[01:06] <testco> Anyone using 14.04? Is it frozen now so no breaking changes?
[01:22] <mic_> hello
[01:31] <Addle> testco: Well, some things broke in my latest update, so I'd say expect breakage.
[01:33] <testco> Addle: this afternoon's update? that broke a lot of things
[01:33] <testco> for everyone
[01:33] <Addle> testco: Yeah, have to agree. :)
[01:34] <Addle> Looks like it'll be nice, once things smooth out, though.
[02:05] <Xeno> Can any anyone help me? on my last update I get when I try to login to Kubuntu 14.04 could not start dbus. can you call qdbus? Well I found the fix is to apt-get install qdbus-qt5 but I am running wireless, do I have to connect to a ethernet cable to get it to work?
[02:35] <Addle> Xeno: Was the only way I found to get internet back after that update.
[02:36] <Addle> Xeno: Though I bet calling wpa_supplicant and dhcpcd yourself would work.
[02:37] <Addle> Xeno: Well, maybe not "bet", but seems likely. :)
[02:38] <Xeno> Sorry was out of the room
[02:40] <Xeno> I do Ctrl + Alt + F1 to get terminal but I have no internet with wireless, I have tried apt-get update and I get errors
[02:40] <Addle> If you can plug it into a physical ethernet, that's the easiest way.
[02:41] <Xeno> I thought so I would have to move my computer from the room to the living room but it's not a problem if I had to
[02:42] <Addle> If you don't mind getting your hands dirty, you can try using wpa_supplicant and dhcpcd directly.
[02:42] <Addle> Xeno: This might help if you try that: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/WPA_supplicant
[02:43] <Addle> Xeno: Just ignore the systemd stuff and check the Manual Configuration section.
[02:43] <Addle> Still, might be more expedient just to move it. :)
[02:45] <Xeno> ok either way, I am still learning Linux but I like when I get to learn more so I might get my hands dirty on this one :-)
[02:45] <Addle> Xeno: It's useful knowledge, anyways.
[02:46] <Addle> Xeno: Ugh, you might need to use dhclient instead of dhcpcd to get an IP, though. dhcpcd isn't installed on this fresh 13.10 installation, anyways.
[07:05] <mokush> is anybody on the latest beta? any idea why after an upgrade I did just now I can't mount any media
[07:05] <mokush> ntfs or anything else
[07:07] <Addle> mokush: Probably kdbus borked, if I were to guess.
[07:08] <mokush> Addle: any idea how I could duck-tape it? until updates with fixes are available?
[07:08] <mokush> also network manager shows that I'm not connected to any network, even if my wired connection seems to be working fine
[07:08] <valorie> mokush: have you filed a bug about this?
[07:08] <valorie> mokush: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1302348
[07:09] <valorie> please comment on this bug
[07:09] <mokush> valorie: not yet, it just happened 2 minutes ago after I did the dist-upgrade
[07:09] <valorie> I'll try to mount my phone
[07:09] <mokush> btw, the error dolphin reports when trying to mount is 'An error occurred while accessing 'drive', the system responded: An unspecified error has occurred: Not authorized to perform operation'
[07:09] <valorie> that's helpful
[07:10] <Addle> mokush: I shouldn't have closed the info I had found. Looking for it...
[07:10] <valorie> btw: #ubuntu+1 for Trusty
[07:12] <Addle> mokush: Search for qdbus in this: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/03/22/%23kubuntu-devel.txt
[07:12] <Addle> tl;dr "<yofel> so the solutions are: a) replace qt5-default with qt4-default b) install qdbus-qt5 c) install kde-workspace-bin >= 4:4.11.6-0ubuntu3"
[07:12] <Addle> I think PolKit also had an issue.
[07:13] <Addle> Here's a thread on it: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?65005-quot-Could-not-start-d-bus-Can-you-call-qdbus-quot
[07:14] <Addle> About the PolKit issue: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?65082-systemd-update-screwed-up-policy-kit-network-manager-and-muon-qapt
[07:15] <Addle> Hm, not sure that last one is relevant. That's for trusty-proposed.
[07:15] <valorie> !info cgmanager
[07:16] <Addle> Does seem to be in trusty: http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/trusty/cgmanager
[07:17] <Addle> Just not sure about the systemd thing being in trusty proper.
[07:18] <Addle> Wow: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/systemd-services
[07:19] <Addle> Didn't think systemd would be in this release. Doubt it would be the default init for trusty.
