[00:34] <diddledan> *drool* http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/sx130
[00:34] <diddledan> that's a lot of server
[00:38] <daftykins> pricey pricey
[00:38] <daftykins> i'd rather that storage locally ;D
[00:38] <daftykins> my 5TB RAID5 is sooo full ;/
[00:38] <daftykins> 82GB left D:
[00:38] <diddledan> heh
[00:38] <diddledan> HDD FTW
[00:39] <jpds> daftykins: Surely you should be using Ceph.
[00:39] <daftykins> ?
[00:39] <jpds> ceph.com
[00:39] <diddledan> ceph?
[00:39] <diddledan> *click*
[00:40] <daftykins> *blinks*
[00:40] <diddledan> buzzwords
[00:40] <jpds> RAID was so... 5 years ago.
[00:40] <diddledan> what's it do?
[00:40] <diddledan> o_O
[00:41] <diddledan> IIRC most storage systems backend onto RAID
[00:41] <daftykins> that's handy since i put this one together 6 years ago ;D
[00:41] <diddledan> I can't imagine amazon not using RAID for e.g.
[00:42] <diddledan> if "ceph replaces raid" then how does it do the job better?
[00:43] <jpds> I was partially joking around. ;-)
[00:44] <jpds> You would only use Ceph if you want to "build a SAN out of commodity hardware"
[00:44] <diddledan> o_o
[00:45] <jpds> diddledan: You've clearly not seen it in action.
[00:45] <diddledan> nope
[00:45] <diddledan> is there an easy intro video anywhere I can watch without having to think?
[00:45] <diddledan> (it's late!)
[00:46] <jpds> diddledan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyH1C0C4HzM looks legit.
[00:46] <jpds> Never watched it.
[00:48] <jpds> Actually, looks really well done.
[00:49] <diddledan> lol, it's fun actually
[00:49] <diddledan> "giant spendy computer"
[00:52] <jpds> diddledan: But yeah, Ceph's been the hot thing in storage for the last couple of years.
[00:52] <diddledan> how does it compare to swift from openstack?
[00:53] <jpds> diddledan: Swift only does object storage.
[00:53] <diddledan> (swift seems to be an integral part of openstack)
[00:53] <diddledan> aah
[00:53] <jpds> diddledan: Ceph does object, block and a filesystem.
[00:53] <diddledan> I'm oldskool - I like filesystem access methods
[00:54] <jpds> But yeah, ceph can replace swift for openstack.
[01:08] <jpds> diddledan: Thoughts?
[01:08] <diddledan> interesting
[01:11] <diddledan> I'm wondering whether it's of use on small-scale - i.e. 1-3 servers
[01:11] <jpds> You need at least 3 servers for Ceph.
[01:12] <jpds> Because of the voting between monitoring servers.
[01:12] <jpds> But yeah, at that point you'll have "network RAID" across the servers' disks.
[02:19] <diddledan> playing with juju - you can seriously ramp-up some costs if you're not careful
[04:25]  * jussi waves to the Channel
[04:35] <MartijnVdS> ~~~~~
[04:54]  * nigelb waves back to jussi
[05:45] <mapp> morning
[05:49] <MooDoo> morning all
[05:53] <mapp> morning
[05:59] <Myrtti> blaa
[06:01]  * MooDoo hugs Myrtti 
[06:02] <Myrtti> my sister was in UK and over our place and inlaws for the first time, she's just left for the airport
[06:02] <Myrtti> I feel exhausted
[06:04] <mapp> urgh gotta phone sky
[06:05] <diddledan> mapp: they done something wrong, or you just fancy a chinwag?
[06:07] <mapp> well
[06:07] <mapp> ive switched from o2 broadband to sky as sky bought o2 and had a letter a year ago
[06:07] <mapp> but nothing since
[06:07] <mapp> no detals of price/package etc...and its niw switched
[06:07] <mapp> if i leave it i can imagine it'll be more hassle
[06:07] <MooDoo> I phoned them the other day to cancel movies, seemed to go ok.
[06:10] <mapp> camt even find the price
[06:10] <mapp> for without a phoneline
[06:10] <mapp> im with bt
[06:12] <MooDoo> I was thinking about bt but I'd need a phoneline and infinity isn't in my area yet.
