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| jhenke | hi folks | 06:35 |
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| ochosi | morning | 07:38 |
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| starrats | good morning everyone | 09:11 |
| Adam_T | howdy! | 09:11 |
| starrats | morning Adam_T | 09:14 |
| jhenke | good morning | 09:14 |
| starrats | good morning jhenke | 09:17 |
| starrats | almost thought I had a 'bug' to complain about this morning from last night's update/upgrade but this morning's update/upgrade went as smooth as silk | 09:19 |
| starrats | Is Liberoffice ready for download/install on 14.04, a couple folks I know on FB are having some problems with it and I was going to install it on mine but haven't yet? | 10:31 |
| elfy | starrats: I've been using libreoffice on trusty since I installed it in Oct/Nov last year | 12:03 |
| starrats | ah okay elfy | 12:46 |
| elfy | seem to have a whole bunch of kde packages kicking about suddenly | 15:38 |
| jhenke | kde? where does those come from? | 15:43 |
| elfy | no idea - but I've just removed a bunch of packages and appear to have no wallpaper now | 15:43 |
| ochosi | maybe you removed xfdesktop? :) | 15:45 |
| elfy | nope | 15:45 |
| elfy | first - I'm not sure where the kde stuff appeared from - but that could be explainable :p | 15:47 |
| elfy | there was an upgrade to xfdesktop to 4.11.5-0ubuntu1 | 15:48 |
| brainwash_ | https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10788 | 15:50 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10788 in General "Desktop background disappears when changing GTK theme" [Major,New] | 15:50 |
| elfy | http://pastebin.com/BLxyhM78 can't see anything odd in there - odd why they are on here | 15:52 |
| brainwash_ | dunno | 15:53 |
| brainwash_ | it's still the same issue (wallpaper disappears) | 15:54 |
| elfy | could have been clementine | 15:54 |
| elfy | ubiquity-frontend-kde | 15:56 |
| elfy | coincidence then :) | 15:57 |
| elfy | brainwash_: I didn't change themes - I was just doing stuff in synaptic | 15:58 |
| elfy | though the kill works | 15:58 |
| brainwash_ | this was my initial bug title, it can also disappear on other occasions | 15:59 |
| elfy | aah ok :) | 16:00 |
| brainwash_ | sadly I didn't notice this before :/ | 16:06 |
| elfy | well it's a new one on me as well ;) | 16:06 |
| brainwash_ | yeah, but you do not test the upstream changes :) | 16:07 |
| lenny | elfy: I'm an ex-clementine user, try quodlibet ;) | 16:19 |
| elfy | lenny: tried that ... | 16:20 |
| elfy | tried everything ... | 16:20 |
| lenny | but? | 16:21 |
| elfy | clementine is as close as I can get to how I want it to work - so I stick with it :) | 16:21 |
| lenny | :) sound decision | 16:21 |
| ochosi | brainwash_, elfy: yeah, can confirm that bug with the wallpaper disappearing straight on the xfdesktop upgrade | 16:22 |
| ochosi | (killing xfdesktop once brings it back though) | 16:23 |
| elfy | good - I thought I'd broken it - really don't want to have to redo this install till we've released | 16:24 |
| elfy | :) | 16:24 |
| brainwash_ | unlucky, we fix a regression and a new bug appears :/ | 16:50 |
| elfy | could be worse ... we could have fixed ibus ;) | 16:51 |
| brainwash_ | ibus will be the new broken indicator-sound (13.10) | 16:52 |
| ochosi | well then fix it :) | 16:52 |
| brainwash_ | impossible | 16:52 |
| brainwash_ | that's the dark side | 16:53 |
| elfy | no it won't be - if it doesn't get fixed then we'll not ship it | 16:53 |
| brainwash_ | you need to be magician to understand this stuff | 16:53 |
| brainwash_ | I'll focus on the xfce related issues | 16:54 |
| brainwash_ | like bug 1292290 | 16:54 |
| ubottu | bug 1292290 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "Window manager keybindings don't work after reboot" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1292290 | 16:54 |
| lenny | works on my machine (tm) | 16:55 |
| brainwash_ | what works? | 16:55 |
