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's why I am saying you probably don't need to force the select because the binaries will have equal output
[08:52] <shadeslayer> okay, just remove QT_SELECT then
[08:52] <apachelogger> what you did was exchange path based hardcoding for qtchooser based hardcoding (i.e. force via qt_select)
[08:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I dunno, ask all the people
[08:53] <shadeslayer> all the people?
[08:53] <apachelogger> whoever had a problem with the way it is done upstream and whoever has a problem with the way it is done now by us
[08:53] <apachelogger> it is only my understanding that you don't need to force anything, I do not know for sure
[08:54] <apachelogger> to me personally it still seems silly that qdbus5 can be an alternative to qdbus4 because that's based on the premise that they actually both generate the same output
[08:54] <shadeslayer> you are correct fwiw
[08:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7193415/
[08:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:57] <apachelogger> yo
[08:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: guest login worx
[08:57] <shadeslayer> mhm
[08:58] <lordievader> Hey apachelogger, shadeslayer. How are you guys?
[08:59] <wgrant> shadeslayer: Any better?
[09:01] <shadeslayer> wgrant: trying again, moment
[09:01] <shadeslayer> wgrant: fwiw this has been happening since yesterday :)
[09:01] <wgrant> Sometimes the librarians have issues after a database restart.
[09:01] <shadeslayer> I see
[09:02] <apachelogger> much rude
[09:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ??
[09:09] <shadeslayer> wgrant: seems to be going smoothly
[09:09] <shadeslayer> will ping if it breaks
[09:10] <wgrant> shadeslayer: Great, thanks for confirming.
[09:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yofel fwiw I'm removing QT_SELECT
[09:34] <shadeslayer> since as mentioned before, qdbus gives the same output
[09:34] <shadeslayer> plus
[09:34] <shadeslayer> the output doesn't matter as long as there is output
[09:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plz approve kde-workspace from queue
[09:37] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ^^
[09:40] <shadeslayer> what happened to my PGST upload :I
[09:40] <shadeslayer> :O
[09:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://trello.com/c/2GsbsW50
[09:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, some features postponed to 14.10
[09:42] <shadeslayer> needs work in the backend IMHO
[09:42] <shadeslayer> ( generic labels, outdated drivers, etc etc )
[09:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ScottK pgst re uploaded
[09:43] <shadeslayer> plz approve
[09:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: apport is still crashing?
[09:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh? what's new?
[09:47] <Riddell> ah, faffy qt4/5 stuff
[09:48] <shadeslayer> yeah
[09:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: approved kde-workspace! no sign of phonon bits
[09:48] <shadeslayer> oh
[09:48] <shadeslayer> maybe I don't have upload rights
[09:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7193561/
[09:49] <shadeslayer> debdiff
[09:49] <shadeslayer> plz upload
[09:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you were saying something needed a git rebase too?
[09:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah
[09:50] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/zvps0ko.png there's nothing quite as awesome as patched strings getting translated while kubuntu unique applications only speak english
[09:50] <shadeslayer> the 1.0-for-merge branch needs rebawsing on master
[09:50] <shadeslayer> :D
[09:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: because the 1.0 port only builds for Qt4
[09:50] <shadeslayer> we could keep it that way
[09:51] <shadeslayer> and only build for Qt4
[09:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh
[09:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: might want to clean up the debian dir before uploading
[09:51] <apachelogger> bug 1301284
[09:51] <Riddell> yes, I think if we want a qt5 version a separate source package is fine
[09:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[09:52] <shadeslayer> thoughts on not having a Qt5 based pgst
[09:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: unless you want to rebase :P
[09:53] <shadeslayer> or merge
[09:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what happened to your bug to remove the 0.10 one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phonon-backend-gstreamer
[09:53] <Riddell> it's disappeared
[09:54] <Riddell> or did you not file a bug?
[09:54] <shadeslayer> I don't think I filed one
[09:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/pllljuxky
[09:56]  * Riddell files bug 1301289
[09:56] <apachelogger> guise
[09:56] <apachelogger> listen
[09:56] <apachelogger> why not rename the 1.0 one to drop the 1.0 such that it actually replaces the old bugger, instead of removing the old bugger and creating a transition scenario where there is none?
[09:57] <Riddell> hmm, smart idea
[09:58] <apachelogger>   Uploading kubuntu-notification-helper_14.04ubuntu10_source.changes: done.
