[04:28] <valorie> is anyone working on this network manager problem?
[04:28] <valorie> i'm not the only one with no wireless
[04:28] <valorie> no help in #ubuntu+1
[04:36] <valorie> in other news, no sound in flash
[04:57] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1275584] Kubuntu 14.04 Kickoff Font Look Ugly / Jerky @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1275584 (by j2snowden)
[05:01] <jussi> valorie: are you sure you didnt jst install hardy heron or something? :P :P
[05:14] <valorie> jussi: wifi worked before the upgrade/restart
[05:14] <valorie> and not since
[05:14] <jussi> valorie: was a joke...
[05:15] <valorie> not sure about the flash silence, but I think I used youtube yesterday
[05:16] <valorie> this ethernet cable is really bad
[05:16] <valorie> 'connector' erratic
[05:37] <jussi> valorie: funny, I have no updates offered
[05:37] <jussi> valorie: you sure your HW switch is on?
[05:38] <valorie> why would it turn off when I restarted?
[05:38] <valorie> this laptop doesn't have a hardware switch, anyway
[05:39] <valorie> the f12 button light is on
[05:39] <valorie> the weird thing is that NM sees all the wireless available
[05:39] <valorie> but the connect button does nothing
[05:40] <lordievader> valorie: You could try wpa_supplicant to see what exactly goes wrong.
[05:41] <valorie> I suppose, but I'm not expert enough to interpret that
[05:42] <valorie> I guess I can try filing a bug against network-manager and see what happens
[05:42] <valorie> I didn't have time earlier, and was hoping for an easy fix to appear while I was out
[05:42] <valorie> no such luck.....
[05:43] <lordievader> Hope it is not another problem of the kernel, heard BluesKaj earlier with the same problem.
[05:43] <valorie> the fact that I have silence in flash also, makes me suspect so
[05:44] <lordievader> Since it would be very unfortunate so close before the release :(
[05:44] <valorie> gah, apport-kde is still crashing when you try to use ubuntu-bug
[05:44] <valorie> grrrr
[05:45] <valorie> lordievader: exactly
[05:45] <valorie> I have a cable, and can use that
[05:45] <valorie> but damn it, what about our users?
[05:45] <valorie> the alpha was smooth, the beta has been awesome -- until today
[05:46] <lordievader> Trusty has been stable till the beta for me, then some OpenGL issues arose.
[05:55] <valorie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1302348
[05:56] <lordievader> valorie: I'll forward this to BluesKaj when I see him.
[05:56] <valorie> was he able to get online somehow?
[05:56] <valorie> and thank you
[05:57] <lordievader> valorie: Cable, he was at a friends house. Wanted to show how awesome Linux was to his Windows friends. Then the wifi failed.
[05:57] <lordievader> I see quite a few wireless related bugs in the kernel bug tracker. :(
[05:57] <valorie> recent ones?
[05:57] <valorie> LP only reported one to me
[05:58] <valorie> oh, kernel bug tracker
[05:58] <lordievader> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/linux-kernel-bugs
[05:58] <valorie> bummer
[05:58] <lordievader> Not more than a day ago.
[05:58] <valorie> I think it's bizarre that nm detects the wireless signals but won't connect
[05:59] <valorie> so I really wonder if it is the kernel
[05:59] <lordievader> Seeing probes and authenticating are two different things.
[05:59] <lordievader> If the WPA2 encryption where to fail it is not very strange that authenticating fails.
[06:02] <valorie> ha, I see my silence in that list of kernel bugs
[06:04] <valorie> or maybe
[06:04] <valorie> gosh, linux sound is so complicated
[06:54] <freinhard> hi!
[06:54] <freinhard> installed beta2 yesterday. 
[06:55] <freinhard> after a dist-upgrade network-manager didn't connect to wifi any more, the "connect" button for a wifi just does nothing now exept for asking for a password
[06:55] <freinhard> i even deleted my whole home dir and rebooted
[06:55] <valorie> freinhard: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1302348
[06:56] <valorie> please add your feedback
[06:56] <freinhard> thx
[06:56] <freinhard> furthermore there are now "upstart-*" files in my home directory
[06:57] <freinhard> where do they come from?