[07:19] <valorie> well, cgmanager is now installed
[07:19] <valorie> we'll see if it helps
[07:20] <valorie> systemd isn't installed on my system according to apt-cache policy though
[07:22] <Addle> Yeah, I guess it's there for people to experiment with.
[07:22] <Unit193> Addle: 'systemd' isn't in this release, the package is a shim only.
[07:23] <Addle> Unit193: Oh, that makes sense. Thanks!
[07:23] <Addle> Figured that was a little quick, as integrations go. :)
[07:25] <alex____> bonjour  !!
[07:25] <Addle> Bonjour, alex____ :)
[07:26] <alex____> je  decouvre !  :)
[07:29] <Addle> *découvre ;)
[07:30] <Addle> Behold my language character set switching skillz!
[07:30] <alex____> oui je vien de découvrir  ce site
[07:32] <Addle> C'est une bonne place, mais surtout conduit en englais.
[07:32] <Addle> There's a french channel, right? At least for ubuntu?
[07:32] <Addle> !fr
[07:32] <Addle> Ahah, I knew that would be there. hehe
[07:41] <mokush> Addle: could you copy-paste the a) b) c) solutions you wrote earlier?
[07:41] <Addle> Sure thing:
[07:41] <Addle> "<yofel> so the solutions are: a) replace qt5-default with qt4-default b) install qdbus-qt5 c) install kde-workspace-bin >= 4:4.11.6-0ubuntu3"
[07:42] <mokush> Addle: thanks!
[07:42] <Addle> mokush: np!
[07:42] <mokush> so I installed the cgmanager and qdbus-qt5 packages, an d everything seems to work now
[07:42] <mokush> thanks guys!
[07:43] <valorie> mokush: in the new kernel?
[07:44] <Addle> mokush: Great! np :)
[07:45] <mokush> valorie: what do you mean?
[07:45] <alket> is kubuntu 14 stable enough ?
[07:46] <valorie> mokush: you added those three packages to the newest Trusty updates, including the new kernel?
[07:46] <Addle> alket: Probably be so soonish, I bet, but right now there's a few issues.
[07:47] <mokush> valorie: I had installed 3.13 before upgrading to the 14.04 betas. but I think the beta upgrade also brought along a newer 3.13 kernel
[07:47] <Addle> alket: Testing is very welcome, of course, but it's beta and I'd wait a bit if you don't want to have to mess around.
[07:47] <alket> Addle, thank you for the info
[07:47] <Addle> alket: No problem :)
[07:48] <valorie> thanks, mokush
[07:48] <valorie> yes, once you get the beta and do any upgrades, you are on the dailies
[07:51] <valorie> !info qdbus-qt5
[07:53] <mokush> since I'm on the dailies right now, once the stable trusty gets released, will I be on the stable release? or is there anything extra I'm going to have to do?
[07:53] <valorie> you'll be on stable once Trusty is released
[07:54] <valorie> you have to do `do-release-upgrade` again to get on the daily train again
[07:56] <mokush> valorie: so I'll just do dist-upgrade from now on, won't have to do another release upgrade once trusty is out?
[07:56] <Addle> mokush: Correct
[07:57] <valorie> so I'm going to quit and restart into the new kernel again, and see if cgmanager, qt4-default, and qdbus-qt5 do the trick
[07:57] <valorie> oh, workspace-bin, himmm
[08:40] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:49] <trung> I got some really weird problems: if I launch an application using krunner (the Alt+F2) the application's fonts will look very ugly (doesn't seem to be affected by my settings at all). On the other hand launching that same application through a terminal works fine
[08:54] <valorie> that's really bizarre
[08:54] <valorie> how about trying it from konsole as well?
[08:55] <trung> let me try
[08:55] <trung> konsole works fine
[08:55] <trung> (earlier I used Yakuake but I think it should be the same)
[08:56] <valorie> trung: perhaps file a bug against krunner
[08:57] <valorie> although a replacement is being written
[08:57] <valorie> still, that's just plain odd
[08:57] <valorie> yakuake <3
[08:57] <trung> I am installing Synapse to replace krunner at the moment
[08:58] <trung> some time ago I disabled Akonadi and Nepomuk since my system would pause every 30s or so
[08:58] <trung> Krunner hasn't worked well since
[08:58] <trung> newly added applications don't show up on search
[08:59] <trung> oh and Yakuake would be my favorite application ever if it wasn't for the fact that creating new tab doesn't keep the same directory
[08:59] <trung> :(
[09:00] <hateball> well if you disabled nepomuk, of course krunner wont work properly
[09:00] <trung> well I like KDE but nepomuk/akonadi would make everything unusable :/
[09:00] <trung> CPU spikes too often
[09:00] <hateball> have you done any distro upgrades since? nepomuk is not a pig any longer
[09:00] <hateball> more like a... piglet :p
[09:01] <hateball> It used to be it reindexed everything on reboot for instance, no longer the case
[09:02] <trung> I remember it not being so bad some time ago, then (I don't remember when anymore) it started slowing down again and I had to give up
[09:02] <trung> plus I didn't feel like I was benefitting a lot from it honestly
[09:02] <valorie> nepomuk is on the way out anyway
[09:03] <valorie> turn it on, let baloo take over, and enjoy
[09:04] <trung> do you have the same problem with Yakuake? Where new tabs would not keep the old one's folder?