[09:58] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[09:58] <apachelogger> works around the vbox issue
[09:58] <apachelogger> also, more debug
[09:58] <shadeslayer> since we've already uploaded pgst1.0 , how do you propose we proceed
[09:59] <Riddell> first thing would be to look at those reverse dependencies
[10:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the same way we moved to the 1.0 package, except this time without the 1.0 :P
[10:00] <shadeslayer> heh
[10:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: apport crash is still waiting on pitti to have a look
[10:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: pyqt already thumbedup?
[10:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, it's either that or setting the sip.destroyonexit strategy in PyQt4 itself
[10:04] <apachelogger> brr
[10:05] <shadeslayer> the latter was deemed to be too distrupting
[10:05] <shadeslayer> *disrupting
[10:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uploading 4.12.97
[10:10] <shadeslayer> please approve as it lands
[10:10] <Riddell> will do
[10:18] <Riddell> Mirv: how come there's no qtwebkit 5.2 packages?
[10:28] <Mirv> Riddell: it regressed on WebGL games, so at the last minute rsalveti backported a bunch of patches from 5.2 to 5.1 instead, since there didn't seem to be an easy way to fix the issue. bug #1291707
[10:28] <Mirv> yesterday a transition to oxide started instead, so 5.2 qtwebkit would be less of an issue
[10:30] <Riddell> oxide?
[10:30] <Mirv> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/oxide - Chromium in other words
[10:30] <Mirv> that's what Ubuntu is going to use
[10:31] <Riddell> gosh, just what the world needs, another khtml fork :)
[10:31] <Mirv> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1308-oxide
[10:31] <Tm_T> khtml ♥ 
[10:31] <apachelogger> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/6d3af1f6b626b1fa35106c2551bfe2d196795312
[10:31] <apachelogger> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/2e837e5382adb5d4d1d263a304dc9714849c1c45
[10:33] <Mirv> yeah, so much fuzz about all these khtml forks in the last years :)
[10:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so I looked at mck182's problem
[10:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: increasing the timeout in the python script makes it work
[10:43] <Riddell> hi sgclark 
[10:44] <sgclark> Riddell: good morning :)
[10:44] <sgclark> Riddell: any tasks for me?
[10:45] <Riddell> sgclark: remind me again the status of calligra?
[10:45] <sgclark> Riddell: all done afaik
[10:45] <Riddell> sgclark: including backports?
[10:46] <sgclark> Riddell: to saucy yes
[10:46] <Riddell> sgclark: oh cool, where's that?
[10:47] <sgclark> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~scarlett-7/+archive/kubuntu-ppa/+packages
[10:47] <Riddell> sgclark: awesomeness
[10:47] <sgclark> Riddell: along with calligra-l10n
[10:48] <Riddell> if calligra is a beast of a package, calligra-l10n is a beast with many tentacles
[10:48] <Riddell> ok I'll get those uploaded thanks
[10:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: poke poke
[10:49] <Riddell> sgclark: there's a package of oxygen-fonts on depot you can package up using the stuff you did a wee while ago
[10:49] <sgclark> Riddell: on it
[10:49] <Riddell> sgclark: I hope to release that today as plasma alpha 1
[10:49] <Riddell> sgclark: then kde-runtime and kde-workspace although I need to remake the kde-workspace tar
[10:55] <sgclark> Riddell: I don't suppose you know what directory oxygen-fonts is in
[10:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: seems unlikely
[10:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what's the output of the python script
[10:56] <shadeslayer> DriverManager_DBus::devices START
[10:56] <shadeslayer> DriverManager_DBus::devices END
[10:56] <Riddell> sgclark: in unstable/plasma
[10:56] <sgclark> ty
[10:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: bustle shows the script responding
[10:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: with the 10s timeout?
[10:57] <shadeslayer> mmm ... don't remember, I can check
[10:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: though we checked on bustle and it did return the device list
[11:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: pgst needs reuploading , bug number was wrong http://paste.ubuntu.com/7193792/
[11:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and what did the kcm have to say about it?
[11:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/pp7hpjdw6
[11:05]  * apachelogger wonders whether dbus-daemon will discard a message from the bus if the interface gets dropped
[11:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: with the 10s timeout
[11:06] <Riddell> sgclark: by the way you might want to find a different provider for file storage than ubuntu one
[11:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it's python being shit
[11:06] <shadeslayer> :/
[11:06] <jussi> sgclark: spideroak! :D
[11:06] <sgclark> Riddell: I have dropbox
[11:06] <apachelogger> maybe it does a delayed message send or something
[11:06] <shadeslayer> mhm
[11:06] <apachelogger> so by the time it actually tries to do stuff on the bus qapp is already in teardown
[11:06] <sgclark> jussi: spideroak?