[06:21] <whowhat> @seek python
[06:22] <diddledan> whowhat: python: yeah, it's around here someplace
[06:23] <diddledan> well that was.. random
[06:24] <MooDoo> @seek thenextlotterynumbers
[06:24] <MooDoo> come on diddledan hurry up answer me ;)
[06:24] <diddledan> MooDoo: thenextlotterynumbers: I'm sorry, but future-gazing is beyond my remit
[06:25] <MooDoo> diddledan: go on amuse me give me 7 numbers
[06:25] <diddledan> 6**
[06:25] <diddledan> they pull 7 out of the machine but you're only allowed to pick 6
[06:25] <MooDoo> diddledan: was going to buy a euromillions with your numbers then
[06:25] <diddledan> oh euro
[06:25] <MooDoo> 5 numbers between 1 - 50
[06:25] <diddledan> meh
[06:26] <MooDoo> and 2 between 1 - 11
[06:26] <diddledan> yeah the eurobajillions throws a spanner in the works
[06:26] <MooDoo> diddledan: pah would of given you a million then if it's have won with your numbers, lucky dip it is then
[06:26] <diddledan> licky dip is tasty
[07:00] <diplo> Morning all
[07:01] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[07:26] <mapp> result
[07:26] <mapp> found a train thats not a ripoff and before midday:D
[07:27] <mapp> 06;16 gets me back at 07;45 £56
[07:27] <mapp> next ones £109 :|
[07:27] <MooDoo> huzzah! when's that for?
[07:28] <mapp> next monday/tuesday
[07:28] <mapp> going on monday but cant make the last train
[07:28] <mapp> or im not confident i can basically
[07:28] <mapp> i could buy a ticket for the last train 22;50 - but im not sure il make it unless i leave early
[07:29] <mapp> bit annoying cant take my laptop or anything..nowhere to leave them
[07:36] <MooDoo> mapp: work trip or pleasure?
[07:39] <mapp> going to WHL
[07:39] <mapp> :d
[07:40] <MooDoo> western hockey league? lol
[07:52] <mapp> WHITE HART LANE
[07:52] <MooDoo> cricket right?
[07:52] <MooDoo> ;)
[07:55] <mapp> LOL
[07:55] <mapp> spurs v sunderland
[08:04] <bashrc_> morning ubuntuers
[08:09] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:10] <jussi> mapp: who are you supporting?
[08:11] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Reconciliation Day! :-D
[08:12] <mapp> spurs
[08:13] <mapp> gah my machine's so noisy atm
[08:13] <mapp> when its compiling etc its so loud
[08:13] <mapp> but its not doing anything atm from what top shows
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> maybe you're just hot? ;)
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> and it's trying to be cool
[08:13] <jussi> mapp: so you had a good weekend last weekend then :P
[08:14] <mapp> hahaha yes 4-0 liverpool
[08:14] <mapp> lol
[08:16] <jussi> < - Liverpool Supporter
[08:16] <mapp> :)
[08:17] <jussi> mapp: what do you think, will Liverpool win the league ? :D
[08:17] <mapp> yes
[08:17] <mapp> im going to united v sunderland
[08:17] <mapp> and united v hull too
[08:17] <mapp> in manchester..which is much easier for me
[08:17] <mapp> i can get a taxi home if i miss last train:D
[08:18] <mapp> diddledan how often does your ip change?
[08:18] <mapp> mines changed 3x in a week and i never turn my router off
[08:18] <mapp> my previous ip i had for like 6 years;/
[08:18] <mapp> 94.193.78.219 :D
[08:19] <DJones> Ouch, wonder what the repair bill was for this car accident https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kfS8iz2NaLE
[08:23] <MooDoo> mapp: mine rarely changes, just a couple of times a week
[08:23] <diddledan> mapp: I've just requested sky give me a static one - how long it'll be before they actually do is another matter tho
[08:24] <mapp> h,
[08:24] <mapp> hm
[08:24] <mapp> can you do that?!
[08:24] <mapp> im using noip and the noip linux cient which is handy
[08:24] <mapp> but i do likehaving a static ip
[08:25] <DJones> diddledan: I didn't think Sky did static ip's
[08:25] <diddledan> DJones: it's new
[08:26] <DJones> INteresting
[08:26] <diddledan> part of sky's attempt to retain bethere.co.uk users since they merged
[08:27] <foobarry> morning kids
[08:27] <diddledan> they're also planning on introducing DSL line profiles, again for the hardcore bethere users
[08:27] <mapp> were you with bethere diddledan?
[08:27] <diddledan> nope
[08:27] <mapp> how do i request a static ip?