[09:05] <valorie> I don't want the old folder, so I don't see that as a problem
[09:07] <hateball> I don't use yakuake, but maybe you can set it to open the new tab in $(pwd) ?
[09:09] <hateball> in konsole that is: konsole --new-tab --workdir $(pwd)
[09:09] <hateball> if one likes tabs, that is
[09:10] <trung> yakuake seems to be based on konsole (I don't know how it works honestly) but they emulate the tabs in a different way from konsole
[09:12] <trung> there doesn't seem to be an option to do what you described
[09:12] <trung> but why don't you like tabs? They seem awfully useful for me
[09:14] <valorie> I use them occasionally
[09:17] <hateball> trung: I like tabs, I was just saying. If you dont, dont use --new-tab :p
[09:18] <hateball> my only annoyance with konsole is that it all runs as the same process, even if you open new windows
[09:18] <hateball> and so --new-tab will open in the first opened window, not the current one -_-
[10:22] <Anpu> hi, would be better to install Kubuntu OS on SSD and keep my /home or data disk on HDD ?
[10:28] <Walex> Anpu: depends entirely on what you do with one or the other. Many small files frequently accessed? SSD is better.
[10:29] <Walex> Anpu: and of couse on how big SSD, root partition and '/home'.
[10:37] <Anpu> Walex: I was thinking to install Kubuntu on SSD for additinal performance (right?) then throw my large files on HDD but I can also create on SSD /var/name folder to which I could link some dot folders from my home (.cache and similar - if this is ok, any recommendations whixh would be the best?)
[10:37] <Anpu> and your "many small files accesses frequently" sounds just like OS activity
[10:38] <hateball> If you're brave, you can use btrfs and hot relocation
[10:38] <Walex> Anpu: that depends what you do with the OS files.
[10:38] <Walex> Anpu: and whether for example you have Maildir mailboxes
[10:39] <Anpu> hateball: hehe it was offered earlier (and now on default) on opensuse but I wasn't really feeling safe with it, thus returned to ext4
[10:39] <Anpu> Walex: right, got it. Thanks for help!
[10:39] <hateball> there is also the option of bcache
[10:40] <Anpu> actually now that I think, /tmp might be a faolder with large files sometimes
[10:40] <Anpu> folder*
[10:44] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:46] <Anpu> I believe I ll set everything go on SSD /home included but will mount HDD in /home/data for example. And that should do I believe
[10:46] <Anpu> morning BluesKaj
[10:46] <Walex> Anpu: that may be a sensible compromise.
[10:48] <BluesKaj> hi Anpu
[10:55] <ussher_> Anpu: thats how I've got mine.  works great.
[11:12] <Boogcelot> Hi!
[11:12] <Boogcelot> I need your help!
[11:13] <Boogcelot> any expert on "can't read superblock" error?
[11:16] <Walex> Boogcelot: read 'dmesg' it will most likely tell you why.
[11:18] <Boogcelot> pfu
[11:18] <Boogcelot> device reported invalid CHS sector 0
[11:27] <Walex> Boogcelot: that's rather sad.
[11:27] <Boogcelot> :)
[11:27] <Walex> Boogcelot: either the device is completely dead or it is not connected correctly. If it is not a physical device it is misconfigured.
[11:27] <Boogcelot> oh...
[11:28] <Boogcelot> so it means the hdd is damaged?
[11:28] <Walex> Boogcelot: it is unlikely that it is just sector 0 that is dead.
[11:28] <Walex> Boogcelot: who knows? too few details.
[11:29] <Boogcelot> I could tell you more about the error :)
[11:29] <Walex> Boogcelot: have a look at the outputs of 'hdparm -I /dev/...' and 'smartctl -A /dev/...' to get an idea.
