| bluesabre | +1 | 00:14 |
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| jjfrv8 | ochosi, I took a look at your light locker article | 00:23 |
| jjfrv8 | the virtual terminal paragraph was over my head but otherwise I found it very understandable | 00:23 |
| jjfrv8 | it helped me understand a lot of the discussion about it that has gone on here | 00:24 |
| ochosi | happy to hear | 00:24 |
| jjfrv8 | I did make a couple of minor suggestions and submitted them for review | 00:24 |
| ochosi | to the article? | 00:25 |
| jjfrv8 | yes | 00:25 |
| jjfrv8 | I'm not sure if I did it right | 00:26 |
| ochosi | not sure either | 00:26 |
| ochosi | i for one didn't know you could add suggestions and reviews in wordpress | 00:26 |
| ochosi | to me it looks like you still have that page locked for editing | 00:27 |
| jjfrv8 | just logged out | 00:27 |
| ochosi | i guess i gotta look at the history of the article to see your suggestions/changes | 00:29 |
| jjfrv8 | yeah, if you browse Revisions, it looks like my edits are showing as the current revision | 00:31 |
| ochosi | well, yeah, cause there is no review function in wordpress | 00:31 |
| ochosi | putting the status to "pending review" is misleading | 00:32 |
| ochosi | hence i changed that | 00:32 |
| jjfrv8 | I took a chance and hit the 'Submit for review' button. Didn't know what that would do but figured you could repair the damage :) | 00:33 |
| ochosi | sure, np | 00:33 |
| ochosi | you're a native speaker, aren't you? | 00:34 |
| jjfrv8 | yes | 00:34 |
| ochosi | well nvm, it's still "its", not "it's" | 00:34 |
| ochosi | because it's possessive, not short for "it is" | 00:35 |
| ochosi | and afaik you can use integrate with "into" | 00:36 |
| ochosi | or we say "integrated in gnome shell" | 00:36 |
| jjfrv8 | sure | 00:37 |
| ochosi | oh right, then WP was showing that messed up | 00:38 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: I'd like the patch that magically turns header bars into normal menus. :P | 00:41 |
| Unit193 | I can update from Xfwm master, sure. | 00:41 |
| ochosi | yeah, but that was a bit hacky iirc | 00:43 |
| ochosi | headerbars patch hasn't been merged yet, just fyi | 00:44 |
| Unit193 | ...I think I'd prefer hacky to headerbars... | 00:44 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: How would file-roller be changed with it? | 00:45 |
| ochosi | fileroller doesn't have a headerbar | 00:45 |
| ochosi | it uses the normal window-decoration | 00:46 |
| ochosi | it uses gnome's appmenu | 00:46 |
| ochosi | which is a different thing | 00:46 |
| Unit193 | No, but it does have weird menus. | 00:46 |
| ochosi | i know | 00:46 |
| ochosi | we should report a bug... | 00:46 |
| Unit193 | OK, is there anything that does have them? | 00:46 |
| ochosi | gthumb | 00:49 |
| ochosi | you'll see window-deco packed in window-deco | 00:49 |
| ochosi | looks awesome | 00:49 |
| Unit193 | Not installed. \o/ | 00:56 |
| Unit193 | So, I suppose if it's a clean patch, sure. | 00:56 |
| GridCube | :D | 03:35 |
| pleia2 | ochosi: it's a good post, I might convert some of the ()s to , though (I am also guilty of parathetical abuse, so I am aware ..see?) | 04:03 |
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| jhenke | goooood morning | 06:20 |
| elfy | ochosi knome - got a this re the ibus issue " it's on my list for some time but I can't promise anything right now, as some other stuff is filling all my time with higher priority..." | 09:41 |
| ochosi | humm | 09:43 |
| ochosi | that's not very comforting news | 09:44 |
| knome | no, not really, but we should push it, because it's most probably a regression they introduced | 09:45 |
| jhenke | how about removing ibus for the moment? (RC is in one week!) | 09:49 |
| jhenke | I guess adding it back later is easier than a last minute removal | 09:49 |
| ochosi | yeah, i'd like to hear that suggestion from someone who really knows about the common use-cases/scenarios for ibus | 09:50 |
| ochosi | we might upset a lot of ppl by just dropping it – or not | 09:51 |
| ochosi | it seems to be a bit of a black box until now | 09:51 |
| jhenke | hmm, is shipping a broken feature worse than not shipping it? | 09:53 |
| ochosi | it's just broken by default, it's repairable by users from what i heard | 09:53 |
| jhenke | at least for me (german keyboard) the current bahviour is clearly a serious problem | 09:53 |
| jhenke | yes, but it gives a very bad first impression | 09:54 |
| jhenke | and I am not sure if the avarage users wants to dig into this | 09:54 |
| ochosi | i'm personally in favor of dropping ibus, but i'd like someone with more xp on the issue (than me) to give an educated opinion that we can follow | 09:54 |
| jhenke | well surly somebody longer than me here takes teh decision anyway | 09:55 |
| jhenke | just pointing out that the broken by default is in my eyes the worst possible state | 09:55 |
| jhenke | better to not ship it and have people install it themselves if needed | 09:56 |
| ochosi | i agree, the problem that i see is that many of us have spent lots of time and energy this cycle and are slowly burning up a bit | 09:56 |
| ochosi | so if you wanna take care of that issue, try to find someone proficient in ibus (e.g. the bug assignee) and get an opinion/explanation from him | 09:56 |
| ochosi | present it to us in some way and help us to take a decision | 09:56 |
| brainwash | ochosi: do we plan to add ali1234's title-less window decoration patch? | 09:58 |
| jhenke | I think elfy has better connection with the people for that | 09:58 |
| brainwash | you don't need any connections | 09:59 |
| ochosi | brainwash: if you're referring to the headerbar patch for xfwm4, then i don't think that has received enough testing (which is why i asked Unit193 to put it in his PPA so more people get to it) | 09:59 |
| brainwash | ochosi: see my PPA :) | 09:59 |
| brainwash | https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test | 10:00 |
| ochosi | jhenke: yup, brainwash is right. you mostly need time/patience and a friendly attitude (bearing in mind that most ppl are doing this for free in their free time) | 10:00 |