[06:57] <valorie> freinhard: you might just `ubuntu-bug network-manager` and comment when that shows you my bug
[06:57] <valorie> that way they will get a bunch of reports from your computer
[06:58] <valorie> !info upstart
[06:58] <valorie> huh
[06:59] <freinhard> k, i'll do that after work. cu
[06:59] <valorie> thanks, freinhard
[07:11] <jussi> valorie: from elsewhere: [09:48:43] <MartijnVdS> ugh... isc-dhcp-client seems broken in trusty
[07:12] <jussi> might be related
[07:12] <valorie> huh, I can't mount anything either
[07:12] <valorie> just like a fellow in #kubuntu
[07:12] <valorie> damn it
[07:13] <valorie> and I can't copy/paste the error
[07:14] <valorie> basically, device does not exist
[07:39] <apachelogger> yofel: I think the correct way to debug dbus problems is actually calling qdbus, which will tell you why it is not working :P
[07:41] <valorie> hmmmm, old kernel works well
[07:41] <valorie> I think that's bad news
[07:51] <sbivol> Morning, developers. I just spotted that the blue-shell PPA in Launchpad is full and some packages failed to build. 
[07:52] <sbivol> by „full” I mean out of space
[08:06] <valorie> yofel: are you about? I guess you suggested installing a particular kde-workspace-bin, but: http://paste.kde.org/ply1l2ch3
[08:06] <valorie> it would be lovely to have everything working with the latest kernel
[08:09] <apachelogger> valorie: report a bug
[08:09] <valorie> I did, my dear
[08:09] <apachelogger> if it worked in an older kernel I guess there was a regression in the driver
[08:10] <apachelogger> other than that there's not much to be done
[08:10] <valorie> however, I reported it against nm
[08:10] <valorie> it seems there are other problems as well
[08:10] <apachelogger> should be kernel I reckon ;)
[08:10] <apachelogger> valorie: such as?
[08:10] <valorie> I'll try to log into the newer kernel in a minute
[08:10] <valorie> no sound
[08:11] <valorie> not able to mount devices
[08:11] <valorie> no wifi connection
[08:11] <valorie> so far, that's my list
[08:11] <apachelogger> ohm
[08:11] <apachelogger> not able to mount devices sounds slightly suspicious
[08:11] <valorie> so, major suckage
[08:11] <apachelogger> maybe they botched the kernel ^^
[08:11] <valorie> I'm thinking so
[08:11] <apachelogger> valorie: when did you install?
[08:12] <valorie> this morning
[08:12] <apachelogger> much peculiar
[08:12] <valorie> but didn't have time to mess about until tonight
[08:12] <valorie> indeed
[08:13] <apachelogger> mh
[08:13] <apachelogger> valorie: there is a new kernel in proposed that has like 300000 git cherrypicks
[08:13] <valorie> oh lovely
[08:13] <apachelogger> chances are the previous kernel was broken and this uploaded fixes it
[08:13] <valorie> what could possibly go wrong?
[08:14] <valorie> so you think I should just dist-upgrade?
[08:14] <valorie> it's a possibility.....
[08:14] <apachelogger> valorie: not yet in regular trusty
[08:14] <apachelogger> you'll have to wait a bit
[08:14] <apachelogger> or you could enable proposed which I would not recommend
[08:14] <apachelogger> anyway, once you get the new kernel, if the issues persist I guess you'll want to file a bug against the kernel
[08:14] <valorie> I'll be in bed in ~30 mins, so it will have to wait some hours
[08:14] <valorie> blueskaj had the same issue I did
[08:15] <valorie> as did others
[08:15] <valorie> k
[08:16] <valorie> also they did: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1302394
[08:16] <valorie> so all kinds of fun today
[08:18] <valorie> also:
[08:18] <valorie> !bug 1302331
[08:18] <valorie> but i think that is just for proposed
[08:23] <valorie> anyway, I'm going to try the new kernel again now that I've tinkered a bit
[08:23] <valorie> dunno about the qdbus change but whatever
[08:28] <valorie> works!