[08:27] <mapp> also what do you mean DSL line profiles
[08:28] <diddledan> https://mysky.sky.com/mysky/profilesettings/pro-broadband-settings
[08:28] <diddledan> they refer to line profile thingy as "line profile customisation"
[08:29] <mapp> whats that even mean:Z
[08:29] <mapp> sparkys still on bethere eh
[08:30] <diddledan> line profile customisation is usually switching the dsl properties to get the lowest latency for gaming
[08:31] <diddledan> ... at the risk of having a less-stable connection
[08:31] <mapp> aha
[08:40] <foobarry> popey: as predicted, seen news that wales may ban e-fags in enclosed public spaces
[08:41] <popey> interesting
[08:43] <MooDoo> popey: did you watch jono's q&a last night, bad jono doesn't like you :D
[08:43] <jussi> ok, spicy prawn ramen gone... now for butterscotch pie :D
[08:49] <jussi> Ive not made butterscitch pie before, but this one worked amazingly :D
[08:51] <popey> MooDoo: no..what?
[08:52] <popey> link me to the mins
[08:55] <diddledan> he had a dig at the GPL too
[08:56] <diddledan> I came in right at the last minute tho, so I missed most of the rant
[08:56] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mojmJ_MpBM was the best joke from yesterday
[08:57] <ali1234> and the only one that was actually entertaining at all
[08:57] <MooDoo> popey: it was jono's april fool gag, he was leaving open source, bad mouthing ubuntu, moving to windows 98, the only thing he liked about his team was one of your collegues luxurious hair, it was awesome :D
[08:59] <MooDoo> popey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlYk4RlOnJY is the link to the q&a but I don't have the time where he mentions his team lol
[09:02] <popey> ali1234: i dont get it ☻
[09:02] <ali1234> well you have to have watched his old videos
[09:07] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:08] <neuro> so wait
[09:09] <bashrc> morning
[09:09] <neuro> "Sky Unlimited Pro" users, who are ex-Be and ex-O2 users, get the option of a static IP
[09:09] <neuro> but "Sky Unlimited Fibre Pro" users, who are on 80/20 FTTC, don't?
[09:10] <neuro> s/Unlimited Fibre/Fibre Unlimited/
[09:15] <bashrc> static IP must surely be a rare commodity, unless its IPv6
[09:16] <neuro> it's a rare commodity if you're trying to get a new allocation
[09:17] <neuro> if you're Sky, who have absorbed various networks' allocations, including Avatar/Be/O2's, it's not a big deal
[09:18] <neuro> and any kind of unused IPv4 is a rare thing, not just statically assigned ones
[09:19] <neuro> if you have 1 million customers, you still need 1 million IPs, unless you're stupid (or very sure of your customer usage patterns) and underprovision
[09:19] <neuro> i don't understand all the apprehension from be users
[09:20] <neuro> i switched from be to sky before they were even bought
[09:20] <neuro> all i miss are the static IPs, and then even not so much
[09:21] <neuro> i get on fine with dynamic dns and v6 tunnels
[09:21] <neuro> once i figured out how to make pfsense tell he.net what my IP was :D
[09:27] <codecowboy> Hi. Is there a way to list sftp-server enabled user in Ubuntu from command line?
[09:27] <codecowboy> user = users ^^
[09:28] <neuro> iirc any user with a valid shell can potentially do sftp
[09:28] <neuro> although your sshd config may vary
[09:37] <BigRedS__> yeah, how you do it depends on how you've configured your sshd
[09:37] <BigRedS__> in general, anyone with a valid shell can do sftp
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> valid shell *and credentials*
[09:38] <BigRedS__> oh yeah
[09:43] <foobarry> so...windows. choose hibernate, does nothing. looks the screen
[09:44] <foobarry> chose shutdown and now 61 updates getting installed..no warning :( i'm in a rush too
[09:44] <BigRedS__> All the cool OSes have stopped supporting hibernate anyway
[09:45] <BigRedS__> oh, right
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: there's usually a warning on the shutdown button, it has a yellow thingy next to it
[09:46] <foobarry> doesn't seem to be
[09:49] <codecowboy> BigRedS__neuro thanks
[10:09] <diddledan> I think that's my static IP just been applied
[10:09] <MooDoo> diddledan: nice :D
[10:10] <diddledan> had to force my non-sky router to request the dhcp for it to work
[10:10] <diddledan> re-request**
[10:10] <diddledan> it just so happened that the connection disappeared (removal of old IP, I guess) at the same time I logged-out and back-in on my laptop
[10:11] <diddledan> so I was confuddled for a moment
[10:11] <diddledan> thinking I'd broken my laptop
[10:13] <bigcalm> Speaking of laptops, I don't think I've been able to use the eth port on mine yet. Tried a couple of times, found it didn't work so reverted to wifi but never followed it up.
[10:16] <foobarry> bigcalm: win or lin?
[10:17] <bigcalm> Ubuntu 14.04
[10:17] <bigcalm> I have a feeling that it'll be drivers
[10:17] <MooDoo> bigcalm: I must admit I used mine for the first time the other night with though ethernet over power adapters I have....