| brainwash | ochosi: tested with gthumb and it works | 10:00 |
| jhenke | ochosi: that was clear already | 10:00 |
| jhenke | ;) | 10:01 |
| jhenke | still already knowing the people can be an asset | 10:01 |
| ochosi | yeah, but time and patience trumps that | 10:01 |
| ochosi | because that's how you get to know ppl | 10:01 |
| ochosi | anyway, no harm in asking others in here for help | 10:01 |
| ochosi | brainwash: good to hear, why not send calls for testing to the ML for stuff in your PPA? | 10:02 |
| brainwash | maybe | 10:02 |
| brainwash | a bug report would be helpful also | 10:02 |
| ochosi | yup | 10:02 |
| ochosi | and we'd need to add some more support for this in our themes | 10:03 |
| brainwash | really? | 10:03 |
| ochosi | iirc you can define additional tiles/pixmaps for the top border in headerbars | 10:03 |
| ochosi | yeah, otherwise it'll look slightly out of place | 10:03 |
| brainwash | any example app? | 10:03 |
| ochosi | anyway, i don't consider this branch critical for 14.04 because ubuntu-desktop folks patched away the headerbars in most apps | 10:03 |
| ochosi | from the screenshots ali1234 showed, this was general behavior | 10:04 |
| ochosi | just to get the same roundness/kerning in headerbar as in xfwm4 | 10:04 |
| brainwash | tested gthumb with numix.. it was 95% black | 10:04 |
| ochosi | feel free to show me a screener of gthumb with that | 10:04 |
| ochosi | yeah, i only saw greybird/orion so far | 10:04 |
| bluesabre | meeting today? | 10:59 |
| guywithaquestion | Hello, when I started 14.04 this morning the volume indicator was missing | 11:21 |
| brainwash | guywithaquestion: can you please check settings manager > session and startup > autostart applications | 12:02 |
| brainwash | and see if indicator sound is enabled | 12:03 |
| guywithaquestion | brainwash: It was unchecked, what would make it so and can I start it without relogging? | 12:04 |
| brainwash | guywithaquestion: try the command "exo-open /etc/xdg/autostart/indicator-sound.desktop" | 12:08 |
| brainwash | but the entry shouldn't be unchecked in the first place | 12:08 |
| brainwash | I can confirm that it is (new user account) | 12:08 |
| guywithaquestion | brainwash: Okay, I re-checked it on mine. Starting the indicator gives some errors (like asking for gmusicbrowser.desktop) and sone dbus error | 12:09 |
| brainwash | guywithaquestion: but the indicator is now visible, right? | 12:14 |
| ochosi | hm, same here (sound-indicator gone after some updates) | 12:14 |
| guywithaquestion | brainwash: yeah | 12:14 |
| guywithaquestion | I'm lenny from yesterday by the way. Apparently it auto-changed to this | 12:15 |
| brainwash | do you want to file a bug report? | 12:16 |
| elfy | ochosi knome - I've approaced infinity and jibel in -release about this ibus thing - see if they can point us somewhere, but as it stands, knowing the little I do - I'm with ochosi in removing it | 12:18 |
| ochosi | (eh, no, i just realized that might be because i reset the session xfconf channel when doing some tests) | 12:18 |
| elfy | jhenke: no - not really I don't | 12:18 |
| ochosi | elfy: we could at least disable it by default (if that is easily doable) | 12:18 |
| elfy | yea | 12:19 |
| elfy | if nothing get's done it time I guess we could turn it back on for .1 | 12:19 |
| ochosi | well, or whenever it works again.. | 12:20 |
| elfy | and yes - I've lost the volume indicator as well | 12:20 |
| ochosi | oh ok | 12:20 |
| ochosi | it really got disabled in autotstart | 12:20 |
| elfy | ochosi: yea - I kind of assume that it'll get sorted soon | 12:20 |
| elfy | I've never seen in it autostart | 12:20 |
| elfy | s/it in | 12:20 |
| ochosi | it | 12:20 |
| ochosi | 's been there since they switched to upstart jobs to start indicators | 12:21 |
| elfy | mmm - well I never noticed it when I Was having issues, perhaps because it wasn't a clean install | 12:21 |
| brainwash | they changed the autostart launcher | 12:22 |
| ochosi | how exactly? | 12:22 |
| ochosi | OnlyShowIn=Unity? :) | 12:22 |
| brainwash | -NotShowIn=Unity; | 12:22 |
| brainwash | +OnlyShowIn=Unity;XFCE;GNOME; | 12:22 |
| brainwash | +AutostartCondition=GNOME3 unless-session gnome | 12:23 |
| brainwash | mmh | 12:23 |
| ochosi | so i guess that autostartcondition is what's messed up | 12:23 |
| brainwash | delete it and test :) | 12:24 |
| ochosi | are you telling me to test something instead of doing that yourself? | 12:24 |
| elfy | I couldn't even find the autostart launcher to delete it ... | 12:25 |
| ochosi | bbl | 12:26 |
| elfy | I'm not even here | 12:26 |
| brainwash | ochosi: yeah, because I cannot right now | 12:28 |
| brainwash | that's strange, the launcher located in /usr/share/upstart/xdg/autostart seems to override the normal launcher | 12:38 |
| brainwash | and that launcher specifies to be hidden | 12:39 |
| bluesabre | activate it in session startup settings, and see which config is copied maybe? | 12:43 |
| brainwash | already tested | 12:46 |
| brainwash | I've changed the upstart launcher directly | 12:47 |
| bluesabre | did you change AutostartCondition? | 12:48 |
| brainwash | no, I removed the line "hidden=true" | 12:48 |
| brainwash | which unchecks the launcher | 12:48 |
| bluesabre | ah | 12:49 |
| bluesabre | seems like a silly setting to enable | 12:49 |
| brainwash | maybe it's not for the unity session | 12:49 |
| bluesabre | does that affect all flavors, including ubuntu? | 12:49 |
| brainwash | don't know | 12:50 |
| brainwash | all flavors? it's unity or xfce | 12:50 |
| bluesabre | ah | 12:50 |
| bluesabre | so, the two most important flavors ;) | 12:51 |
| brainwash | ah, changing the profile picture prompts me to enter my password | 12:52 |
| bluesabre | odd | 12:52 |
| brainwash | I guess any changes does | 12:52 |
| brainwash | maybe even when not changing anything at all? :D | 12:52 |
| bluesabre | it should just be first name, last name, office, home phones | 12:52 |
| brainwash | I'll test that | 12:52 |