[11:29] <Boogcelot> it's just that it's very long
[11:29] <Walex> Boogcelot: put it in bpaste.net
[11:30] <Boogcelot> so, for smartctl -A
[11:30] <Boogcelot> the result is
[11:30] <Boogcelot> Probable ATA device behind a SAT layer
[11:31] <Boogcelot> then I continue with smartctl -A -d ata
[11:31] <Boogcelot> "Read Device identity failed: permission denied"
[11:31] <Walex> Boogcelot: so you are hiding several crucial facts about your configuration.
[11:32] <Boogcelot> tell me Walex the details tha tyou need
[11:32] <Boogcelot> I will try my best to provide everything :D
[11:33] <Boogcelot> I had a NAS Iomega device which doesn't work anymore. The hard drive is from there.
[11:34] <Walex> Boogcelot: that looks like a dead drive, guessing wildly. BTW this is not the right channel for that, ##hardware or ##Linux are far more appropriate.
[11:34] <Walex> Boogcelot: also, how is your maybe-dead drive connected to your PC?
[11:34] <Boogcelot> directly via SATA cable
[11:35] <Walex> then 'smartctl -A' would not be saying that. Unless the drive is really completely dead.
[11:35] <Walex> Boogcelot: does it get listed by 'lsscsi'
[11:36] <Boogcelot> what is Isscsi? sorry for asking... :|
[11:37] <Walex> Boogcelot: "lsscsi" the first letter is ell
[11:39] <Boogcelot> I don't get exactly what you want me to do :|
[12:16] <dougl> BluesKaj, "You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these.
[12:16] <dougl> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:16] <dougl>  xserver-xorg-video-all : Depends: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau but it is not installed" is my error on dist-upgrade after I have installed nvidia drivers and I know -f will fix is but I dont want to lose my nvidia drivers so I am not sure if I have to manually uninstall xserver-xorg-video-all
[12:22] <BluesKaj> dougl, if the nvidia driver is working ( nouveau is the default nvidia driver) then you casn reinstall the nvidia optional driver from additional drivers if the nouveau driver becomes default...blacklisting the nouveau is an option , but then it's no longer a fall back in the additional driver breaks
[12:23] <BluesKaj> if the additional driver breaks, that is
[12:24] <dougl> so I can safely -f to fix and I would still be usining nvidia but nouveau is back up?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:25] <dougl> thank you my friend appreciate the help - gonna do that right now
[12:45] <trung_> does anyone use Synapse launcher? How does it look for applications?
[12:46] <trung_> I tried putting some .desktop files in /etc/share/applications and ~/.local/share/applications but it couldn't find those
[12:46] <trung_> (these do show up on KDE application menu)
[12:46] <trung_> it can easily find other applications i.e. those installed via the marketplace or apt-get
[12:55] <dougl> Hey BluesKaj, thanks wasn't doing the updates until I had that issue resolved - thanks for the help... I gotta run and finnish painting my church just wanted you to feel used, abused and appreciated :)
[12:56] <BluesKaj> dougl, good luck with the painting :)
[12:56] <dougl> Thanks :0
[12:56] <dougl> err :P
[13:01] <pramiti> I have kdelib5 dev version 4.11 installed.. can u tell how to install new version ?
[13:04] <pramiti> while doing cmake its gives me following error : http://pastebin.com/jHqUeQne
[13:04] <Raeth> test
[13:05] <Pici> failed
[13:16] <Raeth> lol
[13:23] <pramiti> i am getting following error : please help
[13:24] <pramiti> i am not able to upload higher version ?? using sudo apt-get update
[13:31] <BluesKaj> pramiti, after updating , run sudo apt-get upgrade and make sure you have kubuntu backports enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:34] <pramiti> BlueKaj: wat exactly be the line in sources.list ?
[13:34] <pramiti> deb http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[13:34] <pramiti> i have this line in the file
[13:36] <BluesKaj> pramiti, it contains this,  archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/xxxxx backports , xxxx being your OS version
[13:36] <Walex> pramiti: your question is way too ambiguous.
[13:37] <Walex> pramiti: are you trying to upgrade the version of KDE?
[13:38] <pramiti> Walex: i was installing kdepimlibs using cmake and it was giving me following error : it requires higher version of kdelibs5-dev
[13:38] <BluesKaj> now he tells us
[13:39] <pramiti> BluesKaj: deb http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy-backports main restricted universe multiverse   then this is the backport mentioned in source.list
[13:39] <Walex> pramiti: then you are a very advanced developer who understands very well how to build KDE, and we cannot be so presumptuous as to teach you how to do it.