[08:40] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:49] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/taEROqc.png
[08:49] <apachelogger> anyone ever seen that text rendering problem?
[08:50] <valorie> ewww
[08:50] <apachelogger> happens like half the time when hovering files in the file chooser
[08:51] <Kalidarn> hmm i accepted an update now my two audio devices are greyed out
[08:51] <Kalidarn> "Dummy Output" seems to be the only available oen
[08:53] <Kalidarn> i'm also seeing PID files appear in my home directory
[08:53] <Kalidarn> upstart-dbus-bridge.2391.pid
[08:53] <Kalidarn> upstart-file-bridge.2391.pid
[08:53] <valorie> odd
[08:54] <apachelogger> nah, something's busted in upstart/systemd
[08:54] <apachelogger> I think that's only in proposed though
[08:54] <apachelogger> so make sure proposed is not enabled :P
[08:55] <Kalidarn> i haven't enabled it myself
[09:00] <Kalidarn> hmm more updates
[09:00] <Kalidarn> ;)
[09:00] <ovidiu-florin> does anyone know why this happens? http://paste.kde.org/pf0u4arhv/ufqjws
[09:00] <valorie> apachelogger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C--78OvblaA !
[09:00] <valorie> watch the hats
[09:01] <ovidiu-florin> it's a Kubuntu 13.10 live CD
[09:01] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: are you out of space?
[09:01] <ovidiu-florin> the whole system froze
[09:01] <Kalidarn> apachelogger: some of the updates systemd :D
[09:01] <Kalidarn> so hopefully whatever was broken is fixed
[09:01] <ovidiu-florin> I have 3 GB of RAM valorie
[09:02] <Kalidarn> ovidiu-florin: because your computer wants you to join with vim
[09:02] <apachelogger> ^ that
[09:03] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: did you do anything else in the live session?
[09:03] <ovidiu-florin> a few things
[09:04] <apachelogger> all of them might have exhausted your memory then
[09:04] <ovidiu-florin> Up to step 3 https://github.com/retspen/webvirtmgr/wiki/Install-WebVirtMgr
[09:04] <valorie> your poor computer
[09:04] <apachelogger> yeah, memory exhausted
[09:04] <valorie> you ran it on a hot day with no water
[09:04] <apachelogger> you basically have 1.5 gib of RAM available for fake-disk-space
[09:05] <ovidiu-florin> what about swap?
[09:05] <apachelogger> between 500 and 750 will be consumed for the live session right after startup
[09:05] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: swap is not used and I think in terms of overlayfs it doesn't matter anyway, it will simply refuse to swap
[09:05] <Kalidarn> apachelogger: yep that update fixed it
[09:05] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: you can try to swapon
[09:06] <apachelogger> but really, I don't know why you are doing this in a live session to begin with :P
[09:08] <ovidiu-florin> because it's a test
[09:10] <apachelogger> it's a more reliable test if you do a VM install and test in the VM
[09:10] <ovidiu-florin> I agree
[09:10] <ovidiu-florin> but not if you test a virtual machine manager
[09:11] <ovidiu-florin> with virtual machines
[09:11] <apachelogger> which takes like 5 minutes longer and doesn't suffer from live session induced problems :)
[09:14] <valorie> there were problems with VMs today too
[09:14] <valorie> perhaps that new kernel will make all that go away again
[09:16] <valorie> ugh, almost 2:30am
[09:16] <valorie> niters all
[10:03] <Riddell> "Achim Bohnet (allee) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members (kubuntu-members) team until 2015-04-11" yay alleehol still loves us!
[10:22] <Riddell> file:///usr/share/plasma/shells/org.kde.desktop/contents/views/Panel.qml:20:1: module "QtQuick.Layouts" is not installed  import QtQuick.Layouts 1.1 
[10:22] <Riddell> anyone know what package to install for QtQuick.Layouts?