| bluesabre | feel free to investigate and see what I messed up | 12:53 |
| brainwash | yep, opened the app and hit apply -> password prompt | 12:53 |
| bluesabre | I'll be offline until meeting time today | 12:53 |
| bluesabre | lovely | 12:54 |
| brainwash | not a big deal | 12:54 |
| brainwash | usually one does not change user details every day | 12:54 |
| bluesabre | yeah, it works correctly for me | 12:55 |
| bluesabre | how did you run/install it? | 12:55 |
| brainwash | settings manager and mugshot trunk | 12:56 |
| bluesabre | mugshot trunk, how did you install it? | 12:57 |
| brainwash | my ppa, daily recipe | 12:57 |
| brainwash | I'll install it manually from trunk | 12:58 |
| bluesabre | also try running from a terminal | 12:59 |
| bluesabre | mugshot -vv to get an idea of whats up | 12:59 |
| bluesabre | I'll be back later | 12:59 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: mmh, works fine now | 13:02 |
| brainwash | maybe my ppa one was outdated | 13:03 |
| lenny | Okay, I rebooted with indicator sound checked in the settings. It doesn't seem to have started though. | 13:18 |
| lenny | ** (process:2076): WARNING **: media-player-list-mpris.vala:66: unable to find application 'gmusicbrowser.desktop' | 13:19 |
| lenny | ** (process:2076): CRITICAL **: volume_control_set_volume_internal: assertion '_tmp1_ == PA_CONTEXT_READY' failed | 13:19 |
| lenny | (process:2076): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed | 13:19 |
| brainwash | lenny: works for me | 13:37 |
| lenny | could it be because I uninstalled gmusicbrowser? it seems like it's only a warning in those error messages | 13:38 |
| brainwash | that's only a warning, right | 13:39 |
| brainwash | but the 2nd line isn't | 13:39 |
| brainwash | did you disable pulseaudio? | 13:39 |
| lenny | no | 13:39 |
| brainwash | can you launch the indicator manually? | 13:39 |
| lenny | no | 13:40 |
| brainwash | didn't you say that the indicator was visible after starting it manually? | 13:40 |
| lenny | yes, it worked before rebooting | 13:41 |
| lenny | (and upgrading) | 13:41 |
| brainwash | oh | 13:41 |
| brainwash | any indicator related upgrades? | 13:41 |
| brainwash | or pulseaudio | 13:41 |
| lenny | there were loads of upgrades, I didn't check carefully :/ | 13:42 |
| brainwash | mmh, I suggest that we bother the guys in #ubuntu-desktop | 13:43 |
| brainwash | especially tedg | 13:43 |
| lenny | that discussion went way above my head | 14:02 |
| brainwash | :D | 14:02 |
| brainwash | right, bad luck I guess | 14:03 |
| lenny | I don't see how it could be an upstart issue if I'm manually launching it with exo-open~ and it fails though | 14:03 |
| brainwash | those are two different issues I think | 14:03 |
| brainwash | it did work for you before the reboot | 14:03 |
| brainwash | so technically it should work always | 14:04 |
| brainwash | unless something changed again | 14:04 |
| lenny | yeah, I just did the update which made your desktop background go white | 14:04 |
| lenny | by just I mean before i rebooted | 14:04 |
| brainwash | this one is already fixed upstream, but it will take some time until the fix lands in 14.04 | 14:05 |
| brainwash | sadly | 14:05 |
| brainwash | so enjoy your white background :) | 14:05 |
| lenny | My background came back after rebooting :p | 14:05 |
| brainwash | it should | 14:06 |
| lenny | it even made a quick appearance as it was shutting down :p | 14:06 |
| brainwash | so the problem with the disabled sound indicator is now, that we (xubuntu) need to fix it | 14:09 |
| brainwash | so that the user does not have to enable it manually | 14:09 |
| brainwash | but like you've already mentioned, maybe there is something else broken now too :D | 14:10 |
| lenny | yes, it's very reminiscent of the old release ;) | 14:10 |
| lenny | The sound indicator only appeared after editing some file | 14:11 |
| brainwash | indeed | 14:12 |
| elfy | bluesabre: when I checked this ubuntu was not affected | 14:13 |
| GridCube | :) hey elfy i did the upgrade yesterday | 14:15 |
| GridCube | it worked alright | 14:15 |
| GridCube | P: theming was broken but thats not something new, i had my panels and things modified so i selected the greybird themes again, should i report that as a bug? | 14:16 |
| GridCube | "theme is not selected after upgrade"? | 14:16 |
| elfy | thanks GridCube :) | 14:17 |
| GridCube | i noticed something today that i havent had the time to check tho. i woke up the computer today and it was on "suspension" state, you know when the drives and the monitor is shut down, not just locked like it was using xscreensaver, i knew it would change to lighlocker so that was not so surprising, but it going to full suspension was, so i wanted to set it up to never do that again and i could not log into the powermanager settings 'cos | 14:20 |
| GridCube | it said those services where not running | 14:20 |
| GridCube | i will check again when i get home again and can test the computer, but i wanted to warn you about this, other thing was that it took a whole lot of time to log out, and when i clicked the shutdown icon again it told me something similar, that the shutdown service was not available or something like that, but then it went and log off, so i assume it was just taking its time to do so | 14:21 |
| elfy | sorry GridCube was afk | 14:45 |
| GridCube | dont worry :) | 14:45 |
| elfy | ok - read that now - no-one else has reported anything like that yet | 14:46 |
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| Justanick | Is there a point, that xfce4-mixer has not been installed? LTS upgrade | 15:45 |
| ochosi | xfce4-mixer doesn't work with pulseaudio | 15:46 |
| ochosi | so it was replaced by pavucontrol (althouh i thought 12.04 also had pavucontrol) | 15:46 |
| Justanick | Does this also offer an applet? | 15:49 |
| ochosi | no, we use the sound indicator | 15:52 |
| Justanick | Okay. Thanks, it seems to work. | 16:03 |
| Justanick | If I remove the xfce4-mixer package, also the option to add the volume control applet seems to be removed. | 16:05 |