[11:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yep
[11:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: increase to 30s ?
[11:07] <apachelogger> no
[11:07] <jussi> sgclark: obligatory referral link: https://spideroak.com/download/referral/99c3821fc3eaa2f97a5760aaa3551172
[11:07] <shadeslayer> heh ok
[11:07] <jussi> sgclark: spideroak is really good, and extremely secure
[11:07] <apachelogger> introduce quit function, call quit function from kcm
[11:07] <sgclark> jussi: signing up :) thanks!
[11:08] <shadeslayer> you mean, re introduce quit
[11:08] <shadeslayer> okay
[11:08] <apachelogger> i.e. drop autotimeout entirely
[11:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: quit never was used
[11:08] <shadeslayer> yep
[11:08] <jussi> sgclark: you are welcome. using the referal gets you extra goodies/space
[11:08] <apachelogger> *NEVER*
[11:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it was implemented in python
[11:08] <shadeslayer> gtg lunch
[11:08] <apachelogger> and *NEVER* used
[11:08] <jussi> can we implement quit in certain people ?
[11:08] <jussi> :P
[11:09]  * jussi giggles
[11:12] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1299920] defaulting to qt5 does not work siunce QT_SELECT=qt4 is in the environment by default. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1299920 (by Søren Holm)
[11:12] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1301313] Switching audio output device mutes all sound @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1301313 (by Sergiu Bivol)
[11:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: try making the timeout connection queued
[11:14] <apachelogger> maybe that prevents teardown before sending
[11:30] <apachelogger> god am I daft
[11:30] <apachelogger> that dbus bugger calls the query function twice
[11:31] <apachelogger> and I had been wondering why it always takes so long to start
[11:37] <Riddell> sgclark: actually once you're done with oxygen could you look at packaging KTextEditor from KF5, it's a new tier3 framework
[11:37] <sgclark> Riddell: yep, will do
[11:39] <Riddell> sgclark: oh calligra is uploaded to archive and copied to kubuntu-ppa/backports, thanks :)
[11:39] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:46] <kdeuser56> yofel: I can't dist-upgrade to .97, it wants to remove kdepim related stuff and all its dependent stuff
[11:59] <Riddell> kdeuser56: PPA or archive?
[12:06] <kdeuser56> Riddell: ppa
[12:06] <Riddell> kdeuser56: pastebin apt output?
[12:07] <kdeuser56> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/CH1tfDW7
[12:08] <Riddell> kdeuser56: that's fine it's just -dgbsym packages it wants to remove
[12:08] <Riddell> which aren't in the PPA
[12:09] <kdeuser56> Riddell: strange ... I installed them when using the ppa ...
[12:10] <kdeuser56> Riddell: oh I have a theory
[12:10] <kdeuser56> Riddell: I think the moment i set up the system, the version in the ppa and in the official repo were the same, so the official repo was chosen ....
[12:10] <kdeuser56> Riddell: why are no dbgsym created for ninjas?
[12:11] <Riddell> kdeuser56: launchpad doesn't do that for PPAs, it would take up a lot of disk space 
[12:12] <kdeuser56> Riddell: and it is not possible to make an exception for you? testing stuff needs dbgsymbols
[12:15] <Riddell> kdeuser56: ah, alas, despite being the centrefold in the Sun, I am nothing special to launchpad
[12:15] <Riddell> kdeuser56: most packages have -dbg packages you can use instead of -dbg
[12:15] <kdeuser56> Riddell: most but not the ones it wants to remove in the paste
[12:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: actually IIRC it has capabilities to generate dbgsym nowadays, just needs to be turned on for ppas individually
[12:20] <apachelogger> I am sure wgrant knows more ^^
[12:20] <apachelogger> also I think yofel and I had a discussion about that at some point
[12:20] <apachelogger> no clue why or what or when though ;)
[12:21] <kdeuser56> Riddell: could we change the dependencies for akonadi-server?
[12:22] <wgrant> apachelogger, Riddell: I can enable ddeb generation for a PPA, but they're rather large and any package built with native LP ddebs cannot be copied into the primary archive.
[12:22] <Riddell> kdeuser56: um, how so?
