[08:31] <axelander> Can a small amount of unmodified latest Lubuntu LTS beta, burned on DVD's be freely distrubuted the old fashioned way(post), from a technology blog to their readers(XP end of support-April 2014). Any legal issues?
[12:04] <llogiq> hi folks.
[12:05] <llogiq> Since I use Lubuntu I have come upon a small but persistent hitch with setting up audio: On all lenovo notebooks I tested so far, the digital audio interface will be the ALSA default.
[12:06] <llogiq> I understand this is because the modules are loaded first, but it would be nice if sound worked out of the box, wouldn't it?
[12:07] <llogiq> I am a fairly experienced user (and have encountered this before), so it took me less than 5 minutes to set a new default in the alsa configuration, but a newbie will have to invest more time.
[12:08] <leszek> llogiq: usually the alsa default device is the right choice
[12:08] <llogiq> leszek, not in this case.
[12:09] <leszek> llogiq: do you have a solution for this then which works globally ?
[12:09] <llogiq> Not yet. That's why I came here instead of creating a patch and opening a bug on launchpad.
[12:09] <leszek> and btw. I really don't think we should work with blacklist / whitelists here
[12:10] <leszek> so I don't think that there is a good solution here. And btw. on my lenovo sound works out of the box fine
[12:10] <llogiq> Not if we can help it. A general rule that pcm should be preferred against spdif?
[12:10] <llogiq> What model?
[12:10] <leszek> n200 3000
[12:11] <leszek> and a thinkpad t420
[12:11] <leszek> and x200s
[12:11] <leszek> :P
[12:11] <llogiq> Lucky you. ;-)
[12:11] <llogiq> The business notebooks usually don't have digital audio output.
[12:11] <leszek> llogiq: alsa already has a vendor and device id specific list I guess
[12:12] <llogiq> I have tested two IdeaPads, one N586 and one Z510.
[12:12] <llogiq> Apparently both use the same intel sound chip.
[12:15] <leszek> it might be fixed already with a newer alsa version upstream
[12:54] <llogiq> leszek, it's been that way since 12.10 and I'm currently on 14.04 beta 2. I suspect the probability of there being an upstream fix that hasn't yet been applied approaches zero.
[12:54] <llogiq> How old is the ALSA version on 14.04 beta2?
[13:02] <leszek> llogiq: the version 1.0.25 that ubuntu uses if from 2012
[13:03] <leszek> the latest official version is from july 2013 (1.0.27.2)
[13:03] <llogiq> ouch
[14:41] <profus2> hello everybody,
[14:42] <profus2> looking for help with rdp program
[14:43] <profus2> tried Vinagre and Remmina, both have flaws which nearly makes them unusable
[14:43] <profus2> when connection to wts server
[14:43] <profus2> sorry connecting
[14:45] <phillw> profus2: not my area of expertise, but have a read of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=824710 if Remmina is not working for you.
[14:46] <profus2> @philw: thx, will do
[14:48] <profus2> its not a problem, of how to use it, but remmina has a known bug, that has not been fixed for quite a while
[14:49] <profus2> after connecting to wts, and turning on the num-lock key, no inputs from the number block are transferred to the wts
[14:50] <profus2> we have to leave the num-lock key turned off, but the other key combinations fail to work
[14:50] <profus2> so if there is anybody out there who could point me to an alternative, that would be great
[18:54]  * splix slaps splix around a bit with a large trout
[21:40] <karen__> Hi, guys, is anyone here?
[21:43] <karen__> I just cleaned installed Lubuntu 13.10. I got it a few months back. I think it is the trial one. Is there a LTS Lubuntu coming up soon, or can I just update this one for awhile. It works good, but when I go to Firefox, the page only goes half way down showing the desktop on the bottom. I downloaded Minecraft, and it does the same thing. I can put my cursor to the top of the page and "move" or "resize" the page, but that is only tempora
[21:43] <karen__> ry. It goes back to the way it was when I start Firefox or Minecraft over again. I guess I don't know how to fix this. help please.
[21:44] <karen__> Dang.. I said at the top that I downloaded Lubuntu 13.10. I think it is a trial one, but I have run the updates. Will there be a LTS Lubuntu soon?
[21:50] <karen__> And also, is Peppermint 3 LTS?
[21:52] <karen__> If there is a LTS Lubuntu out right now, I'll be glad to clean install it.
[21:53] <pleia2> karen__: there has never been a Lubuntu LTS, the first one is coming out on April 17th
[21:53] <pleia2> (I've never seen the problem you're describing so I can't really help, sorry)
[21:53] <karen__> oh, good, April 17th.
[21:54] <karen__> o.k.   Maybe i'll just wait until April 17th. How long will Lubuntu 13.10 last?
[21:58] <karen__> Is Peppermint 3 LTS?
[21:59] <pleia2> probably want to ask in a Peppermint channel :)
[21:59] <pleia2> 13.10 lasts for 9 months
[21:59] <karen__> o.k. thanks!
[22:44] <roasted> hello friends
[22:44] <roasted> anybody know offhand how to change the power button action in lubuntu?
