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| belkinsa | pleia2 and GunnarHj, e-mail sent regarding the meetings. | 18:10 |
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| GunnarHj | belkinsa: Saw that. Excellent! | 18:10 |
| knome | belkinsa, thanks | 18:10 |
| belkinsa | Not a problem. | 18:10 |
| knome | belkinsa, can you elaborate on why you think we need a council, and what would it "guide" ? | 18:11 |
| GunnarHj | belkinsa: Same question here. :) What exactly do you mean by council? | 18:11 |
| belkinsa | Yeah, I had to leave and never finished that thought. What I meant by that was that if we had a council (like the Community) then maybe it would help us to get things done and maybe guide us by meetings and voting in those meetings. | 18:12 |
| knome | who would be in that council? | 18:13 |
| belkinsa | Ubuntu Members of this team, elected though. | 18:13 |
| belkinsa | I feel like there is no governing part of this team. | 18:13 |
| knome | how would anybody in that group suddenly dedicate more of their time if they were in a council? | 18:14 |
| pleia2 | oh no more coucncils please | 18:14 |
| belkinsa | Good point. | 18:14 |
| knome | pleia2, yeah, to me it looks like pleia2 would be one member in that, and possibly even the chair.. ;) | 18:15 |
| pleia2 | knome: you're so funny :) | 18:15 |
| belkinsa | and I see you a part of it too, knome. | 18:16 |
| knome | always! | 18:16 |
| knome | yeah, and i don't fancy that image... | 18:16 |
| GunnarHj | belkinsa: I think the need of some kind of firm leadership is greater in the sub teams - desktop, server, wiki... | 18:16 |
| knome | if we want to do something, that would be to try to clearly specify the different areas where work is needed | 18:16 |
| knome | and then try to describe those | 18:16 |
| knome | and as GunnarHj said, then try to get leadership to those | 18:17 |
| knome | it's easier to commit to leadership of just the wiki team than the whole ubuntu documentation team... | 18:17 |
| knome | or even a part of the wiki team; like the PopularPages project proves us | 18:17 |
| belkinsa | knome, that can work. And maybe is needed. | 18:17 |
| GunnarHj | belkinsa: In any case we have some things to talk about on those meetings. :) | 18:18 |
| belkinsa | yup | 18:18 |
| belkinsa | Maybe, like what whoever said about a Champion at the meeting, could be the chair for that part of the meeting if the meeting could be split in three sections and the items for each are sub-sections. | 18:20 |
| GunnarHj | belkinsa: Something worth considering. | 18:21 |
| belkinsa | Bah, it's time for me to go back home. At least you guys have food for thought from me. ;) | 18:21 |
| GunnarHj | belkinsa: Just a detail: We need those Champions first. :) | 18:21 |
| godbyk | pleia2, GunnarHj: I'm sorry I missed today's CC meeting. I had it on my calendar, but was looking at the wrong time zone. | 22:18 |
| pleia2 | hehe, oops | 22:19 |
| pleia2 | it went well anyway :) | 22:19 |
| godbyk | pleia2: I'm reading the logs now. | 22:21 |
| belkinsa | Indeed, it has and it gave me more ideas for the team. | 22:21 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: pleia2 summarized one of the things we talked about in the second para at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2014-April/018834.html | 22:22 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: plus regular meetings | 22:23 |
| belkinsa | And I think you should be the driver for the desktop docs. | 22:23 |
| belkinsa | Since you are very active in that part of the team. | 22:23 |
| godbyk | I think having regular meetings would be very helpful. | 22:23 |
| godbyk | The manual project has had cycles with and without regular meetings, and anecdotally, I think the cycles with regular meetings went smoother. | 22:23 |
| belkinsa | You know what's funny...I suggested that last year and no one wanted to do them. | 22:24 |
| godbyk | If nothing else, the meetings served as a reminder that there's work to do. :) | 22:24 |
| belkinsa | Yes, and I think that's the aim of them. | 22:24 |
| belkinsa | It works for Ubuntu Women and it should work here. | 22:24 |
| godbyk | It's a bit tricky to schedule them sometimes, given how we're spread across a bunch of time zones. | 22:25 |
| belkinsa | Right. | 22:25 |
