[02:14] <diddledan> *yawn*
[02:15] <daftykins> yeah it's about that time
[03:55] <jussi> and Im awake already :/
[03:55] <jussi> 0655 WHYYYYY!!!????
[04:00] <nigelb> jussi: that's late
[04:00] <nigelb> also, good morning.
[04:00] <jussi> nigelb: moaning...
[04:00] <nigelb> jussi: TMI...
[04:00] <jussi> hah!
[04:00] <nigelb> :D
[05:02] <diddledan> do the hippy shake!
[06:13] <mapps> sheesh
[06:15] <mapps> lent someone £200 and now hes begging he hadnt borowed it
[06:15] <mapps> ffs
[06:15] <mapps> he borowed it in a vasino
[06:18] <jussi> mapps: was he drunk?
[06:36] <mapps> yea
[06:36] <mapps> hate lending people money
[06:36] <mapps> still could be worse
[06:37] <MartijnVdS> mapps: become a bank, get rich off it :P
[06:37] <mapps> heh
[06:38] <mapps> i was just worrying about getting anothe drink
[06:38] <mapps> got work at 4pm ..7am now
[06:38] <MartijnVdS> don't get another drink if you're worrying :)
[06:38]  * mapps has drink problem
[06:38] <mapps> heh
[06:39] <MartijnVdS> mapps: realizing that is the first step :)
[06:39] <mapps> yea well
[06:39] <mapps> ive done that like 2000x
[07:22] <smittix> Morning people
[07:26] <bashrc> morning
[08:11] <Myrtti> http://www.interactivezoo.eu/index.php?id=3 - have a look at the "Pesa kaamera"
[08:16] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Find a Rainbow Day! :-D
[08:21]  * DJones hums the tune for "Up above the streets and houses"
[08:22] <foobarry> anyone tried using copy.com yet with the linux cilent, or thinking of getting an account?
[08:23] <foobarry> PM me if you do. you get extra 5gb witha referral link
[08:40] <jussi> bah... daily google gripe coming up...
[08:41] <jussi> why is it impossible to sign one user out, instead of all of them when you use multiuser... grrr
[08:51] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:05] <diddledan> *yawwn*
[09:09] <bigcalm> Can one tell these Cisco phones about NTP?
[09:09] <bigcalm> The thought of changing the time on it twice a year seems odd to me
[09:16] <directhex> NTP isn't the issue, TZ is the issue
[09:16] <directhex> NTP gives time in UTC
[09:17] <bigcalm> Good point
[09:17] <bigcalm> With both NTP and proper TZ info, I wouldn't have to set the time at all!
[09:17] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> moo!
[09:17] <directhex> the point is the phone needs to change TZ from GMT to GMT+1 and back again on specific dates
[09:18] <directhex> so i made our polycoms do it rece ntly, but i don't know the syntax for cisco
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> change the config, make all phones reboot, done :P
[09:19] <directhex> it's 15 config settings on the polycoms
[09:19] <directhex>         tcpIpApp.sntp.daylightSavings.start.dayOfWeek="1"
[09:19] <directhex> etc
[09:23] <bigcalm> If I had multiple desk phones to manage, then I'd invest time in making it happen. But as we have 1 desk phone per remote worker (3), not that fussed :)
[09:23] <bigcalm> It's nice that they have a web interface
[09:24] <bigcalm> My only grumble is that it takes up a fair patch of space of my desk
[09:30] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:05] <diddledan> the old ones are the best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac7G7xOG2Ag
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: http://www.reddit.com/r/VXJunkies
[10:08] <bigcalm> diddledan: wow :)
[10:11] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:14] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:14] <bigcalm> Poor Ron
[10:16] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: I was just getting myself together to knock off and head up when hid email arrived didn't seem much point then :(
[11:18] <diplo> Hope someone can help me whilst I google at the same time
[11:18] <diplo> We have a lot of customers hosting email on mini itx boxes, I've resolved a few issues but as they are hosted on Business DSL lines we are getting marked as spam I expect because of no Reverse DNS
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> likely
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> or bad reverse dns
[11:19] <diplo> As far as I am aware, I can contact the ISP to get tha tresolved as it's a business line
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> owner of the IP block, but yes, most likely the isp
[11:20] <diplo> So I get a received from domain.co.uk ( xx-xx-xx-dsl.in-addr.xxx.co.uk )
[11:20] <diplo> I'm guessing the DSL shuld return domain.co.uk or should it return mail.domain.co.uk ?