| lenny | keybindings | 16:55 |
| brainwash_ | did you change any? | 16:55 |
| lenny | yes | 16:55 |
| brainwash_ | like? | 16:56 |
| lenny | mod enter for terminal | 16:56 |
| brainwash_ | no, we are talking about window manager keybindings | 16:56 |
| brainwash_ | like "switch to workspace 1" | 16:56 |
| lenny | oh, sorry then :) | 16:57 |
| brainwash_ | or "maximize window" | 16:57 |
| brainwash_ | elfy: xfdesktop 4.11.5 + patches for the new bugs (moving files, disappearing wallpaper) | 17:39 |
| brainwash_ | https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test | 17:39 |
| brainwash_ | looking forward to tell noskcaj to prepare yet another xfdesktop4 upload :) | 17:47 |
| elfy | brainwash_: that appears to work for the file issue - no idea about the desktop, don't know how to create the issue :) | 18:34 |
| brainwash_ | elfy: simply change the gtk theme | 18:45 |
| brainwash_ | settings manager > appearance | 18:45 |
| elfy | oh well - I'e purged it now | 18:45 |
| brainwash_ | great, now you can see if the patch works | 18:46 |
| brainwash_ | before and after | 18:46 |
| elfy | can't do that | 18:46 |
| elfy | it's Wednesday | 18:46 |
| elfy | mmm | 18:47 |
| elfy | settings - appearance - fiddling with those doesn't do anything unexpected ... | 18:47 |
| brainwash_ | did you purge and restart xfdesktop? | 18:48 |
| elfy | oh - not sure when I rebooted | 18:48 |
| elfy | ok - cool - that's got it | 18:49 |
| brainwash_ | wallpaper gone? | 18:49 |
| elfy | yep | 18:49 |
| elfy | ok - that works too then | 18:50 |
| brainwash_ | also uploaded xfce4-power-manager, it should now sync the power-manager and session setting for "lock screen on suspend" | 18:50 |
| brainwash_ | settings manager > session and startup > advanced | 18:50 |
| brainwash_ | I think | 18:50 |
| brainwash_ | and the power-manager one | 18:50 |
| elfy | lock screen before sleep? | 18:51 |
| brainwash_ | yes | 18:51 |
| brainwash_ | we have two settings for it | 18:51 |
| brainwash_ | not counting light-locker-settings | 18:51 |
| brainwash_ | oh man, so much to test =S | 18:52 |
| elfy | ok - they sync | 18:52 |
| elfy | what's the xfwm4 in there for? | 18:53 |
| brainwash_ | to hide the unused maximize button for dialog windows | 18:53 |
| brainwash_ | check the PPA description for links to the bug reports | 18:53 |
| elfy | bug is just rabbiting on about ubiquity | 18:55 |
| elfy | ok - maximise is missing from update search index in catfish | 18:56 |
| brainwash_ | ubiquity uses xfwm4 to render window decorations I guess | 18:56 |
| brainwash_ | but all dialog windows in Xfce are affected | 18:57 |
| elfy | some are still there - but work | 18:57 |
| brainwash_ | well, windows which are not meant to be resizable, but still show the maximize button | 18:57 |
| elfy | yea | 18:57 |
| elfy | purging now | 18:57 |
| brainwash_ | now re-install xfdesktop from my ppa :D | 18:58 |
| brainwash_ | restart it and change the gtk theme | 18:58 |
| elfy | did you see what I just typed | 18:58 |
| elfy | oh I've done that - that worked | 18:59 |
| brainwash_ | so quick? | 18:59 |
| brainwash_ | so the wallpaper does not disappear anymore with the patch? | 18:59 |
| elfy | nope | 18:59 |
| brainwash_ | great | 18:59 |
| elfy | mmm | 19:00 |
| brainwash_ | o.o | 19:00 |
| brainwash_ | I did not test it yet | 19:00 |
| elfy | just rechecking something | 19:01 |
| brainwash_ | watching soccer atm | 19:01 |
| ochosi | brainwash_: just tested xfpm patch from your ppa | 19:03 |
| elfy | yep - rechecked that - appears to work | 19:03 |
| ochosi | seems like the sync doesn't always work both ways, at least with both dialogs open changing it in session doesn't do anything in xfpm | 19:03 |
| ochosi | the other way round (xfpm > session) works perfectly | 19:04 |
| brainwash_ | don't open both dialogs :) | 19:04 |
| brainwash_ | elfy: thanks for testing | 19:04 |
| ochosi | well we want a two-way sync | 19:05 |
| ochosi | and actually the patch *should* do that | 19:05 |