[13:40] <BluesKaj> yeah thats it , but you didn't say you were compiling from source instead pramiti
[13:40] <pramiti> Walex: no i was doing because of to build a patch in kmail which requires kdepimlibs..
[13:41] <Walex> pramiti: if you know KDE and its build system so well that you build your own backports, it is difficult to find help in this channel which is mostly for simple issues.
[13:42] <BluesKaj> pramiti, ok well you're obviously on the right track since the backports don't have what you require, but you could have told us that first
[13:42] <Walex> pramiti: however if what you want is newer versions of KDE, the semi-official Kubuntu KDE PPA can give you precompiled packages.
[13:43] <pramiti> i was an trying to build  build a patch for bugs regarding kde.. I have just started as open source contributor .. like for example this : https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=kmail
[13:43] <pramiti> I have kubuntu 13.01
[13:43] <pramiti> 13.10
[13:43] <pramiti> i just want newer version of kdelibs5-dev
[13:44] <Walex> pramiti: then perhaps you can discuss this on #KDE-devel. Probably they will advise you to develop against a full current version of the KDE sources.
[13:44] <Walex> pramiti: alternatively you can download the relevant source-deb packages, add a patch to those, and rebuild.
[13:44] <Walex> pramiti: alternatively you can download the relevant source-deb packages for 13.10, add a patch to those, and rebuild.
[13:45] <Walex> pramiti: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpdatingADeb for example
[13:46] <pramiti> Walex : i want to know if i install a package of version 12.01 and try to install using installaion manager ..it says older version installed.. and if i remove older version.. it still say u have older version install
[13:47] <Walex> pramiti: if you are trying to mix versions from sources and from packages you are a very advanced developer capable of doing very subtle tricks and I can't help with that.
[13:47] <pramiti> Walex: ohh okk.. no i am totally new ... i am not sure what should i do..
[13:48] <Walex> pramiti: the first thing would be to ask questions of the form "I have setuo this ... and I get this exact error message .... when I try to do ...." :-)
[13:49] <Walex> pramiti: but it seems that your goal is to contribute patches to KDE (you may be one of the IIT students with an assignment like that, guessing wildly).
[13:49] <pramiti> Walex: yes.. :)
[13:50] <Walex> pramiti: if your goal is to contribute patches, probably the best idea is to use the pre-packages sources debs corresponding to the distribution release you have, unpack them, rebuild them, and all will be consistent and give you no trouble,
[13:50] <Walex> pramiti: you first test should be to understand how to rebuild a source .deb for KDE without doing any modifications to it.
[13:50] <pramiti> next time ill definetly ask question properly :)
[13:51] <Walex> pramiti: since you would be using source .debs that have been used to build the same version binary .debs, it will all work nice.
[13:51]  * Walex is an optimist
[13:52] <Walex> have you tried doing that 'apt-get source ....' command?
[13:53] <BluesKaj>  uhm yeah, in best case scenario Walex ")
[13:53] <pramiti> Walex : umm i have done sudo pat-get update and upgrade
[13:53] <Walex> BluesKaj: every other alternative is far worse, and these IIT students have only 6-8 weeks to do their project
[13:54] <Walex> pramiti: perfect, after 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade' you have the lastest *binary* packages.
[13:55] <Walex> pramiti: pramiti now please find which source package was used to build the binary package you want to enhance, and follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpdatingADeb
[13:57] <pramiti> Walex: okk :)
[13:57] <pramiti> thanxs 4 help :)
[13:58] <Walex> pramiti: people in the West have a high opinion of IIT students: http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2003-09-15/
[13:58] <Walex> BluesKaj: is there a less painful way to add a patch to a Kubuntu KDE package than that? I hope there is :-).
[13:59] <pramiti> ohh lol  X)
[13:59] <Walex> pramiti: to find the source package there is a search tool here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[13:59] <Walex> pramiti: to find the source package there is a search tool here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Walex, not sure, I don't compile/patch much. I'm a home user with no coding or pc language/software education
[14:02]  * Walex backports patches to .debs at work to maintain local forks
[14:04] <pramiti> Walex: ohh this is nice.. can u tell me ubuntu and kubuntu have same packages version ?
[14:04] <pramiti> or one os more updated than the other ?
[14:05] <Walex> pramiti: they use almost entirely the same archives. They are just different menus of packages from the same archives.