[10:17] <foobarry> does ifconfig eth0 show it?
[10:17] <bigcalm> foobarry: don't know, not in front of my laptop at the moment
[10:21] <foobarry> i struggle to remember if kazam is called kazam or shazam
[10:21] <MooDoo> foobarry: file sharing?  wasn't is kazaam? two a's?
[10:21] <popey> screencasting, kazam
[10:21] <popey> !info kazam
[10:22] <MooDoo> ah I was thinking of Kazaa
[10:22] <foobarry> kazoo, yazoo
[10:22] <foobarry> yazz, tizer, tizwas
[10:28] <MooDoo> the phantom flan flinger
[10:29] <jussi> bazoo
[10:33] <foobarry> banjo kazooie
[10:36] <diddledan> bonza bongos?
[10:36] <jussi> beechcraft bonanza?
[10:36] <diddledan> sorry, family friendly!
[10:36] <MooDoo> Yo're all nuts
[10:36] <jussi> MooDoo: tell us something we werent aware of...
[10:37] <diddledan> MooDoo: was there a point?
[10:37] <MooDoo> nah just stating the obvious.....Anyone apart from me, popey et al going on the RAT in august?
[10:37] <foobarry> bonza bongos is a future ubuntu release
[10:37] <diddledan> lol
[10:38] <diddledan> foobarry: alternatively bonza badonkadonks
[10:38] <popey> !rat
[10:38] <diddledan> rats!
[10:38] <popey> MooDoo: that link shows who is going
[10:38] <MooDoo> o/
[10:47]  * bigcalm wonders if he has met Paul Mellors
[10:47] <MooDoo> bigcalm: you can't miss me, I'm rather tall
[10:47] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:47] <foobarry> anyone know of an issue where ubuntu fails to recognise a raid5 , and calls it raid45 instead?
[10:47] <bigcalm> MooDoo: That's the problem with IRC nicks that aren't real names
[10:47] <foobarry> cannot install ubuntu properly
[10:48] <foobarry> because it mis-detects the disk
[10:48] <MooDoo> bigcalm: you could of met me if you went to the lug radio live event in wolverhampton many moons ago
[10:48] <Laney> bah, need ssd
[10:48] <Laney> or maybe to remove windows
[10:48] <MooDoo> ssd ftw o/
[10:48] <Laney> current one is full
[10:48] <bigcalm> MooDoo: I went to the very last lug radio live and have been to all of the oggcamps
[10:48] <Laney> don't think i've booted windows this year actually
[10:48] <popey> i removed windows from my second ssd
[10:48] <popey> so now I have / on one ssd, and /home on the other
[10:49] <popey> which is a touch excessive
[10:49] <Laney> it's annoying having to clean stuff up every other day
[10:49] <MooDoo> bigcalm: probably not then, was supposed to fo to the last few oggcamps, but fate didn't allow me too :(
[10:49] <popey> yeah, thats what motivatred me to do it
[10:49] <Laney> yeah i've got a lot of rust for bulky stuff
[10:49] <popey> /dev/sdb1 on / type btrfs (rw,noatime,nodiratime)
[10:49] <popey> /dev/sda1 on /home type btrfs (rw,noatime,nodiratime)
[10:49] <popey> \o/
[10:49] <bigcalm> Oh, I tell a lie. I didn't go to last year's oggcamp. I got married instead
[10:49] <Laney> can't imagine going over 240 really
[10:49] <popey> heh, thats 2x240
[10:49] <popey> /dev/sdb1            231G   33G  196G  15% /
[10:49] <popey> /dev/sda1            224G  196G   27G  88% /home
[10:50] <Laney> yeah... room to grow...
[10:50] <diddledan> google+ is auto-hoffsome-ing photos
[10:51] <diddledan> http://googleblog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/introducing-auto-awesome-photobombs.html
[11:05] <jussi> diddledan: that is really scary
[12:30] <MooDoo> anyone play riddling?
[12:32] <popey> ya
[12:33] <MooDoo> popey: i'm stuck on question 4 *blush*
[12:33] <popey> whats the clue?
[12:33] <MooDoo> A new hope
[12:33] <popey> :D
[12:34] <MooDoo> thought it was start wars or something but alas no lol
[12:34] <popey> it is
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> it is
[12:34] <popey> 4 = A New Hope
[12:34] <popey> 5 = ????
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> remember the lessons from the previous clues as well
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> (Letter Case Matters)
[12:35] <MooDoo> damn it lol
[12:36] <MooDoo> oh stupid app :)
[12:39] <SuperMatt> word up
[12:39] <SuperMatt> two weeks left now?
[12:40] <MooDoo> ?