[12:22] <kdeuser56> Riddell: so that depends has "akonadi-backend-mysql | akonadi-backend-postgresql | akonadi-backend-sqlite"
[12:22] <wgrant> (we'll fix that in a few months when we switch the primary archive to native ddebs, but we're blocked on disk space)
[12:23] <kdeuser56> Riddell: if one wants to install another backend than mysql and wants to remove mysql backend
[12:23] <apachelogger> wgrant: ah, I think the copy part is why we did not ask for it when it was last discussed
[12:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: or have we stopped copying packages from ppa to archive yet?
[12:25] <kdeuser56> Riddell: I am not yet familiar with apt dependencies, but it should be an OR relation between the backends 
[12:25] <kdeuser56> Riddell: if one backend is installed everything is fine and the other one can be removed .... 
[12:26] <Riddell> kdeuser56: do you actually use it with a backend other than mysql?
[12:26] <kdeuser56> Riddell: postgresql
[12:26] <Riddell> I think the reason it's like that is the other ones aren't well tested
[12:26] <kdeuser56> Riddell: yeah but I think that changed recently
[12:27] <kdeuser56> Riddell: the maintainer of akonadi, Dan Vratil uses postgre backend himself
[12:27] <kdeuser56> Riddell: and the akonadi guys have one postgresql dev among them for a few months 
[12:28] <kdeuser56> Riddell: I am testing myself though, have not used it in production over a longer time
[12:29] <Riddell> kdeuser56: ok yes we probably should then
[12:29] <Riddell> patches welcome :)
[12:30] <kdeuser56> Riddell: I do not know what policies are there for deciding dependencies, but I think if it does not benefit it can't harm
[12:30] <kdeuser56> Riddell: mysql will still be default and if one user installs another backend and wants to remove the default one, he is fine too
[12:32] <kdeuser56> Riddell: if you want, I will report back how it behaves ... atm it does not work out of the box for some strange reason, but Dan has provided me a patch that should work, I'll recompile and test
[12:32] <Riddell> kdeuser56: yes that would be interesting
[12:33] <kdeuser56> Riddell: basically at the moment a default config option is set wrong, which is the reason for the failure 
[12:33] <kdeuser56> Riddell: I will test it in the next weeks and report back
[12:33] <kdeuser56> or next days :-)
[12:35] <apachelogger> Riddell, kdeuser56 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/akonadi/+bug/1271599
[12:35] <apachelogger> gotta love how absolutely no one reads bug reports
[12:38] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: "are of unknown origin ..." means?
[12:38] <apachelogger> exactly that
[12:38] <apachelogger> the changes are there
[12:38] <apachelogger> it is unknown why
[12:39] <apachelogger> could be left over stardust from big bang for all I know
[12:39] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: :-), I mean do you support my suggestion of adding the possibility of different backends or not? If I understood correctly you want to drop that delta
[12:40] <BluesKaj> big bang, bah humbug... makes no sense
[12:42] <apachelogger> kdeuser56: no, I am saying that the reason it is there to begin with is not known so it might be silly rubbish from way back when akonadi was first introduced and only had one backend
[12:43] <apachelogger> if one were to figure out why it is there and whether it should be there it would however possibly solve your request as not having that delta would make all backends equal from an apt pov
[12:46] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: stupid question, but what is the problem with figuring it out?
[12:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: when kde-runtime from framework branch wants alsa do you know what it needs? http://paste.kde.org/phvdsft7o
[12:46] <Riddell> libasound2-dev doesn't seem to make it happy
[12:46] <apachelogger> kdeuser56: no one has done it
[12:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: about to poke that soonishy
[12:47] <apachelogger> might go away
[12:47] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: who to aks?
[12:47] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[12:47] <apachelogger> low priority
[12:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: it would be asound2 though
[12:48] <apachelogger> possibly the finder is broken or something
[12:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plz also approve kde-runtime
[12:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, cmake can't find the asound2 library even though it's in /usr/lib/x86-foo/
[12:50] <apachelogger> well, that might be problem right there, old cmake finders tend to have problems with multiarch
[12:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and are you working on the pgst package?
[12:51] <apachelogger> but as I said, that stuff might go away once I get to twiddling runtime
[12:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nope, working on plasma alpha
[12:51] <shadeslayer> ok
[12:51] <shadeslayer> O
[12:51] <shadeslayer> I'll take care of it
[12:57] <xnox> Riddell: ScottK: yo, i want to change packagekit-backend-aptcc to link against gstreamer1.0 instead of gstreamer0.10 as everything is mostly  gstreamer1.0 based and i'd like to kick out gstreamer0.10 from ubuntu desktop images
[12:58] <xnox> Riddell: ScottK: however, i'm not certain if aptcc linked against 1.0 would return 0.10 codecs
[12:58] <Riddell> xnox: please do
[12:58] <Riddell> xnox: we don't use gstreamer 0.10 any more
[12:58] <xnox> Riddell: ack, thanks.