[14:05]  * BluesKaj is an old windows user who discovered linux after retirement
[14:05] <pramiti> Walex : ok :)
[14:07] <Walex> pramiti: http://search.dilbert.com/search?w=indian%20institute&method=and&isort=date&view=list
[14:08] <Walex> pramiti: another "package rebuild" HOWTO: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/rebuilding-ubuntu-debian-linux-binary-package/
[14:27] <tekkbuzz> pramiti: have you tried also  apt-get dist-upgrade   and/or   do-release-upgrade   which would bring you to the latest release.
[14:28] <tekkbuzz> ^^ ?
[14:28] <pramiti> tekkbuzz.. yes i have tried.. the latest version is 4.11.5.. and it require 4.12..
[14:29] <tekkbuzz> ahh, okay, carry-on then.
[14:30] <BluesKaj> tekkbuzz, do-release-upgrade tries to upgrade the OS to the next official release which in 13.10 will not do anything
[14:34] <tekkbuzz> BluesKaj: guess I didn't follow the thread close enough :)
[14:36] <BluesKaj> tekkbuzz, he\s compiling from source anyway since he needs a patch for kmail
[14:39] <Walex> pramiti: why does it require 4.12? If you are using the 4.11.5 source .debs that's not a problem.
[14:39] <Walex> BluesKaj: he is trying to _write_ a patch for KMail.
[14:39] <Walex> pramiti: also note the existance of the 4.12 backports from the PPA.
[14:40] <BluesKaj> Walex, ok noted
[14:40] <Walex> pramiti: also note that only very experienced developers would mix non-Kubuntu sources with Kubuntu binary packages.
[14:41] <BluesKaj> this discussion is better off in kubuntu-devel IMO
[14:43] <pramiti> Walex: yes i should use the backports instead.. http://www.noobslab.com/2014/01/install-kde-412-in-ubuntulinux.html
[14:49] <moixe> holaaa
[14:49] <moixe> algun español por aqui?
[14:49] <BluesKaj> !es
[14:58] <pramiti> i am trying this command : sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports and it is giving me following error : Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports'. Please check that the PPA name or format is correct.
[15:11] <guestVjGfe8> hi
[15:12] <guestVjGfe8> koi
[15:21] <pramiti> i am trting to install kde 12.0 backports sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports and i am getting following error : Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports'. Please check that the PPA name or format is correct.
[15:27] <Walex> try without "backports".
[15:28] <pramiti> Walex : same error
[15:37] <JoshStrobl> Hey, anyone know why kUbuntu 14.04 Beta 2 is booting into KDE Plasma Active tablet view for me? I have guest additions installed. Anyone to manually switch out of Active?
[15:45] <JoshStrobl> nvm got it working
[15:49] <Walex> pramiti: strange. Try adding these two lines to '/etc/apt/sources.list': http://paste.ubuntu.com/7203781/
[17:58] <thor_> anybody else get a dbus error after last update?
[18:43] <rohan> are people having problems with desktop effects and KDE on kubuntu 14.04?
[18:43] <rohan> all my desktop effects are broken
[18:43] <rohan> panel transparency is broken
[18:45] <BluesKaj> rohan, if you're using OpenGL and raster in desktop effects, you might have those problems with intel graphics, nvidia seems immune to these problems
[18:46] <rohan> BluesKaj: yep, intel. and effects like cover switch for window switcher is broken
[18:46] <rohan> wifi and networkingmanager also broken for people?
[18:47] <BluesKaj> not with broadcom
[18:48] <rohan> hm.. i think it's more a NM issue than an intel driver issue
[18:49] <BluesKaj> rohan, well my old desktops with nvidia graphics don't have any problems
[18:49] <rohan> ah, scratch that, wifi just started working after a dist-upgrade.
[18:49] <rohan> i have an intel-nvidia hybrid (optimus)
[18:49] <BluesKaj> oh that's different
[18:52] <BluesKaj> also rohan , 14.04 questions are best asked in #ubuntu+1
[18:52] <rohan> BluesKaj: correct, but there is no one around to answer them there :)
[18:52] <rohan> do you know if there is a bug tracking all the intel issues?
[18:54] <BluesKaj> not sure
[18:55] <rohan> thanks, BluesKaj :)
[19:05] <snele> rohan: I don't have optimus system, but i have read that it works in 14.04
[19:05] <snele> rohan: you have to install nvidia-prime package and latest nvidia driver from driver manager
[19:06] <snele> rohan: as for desktop effect you can try with resetting kwin to its defaults
[19:06] <rohan> snele: i have a feeling it's an intel issue that's going around
[19:06] <snele> rm ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc
[19:07] <snele> then kwin --replace
[19:07] <rohan> and nvidia-prime does not do power management does it?