| ochosi | maybe just the dialog doesn't update | 19:05 |
| ochosi | i guess i'll monitor xfconf... | 19:05 |
| brainwash_ | possibly | 19:05 |
| brainwash_ | ochosi: should we add the lp report to -bugs | 19:06 |
| brainwash_ | bug 1101982 | 19:07 |
| ubottu | bug 1101982 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "inconsistent settings for lock screen between xfce4-session and xfce4-power-manager" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1101982 | 19:07 |
| brainwash_ | it's even marked as security issue | 19:08 |
| ochosi | added | 19:08 |
| brainwash_ | ok | 19:08 |
| ochosi | if i have time i'll look at the monitoring code later | 19:09 |
| ochosi | but actually it should work automagically unless it monitors the wrong channel | 19:09 |
| ochosi | hmmm | 19:12 |
| ochosi | brainwash_: if i patch this github version, what's easiest for you to update the PPA with? a git patch? or want me to push the cloned thing into a separate repo? | 19:13 |
| elfy | ochosi: is anything going to be happening with lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings in trusty - other than a ppa? | 19:13 |
| ochosi | elfy: there is already a request to get it uploaded, so it'll be installable | 19:14 |
| ochosi | but we didn't go for installing it by default in xubuntu | 19:14 |
| ochosi | it simply seemed too late in the cycle | 19:14 |
| elfy | ok - cool, it's the last ppa I have here | 19:14 |
| elfy | yep - understood :) | 19:14 |
| elfy | all these new -settings things - easy for me to confuse myself :p | 19:15 |
| brainwash_ | ochosi: git patch should be fine | 19:16 |
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| ochosi | elfy: yeah, agreed | 19:25 |
| ochosi | brainwash_: btw, it might be worth to wait for xfdesktop4.11.6 | 19:25 |
| brainwash_ | maybe | 19:27 |
| brainwash_ | but we need the wallpaper fix now | 19:27 |
| brainwash_ | otherwise people will start to whine | 19:27 |
| ochosi | no, we need it in the release | 19:27 |
| brainwash_ | rc | 19:27 |
| brainwash_ | is there a limit for uploads of the same package? :D | 19:29 |
| brainwash_ | maybe limited by noskcaj's nerves =S | 19:29 |
| ochosi | and by the sponsors' nerves/time | 19:30 |
| brainwash_ | it's always so stressful without an active uploader | 19:31 |
| elfy | it might possibly be better to not overdo the same package :p | 19:32 |
| ochosi | yeah, that's why i would avoid another scenario where we first upload git fixes/patches and a day later there's a proper release | 19:33 |
| brainwash_ | want to create a lp report? | 19:33 |
| ochosi | ok, so the monitoring in xfpm works | 19:33 |
| ochosi | just something in the setting of that xfconf property doesn't | 19:33 |
| brainwash_ | well, someone will create a report for the new wallpaper problem anyway | 19:34 |
| brainwash_ | ochosi: so it works now properly? | 19:34 |
| ochosi | 21:33 ochosi$ just something in the setting of that xfconf property doesn't | 19:34 |
| brainwash_ | ah, so no patch yet | 19:34 |
| brainwash_ | just observations :) | 19:35 |
| Noskcaj_ | brainwash_, Are there any particular fixes that need packaging currently? | 20:23 |
| brainwash_ | Noskcaj_: not yet I guess | 20:25 |
| Noskcaj_ | ok. I'll try and get that xfwm4 fix packaged sometime soon though | 20:26 |
| brainwash_ | but we got some patches | 20:26 |
| brainwash_ | well, it's not tested widely yet | 20:26 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj_: well unless you wanna potentially run into that xfdesktop scenario again... ;) | 20:26 |
| brainwash_ | also got a patch for bug 1271861 | 20:27 |
| ubottu | bug 1271861 in thunar (Ubuntu) ""Open with 'default app'" in right click context menu with wrong icon" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271861 | 20:27 |
| Noskcaj_ | ochosi, good point. I probably have to merge xfdesktop from debian too | 20:27 |
| brainwash_ | and lets not forget about abiword :) | 20:27 |
| Noskcaj_ | gulp | 20:28 |