[11:20] <diplo> That's the bit I'm not clear on
[11:20] <diplo> Only mail hosted on these boxes
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> diplo: the reverse should match the forward
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> diplo: so if they're named mail.domain.co.uk, make that the reverse
[11:23] <diddledan> diplo: AFAICR the reverse dns for your IP should be the hostname of the box (as MartijnVdS says it needs to be matched with a forward record) which should also match what the smtp server says when it says EHLO
[11:23] <diplo> Ah ok great thanks
[11:23] <diplo> Just found the ISP's support site at last which allows me to do it via their portal it seems
[11:26] <diplo> Hmm my issue is the linux box that sends these mails uses the mailserver SMTP but seems to have the HELO record from the linux box that is using that SMTP
[11:26] <diplo> I think I need to play mroe
[11:26] <diplo> :)
[11:47] <diplo> Bah whatever I do it sends the HELO from the server I'm sending the mail from and not the SMTP server
[12:46] <diddledan> I think chocolate is required
[12:47] <daftykins> :D
[12:47] <daftykins> that's a permanent one imo
[12:47] <diddledan> yeah, I could easily agree with that
[12:50] <foobarry> eats chocolate orange and celebrations
[12:51] <daftykins> :O share :(
[12:51] <daftykins> actually don't share, i definitely wouldn't :D
[12:51] <foobarry> minstrels too
[12:54] <daftykins> :O
[12:54] <daftykins> diddledan: i'll distract him, you go for the goods...
[14:31] <bigcalm> Anybody here using a Cisco 303 desk phone?
[14:36] <daftykins> DJones: i like to think you pulled up in a car with flashing lights when you said 'stop' in #ubuntu :D
[14:36] <DJones> Heh
[14:38] <DJones> The phone rang so I couldn't continue with it
[14:39] <daftykins> :)
[14:55] <mapps> ah well
[14:56] <mapps> friend lost 900 quid last night
[14:56] <mapps> was almost in tears!
[14:56] <mapps> every time we go out he barely leaves the blackjack table
[14:57] <dwatkins> so it wasn't lost so much as gambled away?
[14:57] <mapps> yep
[14:58] <mapps> begged me to borrow 250 blows it
[14:58] <dwatkins> still gutting, but not "it fell down a drain"
[14:58] <mapps> withdraw 400 more then more at other casino
[14:58] <mapps> everytime he does this barely leaves table
[14:58]  * bigcalm shudders at gambling
[14:58] <mapps> i have to mither him to get him to leave
[14:58] <dwatkins> likewise, bigcalm
[14:58] <dwatkins> I prefer to spend my money on shiny tech
[14:59] <mapps> i spent years gambling
[14:59] <dwatkins> also, I'm really good at getting addicted to things
[14:59] <mapps> and yea..didnt realy do me any favours
[14:59] <dwatkins> my current addiction is "solving problems", which fits in quite well with my job
[14:59] <mapps> its a horrid feeling worrying about a 50 quid bill
[14:59] <mapps> when you just blew thousands
[14:59] <mapps> so stupid
[14:59] <dwatkins> it makes all kinds of conversations difficult, though - I'm terrible at consoling people, I just want to fix their problems
[15:05] <daftykins> you won't catch me even buying a lottery ticket
[15:07] <dwatkins> same here
[15:07] <dwatkins> I know the odds.
[15:08] <dwatkins> Someone I know occasionally wins a tenner on the lottery, I just think of how much money he spends on tickets each year.