| GridCube | Justanick, the sound indicator is integrated to pluging indicators addon | 16:16 |
| Justanick | GridCube: The neweset version is installed. | 16:28 |
| GridCube | then the sound indicator should be there. | 16:29 |
| Justanick | Should. ;) | 16:30 |
| elfy | GridCube: there is a bug | 16:31 |
| Justanick | Any useful thing I can do? | 16:33 |
| GridCube | oh | 16:33 |
| elfy | Justanick: in what regard? | 16:35 |
| Justanick | Do you need any information added to the bug? Or is it known and just waiting for a fix? | 16:36 |
| elfy | no sure tbh - I only skimmed the backlog here | 16:36 |
| Justanick | Okay | 16:38 |
| Justanick | Thanks so far | 16:44 |
| elfy | GridCube: you need to turn sound indicator on in session - autostart it appears | 16:45 |
| ochosi | elfy: btw, happyaron (= aron xu) is OL right now, in case you have time/energy to chat him up about ibus (sry, gotta run again) | 16:47 |
| knome | i pinged him in PM and asked to join this channel | 16:49 |
| knome | so we have some public logs | 16:49 |
| slickymasterWork | knome: Not 100% sure I'll be able to be around for the meeting | 16:58 |
| knome | ok | 16:58 |
| knome | i guess it doesn't matter too much | 16:59 |
| knome | not much people have been around lately, | 16:59 |
| knome | there isn't anything to vote on | 16:59 |
| knome | there aren't issues where we need a biggish proportion of the team around | 16:59 |
| knome | just bugfixes and status updates | 16:59 |
| ochosi | yup | 16:59 |
| slickymasterWork | unfortunately I have a work meeting in about 10 minutes and don't know how long is going to take | 17:00 |
| slickymasterWork | I'll catch up on the logs, when I'll get home | 17:00 |
| slickymasterWork | bbl -> | 17:00 |
| brainwash | what do the lubuntu guys say about the ibus problem? | 17:08 |
| elfy | well the mail I sent to the list was roundly ignored - gilir is aware I mailed him | 17:08 |
| elfy | and I think the only report of it on their tracker is the one I did when I checked to see if it affected them | 17:09 |
| brainwash | oh :) | 17:10 |
| elfy | yea - oh ... | 17:13 |
| brainwash | at least it works fine in unity :D | 17:14 |
| brainwash | maybe the unity session just tells ibus to shut up | 17:15 |
| knome | meeting in 50mins... and again, anybody fancy chairing the meeting? | 18:10 |
| ochosi | i actually have to take off in 5mins :/ | 18:11 |
| knome | that's fine... | 18:11 |
| knome | the meeting we will have today also looks like an easy one to chair | 18:11 |
| ochosi | yeah | 18:12 |
| ochosi | not too many goings on | 18:12 |
| jhenke | offical xubuntu team meeting? | 18:17 |
| knome | yes, at 19UTC | 18:17 |
| elfy | jhenke: it will be | 18:17 |
| elfy | knome: I can't drive the bot nor the agenda and have a bone in my leg | 18:18 |
| knome | i have several bones in both of my legs - what's so special about that? ;P | 18:18 |
| elfy | you're not a parent then ... | 18:19 |
| jhenke | free to join for everybody, respective can everybody speak there? | 18:19 |
| elfy | THAT is the excuse for not doing things - remember it :) | 18:19 |
| knome | jhenke, absolutely | 18:19 |
| knome | jhenke, the "official" name of the meeting is "xubuntu community meeting" | 18:19 |
| knome | jhenke, only voting on some specific issues is restricted for the team, and that's always explicitly mentioned | 18:19 |
| jhenke | I see, proably still most of the attendes are those who also normally contribute? | 18:20 |
| knome | pretty much so | 18:20 |
| jhenke | in #ubuntu-meeting? | 18:20 |
| knome | no, on this channel | 18:20 |
| jhenke | okay | 18:20 |
| elfy | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 18:20 |
| knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings for the agenda and other info | 18:20 |
| elfy | ha ha | 18:21 |
| knome | elfy, congrats ;) | 18:21 |
| elfy | super speedy elfy | 18:21 |
| jhenke | thanks guys, good to get the info redundand ;) | 18:23 |
| Unit193 | Wow, this looks to be a loooong meeting. :P | 18:28 |
| elfy | brainwash: was just about to do that :p | 18:38 |
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| Unit193 | === Xubuntu community meeting in 6 minutes, at #xubuntu-devel === | 18:54 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 18:59 |
| elfy | tea's cold brb | 19:00 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 19:00 |
| pleia2 | #startmeeting | 19:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Apr 3 19:00:26 2014 UTC. The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 19:00 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 19:00 |
| pleia2 | Our last meeting info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive/Minutes/2014-03-27 | 19:01 |
| knome | pleia2, <3 | 19:01 |
| pleia2 | #topic #Team Updates | 19:01 |
| pleia2 | #topic Team Updates | 19:01 |
| pleia2 | (we'll talk about the ibus thing later) | 19:02 |
| pleia2 | any updates? | 19:02 |
| knome | i don't have much updates | 19:02 |
| knome | #info Wallpaper is still waiting for an upload | 19:02 |
| pleia2 | #info ochosi drafted post about screen locker | 19:02 |
| pleia2 | those with access, review would be appreciated :) | 19:02 |
| knome | #info knome has worked on the website code a bit and planning to land a new revision to production before release | 19:03 |
| knome | i've reviewed that article once, can do again when/if more changes are introduced | 19:03 |
| elfy | #info [xubuntu-qa] Image testing 64bit - 2 | 19:03 |
| elfy | #info [xubuntu-qa] Upgrade testing 32bit - 5 total incl 3 LTS to LTS | 19:03 |
| elfy | #info [xubuntu-qa] Upgrade testing 64bit - 7 total incl 5 LTS to LTS | 19:03 |
| elfy | #info [xubuntu-qa] Repeating upgrade test call - including -users | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | \o/ | 19:03 |
| knome | cool, better than i thought ;) | 19:03 |
| knome | but still room for improvement | 19:03 |
| elfy | pleia2: I looked too - did as I promised ochosi and added a bit re screensaver and ligtlocker | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | elfy: oh good, those were good additions | 19:04 |