[12:59] <xnox> Riddell: i thought phonon was not ported to gstreamer1.0.... or you don't lookup missing codecs via packagekit ?
[12:59] <xnox> anyway, it should still work, inspecting the code.
[13:00] <Riddell> xnox: someone decided to kill ffmpeg from gstreamer0.10 so we had to go with a phonon-gstreamer1.0 snapshot
[13:03] <xnox> Riddell: excellent!
[13:05] <BluesKaj> still can't open device prefs in multimedia>audio&video settings, cursor hangs trying to load
[13:06] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: what does pmap -p `pidof systemsettings` give you
[13:08] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, pmap: argument missing
[13:08] <shadeslayer> 0.o did you close systemsettings?
[13:08] <BluesKaj> yup
[13:09] <shadeslayer> well, that's why :P
[13:10] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, do you really want to see the paste ? :)
[13:10] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: yeah
[13:10] <shadeslayer> because not loading the device list is not good
[13:11] <BluesKaj> it's huge 
[13:11] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: yeah, just pastebin
[13:12] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, http://privatepaste.com/85ba090f21
[13:13] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: gdb -p `pidof systemsettings`
[13:13] <shadeslayer> and then bt
[13:18] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, http://privatepaste.com/4a840e1a49 , and the command is still open , didn't return to the prompt 
[13:18] <sgclark> Riddell: oxygen-fonts https://launchpad.net/~scarlett-7/+archive/kubuntu-ppa/+packages
[13:18] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: I don't see a backtrace
[13:19] <shadeslayer> hm
[13:19] <Riddell> sgclark: yay, are you using oxygen font? does it look good to you?
[13:19] <sgclark> Riddell: took some getting used to, but yes it is growing on me
[13:20] <Riddell> :)
[13:20] <Riddell> hmm, obvious problem, I got the version number wrong by an order of magnitude
[13:21] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1258422] Maximized windows go under panel if panel attached to screen edge between two monitors @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1258422 (by kolen)
[13:23] <Riddell> sgclark: ping, can you repackage with http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/oxygen-fonts-0.3.95.tar.xz ?
[13:23] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, when i close system settings, the termination dialog appears without a backtrace option. SS doesn't crash , the cursor just keeps trying load as long as you let it.
[13:24] <sgclark> Riddell: sure, about done with ktextwidgets, will get after
[13:24] <sgclark> Riddell: ktexteditor
[13:24] <Riddell> cool
[13:25] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1298951] kwalletd crashed with SIGABRT in __GI_raise() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1298951 (by Gustavo Boksar)
[13:27] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: and this is with trusty
[13:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: brotip for backtacing freeze: killall -s SEGV $app ;)
[13:29] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:29] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: ^^ try what apachelogger suggested
[13:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/c4c8668ce3a84cbd6149ca08a26c3c0265bec9d9
[13:30] <apachelogger> #8  0xb5b06d73 in qt_message_output (msgType=QtFatalMsg, buf=0x97f3748 "ASSERT: \"sink->root()\" in file ../../gstreamer/medianode.cpp, line 193") at global/qglobal.cpp:2383
[13:30] <shadeslayer> crashing on 324            gst_bin_remove(GST_BIN(root()->audioGraph()), m_audioTee);
[13:31] <apachelogger> no
[13:31] <apachelogger> it fails an assert
[13:33] <shadeslayer> 320     Q_ASSERT(root());
[13:33] <shadeslayer> but that's line 320
[13:33] <BluesKaj> not an ubuntu one user, so your post doesn't help me, shadeslayer 
[13:33] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: what?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> sh nm , guess that wasn't meant for me
[13:35] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer,^
[13:36] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: I meant, launch systemsettings > Multimedia and open the device preferences > killall -s SEGV systemsettings
[13:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: for me 324 is }
[13:39] <apachelogger> either way though, it fails the root assert xD
[13:39] <apachelogger>         Q_ASSERT(sink->root()); //sink has to have a root since it is connected
[13:39] <apachelogger> which is line 193 here ^^
[13:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are looking at master I think
[13:43] <shadeslayer> I was looking at the tag
[13:43] <apachelogger> I am looking at the tar
[13:44] <shadeslayer> oh hm
[13:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh mind you, the latest submission apparently has both gst1 and gst0 in memory
[13:46] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[13:46] <apachelogger> so does the one before that
[13:46] <shadeslayer> *shrug* then
[13:47] <apachelogger> libqtwebkit4 2.3.2-0ubuntu4
[13:47] <apachelogger> it would help a bunch if people actually updated their systems I guess
[13:53]  * BluesKaj 's  system is updated/upgraded/dist-upgraded every day
[14:05] <BluesKaj> heh, even the debug symbol install failed, so reporting a backtrace doesn't seem possible , shadeslayer
[14:05] <shadeslayer> this is very weird
[14:05] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: :O
[14:09] <apachelogger> why would you report the backtrace?