[10:22] <Riddell> Mirv: ↑
[10:25] <sgclark> Good Morning Riddell: any tasks for me today?
[10:27] <Riddell> sgclark: hmm
[10:28] <Riddell> sgclark: no simple packaging comes to mind, working out how to get plasma alpha working would be useful, test libreoffice SRU too
[10:29] <Riddell> sgclark: I wonder how shadeslayer_'s backport of 4.13 RC got
[10:29] <sgclark> Riddell: plasma alpha sounds interesting
[10:29] <Riddell> sgclark: you'll need to make a new chroot of trusty
[10:30] <Riddell> sgclark: mount -t none -o bind /tmp trusty/tmp    then same for /dev and /proc
[10:30] <Riddell> run Xephyr :2 outside the chroot
[10:30] <Riddell> export DISPLAY=:2  inside the chroot
[10:30] <Riddell> install from kubuntu-ppa/experimental  kde-workspace-kf5
[10:31] <Riddell> run   plasma-shell  and startkde and see what works
[10:31] <sgclark> Riddell: ok
[10:43] <Mirv> Riddell: Riddell qtdeclarative5-quicklayouts-plugin
[10:44] <Riddell> thanks Mirv, now I'm onto working out QtQuick.Window
[10:44] <Riddell> Mirv: there has to be an easier way to find these things out
[10:45] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: is there an easier way for finding out where a python class comes from other than guessing wildly or asking google?
[10:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: no but python packaging is also an art, I want a science :)
[10:48] <apachelogger> well, it's the same for qml plugins :P
[10:50] <apachelogger> I can give you a sort of sensible approach of how to deal with it in general... at buidltime you could build a list of all IIDs and fiddle that in as a debian/control property such that you could then look it via the deb control data
[10:50] <Riddell> this could mean some messy packaging
[10:50] <apachelogger> nope
[10:50]  * Riddell installs everything named qtdeclarative in the archive to see what happens
[10:50] <apachelogger> just means every qml plugin needs to have some additional debhelper to figure this out
[10:51] <apachelogger> figuring out what IIDs are provided is a bit tricky though
[10:51] <apachelogger> since they can be path based, or so-file based (i.e. binary plugin)
[10:51] <apachelogger> not terribly hard probably eitherway though
[10:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: note that some are actually called qml-plugin- or something ;)
[10:53] <Riddell> nope they seem to be all qtdeclarative5-foo
[10:54] <Riddell> but we haven't yet settled on a best practice for version number in foo
[10:54] <apachelogger> fair enough, maybe that was another distribution ^^
[10:54] <Riddell> tricky since qml modules can contain several versions
[10:55] <apachelogger> (which would also be solved by a control data property :P
[10:55] <apachelogger> )
[11:36] <Riddell> sgclark: this is as good as I get http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma-shell1.png
[11:36] <sgclark> Riddell: well at least you know what time it is!
[11:37] <Riddell> :)
[11:41] <alvin> Can I call qdbus? Hmm. I'm not sure.
[11:44] <Riddell> alvin: what's the context? why do you ask?
[11:44] <alvin> Well, Trusty doesn't want me to log into KDE. It asks. (just a moment...)
[11:45] <alvin> Could not start D-Bus. Can you call qdbus?
[11:45] <Riddell> alvin: do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[11:45] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7202872/
[11:46] <Riddell> sgclark: this is in a new chroot?
[11:46] <alvin> Riddell: Yes, but I might try to purge and reinstall it to satisfy dependencies. (Don't know if that is actually the best method)
[11:46] <sgclark> Riddell: freshly made yes
[11:46] <Riddell> sgclark: have you installed kubuntu-desktop or other stuff inside it?
[11:47] <sgclark> Riddell: nope
[11:47] <sgclark> Riddell: added ppa and did update is all I have done
[11:47] <alvin> Nah. It only reinstalled Quassel (I only use quassel-client, so I removed it earlier.) That's it.