[22:49] <phillw> roasted: I'm running 14.04, so any answer I give will be wrong.. please be patient... I do recall the settings but don't have a 13.10 machine handy
[22:50] <roasted> phillw: that's fine. I'm actually on 14.04 :)
[22:50] <roasted> phillw: as a test I just altered the pwerbtn.sh script in /etc/acpi. I removed every line EXCEPT the "all else fails, shutdown -h now" section at the bottom. TEsting it now.
[22:50] <roasted> although this gizmo self-rebooted during its initial power up so I'm not sure what that means...
[22:51] <wxl> roasted: the keybindings are generally in the openbox config file that you can find by digging around in ~/.config
[22:51] <roasted> wxl: I think this may have done it actually
[22:51] <phillw> well, a line that says on errors " shutdown -h now" would be my method of bug hunting :P
[22:52] <phillw> *would NOT be*
[22:52] <phillw> sorry.. brain frazzled from kernel builds
[22:52] <roasted> I salvaged an old white imac that was in the recycling bin. Basically all I'm trying to do is this... make it a video surveillance view-box. I already set it up to auto login, auto launch firefox in kiosk mode, hide the mouse cursor, and default to my html page which pulls in the source of each camera in a grid format.
[22:53] <roasted> so it won't have a keyboard or mouse. It'll just be a single all in one system that just needs to turn on, bring me the feeds, and turn off when I hit the power button.
[22:55] <wxl> roasted: here's the multimedia keynames if that's useful http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/proto/x11proto/tree/XF86keysym.h
[23:16] <roasted> phillw: offhand do you know the default behavior for "power button was pressed" in 14.04?
[23:17] <phillw> mine has always been power off when held down.
[23:17] <roasted> as in, hold it until the system turns off? or just pressed?
[23:18] <phillw> hold it in untill it shuts down
[23:18] <roasted> isn't that essentially a force shutdown, though?
[23:18] <roasted> in other words, not as safe as a 'proper' shutdown?
[23:19] <phillw> roasted: I would only use that if the GUI system ceased to respond. Only ever needed it a couple of times in my few years of testing.
[23:19] <roasted> phillw: I'm curious about how 14.04 is out of the box. If I press (tap) the power button, what it does.
[23:20] <roasted> phillw: reason I ask is because if I press the power button, it seems to shut down. But if I power back up, it hardlocks before I can see the splash screen each time. If I force poweroff, then turn back on, it's fine.
[23:20] <roasted> In comparison, if I go to terminal, sudo shutdown -h now, then turn on, it works each and every time perfectly
[23:20] <phillw> roasted: I brings up the options of what do wish to do on my system, same as selecting menu -> Logout
[23:21] <roasted> wonder why mine doesn't...
[23:21] <wxl> roasted: maybe because it's a mac.
[23:21] <wxl> seriously, it might produce a different signal
[23:21] <roasted> wxl: but... it did earlier.
[23:21] <roasted> that's why I'm confused or else I'd agree. :<
[23:22] <wxl> oh well that's odd
[23:22] <phillw> roasted: there has been work on the system that looks after going into standby etc...
[23:22] <roasted> the only thing I changed was the powerbtn.sh script
[23:23] <roasted> I copied it, then altered the original. Then I deleted the copy, and brought the original back, so in theory it should be 100% normal
[23:23] <phillw> roasted: get in touch with the ppc testers and ask the those people, they are few in number, but will look into things and get it answered.
[23:23] <roasted> it's not powerpc
[23:23] <roasted> one of the first gen intel's
[23:34] <roasted> so I've rebooted it about 10 times and now it's suddenly working.
[23:34] <roasted> I press power button, it shuts off. press again, it turns on and does it full regular boot. press again, turns off, and repeat.
[23:34] <roasted> weird...?
[23:36] <phillw> roasted: I have no real idea as to where to log that bug against.
[23:44] <roasted> phillw: I'm not sure. What's interesting is, it's acting EXACTLY how I want.
[23:44] <roasted> just strange it doesn't seem to be how it 'should' be.
[23:44] <roasted> how different is lubuntu vs ubuntu + lubuntu-desktop?
[23:47] <phillw> roasted: you would have ubuntu stuff still there and then drop the lubuntu desktop system onto it.
[23:49] <roasted> phillw: I mean, could that be why I'm seeing differences, such as not asking the user when power button pressed etc?
[23:49] <roasted> just a thought
[23:49] <phillw> roasted: if you want to understand more about what makes the flavours different, have a read of http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelubuntu (and the associated links on that web area)
[23:49] <roasted> phillw: thanks - I've been distro hopping since forever it feels like. :P
[23:49] <roasted> phillw: I just meant a full lubuntu install vs dumping lxde on ubuntu
[23:49] <roasted> in terms of how lxde itself behaves
[23:50] <phillw> roasted: then learn about what virt-manager is :)
[23:52] <phillw> roasted: I'm heading off, do feel to ping me on here, or on #phillw if you want to discuss more about using virtual machines to test distros out on