[14:10] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: are you arround?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, assumed it would help
[14:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yay, no one has tested if master pgst compiles with Qt5
[14:11] <Riddell> hi ovidiu-florin, I'm always around for you
[14:12] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: can you please join me in this conversation on #canonical-sysadmin ?
[14:12] <BluesKaj> help shadeslayer that is , since he requested a bt\
[14:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: where did you get the 4.7.1 tar :S
[14:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: for what?
[14:14] <shadeslayer> pgst
[14:14] <Riddell> um, dunno, ftp.kde.org ?
[14:15] <shadeslayer> dafuq
[14:15] <shadeslayer> tag doesn't build but tar does
[14:19] <Riddell> sgclark: ah yes http://blog.canonical.com/2014/04/02/shutting-down-ubuntu-one-file-services/
[14:20] <sgclark> Riddell: ahh ok, I signed up for spideroak
[14:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: master is base of 4.7
[14:23] <shadeslayer> oh hm
[14:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: which branch should I merge into 1.0-porting then
[14:23] <shadeslayer> 4.7 or master
[14:23] <apachelogger> 4.7?
[14:23] <shadeslayer> k
[14:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you review kde:clones/phonon-gstreamer/garg/phonon-gstreamer
[14:28] <shadeslayer> before I push to the 1.0 branch
[14:29] <shadeslayer> and then we can snapshot it
[14:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mvo is alive if we need him
[14:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: xnox updated app-install-data
[14:32] <shadeslayer> so it's fine :)
[14:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pushed another fix
[14:33] <Riddell> xnox: can we add arbitrary apps to app-install-data? (we're wanting to add some kcontrol modules that doesn't have application .desktop files)
[14:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: needs python haxxoring
[14:37] <Riddell> python is easy to haxxor, even apachelogger can do it
[14:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: if you approve changes, I'll push to pgst
[14:44] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7194594/
[14:50] <Riddell> sgclark: hmm, what did we do about it in kate?
[14:50] <Riddell> sgclark: yeah we have /usr/share/kde4/apps/katepart/script/libraries/underscore.js
[14:50] <Riddell> sgclark: so just live with it
[14:51] <sgclark> Riddell I found libjs-underscore package, I should be able to symlink in rules?
[14:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: review? I am not pgst maintainer
[14:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: just have a look to see everything looks sane
[14:52] <apachelogger> I would have no idea what to look for
[14:52] <apachelogger> except for cmake and the EOS handling I have no idea of pgst
[14:52] <Riddell> sgclark: oh yes if that works even better
[14:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: cmake is all that's needed :)
[14:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: review against 4.7?
[14:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[14:54]  * apachelogger fetches shadeslayer
[14:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: which branch?
[14:54] <shadeslayer> 1.0-porting-for-merge
[14:55] <apachelogger> why was GSTREAMER_INTERFACE_LIBRARY dropped from the finder?
[14:55] <apachelogger> -IF (GSTREAMER_INCLUDE_DIR AND GSTREAMER_LIBRARIES AND GSTREAMER_BASE_LIBRARY AND GSTREAMER_INTERFACE_LIBRARY AND GSTREAMER_APP_LIBRARY)
[14:55] <apachelogger> +IF (GSTREAMER_INCLUDE_DIR AND GSTREAMER_LIBRARIES AND GSTREAMER_BASE_LIBRARY AND GSTREAMER_APP_LIBRARY)
[14:56] <shadeslayer> doesn't exist in 0.10 I think
[14:56] <apachelogger> in 1.0 you mean
[14:56] <apachelogger> but that's a problem
[14:56] <shadeslayer> right
[14:56] <apachelogger> can't just drop it like that :P
[14:56] <apachelogger> best fork findgstreamer into findgstreamer0.10 and findgstreamer
[14:57] <shadeslayer> I did
[14:57] <apachelogger> ag
[14:57] <apachelogger> ah
[14:57] <apachelogger> yeah
[14:57] <apachelogger> just scrolled down ^^
[14:57] <shadeslayer> way ahead of you :P
[14:57] <shadeslayer> by about a year
[14:57] <apachelogger> -      videosink.c
[14:58] <apachelogger> +      videodataoutput.cpp
[14:58] <apachelogger> that seems wrong
[14:58] <apachelogger> +    if (NOT PHONON_NO_GRAPHICSVIEW)
[14:58] <apachelogger> +      set(phonon_gstreamer_SRCS
[14:58] <apachelogger> please use list(APPEND phonon_gstreamer_SRCS 1.cpp 2.cpp....)