[11:48] <Riddell> sgclark: can you install kde-runtime-kf5 ?
[11:49] <Riddell> alvin: well check if you can call qdbus I guess, sounds like it has broken somehow
[11:49] <sgclark> Riddell: same mixed depend versions failure
[11:50] <Riddell> sgclark: oh you might need to add universe
[11:50] <Riddell> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:50] <Riddell> that'll be it
[11:50] <sgclark> Riddell: ok ty
[11:50] <alvin> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gt5/bin/qdbus does not exist. Missing package?
[11:51] <Riddell> alvin: install qt4-defaults dbus-qt4
[11:53] <sgclark> Riddell: that was it :) thanks!
[11:55] <alvin> Riddell: Don't you mean qdbus-qt5?
[11:58] <Riddell> alvin: not if you're using kde 4
[12:05] <alvin> I see that qdbus-qt5 is not part of Trusty by default, but it did fix it.
[12:07] <shadeslayer_> not required by default
[12:12] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: ping
[12:13] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+packages?field.name_filter=phonon&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[12:13] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: both need uploading
[12:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: cool, will get to it after lunch
[12:16] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: cheers
[12:16] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: I don't have time to fix issues on those today, but atleast for me it upgrades just fine
[12:16] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: so if you find issues, please fix and upload :)
[12:27] <freinhard> valorie: just installed cgmanager and rebooted1. looks promising so far. unfortunately my ac adapter just died...
[12:56] <sgclark> Riddell: bash: plasma-shell: command not found and startkde spews lots of errors possibly due to previous error
[12:57] <Riddell> sgclark: you need to install plasma-framework5 and a bunch of other things
[12:57] <Riddell> sgclark: I uploaded a ~ppa6 version of kde-workspace-kf5 with the dependencies I know on it
[12:57] <Riddell> sgclark: but it failed to build, so investigating that would be good if you want to
[12:58] <sgclark> Riddell: ok will do
[12:59] <Riddell> sgclark: I added a depends on kdelibs-bin which is from kde 4 land and shouldn't be needed, try removing it and see what breaks
[13:00] <sgclark> Riddell: ok
[13:00] <soee> uhm kwalletd crash
[13:09] <shadeslayer_> soee: apt-cache policy kde-runtime plz
[13:16] <alleehol> vHanda: I've 100% CPU usage baloo_file_extractor that does almost no IO (few kb/sec) for hours  until I kill it.  Any hint how to collect useful information?
[13:17] <sgclark> Riddell: ok found a missing comma in depend, removed kdelibs-bin, it is building now.
[13:18] <vHanda> alleehol: check what arguments it has been called with? $ ps aux | grep baloo_file
[13:21] <alleehol> vHanda: lots of numbers.  Should I restart the extractor?
[13:21] <vHanda> no please run $ balooshow <numbers> 
[13:21] <vHanda> and pastebin the result
[13:21] <vHanda> also, what version are you on?
[13:22] <alleehol> vHanda: 4.13 rc1 updated last night
[13:35] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+files/kdeconnect_0.5.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[13:35] <shadeslayer_> needs uploading
[13:47] <soee> shadeslayer_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7203320/
[13:48] <shadeslayer_> soee: backtrace?
[13:48] <shadeslayer_> soee: please also report upstreamer
[13:49] <soee> shadeslayer_: when i wanted to send report it said that this package changed or is not the same since last .. something and report cant be send
[13:50] <soee> so maybe its after some updates 
[14:05] <sgclark> Riddell: err copyright file is void of copyright info, want me to go ahead an fix that? :)
[14:08] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: did you upload pgst/pgst4qt5/kdeconnect?
[14:08] <shadeslayer_> because I am going to be unavailable starting tomorriow
[14:09] <shadeslayer_> so I won't have a chance to follow up
[14:27] <alleehol> vHanda: FWIW: up to now only a baloo_file_extractor with ~ 2 min 100% cpu.  During the baloo_file_extractor was running 'crazy' and after it had ended,  balooshow  <ids>  had the same output http://paste.ubuntu.com/7203452/  So I assume that the last 16 file were not indexed.    I report again when I  run into the 'for hours' 100%  extractor process ...