[12:40] <SuperMatt> 14.04
[12:40] <MooDoo> ah yeah
[12:40] <SuperMatt> 17th of April
[12:40] <SuperMatt> still wanna know some deets about a release party ;)
[12:46] <BigRedS__> Oh yeah, I forgot that was happening
[12:46] <BigRedS__> is that on the 17th@?
[12:51] <popey> Oh, 18th is good friday?
[12:56] <MartijnVdS> 20 is easter
[12:56] <MartijnVdS> so.. probably?
[12:57] <popey> right, I'll fire a mail at the list
[13:07] <BigRedS__> oh yeah, 18th is a day off isn't it?
[13:31] <smittix> Afternoon all.
[13:32] <bashrc> evening
[13:33] <bashrc> I liked the Jono April fool
[13:44] <bigcalm> Cisco SPA303-G3 be mine
[13:47] <diddledan> bigcalm: pervert
[13:52] <diddledan> apple's time machine is weird - it's complaining that it can't complete a backup because it wants 390GB of space on the backup disc to save the snapshot of a 250GB disc
[14:03] <diddledan> whart? ubuone is going away?
[14:05] <ali1234> not really all that surprising
[14:05] <ali1234> it hasn't worked properly for months
[14:11] <diddledan> I really don't get how my mac can be backing up over 300GB from a 250GB HDD
[14:17] <mapp> lol
[14:18] <mapp> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00FWFYTPK/ref=noref?ie=UTF8&psc=1&s=electronics
[14:18] <mapp> http://www.maxicharger.co.uk/collections/all/products/maxi-charger-iphone-5-bumper-black-cover
[14:18] <mapp> the maxicharger claims to have moe power and be a fraction of the price?
[14:18] <mapp> hmm
[14:44]  * bigcalm eyes the cisco phone
[14:44] <bigcalm> Every change via the web interface appears to cause the phone to reboot
[14:49] <neuro> ubuntu one is being killed off?
[14:49] <neuro> i can't imagine aq's happy
[14:49] <neuro> unless i've fallen for something "amusing"
[14:50] <neuro> "As of today, April 2 ..." ah, no, I haven't. OK.
[14:50] <neuro> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/canonical-axe-ubuntu-one-file-music-services-grab-data-now
[14:54] <popey> "now" or any time up to 31st July
[14:55] <davmor2> bigcalm: I think the secret is to stop playing with it :P
[14:55] <popey> i see he changed the title, kept the url
[14:55] <bashrc> ubuntu one? dead?
[14:55] <neuro> not yet
[14:55] <neuro> but it's in the post
[14:56] <neuro> can't buy music or additional space as of today
[14:56] <neuro> features disabled on june 1st
[14:56] <neuro> files deleted and service shuttered july 31st
[14:56] <neuro> according to d00d
[14:56] <bashrc> well, that's a surprise
[14:57] <bashrc> but having said that I never used ubuntu one much
[14:58] <neuro> me either
[14:58] <neuro> never did like the UI
[14:58] <neuro> but nautilus and backup integration was nice
[14:59] <bashrc> "February past saw an extended period of outage. It says something that this went, for the first week or so, largely, unnoticed."
[14:59] <neuro> huh, i *do* have it installed ...
[15:04] <neuro> ... and it's not connecting.
[15:04] <diddledan> davmor2: I was told I'd go blind if I didn't stop playing with it
[15:04] <neuro> oh, here we go
[15:10] <neuro> ah, here's the official word
[15:10] <neuro> https://one.ubuntu.com/services/shutdown/
[15:10] <neuro> http://blog.canonical.com/2014/04/02/shutting-down-ubuntu-one-file-services/
[15:32] <foobarry> u1 is closing?
[15:32] <foobarry> fail
[15:34] <foobarry> who is offering free storage of 25-50gb?
[15:37] <directhex> box.net
[15:38] <popey> copy.com ?
[15:39] <foobarry> box.net sucks though
[15:39] <foobarry> sftp is 1kb/s , no desktop app,
[15:39] <foobarry> looks like dropbox has won
[15:40] <bashrc> the main reason why I didn't use ubuntu one much was that I had my own server, so it's easy to use sshfs and so on
[15:40] <foobarry> i worry about owncloud becoming pwncloud
[15:41] <neuro> free?
[15:41] <bashrc> why so?
[15:41] <neuro> pffff
[15:41] <bigcalm> My desk phone thinks that it's 21:38 \o/
[15:41] <neuro> dropbox is 2G for free, 100G for $9.99/mo
[15:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: time you knocked off then surely
[15:41] <neuro> google drive is 15G for free, 100G for $1.99/mo
[15:41] <foobarry> having to administer your own cloud server ..what happens if major bug and you're on holiday
[15:41] <foobarry> or really busy
[15:42] <foobarry> google drive has a linux cilent?