[15:09] <bigcalm> Only place I might win money is on my NS&I bonds
[15:10] <bigcalm> Either way, not losing money is the best feeling
[15:16] <Laney> premium bonds?
[15:21] <bigcalm> Yus
[15:21] <bigcalm> I have £30k of them. Will find out at the beginning of May if I've 'won' any money
[15:22] <Laney> you need to win ${inflation}% to not lose :P
[15:22] <bigcalm> Yep
[15:23] <Laney> to be fair my savings accounts barely manage that
[15:23] <Laney> but at least you know what you're getting
[15:23] <bigcalm> Indeed, same for us
[15:23] <bigcalm> This way it's a bit of fun at the same time
[15:23] <Laney> I cashed out my bonds because they got me naff all over 5 years
[15:23] <Laney> wasn't worth the gamble
[15:23] <Laney> didn't have 30k though, so not as much chance of getting lucky
[15:23] <bigcalm> The money is in there ready for a mortgage deposit. This way we have a bit of fun in winning money
[15:24] <bigcalm> We don't know when we'll need the mortgage deposit. But if it's soon, then they would have made bugger all interest in a normal savings account
[15:25] <bigcalm> This way, there is a slight chance of winning £1m without losing anything
[15:25] <dwatkins> you can take the money out at any time?
[15:25] <bigcalm> Yes
[15:25] <dwatkins> awesome
[15:25] <bigcalm> But it has to be in for a full calendar month to be entered into the prise draw
[15:26] <bigcalm> £30k is the maximum. So we have other money in normal ISA account
[15:29] <dwatkins> hmmm, I need to know my account number to register
[15:29]  * dwatkins e-mails a parent
[15:30] <dwatkins> I had £100 in bonds many moons ago, perhaps there's still some paperwork in a drawer somewhere
[15:30] <bigcalm> Registering for online account management means printing off a form and posting it to Glasgow!
[15:31] <bigcalm> 7 day turn around on getting my login details
[15:31] <bigcalm> Same turn around for a change of address. Though to a different address
[15:31] <dwatkins> I can walk there quicker than that.
[15:57] <ali1234> premium bonds used to be better than most savings accounts if you had the maximum amount (which just increased in the budget btw)
[15:58] <bigcalm> Oh?
[15:58]  * bigcalm goes to look
[15:58] <ali1234> if you calculate the probability i mean, you used to get something like 5%
[15:58] <ali1234> you need a lot to avoid variance though
[15:59] <bigcalm> Website still says the maximum investment is £30k
[15:59] <ali1234> i'm 75% sure they increased it in the budget though it might not have come in to effect yet
[15:59] <popey> yeah, my dad had the max
[15:59]  * bigcalm does more googling
[15:59] <popey> was quite a tidy amount now and then in his retirement
[15:59] <ali1234> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/savings/10708444/Budget-2014-NSandI-Premium-Bonds-limit-to-hit-50000-with-new-1m-prize.html
[16:00] <bigcalm> http://www.nsandi.com/chancellor-announces-plans-nsi-2014-budget
[16:01] <bigcalm> Wah, long way off
[16:01] <ali1234> ISA limits have also been increased
[16:01] <ali1234> or will be
[16:02] <bigcalm> We're hoping that our house buying chain picks up speed and we'll be using our mortgage deposit sooner rather than later
[16:02] <ali1234> you can get instant cash ISAs... they're not great though
[16:02] <bigcalm> That said, it would still be nice to win something before we need to withdraw
[16:03] <bigcalm> Yeah, we already have 2
[16:03] <ali1234> i wish they'd outlawed the "no transfers" thing, it's really annoying
[17:03] <MooDoo> evening all
[17:19] <popey> Hello MooDoo !
[18:12] <SuperEngineer> well, that's my Ubuntu 1 take take complete... thanks U1 - I'll miss you.
[18:12] <SuperEngineer> *take down
[18:13] <SuperEngineer> [though still wondering whether to delete purchased music on site... nah... can't be bothered... have fun listening guys and gals ;)l;kjll
[18:16] <SuperEngineer> It helped being on leave, gave me the time to check & retrieve/delete -nice timing if they had to it i suppose.