| elfy | knome: yea - as I said I'll call again and include -users this time | 19:04 |
| pleia2 | any other updates? | 19:04 |
| knome | well, people have worked on bugs | 19:04 |
| knome | i can't see much other news really | 19:05 |
| * pleia2 nods | 19:05 | |
| bluesabre | o/ | 19:05 |
| pleia2 | #topic IBus issue update | 19:05 |
| knome | hey bluesabre | 19:05 |
| bluesabre | hey everyone | 19:05 |
| pleia2 | I chatted with knome and elfy about this this morning, elfy is following up with a couple folks dholbach recommended talking to | 19:05 |
| pleia2 | welcome bluesabre | 19:05 |
| bluesabre | I'm partially here :) | 19:06 |
| knome | bluesabre, tell us some tips to being in multiple places at once after the meeting please ;) | 19:06 |
| elfy | currently talking to seb bacher | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | elfy: yay! | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1284635 | 19:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1284635 in ibus (Ubuntu Trusty) "Keyboard layout changes after login" [High,Confirmed] | 19:07 |
| elfy | seb128> elfy, I guess if I say 'patches are welcome' it doesn't help you? | 19:07 |
| jhenke | is there a realistic chance the issue get fixed before april 17th? | 19:07 |
| pleia2 | the bug in question, which pretty much broke on all the flavors | 19:07 |
| knome | except kubuntu ;) | 19:07 |
| knome | jhenke, it's really hard to assess that, depends how seriously canonical employees are taking the issue (and the policy to have to fix what you broke, even if it doesn't affect you) | 19:08 |
| jhenke | knome okay, but I guess that is the core question about the issue | 19:09 |
| Unit193 | Could just drop it like a hot potato. | 19:09 |
| knome | we can avoid the issue by not seeding ibus by default, but that might make some other people less happy | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | what is it needed for? | 19:10 |
| jhenke | I think some languages, especially asian ones, need it to write their letters | 19:10 |
| jhenke | e.g. chinese letters, but also vietnamse can be written by it | 19:11 |
| pleia2 | ah, yeah that's important | 19:11 |
| jhenke | as those languages do not nessesary have all their letters mapped to keybard keys | 19:11 |
| pleia2 | the rest of the Ubuntu CC will help nudge this along if elfy hits a wall | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | anything else on this topic? | 19:12 |
| jhenke | well it seriously breaks xubuntu on default for everybody | 19:13 |
| jhenke | but I guess that is known... | 19:13 |
| * jhenke hides | 19:13 | |
| pleia2 | indeed, it's bad | 19:15 |
| elfy | can those with access - give the QA recap blog article a once over - it's done - except for last minute number crunching | 19:15 |
| pleia2 | elfy: can they revert the patch that broke it and make them come up with another solution? :) | 19:15 |
| bluesabre | elfy: I'll try to take a look tonight | 19:15 |
| elfy | cheers | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | thanks for chasing this down, elfy | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | #topic Other business | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | anything else? | 19:17 |
| brainwash | they also changed indicator-sound, so it's now unchecked in autostart applications and the user needs to enable it, otherwise it won't launch automatically on session start | 19:17 |
| elfy | we might return to it shortly ... | 19:17 |
| pleia2 | "they"? | 19:17 |
| brainwash | indicator devs | 19:18 |
| brainwash | ubuntu guys | 19:18 |
| brainwash | "they" | 19:18 |
| knome | why? | 19:18 |
| brainwash | I don't know | 19:18 |
| bluesabre | definitely not to troll us... | 19:18 |
| pleia2 | lol | 19:18 |
| bluesabre | but since xfce and unity are the only ones that use indicator-sound... it seems odd | 19:18 |
| bluesabre | (to my understanding) | 19:19 |
| brainwash | we should either stop using the upstart user session or use upstart to launch the indicator stack | 19:19 |
| * Unit193 is still confused as to why we use the upstart user session. | 19:20 | |
| brainwash | or blacklist the upstart launcher for indicator-sound | 19:20 |
| brainwash | it's complicated | 19:20 |
| brainwash | Unit193: because we did not tell them, that we don't want to use it | 19:21 |
| Unit193 | brainwash: And the benefit of using it is? To restart things if they crash? | 19:21 |
| brainwash | user upstart job management | 19:22 |
| brainwash | not sure if xubuntu/xfce actually benefits from it | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | anything else we need to talk about? | 19:25 |
| pleia2 | ok, thanks everyone | 19:26 |
| bluesabre | quick q | 19:26 |
| pleia2 | sure | 19:26 |
| bluesabre | has anybody made progress on the ubiquity wallpaper? I think its assigned to xnox, right? | 19:27 |
| bluesabre | or has that already been discussed? :) | 19:27 |
| brainwash | ochosi has added a comment to the bug report | 19:27 |
| elfy | bug number ? | 19:27 |
| brainwash | bug 1284910 | 19:28 |
| ubottu | bug 1284910 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu Beta 1 and Beta 2 installer has debian background wallpaper" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1284910 | 19:28 |
| lenny | critical? :P | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | it does look pretty bad | 19:29 |
| bluesabre | we're quite partial to our wallpapers :) | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | not thrilled with so obviously shipping debian branding in xubuntu either | 19:29 |
| Unit193 | Debian wallpaper doesn't really bother me, kind of funny. | 19:30 |
| lenny | dpkg -l | grep debian | 19:30 |
| lenny | ii debianutils 4.4 amd64 Miscellaneous utilities specific to Debian | 19:30 |
| lenny | ii gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3:amd64 0.10.23.debian-3 amd64 Fluendo mp3 decoder GStreamer 0.10 plugin | 19:30 |
| lenny | ii gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3:amd64 0.10.23.debian-3 amd64 Fluendo mp3 decoder GStreamer 1.0 plugin | 19:30 |