[19:07] <snele> rohan: I don't know. I just read that "optimus works great" in 14.04 ;)
[19:09] <snele> rohan: many people have problems with desktop effects on kubuntuforums: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?65055-KWin-crashes-using-OpenGL-w-kernel-3-13-0-20
[19:09] <snele> with intel drivers
[19:09] <rohan> aha.. thanks snele
[19:09] <snele> workaround is to boot with older kernel
[19:11] <rohan> snele: why, apt-get helpfully autoremoved that kernel for me!
[19:48] <Addle> I had hit this bug with intel, where the window contents were black: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/1283820   Had to disable compositing.
[20:20] <pramiti> I am trying to install backports using sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa and i am getting following error : Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports'. Please check that the PPA name or format is correct.
[20:21] <pramiti> please help
[20:26] <Addle> pramiti: Should it not then be: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports ?
[20:27] <pramiti> Addle: ohh yes i have tried this command only.. same error
[20:28] <Addle> I can definitely say that the PPA line I just gave you is correct. What version of the distro are you on?
[20:29] <pramiti> kubuntu 13.10
[20:29] <pramiti> yes i too think its correct. there is some other problem
[20:30] <pramiti> I have widows 8 and kubuntu 13.10
[20:30] <Addle> Indeed. Very strange.
[20:30] <pramiti> Addle : i tried this solution: http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/fix-cannot-add-ppa-please-check-that.html
[20:30] <Addle> I assume you can, say, ping www.google.com ?
[20:30] <pramiti> but this doesnt work..
[20:30] <pramiti> Addle: yes net is working properly
[20:33] <Addle> pramiti: Can you 'ping keyserver.ubuntu.com' ?
[20:34] <pramiti> Addle: no
[20:34] <Addle> pramiti: Ahah, that might be the issue...
[20:34] <DLP2> how's it going people?
[20:35] <Addle> The key should be fetched from http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2836CB0A8AC93F7A
[20:35] <Addle> DLP2: Good, you?
[20:35] <DLP2> awesome!
[20:35] <DLP2> lovin' linux
[20:35] <Addle> Excellent XD
[20:35] <pramiti> Addle: i tried wget www.google.com its working but ping google.com is not working
[20:36] <Addle> If you can get that key at the URL I gave and put it in a file, you should be able to add it manually, but if you can't get to the keyserver, that's the real problem to be solved.
[20:36] <pramiti> it shows unknown host while ping. but wget www,google.com shows no problem
[20:37] <pramiti> Addle: I should store the file at ?
[20:38] <pramiti> Addle: i am able to store using wget keyserver.ubuntu.com
[20:38] <pramiti> but it stores the html page
[20:38] <Addle> pramiti: Ok, looking for the command to add it manually. Been a while :)
[20:38] <Addle> pramiti: Yeah, you need to wget http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2836CB0A8AC93F7A
[20:39] <Addle> Ahah
[20:40] <Addle> Let's say you saved the key as key.txt, then do: sudo apt-key add ./key.txt
[20:40] <Addle> key.txt in your current directory, of course, probably your home dir.
[20:41] <Addle> You can then add these lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list:
[20:41] <Addle> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu saucy main
[20:41] <Addle> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu saucy main
[20:43] <pramiti> Addle: shpuld it be ~/.key.txt ?
[20:43] <Addle> pramiti: I'd suggest ~/key.txt
[20:44] <Addle> pramiti: But either will work. You can just delete the key file when you've done importing it.
[20:45] <pramiti> Addle: it says sudo apt-key add ./key.txt gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[20:45] <pramiti> i mean when i did sudo command its says no valid OpenPGP found
[20:46] <Addle> If you saved it as ~/key.txt, then also do sudo apt-key add ~/key.txt
[20:46] <Addle> Also take a look in the file and make sure it's a proper key. Should start with the line "-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----"
[20:47] <pramiti> Addle: okk done.. then nest step is to add repositories ?
[20:47] <Addle> pramiti: Yep
[20:47] <pramiti> Addle: someone told me before never to make changes in source.list. should i still do ?
[20:47] <Addle> Just add the two lines I gave into your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Probably at the end.
[20:48] <Addle> Yeah, just don't mess up other lines. And always a good idea to make a backup first.
[20:48] <Addle> You can also probably add it using synaptic or other such package manager, if you want.
[20:50] <Addle> Normally, you don't have to do that, since add-apt-repository does it.
[20:52] <pramiti> Addle: still the same error :(
[20:53] <Addle> Alas, I have company and I have to bail on this one, for now.