[18:19] <SuperEngineer> so now the choice... dropbox [recently hacked], spideroak [hmmm] others [no experience]...
[18:19] <SuperEngineer> USB stick... weee my files are mine!
[18:20] <SuperEngineer> But *will* miss the music store :(
[18:20] <diddledan> ok, I have several computers. I want to maintain a list of known security issues related to any or all of them and have the ability to mark each system as patched individually as I get the job done. so it's a bi-directional list - each system is listed separately and each patch is listed separately and I want to mark each patch against each system depending on whether it's relevant, fixed, or still todo
[18:21] <diddledan> the best I can come up with is creating a spreadsheet
[18:21] <diddledan> does anyone know of a "better way"?
[18:21] <SuperEngineer> diddledan: post-its?
[18:21] <diddledan> hell no
[18:21] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[18:22] <SuperEngineer> [I have seen that done before - i gasped]
[18:23] <popey> i use syncthing and dropbox
[18:24] <popey> https://owncloud.com/blog/canonical-ubuntu-one-users-come-check-owncloud
[18:24] <popey> ☻
[18:24] <diddledan> I've got owncloud running here, now, too
[18:27]  * SuperEngineer hunts for old spreadsheet where this was carried out for over 50 machinesat a financial institution.... 
[18:29] <SuperEngineer> darn - professionalism & integretity is somtimes annoying - not found - assumed deleted [or MIA if you prefer]
[19:05] <webpigeon> Ubuntu one is getting eaten by the mists of time?
[19:15] <bashrc> nomnomnom
[19:20] <popey> ttp://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2014/04/03/s07e01-the-one-with-the-cat/
[19:20] <popey> dammit
[19:20] <popey> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2014/04/03/s07e01-the-one-with-the-cat/
[19:23] <bigcalm> Studio L?
[19:25] <popey> I know, right!?
[19:25] <popey> we have so many studios!
[19:25] <bigcalm> What do you do with them all?
[19:26] <diddledan> russian pocast roulette
[19:26] <diddledan> podcast*
[19:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: it's the same studio the Letter is just the dimension it is in
[19:27] <bigcalm> Library space eh?
[20:13] <bigcalm> Right, lets try and get eth working on this laptop
[20:18] <daftykins> \o/
[20:21] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7200377
[20:26] <bigcalm> Humf, it works now
[20:26] <bigcalm> I wonder if a new driver was added to the kernel
[20:28] <bigcalm> Right, lets try and get this switch working
[20:29] <diddledan> I wonder what the other endpoint on pci address 3:00 is in addition to your realtek network
[20:30] <diddledan> specifically 3:00.0 where your ethernet is 3:00.1
[20:46] <daftykins> diddledan: perhaps some kind of intermediary PCI-E chip 0o
[20:53] <bigcalm> !ding
[20:53] <daftykins> wouldn't really make sense for a NIC chip to be non-native PCI-E by this time though eh 0o
[20:53] <bigcalm> Oh good, it is working :)
[20:53] <daftykins> just upgraded to the land of gigabit is it, bigcalm ?
[20:54] <bigcalm> Sadly no
[20:54] <diddledan> no giganuts?
[20:54] <bigcalm> Just swapped out my router hub for a router switch
[20:54] <diddledan> o_O
[20:54] <bigcalm> Now have 8 ports for all my things instead of the 4 on the router hub
[20:56] <bigcalm> Gone from Netgear WNDR3700v2 -> Netgear ProSafe Gigabit 8 Port VPN Firewall FVS318N
[20:56] <daftykins> o rly
[20:56] <daftykins> did you have DD/open-wrt on the former?
[20:57] <bigcalm> open-wrt, yes
[20:57] <bigcalm> I had that router because it has a USB port and I can share my phone's 3g connection via it to the LAN
[20:57] <bigcalm> But I need more ethernet ports
[20:58] <diddledan> moar ethernets
[20:58] <daftykins> i'd have just got a switch ;)
[20:58] <daftykins> as it is i go from a consumer router to a switch to cover all my gear \o/
[20:58] <diddledan> less wallwarts!