[15:42] <neuro> foobarry: then you shouldn't be administering your own cloud server
[15:42] <foobarry> "foobarry> i worry about owncloud becoming pwncloud   "
[15:42] <foobarry> exactly
[15:42] <davmor2> foobarry: you can have a cloud server or a holiday not both
[15:42] <foobarry> yep
[16:16] <diddledan> has anybody explained the process that canonical were using to build maguro touch images yet?
[16:16] <diddledan> (galaxy nexus)
[16:26]  * bigcalm now has a fully working SIP set-up for the 3 remote offices
[16:27] <bigcalm> All that's left is to get our 0845 number ported from the existing provider
[16:27] <brobostigon> :)
[16:29] <diddledan> bigcalm: well done!
[16:29] <bigcalm> Ta :)
[16:30] <diddledan> SIP is a magical black box to me
[16:30] <bigcalm> I did the research, boss chose the company, I set up our account using their web interface
[16:30] <bigcalm> Everything just works(tm)
[16:35] <daftykins> and when there's a power cut...? :)
[16:37] <bigcalm> Then I won't get customer calls \o/
[16:37] <bigcalm> No lose situation
[16:37] <popey> i thought you had a ups
[16:38] <bigcalm> Shh
[16:38] <bigcalm> Currently the desk phone isn't plugged into it
[16:38] <bigcalm> So in that instance, only my desktop client and mobile will ring
[16:38] <bigcalm> Humm...
[16:39] <bigcalm> It's nice that I can log into 3 devices with the same account
[16:41]  * brobostigon highlights its world autism awareness day, today.
[16:46] <bigcalm> Maybe I should have bought a switch that does PoE
[16:55]  * bigcalm ponders the SGS5 for his next handset (assuming that t-mobile won't be offering the Nexus 5)
[17:25] <daftykins> why not just go SIM only so you can have whatever phone you want? :)
[17:25] <daftykins> Samsungs come with so much tosh these days
[17:26] <daftykins> it's like setting up a new Windows laptop with a fresh install, almost, to disable it all ;)
[17:28] <brobostigon> nexus, :)
[17:28] <brobostigon> or gpe.
[17:29] <bigcalm> daftykins: because I prefer to have a handset from a contract
[17:30] <daftykins> fair enough
[17:30] <bigcalm> Quite like my SGS3
[17:30] <daftykins> still an alien world to me, that
[17:49] <neuro> contract phone = mad
[17:52] <ali1234> yeah why would anyone want to pay 15% less? madness
[17:54] <directhex> contract phones can have a lower TCO over 2 years than separate phone and contract
[17:54] <directhex> and additionally, you don't need £300+ up front
[17:55] <ali1234> yes, 15% less according to my calculations
[17:58] <ali1234> if you factor in the interest free load then you don't even need to go 24 months to make it cheaper
[17:59] <directhex> it's model- and network-dependant
[18:00] <neuro> ali1234: show your workings then :)
[18:01] <ali1234> neuro: an example int he comments on this post: https://plus.google.com/117474986382867317779/posts/byCeLFpoCpS
[18:07] <neuro> do you know what your savings get you?
[18:07] <neuro> lack of flexibility
[18:08] <ali1234> the sim only option is still 12 month minimum
[18:08] <neuro> and if you're not savvy, you'll still end up paying that same high contract cost after the contract has ended
[18:08] <neuro> eh?
[18:08] <SuperEngineer> neuro: or.... more money -this can be important to those of us who understand the value of money
[18:09] <neuro> SuperEngineer: you're saying i don't understand the value of money?
[18:09] <neuro> ali1234: what are you talking about?
[18:10] <SuperEngineer> e.g. daughter is now currently saving a fortune... she has ebnough of a brain to mix and match until she got the right deal
[18:10] <ali1234> the sim only option i used to calculate the price difference has a minimum term of 12 months
[18:10] <ali1234> i would have used the 24 month equivalent, but they don't have one
[18:10] <neuro> so?