| elfy | is the installed wallpaper issue effectively the same one ? | 19:30 |
| lenny | ii intltool-debian 0.35.0+20060710.1 all Help i18n of RFC822 compliant config files | 19:30 |
| pleia2 | I love debian, but we aren't debian, it is bad for both of us | 19:30 |
| lenny | ii libcdparanoia0:amd64 3.10.2+debian-11 amd64 audio extraction tool for sampling CDs (library) | 19:30 |
| lenny | ii libgdome2-0 0.8.1+debian-6 amd64 DOM level2 library for accessing XML files | 19:30 |
| lenny | ii libparse-debianchangelog-perl 1.2.0-1ubuntu1 all parse Debian changelogs and output them in other formats | 19:30 |
| lenny | ii libparted0debian1:amd64 2.3-18 amd64 disk partition manipulator - shared library | 19:30 |
| lenny | ii libsdl1.2debian:amd64 1.2.15-8ubuntu1 amd64 Simple DirectMedia Layer | 19:30 |
| elfy | lenny: did you really have to do that :| | 19:30 |
| lenny | ii python-debian 0.1.21+nmu2ubuntu2 all Python modules to work with Debian-related data formats | 19:30 |
| pleia2 | lenny: please stop | 19:30 |
| lenny | sorry, didn't mean to do all in seperate | 19:31 |
| pleia2 | that's not "obvious" | 19:31 |
| pleia2 | a big wallpaper in our installer is | 19:31 |
| lenny | yeah, I guess | 19:31 |
| jhenke | lenny we all know that there are plenty of packets with debian references, not the poin here | 19:31 |
| bluesabre | first impressions are important | 19:32 |
| * pleia2 nods | 19:32 | |
| Unit193 | Sadly, yes, yes they are. | 19:32 |
| bluesabre | ok, well I don't have anything else to add | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | ok, thanks everyone | 19:33 |
| knome | thanks pleia2 | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | #endmeeting | 19:33 |
| knome | next meeting? | 19:33 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Apr 3 19:33:29 2014 UTC. | 19:33 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-04-03-19.00.moin.txt | 19:33 |
| knome | :P | 19:33 |
| elfy | thanks pleia2 | 19:33 |
| bluesabre | thanks pleia2 | 19:33 |
| bluesabre | bbl | 19:33 |
| jhenke | thanks pleia2 | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | knome: sorry :) | 19:34 |
| pleia2 | next week? | 19:34 |
| pleia2 | I won't be around :P | 19:34 |
| * pleia2 pycon | 19:34 | |
| bluesabre | jealous | 19:34 |
| bluesabre | :) | 19:34 |
| pleia2 | I'm excited, it'll be my first time | 19:35 |
| Noskcaj_ | I can't attend meetings till the end of the year now. Daylight savings time is gone | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | even if I have to do booth duty :) | 19:35 |
| jhenke | I think next week is the RC date? | 19:36 |
| brainwash | just a note: please the stuff from https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test | 19:36 |
| brainwash | various fixes for different apps | 19:36 |
| Justanick | Is there a browsable list of known bugs/not well working xubuntu functions? | 19:36 |
| brainwash | Justanick: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-bugs | 19:37 |
| knome | elfy, want to run the same test i'm doing? | 19:44 |
| elfy | I can certainly try :) | 19:44 |
| knome | i'll start with zsyncing the latest iso | 19:45 |
| Justanick | Against which package has it to be fill, if the "Aero snapping" of the xfce4-terminal is not working as expected? | 19:45 |
| elfy | if I can work out which ones to grab ... | 19:45 |
| brainwash | Justanick: not as expected? | 19:46 |
| knome | you either want *amd64* or *i386* | 19:46 |
| knome | you can probably guess which you want :P | 19:46 |
| elfy | from the ftp page? | 19:47 |
| ali1234 | xfce4-terminal doesn't always play nice with snapping because it can only be resized in increments of 1 character | 19:47 |
| knome | elfy, yep | 19:47 |
| ali1234 | that can cause anything that tries to rezie windows to blow up | 19:47 |
| elfy | knome: this package?gir1.2-ibus-1.0_1.5.5-1_amd64.deb | 19:47 |
| knome | and everything else with amd64 | 19:47 |
| knome | hmm, wait | 19:48 |
| elfy | ok | 19:48 |
| Unit193 | elfy: dpkg -l | grep 1.5.5-1ubuntu3 and replace all those with debian versions, generally. | 19:48 |
| elfy | okey doke | 19:48 |
| knome | well there you go. | 19:48 |
| Justanick | brainwash: If I let snap it to the right or left side of the desktop, there is left free space at the bottom. | 19:48 |
| elfy | :) | 19:48 |
| elfy | got it installing now | 19:48 |
| Justanick | ali1234: That may be the point. | 19:48 |
| Unit193 | The binary packages are listed at the bottom left of: http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/ibus.html | 19:48 |
| brainwash | Justanick: so it is working as intended :) | 19:49 |
| elfy | Unit193: aah yes - thanks | 19:49 |
| Justanick | Yes. | 19:49 |
| Unit193 | Sure. | 19:49 |
| brainwash | ali1234: I've subscribed you to the xfwm4 bug report :P | 19:49 |
| ali1234 | if it's on launchpad then i'm already subscribed | 19:50 |
| brainwash | ok :) | 19:50 |
| ali1234 | btw regarding titleless window, the screenshots i posted were all numix | 19:53 |
| ali1234 | https://plus.google.com/117474986382867317779/posts/QMZj3cUP6fT | 19:54 |
| Unit193 | ali1234: How hackish was the patch that forces old menus? | 19:57 |
| ali1234 | you mean headeraway? | 19:57 |
| ali1234 | incredibly hackish | 19:57 |
| Unit193 | Darn. | 19:57 |
| ali1234 | gtk developers would probably burn me if they caught me | 19:58 |
| * Unit193 doesn't care about GTK devs, they're all mental anyway. | 19:58 | |
| ali1234 | https://github.com/ali1234/headeraway/blob/master/preload.c | 19:58 |
| elfy | said the kettle ... | 19:58 |
| ali1234 | it's a preload library... dynamically patches gtk at runtime | 19:58 |
| ali1234 | you call header_bar_new and it gives you back a gtk_box collection instead | 19:59 |
| ali1234 | in a sense it is not more hackish than the way ubuntu menuproxy works :) | 20:00 |
| Unit193 | Doesn't sound too bad, if more than gthumb needed it I'd use it (once I figured out how. :P ) | 20:00 |
| ali1234 | you compile it into a .so using the makefile then you do LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/library.so gthumb | 20:01 |