[20:59] <daftykins> guess so
[20:59] <bigcalm> daftykins: the latter is a switch
[20:59] <daftykins> oh right so you have done
[20:59] <bigcalm> With lots of lovely routing and a rather slow web interface
[20:59] <daftykins> haha
[20:59] <diddledan> I have a decided lack of power sockets and I believe some of the occupied holes are faking it
[21:00] <daftykins> i seem to have new neighbours now, not that they've introduced themselves. must check the wifi airways to see if they're encroaching on my channels D:
[21:00] <diddledan> gerroff my airwaves!
[21:00] <bigcalm> Looking at the "Known PCs and Devices" connected to the switch, there are 2 devices connected that I don't know what they are
[21:00] <bigcalm> Which is confusing
[21:01] <diddledan> lol
[21:01] <diddledan> I love that
[21:01] <daftykins> bigcalm: nmap's your friend
[21:01]  * bigcalm goes to find out what the IP address of his wife's tablet is
[21:01] <daftykins> two cheeky little dual-channel devices around here
[21:02] <diddledan> I have currently reporting around 20-22 active IP addresses on my lans
[21:02] <diddledan> that includes VMs tho
[21:02] <daftykins> :)
[21:02] <diddledan> and mobiles
[21:04] <daftykins> friends used to remark on how everything in my places talked to one another, heh
[21:04] <daftykins> now pretty much everyone can do it
[21:04] <diddledan> the internet of things hasn't happened yet for me though
[21:05] <daftykins> no?
[21:05] <MooDoo> evening
[21:05] <daftykins> what exactly defines the borderline?
[21:05] <daftykins> heya
[21:06] <diddledan> I need IP ceiling lamps
[21:07] <diddledan> when my illumination can perform a DoS on a government website then I'll accept that I've reached nirvana
[21:08] <bigcalm> I've just seen a 3rd unknown device connect to the router
[21:08] <bigcalm> Then the front door opened as my wife came home
[21:08] <bigcalm> It'll be her phone :)
[21:08] <diddledan> lol, advanced notice
[21:09] <daftykins> hahaha
[21:09] <daftykins> tracking enabled
[21:09] <bigcalm> This device is so bloody slow
[21:09] <daftykins> is nobody as power-paranoid as i, turning wifi off when away from networks i trust?
[21:09] <bigcalm> Argh
[21:09] <daftykins> firmware update?
[21:10] <bigcalm> Not of its own accord
[21:10] <daftykins> nah i do it all manually
[21:10] <daftykins> or do you mean auto firmware update?
[21:11] <bigcalm> Oh, you're suggesting I should do a firmware update?
[21:11] <daftykins> if one's available
[21:11] <daftykins> with worthwhile features
[21:11] <diddledan> which device?
[21:11] <daftykins> there's no network device really, that i don't update prior to even configuring once
[21:12] <diddledan> oh the router
[21:12] <daftykins> tends to be turn on, update, factory reset, configure
[22:40] <bigcalm> !ding
[22:40] <bigcalm> I am here again :)
[22:40] <daftykins> D:
[22:40] <bigcalm> Updated the firmware. Routing stopped happening
[22:41] <daftykins> ooh-err
[22:41] <daftykins> i claim zero responsibility!
[22:41] <bigcalm> Not sure what I've done to get it working. Might have been a case of waiting long enough for things to calm down
[22:41] <daftykins> defaults changed i guess?
[22:41] <bigcalm> It kept my settings prior to the firmware update
[22:43] <daftykins> odd
[22:52] <bigcalm> !ping
[22:52] <bigcalm> Still here :)
[22:53] <bigcalm> My laptop will no longer connect to the wifi
[22:55] <bigcalm> Going to risk it and go to bed
[22:55] <bigcalm> Toodles
[22:59] <popey> ☻
[23:00] <popey> \o/