[20:53] <Addle> Perhaps someone else will kick in and figure out what the heck is going on with your system. :)
[20:53] <pramiti> Addle: ok :(
[20:55] <pramiti> okk..
[20:55] <pramiti> I am trying to install backports using sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa and i am getting following error : Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports'. Please check that the PPA name or format is correct.
[20:57] <Addle> pramiti: Oh, don't add-apt-repository again. It'll just import the key (which I thought you'd done) and add the lines I gave you to your sources.list. After that, just update the package list and off you go.
[20:58] <pramiti> Addle: what command should i write ? sudo apt-get update ?
[21:00] <Addle> pramiti: Yes
[21:00] <OerHeks> pramiti, show us the output on paste.ubuntu.com
[21:01] <pramiti> OerHeks: output of which command ?
[21:02] <OerHeks> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:10] <pramiti> OerHeks: http://pastebin.com/kj9YUtLd for sudo apt-get update
[22:04] <Guest51773> g'day   all....need help with sound first, startup issues maybe later
[22:06] <Guest51773> anyone alert, or is everyone just parked?
[22:06] <valorie> Guest51773: what problem with sound?
[22:07] <valorie> it helps to state the problem clearly
[22:07] <Guest51773> one of my sound cards (one I normally use) isn't even showing up
[22:07] <Guest51773> sometimes neither show up as listed
[22:07] <valorie> which kubuntu are you running?
[22:07] <Guest51773> latest lts version i believe
[22:07] <valorie> lts, saucy, trusty?
[22:08] <valorie> ah, 12.10 then
[22:08] <Guest51773> yep
[22:08] <valorie> have you any reason to suspect that it is software rather than hardware problems?
[22:09] <Guest51773> installed it around xmastime, and thought I had the video card's sound permanently depreciated,
[22:09] <Guest51773> valorie: not sure, reinstalling phonon didn't work
[22:10] <valorie> I wouldn't imagine that would affect things one way or the other
[22:10] <valorie> might be time to vacuum out the box and check all the connections
[22:10] <Guest51773> valorie: it was working fine this aft, then a youtube video crashed, I had to hardboot, and hasn't worked since
[22:10] <valorie> very suspicious that the cards appear and disappear randomly
[22:11] <valorie> if the cards themselves are fine, I'd look at the cables
[22:11] <valorie> once you verify that your hardware is good, then you can start software troubleshooting
[22:11] <valorie> !sound
[22:11] <Guest51773> valorie: I do think the cards are fine, yes
[22:12] <valorie> I've seen connectors be the problem more often
[22:12] <valorie> connectors/cables
[22:12] <Guest51773> or rather, the on-mobo sound is fine, I don't want to use the on-video-card sound that does show up the most often
[22:13] <valorie> right
[22:13] <Guest51773> it is the mobo-sound that the speakers are connected to, after all
[22:15] <valorie> you will probably find `alsamixer` and `pavucontrol` useful
[22:15] <valorie> both of which you'll have to install
[22:15] <valorie> alsamixer works in the konsole, using arrow keys and such
[22:16] <valorie> pavucontrol works on pulseaudio, which is where sound is controlled
[22:18] <Guest51773> ,k, I just did the pacmd-->list-sinks, and only the ati-cedar card is showing up -- not the mobo-via driver I want
[22:19] <Guest51773> I've used alsamixer before, not the pavulcontrol...never tried the pacmd until now
[22:19] <valorie> like I said, opening up your box can save you a lot of software troubleshooting time, Guest51773
[22:20] <valorie> and if everything looks good, you only have scratches on your hands
[22:20] <Guest51773> valorie: I know, as I built this box myself, but since there are no internal cables anyway, there's not much point in that
[22:20] <valorie> ok
[22:21] <valorie> anyway, the writers of the pages linked to you above know way more than I do
[22:21] <valorie> although I've worked through them before and found them helpful in restoring sound
[22:22] <Guest51773> yeah, I've used them before myself for years, but they're not helping me much now, beyond what I already know
[22:23] <Guest51773> e.g. aplay -l is listing only the ati-cedar device, which I already knew...the via sound isn't showing up
[22:23] <valorie> perhaps #solid can help more, since it seems to be a problem with detecting devices available
[22:24] <valorie> (kde channel)
[22:24] <Guest51773> thx, i'd never heard of that channel
[22:24] <valorie> good luck!
[22:24] <Guest51773> thank you for trying
[22:25] <valorie> nothing worse than crappy sound
[22:25] <valorie> my sympathy
[22:25] <Guest51773> or none at all, heheh