| pleia2 | belkinsa: we've come a long way in this past year, it's nice that we can now focus on processes and things like meetings :) | 22:25 |
| godbyk | But I think monthly meetings are a good idea. Perhaps fortnightly meetings toward the end of the cycle, even. | 22:25 |
| pleia2 | back then it was all chaos | 22:25 |
| belkinsa | Ah, I see. | 22:26 |
| belkinsa | godbyk, sure that could work but for only desktop and server docs. | 22:26 |
| godbyk | belkinsa: Yeah, that's primarily what I had in mind. | 22:27 |
| godbyk | The wiki stuff is kind of an ongoing project. There are no hard deadlines to meet. | 22:27 |
| belkinsa | (would be nice) ;) | 22:27 |
| GunnarHj | belkinsa: I can give you some deadlines if you like. ;-) | 22:27 |
| pleia2 | we could create wiki-based projects for cleanup or topic improvements that have deadlines | 22:28 |
| pleia2 | might inspire folks to participate if there are clear goals for what needs attention | 22:28 |
| belkinsa | Yeah, that would be awesome. | 22:28 |
| belkinsa | to pleia2. | 22:28 |
| godbyk | pleia2: Yeah. | 22:28 |
| GunnarHj | :( | 22:28 |
| godbyk | And having wiki jams would work well, too, I think. | 22:28 |
| godbyk | If someone organized a list of, say, frequently visited pages that needed to be cleaned up or updated. A list of things for people to work on. | 22:28 |
| belkinsa | I tryed for this cycle but I forgot to put down the date. | 22:29 |
| belkinsa | Of the Global Jam. | 22:29 |
| belkinsa | godbyk, that can work and with popularpages it's possible. | 22:29 |
| godbyk | Oh, while a few of you are here, would anyone like to help moderate the ubuntu-docs mailing list? | 22:30 |
| godbyk | We get a handful of messages each day that land in the moderation queue. | 22:30 |
| belkinsa | Sure. | 22:30 |
| godbyk | Most of them are spam. | 22:30 |
| godbyk | But a few are ones from people who just aren't subscribed to the list. | 22:30 |
| godbyk | (We've had a few more of these recently for FFe and UIFe requests.) | 22:30 |
| belkinsa | I saw. | 22:30 |
| godbyk | belkinsa: Thanks. I'll get you added to the moderators list then. | 22:31 |
| belkinsa | From the ones that were filtered through. | 22:31 |
| pleia2 | and you can create "jams" that are unrelated to the "global jam" - the global jam is a specific event in the cycle (and comes kind of late for most of our docs aside from wiki) | 22:31 |
| belkinsa | Thanks. | 22:31 |
| pleia2 | tends to be one locos participate in and stuff | 22:31 |
| godbyk | pleia2: (Everything comes late in the cycle with regard to docs. ;-)) | 22:31 |
| belkinsa | Yeah, that was the plan and I think the Global Jam got me thinking the other way. | 22:31 |
| pleia2 | godbyk: indeed! | 22:31 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: How about simply rejecting messages from non-subscribed posters with an explanation and basically drop moderation? | 22:31 |
| belkinsa | Maybe a Global Doc Jam that is mid cycle? | 22:31 |
| godbyk | GunnarHj: I'm not sure what our options are. I haven't looked too closely yet. | 22:32 |
| godbyk | GunnarHj: But at the moment, I don't want to miss any freeze exception requests. | 22:32 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: It's a Mailman list, right? | 22:32 |
| godbyk | GunnarHj: It's something we can consider after this cycle is finished, though. | 22:32 |
| godbyk | GunnarHj: Yeah. | 22:32 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: If you are an admin, and not just a moderator, you have access to change it. | 22:33 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: But it's a policy thing also, of course. | 22:33 |
| godbyk | GunnarHj: Something to consider, however, is that we don't want to make it so onerous for people to submit their freeze exception requests that they avoid doing it. | 22:33 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: Maybe open at freeze time and otherwise closed? | 22:34 |
| pleia2 | belkinsa: calling it "global" confuses it with the loco team-focused event, I'd just say it's a "Docs Jam" | 22:34 |
| belkinsa | Okak. | 22:34 |
| godbyk | GunnarHj: That's a good options, too. | 22:34 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: I mean, in general it's reasonable to require that you are subscribed to a list you post to. | 22:35 |
| pleia2 | I tend to let stuff go to the moderation queue and just deal with the spam, it's not that much work (and I admin a lot of lists) | 22:35 |