[18:10] <neuro> there are other sim only options
[18:10] <neuro> so you can rock out of your 30 day rolling if a better deal comes along
[18:10] <ali1234> yeah, you can have a 1 month term, but it is even more expensive
[18:10] <neuro> not that much
[18:11] <neuro> 3 One Plan is £72 more expensive over 2 years
[18:11] <ali1234> £48 over 24 months
[18:11] <neuro> and that's an epic tariff
[18:11] <ali1234> that's like an extra 5% on top
[18:11] <SuperEngineer> me... I really don't care - firm supplies a phone which they feel to phone me on even when I'm on leave [now]
[18:11] <neuro> i'd rather buy outright so i have a measure of flexibility
[18:11] <SuperEngineer> ...I therefore feee free to use it for my own phone and onlyt phone
[18:12] <ali1234> factor in the free credit you;re getting and it's more like 25%
[18:12] <neuro> which is what i did
[18:12] <ali1234> if you're not savvy you're going to get screwed no matter what
[18:12] <ali1234> such is life
[18:12]  * neuro idly strokes nearby iPhone 5s
[18:12] <neuro> plus the hassle of unlocking when your contract is over if you decide to move
[18:13] <ali1234> no hassle at all. you ring them up and get a code and it's done
[18:13] <neuro> ha
[18:13]  * SuperEngineer idly strokes firms firm set to ignore all firm's calls and act only for friends and family ;)
[18:13] <ali1234> or you just get a new subsidised phone with a new contract
[18:13] <neuro> ew
[18:14] <neuro> "hello phone network, please lock me into your service and this what-will-be-a-crappy-handset-halfway-through-the-contract phone for the next $LARGE_PROPORTION_OF_MY_LIFE months, ta"
[18:14] <SuperEngineer> *phone
[18:14] <neuro> i'm so done with that
[18:15] <ali1234> you are in no way locked in to the handset
[18:15] <ali1234> you can buy a new one and use it any time you want
[18:15] <ali1234> you still have to pay for the old one either way
[18:15] <neuro> so you buy a new phone
[18:15] <neuro> but you're still locked into the more expensive tariff
[18:16] <neuro> sorry, i just prefer the concept of divorcing the handset from the operator
[18:16] <ali1234> yes, you are still locked in to a credit arrangement for the product you bought
[18:16] <bigcalm> Maybe I should ditch Android and get an iPhone
[18:16] <ali1234> you will still end up paying less
[18:17] <neuro> it's like saying you're happy to get a cheaper car that only takes petrol from tesco, and you can only ever fill up at tesco
[18:17] <bigcalm> I only fill up at Tesco as it is
[18:17] <ali1234> no, it's like saying if you buy a phone on credit card you should be able to stop paying the CC bill after 6 months because you don't like the phone any more
[18:17] <neuro> bigcalm: you should ditch android and get an iphone, but of course, i *would* say that
[18:17] <neuro> ali1234: no, it's not
[18:18] <SuperEngineer> neuro: as long as you realise *they* are tracking you no matter what/how smart you think on a mobile device.... go with your own choice... all you're doing is choosing how much u want to pay GCHQ to track you.
[18:18] <neuro> SuperEngineer: errr, ok
[18:18] <SuperEngineer> *final*
[18:19] <ali1234> if you want a car analogy, it's like buying a car that comes with free petrol for 24 months and the petrol can be used in any car, but you still have to pay for the car you bought
[18:19] <neuro> nope
[18:19] <neuro> anyway
[18:19] <smittix> Evening all
[18:20] <neuro> is it?
[18:20] <neuro> evening?
[18:20] <neuro> jeez
[18:20] <smittix> heh
[18:20] <neuro> ali1234: something you're forgetting is that operators top load the tariffs on contract phones
[18:21] <neuro> if all you need is a couple of hundred minutes and light data, you'll probably not find that on a high end smartphone deal
[18:21] <neuro> or you will, but the up front will be greater
[18:22] <neuro> in other news, amazon have shipped my samsung evo ssd by royal mail!
[18:22] <neuro> and not the clowns at yodel \o/
[18:24] <neuro> so looking forward to this
[18:24] <neuro> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00E3W16OU
[18:25] <mapps> footie time in a bit
[18:25] <mapps> real madrid
[18:25] <mapps> :D
[18:25] <neuro> oh aye
[18:25] <mapps> yesh
[18:26] <mapps> i use works pictures laptop -> hdmi
[18:26] <mapps> and then put 2 games on
[18:26] <mapps> :)
[18:26] <neuro> lol
[18:26] <neuro> what, are you using sky go or something?
[18:26] <mapps> no
[18:26] <mapps> lol
[18:26] <mapps> cobain
[18:26] <neuro> which is?