| Noskcaj_ | That's the one i'm, worried about working on. | 20:28 |
| Unit193 | brainwash_: Did you test my garcon yet? | 20:29 |
| brainwash_ | ah, no | 20:29 |
| brainwash_ | did not activate the PPA yet | 20:29 |
| brainwash_ | but I've already added the classic app menu :) | 20:30 |
| brainwash_ | Unit193: do we have a lp report for this issue? | 20:31 |
| jhenke | good night folks | 20:32 |
| Unit193 | brainwash_: I use the classic menu as well, this fixes it. | 20:34 |
| ochosi | night jhenke | 20:34 |
| ochosi | Unit193: yeah, that one is a pretty obvious fix for a shortcoming in garcon | 20:35 |
| Unit193 | But testing before upload might be nice. | 20:35 |
| ochosi | sure | 20:35 |
| ochosi | didn't mean we shouldn't | 20:35 |
| ochosi | i guess that means i also should test that one | 20:35 |
| elfy | I'm all for not testing anything at all ever :p | 20:36 |
| ochosi | btw, does xfpm<->session sync work for anyone both ways and am i the only one it's only working one-way for? | 20:36 |
| ochosi | (just so that i know, cause the code seems fine from what i can tell and the signal gets caught when the property gets changed in session) | 20:36 |
| elfy | ochosi: I'll test it again now | 20:36 |
| ochosi | Unit193: could you link me to your ppa with garcon again? | 20:37 |
| Noskcaj_ | It seems there's duplication of settings from xfpm to light-locker-settings for when the monitor turns off | 20:40 |
| Noskcaj_ | This could be an issue | 20:40 |
| elfy | ochosi: if I set lock in power manager it syncs to adv in sessions, changing it then in sessions does NOT sync to power manager - unless I happen to have another instance of settings manager open | 20:40 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj_: this is what we're looking at. there are 3 settings that need to be kept in sync (xfpm, session and lls) | 20:40 |
| Noskcaj_ | That's a worry | 20:41 |
| ochosi | elfy: yup, that's what i'm seeing | 20:41 |
| elfy | ochosi: ok | 20:41 |
| ochosi | so that part where the setting gets applied needs a touch | 20:41 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj_: not really, we're working on it. bugs that are not being worked on are a worry ;) | 20:41 |
| Noskcaj_ | :) | 20:42 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: ppa:unit193/xfce | 20:50 |
| Unit193 | (That's also the one with xfwm though.) | 20:51 |
| ochosi | Unit193: yeah, just realized i had already added it :) | 20:53 |
| ochosi | anyhoo, as expected it works nicely | 20:53 |
| ochosi | haven't found any apps it doesn't work with | 20:54 |
| Unit193 | Worked for everything on me as well. | 20:54 |
| ochosi | brainwash_: thunar open-with patch seems to work | 20:57 |
| elfy | night all | 20:57 |
| Unit193 | Next time you see Noskcaj, you can ping him for the garcon upload. (My packaging while working is a bit fudged.) | 20:58 |
| brainwash_ | also shows the execute icon for executable files | 20:58 |
| ochosi | Unit193: do we have a bugreport for that and if so, is it linked to xubuntu-t-bugs? | 20:58 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Xfce bug. | 20:59 |
| ochosi | yeah, but we need a bugreport on lp too | 20:59 |
| ochosi | or at least i'd consider that more transparent | 21:00 |
| brainwash_ | maybe no one noticed yet, because we switched to whisker | 21:00 |
| ochosi | bbiab | 21:00 |
| Unit193 | brainwash_: Affects whisker too, IIRC. | 21:02 |
| brainwash_ | I doubt that | 21:02 |
| Unit193 | ochosi uses whisker, so I'd think he'd only see it if it's also in whisker. If whisker uses garcon, then yes, and it does build-dep on garcon... | 21:05 |
| brainwash_ | i did not notice any missing icons in whisker | 21:07 |
| brainwash_ | and I have tons of installed apps | 21:08 |
| ochosi | i think whisker uses its own way of gathering icons | 21:20 |
| ochosi | either that or it uses the old garcon way | 21:20 |
| ochosi | (which is still there) | 21:20 |
| Unit193 | Alright, I'm wrong, time to take me out back. :( | 21:21 |