| ali1234 | or if you are totally crazy put the variable into your environment | 20:02 |
| Unit193 | Thanks, this sounds like fun. :D | 20:04 |
| elfy | knome: well - I did that - get the same problem :( | 20:12 |
| elfy | so I wonder why, if debian are using xfce as default that it's not shown up there | 20:12 |
| elfy | knome: possibly it is https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=734985 | 20:15 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 734985 in ibus "[ibus] ibus does not respect /etc/default/keyboard XKBOPTIONS" [Normal,Open] | 20:15 |
| knome | the reporter has older ibus versions though | 20:16 |
| elfy | yea - but it's definitely the same issue | 20:16 |
| elfy | and the link to the debian forum - guy is using xfce | 20:18 |
| knome | hmh, not sure | 20:20 |
| knome | xkboptions seems to be irrelevant to kb layout | 20:20 |
| elfy | yep - so no further forward really | 20:21 |
| knome | nope | 20:21 |
| knome | expect you are able to reproduce with debian packages in ubuntu | 20:21 |
| elfy | did you get them to install at all | 20:21 |
| knome | i haven't got so far | 20:21 |
| elfy | yes - same issue with debian packages in todays daily | 20:21 |
| knome | i guess the next thing is install and boot debian | 20:22 |
| knome | and see if you have a similar problem | 20:22 |
| knome | though i guess the installation process is different | 20:22 |
| knome | might still be worth checking | 20:22 |
| elfy | not a problem - I can do that | 20:23 |
| Unit193 | Other than the fact I have no idea what the problem is, I do have a Debian VM. | 20:23 |
| elfy | testing or stable | 20:23 |
| Unit193 | Erm, testing or unstable. | 20:23 |
| elfy | Unit193: ok - we're trying to see if the same error is there as here for bug 1284635 | 20:24 |
| ubottu | bug 1284635 in ibus (Ubuntu Trusty) "Keyboard layout changes after login" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1284635 | 20:24 |
| Unit193 | elfy: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2536196/debian7testing.ova.gz | 20:26 |
| elfy | what's that? | 20:26 |
| elfy | 3Gb file ... | 20:26 |
| Unit193 | Debian testing, already setup with Xfce and stuff. US defaults though. | 20:26 |
| elfy | yea - I want to install it with a UK keyboard layout | 20:27 |
| elfy | thanks :) | 20:27 |
| jhenke | good night folks | 20:28 |
| elfy | night jhenke | 20:29 |
| Unit193 | Installing ibus now, already have the system set to en_GB. | 20:30 |
| elfy | ta | 20:32 |
| Unit193 | Hah, "Wastebasket" :P | 20:34 |
| elfy | :D | 20:34 |
| ali1234 | "Rubbish Bin" | 20:34 |
| elfy | ali1234: in Places I see Wastebasket, in Thunar Rubbish Bin | 20:35 |
| ali1234 | if you are using en_GB and you see "Wastebasket" it's a bug | 20:35 |
| ali1234 | places plugin has this bug | 20:35 |
| elfy | I have that bug | 20:35 |
| elfy | Unit193: so? if kbd layout is UK what happens on the desktop - sets to US? | 20:42 |
| Unit193 | (I had to remove ibus again, to see what keys might be different and if I actually hit the bug or have no idea what I'm doing/know what keys are supposed to be different. :P ) | 20:44 |
| Unit193 | Yeah, ibus screwed up # | 20:45 |
| elfy | this is not what we wanted ;) | 20:46 |
| Unit193 | Indeed not, would have been nicer if it was an Ubuntu bug. | 20:47 |
| Justanick | With the last updates for a few minutes the wallpaper has been reset with a grey colour. | 20:47 |
| Unit193 | ^ | 20:47 |
| elfy | Justanick: yes - known issue | 20:48 |
| Unit193 | Justanick: Open terminal: killall xfdesktop and it's fixed. | 20:48 |
| elfy | bug 1302101 | 20:48 |
| ubottu | bug 1302101 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "Desktop background turns to a dirty white color after switching theme" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1302101 | 20:48 |
| elfy | Unit193: yep - would have been better for us | 20:48 |
| Unit193 | elfy: You want to tell seb or confirm? | 20:49 |
| Justanick | Okay | 20:50 |
| elfy | confirming | 20:52 |
| elfy | at a guess I still think it is that bug I found on debian ^^ | 20:53 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Or, that it doesn't honor the file /etc/default/keyboard at all. | 20:56 |
| brainwash | wow, a "new" hint :) | 20:56 |
| elfy | no idea - as knome said that doesn't appear to do much | 20:56 |
| brainwash | we need to fix this stupid thing | 20:56 |
| brainwash | ibus exit | 20:57 |
| elfy | that's not what knome said ... | 20:57 |
| knome | :P | 20:57 |
| elfy | the bug is about xkboptions - this issue appears to be about xkblayout | 20:57 |
| Unit193 | elfy: I was pointing at the file, not the specific line. :D | 20:58 |
| elfy | bah | 20:58 |
| elfy | so I have no idea what I set the password too lol | 20:58 |
| knome | hah | 20:58 |
| Unit193 | wheresmybloomintea | 20:59 |
| elfy | lol | 20:59 |
| elfy | and the keyboard isn't working at all in vbox debian recovery mode ... | 21:01 |
| elfy | too late for mucking about - reinstall it with password of sodthis | 21:02 |
| elfy | ok | 21:16 |
| elfy | knome: so installed debian - and # is # and in the right place when I have logged in | 21:17 |
| elfy | but I bet that's the older ibus | 21:17 |
| elfy | sigh - said it was too late :( | 21:18 |
| elfy | really didn't want to have to do a long winded install ... | 21:19 |
| knome | hm? | 21:19 |
| elfy | that was time well saved :| | 21:20 |
| elfy | installing testing now | 21:22 |
| elfy | knome: so - assuming that once I've got this installed and confirm the issue is there - a) tell seb b) we'll need to decide what we do | 21:33 |
| knome | we could/should ask the debian maintainers if they have time to look at it | 21:33 |
| elfy | until I know for sure the issue exists there it's all guesswork - but given that debian ship with xfce as default I don't understand what they're not seeing the issue | 21:35 |
| knome | mh | 21:35 |
| ochosi | does debian install/use ibus by default? | 21:36 |
| elfy | I can't answer that ochosi | 21:36 |