[18:26] <mapps> now owned by perform group (sports streaming comany)
[18:26] <mapps> they provide streams to bookmakers
[18:26] <neuro> oh of course
[18:26] <neuro> just remembered what you do
[18:26] <neuro> :)
[18:26] <mapps> it costs like thousands per month
[18:27]  * neuro hates sky go
[18:27] <neuro> piece of silverlight rubbish
[18:27] <mapps> like my pictures were 6 sec ahead of my mate last week
[18:27] <mapps> and clearly no good for betting
[18:27] <mapps> sky that is
[18:28] <neuro> sky don't even support sky go on windows 8.x or OS X 10.8/9
[18:28] <mapps> lol
[18:28] <mapps> its embarassing
[18:28] <mapps> how we ge t faster feeds for prem games
[18:28] <neuro> yup
[18:28] <mapps> from foreign broadcasters
[18:28] <mapps> skys garbage
[18:28] <neuro> you're getting a raw feed, clearly
[18:28] <SuperEngineer> Windows 8.1 update will finally bring back the Start menu -looks like even Microsoft have realise what users actually want.
[18:28] <mapps> the tennis is REALLY bad though
[18:28] <mapps> like
[18:29] <mapps> bookies offer streaming free to punters on soccer/nba/horsies etc/tennis
[18:29] <mapps> and thats faster than sky for soccer/tennis
[18:29] <neuro> SuperEngineer: s/will finally bring/finally brought/ and it's not *the* Start menu
[18:30] <neuro> mapps: ye cannae break the laws o' physics
[18:30] <SuperEngineer> neuro: coorect - it's got proeet oiccies ofopen apps .. what a good idea... .........
[18:30] <mapps> i went into hills on my way to sainsburys earlier and lol
[18:30] <SuperEngineer> *piccies
[18:30] <mapps> i always feel sorry fo them
[18:30] <mapps> man and women..dunno if husband and wife
[18:30] <mapps> sitting there betting on EVERY race like 5 quid a time
[18:30] <mapps> even virtual racing
[18:30] <mapps> that = addicts
[18:31] <neuro> this is why i don't bet
[18:33] <mapps> im bad for it tbh
[18:33] <mapps> very bad
[18:34] <mapps> betb50 quid..lose..now i want that 50
[18:34] <mapps> even though at the time youre prepared to lose it kinda speak
[18:47] <foobarry> i just accidentally invoked the windows key shortcuts screen. forgot about that, also HUD..never use
[18:48] <smittix> Anyone have nVidia Optimus hardware?
[18:49] <Azelphur> smittix: yup
[18:49] <SuperEngineer> err herrmm; 'tis *not*  the windows key - 'tis the Super key
[18:49] <davmor2> smittix: yes thanks
[18:50] <smittix> davmor2: My battery life sucks.
[18:50] <davmor2> smittix: yes
[18:50] <foobarry> oh, copy.com has linux client, anyone used it?
[18:50] <smittix> davmor2: 15 minutes and it's gone from 100% to 76%
[18:51] <davmor2> smittix: Open nvidia-settings change the power mizer mode if that doesn't do anything change the Prime profile from nvidia to intel
[18:52] <smittix> davmor2: I don't have the nVidia drivers installed, I just installed Bumblebee?
[18:53] <davmor2> smittix: on what version of Ubuntu?
[18:54] <smittix> 13.10
[18:54] <smittix> What would you suggest I do?
[18:55] <davmor2> smittix: not a lot I can suggest have a read on bumble bee docs site and see if there is way to make intel the default
[19:25] <foobarry> how hard is this game 2048?
[19:25] <foobarry> spent 10 mins playing and wondering if its a massive time sink
[19:57] <smittix> davmor2: Ok, thanks anyway. Bumblebee seems to be working ok now. Battery is still rubbish though. I will have to live with it.
[20:17] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8i16eae5050qx8w/zelda.png
[20:17] <daftykins> ;D
[20:17] <daftykins> smittix: 14.04 and nvidia-prime might end up being better for you eventually
[20:17] <daftykins> assuming your BIOS has no control over the graphics setup (often they don't)
[20:18] <smittix> daftykins: That's good news then
[20:18] <smittix> daftykins: Fingers crossed!
[20:18] <smittix> I'm not too sure yet but I think I may have improved the battery life. It seems to be discharging a little slower.
[20:19] <daftykins> yeah if you've got bumblebee active i think it keeps the nvidia chip off until you opti-run something
[20:19] <daftykins> there may be even more ways to power it down completely, not sure
[20:20] <smittix> I just did a cat /proc/acpi/bbswitch and it's off so looking good at the minute
[20:20] <smittix> I have also set cpufreq to powersave.
[20:21] <smittix> Right, I'm off to watch the last walking dead. Thank's for the info you guys.
[22:37] <mapp> yo
[22:52] <mapp> hmm keep getting cutoff now im with sky
[22:53] <mapp> :|
[23:37] <diddledan> https://plus.google.com/events/c1ah7qch7j1h0e6613v1c94grbs <-- vint cerf talking to leo laporte
[23:40] <daftykins> argh that mic noise