| pleia2 | people often get confused about subscriptions and things, just give up if they get a reject notice (even one explaining how to subscribe) | 22:36 |
| godbyk | pleia2: And the spam I've seen so far has been quite easy to recognize, so it's not too onerous. | 22:36 |
| pleia2 | godbyk: yeah, I have to look at a message about 5% of the time, the rest are obvious | 22:36 |
| GunnarHj | Ok, I'll keep my mouth shut then. I'm not volunteering, though. ;-) | 22:37 |
| pleia2 | GunnarHj: hehe | 22:37 |
| pleia2 | GunnarHj: you do make good points, I just don't mind making godbyk do more work ;) | 22:37 |
| godbyk | pleia2: Ha! | 22:37 |
| pleia2 | and with that, back to work for me! | 22:38 |
| belkinsa | Just a wonder: do we have enough active members to have two drivers in each sub-team? | 22:38 |
| godbyk | pleia2: Thanks, pleia2. | 22:39 |
| godbyk | belkinsa: We might barely have enough. :) | 22:39 |
| GunnarHj | belkinsa: Do we have enough active members to have *one* driver in each? | 22:39 |
| belkinsa | Good point. We have for server and maybe for wiki. | 22:40 |
| GunnarHj | server=dsmythies and wiki=belkinsa ? | 22:40 |
| belkinsa | Yup. | 22:41 |
| belkinsa | If no one has a problem with me being the wiki diver. | 22:41 |
| belkinsa | driver* | 22:41 |
| godbyk | Normally, I'd volunteer to help with the desktop docs, but I'm a bit swamped at the moment. | 22:41 |
| belkinsa | I see. | 22:41 |
| belkinsa | Hey, shaunm. How busy are you? | 22:41 |
| GunnarHj | I'm kind of fed up with Ubuntu stuff at the moment, so I would not like to enter that role either, at least not right now. | 22:42 |
| GunnarHj | belkinsa: Btw, I think you'll be an excellent wiki driver. ;-) | 22:43 |
| belkinsa | Anyways, I think we should start the monthly meetings next month if possible. | 22:52 |
| GunnarHj | belkinsa: Sounds good to me. With those we can live with the desktop driver role being vacant, especially in the beginning of the cycle. | 22:54 |
| belkinsa | Oh, you think it's a good idea to add the contact info to the drivers on the Contact Us page? | 22:58 |
| GunnarHj | Absolutely. | 22:58 |
| GunnarHj | belkinsa: I saw this page accidentally the other day: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams | 23:00 |
| belkinsa | And? | 23:00 |
| GunnarHj | belkinsa: Most teams have a "leader" - the docs team does not. | 23:00 |
| belkinsa | I know. I stated that out when I joined the team. | 23:01 |
| GunnarHj | belkinsa: Possibly we should add a reference there to the page where the sub group drivers are listed? | 23:01 |
| belkinsa | Sure. | 23:01 |
| GunnarHj | Going to bed now. See you all. | 23:03 |
| belkinsa | See ya. | 23:03 |
| belkinsa | Should we have a driver for the manual? | 23:23 |
| pleia2 | we should ask them :) | 23:24 |
| belkinsa | Sure. | 23:24 |
| belkinsa | On it. | 23:25 |
| belkinsa | Sub-team contact info added to this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contact and added this to the teams page also. | 23:27 |
| pleia2 | are drivers really contacts? I'd much rather have folks still use the mailing list for most stuff and drivers just nudge things along | 23:28 |
| belkinsa | Oh. Good point. | 23:28 |
| pleia2 | it's fine if the drivers want to be listed as contacts, but I hadn't made the assumption | 23:28 |
| belkinsa | No, I did and I shouldn't of done that | 23:28 |
| pleia2 | no it's fine, just want to make sure we're all on the same page :) | 23:29 |
| belkinsa | I removed the e-mail and IRC nick. | 23:29 |
| belkinsa | And is this in the right place on the page? | 23:30 |
| pleia2 | seems fine, we might want to formulate what we want a driver to do exactly | 23:32 |
| belkinsa | Okay. | 23:32 |
| pleia2 | I can respond on list about it, just wrapping up some work things | 23:33 |
| belkinsa | Sure. | 23:33 |
| belkinsa | I added a bit on what one is. | 23:37 |
| belkinsa | pleia2, on the team page, there is a reference to the Wiki team. Should that be removed since it's now a sub-team of this team? | 23:52 |
| pleia2 | belkinsa: they've always been a subteam of this team | 23:53 |
| pleia2 | I think it's still appropriate as is | 23:53 |
| belkinsa | Okay. | 23:53 |
| belkinsa | Should the other two be added to that list then? | 23:54 |
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