[14:58] <apachelogger> it's faster
[14:58] <shadeslayer> videodataoutput.cpp also seems to be added twice
[14:59] <apachelogger> yeah the addition probably is wrong
[14:59] <apachelogger> videosink possibly was removed
[14:59] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[14:59] <apachelogger> or
[14:59] <shadeslayer> git did that automagically
[14:59] <apachelogger> I think that is used for graphicsview
[14:59] <apachelogger> not sure that removal is sensible
[14:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh on a related note, you cannot merge this into 4.7
[14:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh?
[14:59] <apachelogger> the git merge needs to be into master
[15:00] <shadeslayer> yeah, that's the plan
[15:00] <apachelogger> the snapshot we need to draw is a merge into 4.7
[15:00] <apachelogger> so you'll likely want a git branch 4.7-gstreamer1.0
[15:00] <apachelogger> which is only used by us
[15:01] <apachelogger> +    macro_log_feature(GSTREAMER_FOUND "GStreamer" "gstreamer 0.10 is required for the multimedia backend" "http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/modules/" TRUE "1.0")
[15:01] <apachelogger> s/0.10/1.0/
[15:01] <kubotu> apachelogger meant: "+    macro_log_feature(GSTREAMER_FOUND "GStreamer" "gstreamer 1.0 is required for the multimedia backend" "http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/modules/" TRUE "1.0")"
[15:02] <apachelogger> +//     DEBUG_BLOCK; and following lines... need to be removed I reckon
[15:02] <apachelogger> mediaobject in general has copious amounts of debug added, probably needs fixing
[15:02] <apachelogger> so much ifdef :'<
[15:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: cmake otherwise looks fine
[15:04] <shadeslayer> :)
[15:04] <shadeslayer> quite a bit of ifdefs yeah
[15:04] <apachelogger> Request-URI Too Large
[15:04] <apachelogger> stupid bugzilla
[15:05] <yofel> Riddell: the reason why we hard-depend on akonadi-backend-mysql is that akonadi has no backend detection. So if there's some dependency issue that removes mysql, akonadi will say it's broken and... that's it. Leave it to the user to find out what happened
[15:05] <Riddell> yofel: mm yes
[15:06] <yofel> we did have an alternate depend in the past, and a bunch of bug reports during the mysql 5.1 -> 5.5 migration
[15:06] <apachelogger> mhhhh
[15:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I haz question
[15:07] <apachelogger> whatever happened to the sc rc?
[15:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes?
[15:07] <Riddell> yofel: whatever would we do without your good memory?
[15:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: uploaded today
[15:07] <shadeslayer> this morning
[15:07] <shadeslayer> keeping an eye out for failiures
[15:07] <apachelogger> to archive or ppa?
[15:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: launchpad was being flaky yesterday, wgrant fixed it today
[15:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: archive
[15:07] <yofel> Riddell: I seriously hoped that akonaid would grow backend-detection at some point... well... I'm still hoping...
[15:08]  * apachelogger scratches nose
[15:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why did it take so long?
[15:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I tried 4-5 times yesterday, but launchpad was being flaky
[15:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: but tarballs went live on 27th?
[15:09] <shadeslayer> and Friday was eaten up by Neon 5 ISO'ering
[15:09] <apachelogger> mhhh
[15:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and monday?
[15:09] <apachelogger> anyway
[15:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: there were no problems up until now, other than flaky lunchpad?
[15:10] <shadeslayer> hm , various meetings and such with regards to plasma stuff IIRC
[15:10] <shadeslayer> but it probably slipped my mind on Monday
[15:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nope
[15:11]  * apachelogger is too stupid to use bugzilla today
[15:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what do I do with vdo
[15:24] <shadeslayer> videosink.c is apparently still built in 4.7
[15:29] <shadeslayer> this is all very confusing apachelogger ^^
[15:49] <apachelogger> tell me about it
[15:50] <shadeslayer> where is my qpulseaudio!