[14:28] <vHanda> :O you have multiple extractor processes
[14:28] <vHanda> that shouldn't happen, but then I've fixed some of the bugs which I think caused that
[14:28] <vHanda> but that's after the rc
[14:29] <alleehol> vHanda: I had at least up to 37 
[14:29] <alleehol> at one point
[14:34] <alleehol> vHanda: would it be worth to give  a baloo git deb pkgs more testing before 4.13 final?
[14:36] <vHanda> that would be awesome
[14:36] <vHanda> if you can
[14:38] <shadeslayer_> do we even have those :P
[14:38] <alleehol> vHanda: I can give it a try.   Which repo(s?) & branch
[14:38] <vHanda> baloo and KDE/4.13
[14:39] <alleehol> vHanda: ok
[14:41] <alleehol> sgclark: AFAIR you build from git already.  Which tools best to easy pkging from git
[14:44] <sgclark> alleehol: I have not packaged from git sorry
[14:48] <alleehol> shadeslayer_: I need to pkg baloo from kde git for testing.  Do kubuntu devs have some handy scripts to make it easy?
[14:50] <freinhard> hi!
[14:51] <freinhard> isn't that ironic when the bugreport tool crashes?
[14:52] <ghostcube> nah, ironic would be if the bug report tool asks you for the bureport of the bugreporttool crash
[14:52] <ghostcube> -.-
[14:52] <freinhard> :D
[14:52] <Riddell> sgclark: I wouldn't spend much time on stuff like copyright, these packages will all get split up in the next release so no point fussing over the details
[14:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: seems my lunch was a bit longer than I'd hoped, will get to it shortly
[14:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: any changelog for kdeconnect? any new features?
[14:57] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: not really, I was told it's only bug fixes
[15:03] <sgclark> Riddell: ok :) anything here I need to be concerned about? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7203610/
[15:07] <Riddell> sgclark: nope, all fine for these scratch packages
[15:07] <Riddell> sgclark: the question is just can you get something to run :)
[15:09] <sgclark> Riddell: gotcha :)
[15:21] <sgclark> Riddell: it is still running through pbuilder, but the files are https://spideroak.com/browse/share/Kubuntu/kubuntu_packaging/kde-workspace-kf5/ if you want to upload now. Disregard the ppa5 file that snuck in there.
[15:22] <shadeslayer_> sgclark: kdepimruntime needs fixing if you want
[15:23] <sgclark> shadeslayer_: sure, if it can wait for this to finish building
[15:31] <sgclark> shadeslayer_: which kdepim-runtime do I need to be fixing? Only one I found was from back in mid March.
[15:33] <shadeslayer_> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.12.97_saucy.html
[15:34] <sgclark> shadeslayer_: thanks
[15:43] <freinhard> should the button "add" in "kcmshell4 kcm_ssl" be working? just fails silently on 13.10 and 14.04
[15:44] <freinhard> how to reproduce: wget http://www.cacert.org/certs/root.der; kcmshell4 kcm_ssl
[15:44] <freinhard> hit add on the lower right, select root.der and see nothing ;)
[15:46]  * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2014/04/04/plasma-next-alpha
[15:47] <Riddell> freinhard: I confirm, but that's pretty specialist code, you'd need to find someone knowledgeable upstream like rich moore to ask
[15:52] <sgclark> Riddell: kde-workspace-kf5 did pass pbuilder if you have not got them yet.