| ochosi | just infering that this could be why nobody else has noticed | 21:37 |
| ochosi | i also don't have any clue how ibus is configured by default | 21:37 |
| ochosi | and whether we should pro-actively do something about that | 21:38 |
| knome | i'm off for tonight, see you all later | 21:48 |
| knome | elfy, let's be in touch tomorrow | 21:48 |
| elfy | ok | 21:48 |
| elfy | working till 12UTC - will post in here later though | 21:49 |
| elfy | knome: ok so - debian testing does not use ibus by default | 22:21 |
| elfy | install ibus into it and then # becomes \ | 22:21 |
| ochosi | huh | 22:21 |
| ochosi | well that's good to know | 22:21 |
| elfy | yep | 22:21 |
| elfy | ochosi: that was were seb left us - checking to see what the state of it in debian was - whether it was an ubuntu change that was the issue - which it seems to not be, the chances of getting it looked at now are pretty slim I think | 22:23 |
| ochosi | yup | 22:23 |
| ochosi | i read the backlog | 22:23 |
| ochosi | so the course is clear then | 22:23 |
| ochosi | either remove it or find a way to disable it by default | 22:23 |
| elfy | yep - seems to be | 22:23 |
| ochosi | and blog about how ppl who need it can get it back | 22:23 |
| * ochosi shrugs | 22:23 | |
| elfy | yea | 22:23 |
| elfy | it's a known issue - so it will be on there | 22:24 |
| ochosi | now we only need to find a dev/uploader to execute those changes for us | 22:24 |
| elfy | yea ... | 22:24 |
| elfy | can dholbach do that? | 22:24 |
| ochosi | i already told knome, but from tomorrow onwards i won't be around much until the release | 22:24 |
| ochosi | he can, but he needs at least a MR | 22:24 |
| elfy | ok - thanks for letting me know | 22:24 |
| ochosi | i guess we have two options | 22:25 |
| elfy | right ok - so dholbach will do it I am sure - pleia2 and I were talking to him about this issue earlier | 22:25 |
| ochosi | 1) drop it from the seed (i.e. not install it anymore by default) | 22:25 |
| ochosi | 2) find a way to disable it by default | 22:25 |
| ochosi | do you have any idea how to achieve 2) without doing 1)? | 22:26 |
| elfy | absolutely none at all | 22:26 |
| ochosi | me neither | 22:27 |
| elfy | it's all gone a bit horrible in the last 100metres here ... | 22:27 |
| elfy | I'd favour us not seeding it | 22:27 |
| ochosi | yeah, the indicators not autostarting anymore is also nasty | 22:27 |
| elfy | yea - that's what I mean | 22:27 |
| elfy | and the wallpapers | 22:28 |
| ochosi | yup, it looked like a solid release | 22:28 |
| elfy | and the new white thing with icons | 22:28 |
| ochosi | and we got a lot done | 22:28 |
| ochosi | new white thing? | 22:28 |
| elfy | absolutely did | 22:28 |
| elfy | the bug when you chane icons/themes | 22:28 |
| ochosi | and then what happens? | 22:28 |
| ochosi | desktop wallpaper disappears? | 22:28 |
| elfy | you know about this - you confirmed it | 22:29 |
| elfy | yea | 22:29 |
| elfy | that one | 22:29 |
| ochosi | ah right, but that's fixed already | 22:29 |
| ochosi | only a matter of getting the fix uploaded | 22:29 |
| elfy | ok - not seen the fix come through | 22:29 |
| ochosi | so i'm not worried about that at all | 22:29 |
| elfy | :) | 22:29 |
| ochosi | yeah, not uploaded yet | 22:29 |
| ochosi | there might be a release tomorrow or on the weekend | 22:29 |
| ochosi | then the upload | 22:29 |
| ochosi | so that's straightforward | 22:29 |
| elfy | so ibus seems to be a case of not using it - simplish I assume | 22:29 |
| elfy | the indicators is the nasty one now I think | 22:30 |
| ochosi | yeah, if we get lots of complaints then we'll at least know that it *is* used by ppl for somethign :D | 22:30 |
| elfy | :) | 22:30 |
| ochosi | brainwash: have you tried to add that loginctl command yet? | 22:31 |
| elfy | right - I've got to crash now - night all | 22:31 |
| ochosi | night elfy | 22:31 |
| elfy | ochosi: I'll see you when I see you then I guess :) | 22:31 |
| brainwash | good night | 22:32 |
| brainwash | ochosi: hardcoded? | 22:32 |
| brainwash | or via a wrapper or autostart entry? | 22:33 |
| brainwash | see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk/view/head:/src/lightdm-gtk-greeter.c#L389 | 22:33 |
| ochosi | well how should i know what you've tested? | 22:34 |
| ochosi | just tell what you did test so far :p | 22:34 |
| brainwash | opened a terminal and typed the command | 22:34 |
| ochosi | autostart entry seems to make sense, because then ppl have a way of disabling all of them (instead of only hiding all of them). that's a bit better | 22:34 |
| brainwash | and we need to make sure that the services will actually terminate on session logout | 22:35 |
| ochosi | yeah, that's a bit more meh | 22:36 |
| ochosi | so if we patch that into xfce4-session, then ppl cant deactivate indicators anymore, unless they uninstall them | 22:41 |
| brainwash | they can also override the .conf files | 22:41 |
| brainwash | or use gsettings to disable some of them | 22:41 |
| ochosi | "...then ppl cant *easily* deactivate indicators anymore..." | 22:41 |
| brainwash | it will be easy | 22:42 |
| brainwash | after people have created tons of forum threads | 22:42 |
| brainwash | :D | 22:42 |
| brainwash | just copy&paste | 22:43 |
| brainwash | what about patching -session to ignore the upstart session stuff? | 22:43 |
| brainwash | basically hardcode the autostart launcher path | 22:45 |
| brainwash | and not use any env var | 22:45 |
| brainwash | sadly all the different solutions need testing | 22:46 |
| brainwash | and we are running out of time | 22:46 |
| ochosi | heading off to bed, night all | 22:47 |
| brainwash | good night | 22:48 |
| gridcube_ | alright, i can replicate the bug | 23:16 |
| gridcube_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1302244 | 23:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1302244 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "xfce4-power-manager-settings can not be launched after the session comes back from a suspension" [Undecided,New] | 23:27 |
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