[15:50] <apachelogger> ask alex
[15:50] <apachelogger> it's not like pgst actually does pulse stuff
[15:50] <shadeslayer> I need to rewrite the pgst stuff >.>
[15:50] <shadeslayer> ENOTIME
[15:58] <sgclark> Riddell: https://spideroak.com/browse/share/Kubuntu/kubuntu_packaging
[15:59] <Riddell> sgclark: yay!
[16:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger uploading RC for saucy
[16:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yay!
[16:05] <sgclark> Riddell: oxygen-font does seem to be going backward: latest-debian-changelog-entry-without-new-version
[16:06] <Riddell> sgclark: yes I fixed the version number
[16:06] <sgclark> Riddell: was 0.4
[16:06] <Riddell> sgclark: just remove the old changelog entries
[16:06] <sgclark> Riddell: ok ty
[16:19] <sgclark> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~scarlett-7/+archive/kubuntu-ppa/+builds?build_state=pending
[16:19] <sgclark> Riddell: anything else?
[16:19] <Riddell> sgclark: check on krunner here http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_4.98.0_trusty.html
[16:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fwiw regarding CI into production, don't worry about disk space :P
[16:19] <shadeslayer> or compute power
[16:19] <Riddell> sgclark: please :)
[16:20] <sgclark> Riddell: on it
[16:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why?
[16:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: cuz, I have a computer in the office which can help with that
[16:26] <apachelogger> fair enough
[16:31] <Riddell> Darkwing: hey now you're back at kubuntu where did you get to with that twitter account?
[16:58] <sgclark> Riddell: apt-get source differs from bzr source on krunner, which is latest?
[17:03]  * Riddell looks
[17:04] <Riddell> sgclark: ~ppa8 should be the latest, bzr and PPA should be in sync
[17:05] <sgclark> hmmm not sure what I got
[17:05] <sgclark> I can only find ppa4
[17:07] <Riddell> sgclark: from experimental?
[17:07] <sgclark> Riddell: this is not what I am working on? https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+build/5872492
[17:07] <Riddell> sgclark: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages ~ppa8 in there
[17:08] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+files/krunner_4.98.0-0ubuntu1%7Eubuntu14.04%7Eppa8.dsc
[17:15] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7195132/
[17:17] <Riddell> sgclark: there's a new binary for that no?
[17:18] <Riddell> sgclark: ah I did forget to push that to bzr
[17:18] <Riddell> sgclark: pushed, sorry please update
[17:18] <sgclark> ok
[17:32] <sgclark> Riddell: that file is still list-missing, where is it suppose to be?
[17:33] <Riddell> sgclark: hmm yes I screwed up somehow
[17:34] <Riddell> sgclark: it should be in a new package krunner-data
[17:34] <Riddell> sgclark: please add it yourself, not sure what happened here
[17:35] <sgclark> Riddell: ok will do
[17:51] <AlexZion> hi everyone I had some problem to run kubuntu 14.04 beta2 64bit on my Dell Xps 15z so I tried with the 32bit version and it runs very well without add special option on boot ......
[17:52] <AlexZion> should I add some kernel option to run in the same way the 64bit ?
[17:53] <lordievader> AlexZion: Trusty support is in #ubuntu+1 until Trusty is released.
[17:54] <AlexZion> ahh ok sorry 
[18:09] <sgclark> Riddell: krunner commited to bzr
[20:51] <sgclark> Riddell: you here?
[21:19] <Riddell> buenos tardes
[21:20] <Quintasan> Riddell: Hi
[21:20] <Riddell> buenos noches Quintasan 
[21:20] <Quintasan> Riddell: You don't happen to be well-versed in the mdadm magics?
[21:21] <Riddell> Quintasan: raid stuff?
[21:21] <Quintasan> Riddell: Indeed
[21:23] <Quintasan> Riddell: Migrating 2TB of stuff to RAID is scary stuff when I have next to no idea what am I doing
[21:24] <Riddell> mm, I did use it successfully once but that was many years ago
[21:35] <Riddell> bah, launchpad hasn't compiled my plasma alpha packages
[22:33] <apol> shadeslayer: http://paste.opensuse.org/58650600 << in case you wonder what was going on
[23:18] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[23:44] <valorie> pfff
[23:47] <Riddell> ?
[23:52] <valorie> aaron greeted me by name, then left
[23:52] <valorie> oh, well
[23:52] <valorie> time for dinner anyway
[23:56] <Riddell> I still love you valorie!