[15:54] <Riddell> sgclark: great, I did upload it
[15:55] <Riddell> sgclark: but I think it'll be missing something yet, I had it complain about not finding QtQuick.Window which I fixed by installing every qtdeclarative5- package in the archive, but it would be nice to find out which one that is
[15:55] <sgclark> Riddell: ok, helping out shadeslayer_ with kdepim-runtime
[15:55] <Riddell> sgclark: also I had to manually set QML2_IMPORT_PATH even though I think I patched startkde, so that needs checked out
[15:55] <Riddell> sgclark: sure, whatever you have time
[15:56] <sgclark> Riddell: ahhh, ok, I will certainly fiddle around with all of that
[15:59] <alleehol> vHanda: still with rc1: 3 extractor proc with identical ids  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7203812/ running at the same time.  Using 20+/-1 min CPU time with ~ 100% each.    balooshow  shows again that the last ~ 12 ids are not indexed yet.   
[15:59] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: review plz http://paste.ubuntu.com/7203824/
[16:00] <alleehol> vHanda: when I upgrade baloo to KDE/4.13 branch.  How to restart the baloo_file 'master' process?
[16:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: that indention looks funny
[16:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: FWIW, I am not sure that is a sane thing from a continuity POV
[16:05] <apachelogger> change looks fine though
[16:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: please note to test whether it will actually remove stuff on unchecking though :)
[16:05] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: it does
[16:05] <shadeslayer_> tried it in vbox
[16:05] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7203857/
[16:17] <alleehol> sgclark: but how to fix symbol files you know, right: :-)  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7203898/
[16:18] <freinhard> if you click in dolphin on a crt file, the "View file" thing pops up. there's an import button. It's grey for me. can someone confirm?
[16:19] <sgclark> alleehol: pkgkde-symbolshelper batchpatch -v VERSION < /path/to/buildlog
[16:23] <Riddell> alleehol: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html  (it's spooky voodoo)
[16:28] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: apachelogger virtualbox has no restart/shutdown buttons
[16:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: yes it does, the X in the top right of the window :)
[16:29] <shadeslayer_> pft
[16:29] <freinhard> i'm confused. ksmshell filetypes lists ".cert, .crt, .pem, .der" for "appliaction/x-x509-ca-cert"
[16:30] <alleehol> sgclark, Riddell: thx.   I'll try after I prepared dinner. afk
[16:30] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: i meant in the kickoff
[16:30] <freinhard> kcm_ssl opens a KFileDialog with that filetype, but it only lists .der files
[16:33] <Riddell> freinhard: that certificate viewer seems to be gnome keyring, how curious
[16:34] <freinhard> Riddell: not for me, i removed it
[16:35] <freinhard> Riddell: after the systemupdate i removed it in search of the "why does wlan not work anymore" bug
[16:37] <freinhard> Riddell: here it's opened with gcr-viwer from the gcr package
[16:37] <Riddell> freinhard: yes gnome crypto, that's what I ment
[16:37] <Riddell> shouldn't be on our images but is
[16:38] <Riddell> freinhard: kcm_ssl only listing .der files may be deliberate or may be a bug but it needs someone knowledgeable upstream to fix it
[16:38] <freinhard> i'll post in #kde
[16:38] <freinhard> i'll post in #kde-devel
[16:38] <Riddell> freinhard: probably more specialist than that channel can manage
[16:39] <Riddell> only so many people know about security and certificates
[16:39] <freinhard> the more you know about it the less you want to know ;)
[16:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: phonon uploaded with a wee fix for s/0.10/1.0/ in one dependency, my music still plays in amarok so I'm happy :)
[16:40] <shadeslayer_> awesome
[16:49]  * Riddell blogs http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=145
[18:20] <sgclark> shadeslayer_: or Riddell: the problam with kdepim-runtime in saucy is libkolab libkolabxml required versions are not available in saucy (only older version) so it is not built, do we want to upgrade these or remove that support from saucy? 
[18:20] <yofel> backport the newer ones
[18:21] <sgclark> ty yofel
[21:48] <valorie> ghostcube said: <ghostcube> [14:52:29] nah, ironic would be if the bug report tool asks you for the bureport of the bugreporttool crash
[21:49] <valorie> that has happened a couple of times
[21:49] <yofel> well, happens ^^
[21:50]  * valorie strikes an ironic pose
[21:51] <valorie> ok, time for daily updates; crossing my fingers after yesterday's challenges