| ochosi | either way, we should try to get the patch in trusty | 21:23 |
| ochosi | even if that means more delta | 21:23 |
| brainwash_ | it has to work properly | 21:24 |
| brainwash_ | so better fix it than listen to people's complains | 21:25 |
| brainwash_ | ochosi: btw enabling MONITOR_ROOT_PIXMAP did not seem to cause any trouble yet | 21:31 |
| brainwash_ | on a large scale :) | 21:32 |
| ochosi | how many testers do we have on that one? | 21:32 |
| ochosi | or is that already included as a patch? | 21:32 |
| brainwash_ | already included | 21:32 |
| brainwash_ | since 2014-03-09 | 21:32 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: And the problem I have still exists after disableing that (though may not be as bad.) | 21:33 |
| brainwash_ | well, not included, it's a compile flag | 21:33 |
| brainwash_ | Unit193: wait what? | 21:34 |
| brainwash_ | or are you talking about something else? | 21:34 |
| ochosi | pleia2: while you're around, if you happen to have some spare time/energy, feel free to look at the article on locking i wrote for xubuntu.org, just to see whether it's all understandable and makes sense | 21:54 |
| brainwash_ | Unit193: garcon patch works for me | 21:54 |
| pleia2 | ochosi: sneaky | 21:54 |
| pleia2 | ochosi: I can look in about an hour, just about to hop on a call | 21:54 |
| ochosi | pleia2: hehe. sure, there's absolutely no rush, you can also do this tomorrow or another day ;) | 21:55 |
| brainwash_ | where can I find the article? | 21:58 |
| Unit193 | brainwash_: I have problems with newer xfwm, disable the root pixmap and they are slightly less, but still there. | 22:04 |
| brainwash_ | less what? | 22:04 |
| brainwash_ | screen flicker? | 22:05 |
| brainwash_ | or artifacts | 22:05 |
| Unit193 | Slightly less apparent. | 22:05 |
| Unit193 | Right, well... | 22:05 |
| Unit193 | Artifacts, but more like puzzle pieces from previous screens. | 22:06 |
| ochosi | brainwash_: you need to be in the xubuntu web team or have access to the xubuntu.org website | 22:07 |
| ochosi | i guess i can send it to you plaintext though | 22:07 |
| brainwash_ | secret documents? :) | 22:08 |
| ochosi | nah, that's just the normal process, you write stuff up in wordpress | 22:08 |
| ochosi | then someone from the team reviews, then you hit publish | 22:08 |
| Unit193 | Did you "fix" all the comments I had on it? | 22:08 |
| ochosi | i think so, yes | 22:09 |
| brainwash_ | makes me wonder, why do we need such an article? | 22:09 |
| brainwash_ | I mean, do we have to explain something which does not work properly yet? | 22:11 |
| brainwash_ | or something which is not obvious | 22:11 |
| ochosi | brainwash_: ygm | 22:15 |
| brainwash_ | did you mail me a book? | 22:17 |
| brainwash_ | that's a long article | 22:17 |
| brainwash_ | but I like it so far | 22:18 |
| brainwash_ | people will start asking questions.. and now we can point them to this article | 22:19 |
| ochosi | that's the idea | 22:20 |
| brainwash_ | "our vision" :) | 22:25 |
| brainwash_ | but damn, this article is really too long | 22:26 |
| brainwash_ | most people on the internets won't read the whole thing :( | 22:26 |
| brainwash_ | but I like it, good job | 22:27 |
| ochosi | thanks | 22:27 |
| ochosi | not sure i care about whether ppl will read it fully when i post it | 22:27 |
| ochosi | but i wanna have a single page we can send ppl to | 22:27 |
| ochosi | and i expect this change to generate some attention/questions | 22:28 |
| brainwash_ | a lot | 22:29 |
| brainwash_ | any plans for a short article about the workspace switcher removal (default setup)? | 22:31 |
| ochosi | nope, feel free to write one | 22:46 |
| ochosi | what kind of stuff do we ship that still needs gst0.10? | 23:11 |
| ochosi | Unit193: wanna merge a few more xfwm4 branches in for your PPA? | 23:16 |
| ochosi | i'm specifically thinking of the headerbar patch | 23:16 |
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