[02:50] <paul_____> hello
[02:51] <paul_____> Recently installed ubuntu-touch on Nexus 5...
[03:13] <Bray90820> Would this be a good place to get help with loading ubuntu with 3rd party boot loaders
[03:35] <Mirv> slangasek: it seems that -c0 line hasn't been touched since the initial packaging in 2012 (http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/qt/qtbase.git;a=commit;h=9376975341a7aab662d3ffdc3a79b04bbd41749e) and was seemingly copied from qt4-x11
[03:47] <nhaines> Bray90820: on the desktop?  No, that'd be askubuntu.com or #ubuntu, probably.
[03:50] <rww> assuming you mean ubuntu on phone, #ubuntu's usual response to that is "lol go ask #ubuntu-touch"
[05:19] <slangasek> Mirv: ok.  I also found when I looked more closely that debian/rules was ignoring the return values of all the dh_makeshlibs calls except the last one... ;)  I'll be throwing patches towards the Ubuntu package branch soonish
[05:39] <duflu> slangasek: That systemd assert/crash, shouldn't something like that have rules to generate crash reports?
[05:40] <duflu> Oops, wrong channel
[05:45] <slangasek> duflu: well, there's a default rule that certainly should have covered it.  However, with logind failing, consolekit is probably also broken, so maybe the user is never given an opportunity to approve crash report submissions <sigh>
[06:56] <dholbach> good morning
[06:58] <mihir> dholbach, good Morning :)
[06:58] <dholbach> hi mihir
[06:58] <mihir> dholbach, hello :)
[08:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Walk to Work Day! :-D
[10:02] <dholbach> pitti, didrocks, jibel: do you know who could help give some answers to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=333041?
[10:53] <facundobatista> ogra_, ping, good morning! question: I'm using ubuntu-emulator... and since today it's starting with no network at all (I get the "Network" list empty, and in the notification I see the wifi signal all turned off and with a small x in the lower right corner)
[10:54] <facundobatista> ogra_, do you have an idea of how can I debug what's going on and try to get the network back in there?
[10:54] <facundobatista> ogra_, thanks!!
[10:56] <ogra_> facundobatista, i dont think the indicator ever showed any network connections ... the emulator doesnt emulate any mobile connections
[10:57] <ogra_> (including wlan)
[10:57] <ogra_> afaik it only has a virtual ethernet device the UI wont show you
[10:58] <facundobatista> ogra_, ah, ok, so it *should* have an internet connection even if the indicator is like that and Network list empty?
[10:58] <ogra_> right
[10:58] <facundobatista> ogra_, ah, fantastic, thank you very much!!
[11:36] <anpok> how can I restore the android bootloader?
[11:36] <ogra_> the bootloader ?
[11:37] <anpok> seems like I manage to break it
[11:37] <ogra_> err, how ?
[11:37] <anpok> no idea what caused it
[11:37] <ogra_> if you manage to break the bootloader you actually have a brick
[11:37] <anpok> only the bootloeader menu
[11:37] <ogra_> you cant boot with the volume down key held down ?
[11:37] <anpok> I mean - i can still boot the nexus 4
[11:38] <ogra_> ah
[11:38] <ogra_> so its not the bootloader
[11:38] <anpok> when I press volume +/- and power button after some time I see a red LED
[11:39] <ogra_> that is a dead battery
[11:39] <anpok> device is chared.. I can boot ubuntu touch..
[11:39] <ogra_> make sure to charge the device regulary on a wall charger (USB ports on a PC/laptop only provide 500mA)
[11:40] <anpok> oh
[11:40] <anpok> you are right
[11:40] <anpok> I had it plugged in a few hours this morning and i can enter the menu..
[11:40] <anpok> why would it refuse to go into that menu, but still boot ubuntu touch?
[11:46] <ogra_> anpok, i dont get what your issue is then, if ubuntu boots all should be fine ?
[12:06] <ffelgenh1> Hi *, I installed r250 on a nexus 7 right now with
[12:06] <ffelgenh1> ubuntu-device-flash --channel=trusty --bootstrap
[12:06] <ffelgenh1> is this correct when installing on a tablet? I could not find an of the special tablet things like sidestage or core apps adapted to landscape. Only karma machine has some landscape orientation mode.
[12:13] <greyback> ffelgenh1: nexus7 is still in forced portrait mode. As you saw, some apps support a landscape mode. We're working on this though
[12:21] <ffelgenh1> greyback: thanx!
[12:42] <dholbach> can anyone help give some answers to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=333041?
[12:58] <dholbach> In 2m (13 UTC) we're going to have a feedback session about our HTML5 App Dev story on http://ubuntuonair.com/  - just a quick reminder.
[13:03] <dholbach> we're hanging out on #ubuntu-on-air - so feel free to ask your questions there and give your feedback there
[13:21] <ogra_> stgraber, bug 1302174
[13:21] <ogra_> oh, i should update the title
[13:22] <ogra_> changed :P
[13:58] <grepped> Hi, what are hardware requirements for ubuntu-touch
[14:01] <grepped> what are minimum hardware requirements for ubuntu-touch
[14:02] <pmcgowan> grepped, best results would be 1ghz+ processor and 2GB mem bit it could run with less
[14:05] <grepped> pmcgown, I thought of working on Ubuntu-touch port on my LG-P500. It has RAM of 512MB. But according to you, it seems to be far less than required
[14:16] <pmcgowan> grepped, it can work with 512MB but we do not have a current reference design with that much memory so no recent testing I know of, you could look at the ported devices list to see if others have done so
[14:17] <grepped> are you guys doing development in C++?
[14:18] <grepped> pmcgowan, I checked devices list. I could not find any device with 512MB RAM. All are on and above 1GB RAM.
[14:19] <annerajb> hello everybody
[14:19] <grepped> pmcgowan, I think I should give a try? what do you suggest?
[14:20] <JamesTait> pstolowski, I've updated the wiki page for Click Package Index with the proposed format for collections.  Not all the edits are done yet, and I could do with running it by a couple of other people, but I think it should be enough to get you started: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppStore/Interfaces/ClickPackageIndex#Departments
[14:20] <pmcgowan> grepped, it would be interesting to see if you are willing
[14:20] <JamesTait> alecu, ^^
[14:20] <annerajb> rsalveti, can I start porting 4.2 based devices now and is there a updated documentation for it??
[14:21] <rsalveti> you can already start porting to 4.4, we just need to update the doc =\
[14:21] <annerajb> rsalveti, is the process different than the doc by great lenghts??
[14:21] <brendand> is the new app switcher in -proposed or is it in devel now as well?
[14:21] <rsalveti> not much, no
[14:21] <grepped> pmcgowan, thanks! Do you want to point me to any particular beginners documentation?
[14:22] <annerajb> rsalveti, how do you specify that it has to checkout the 4.4 framework? is there a argument you pass?
[14:22] <pmcgowan> grepped, look at the porting guide in the topic if you have not
[14:22] <annerajb> or i have to go and update the repo.xml so it checksout a different branch?
[14:23] <rsalveti> repo init -u https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/p/aosp/platform/manifest.git -b phablet-4.4.2_r1
[14:23] <pmcgowan> rsalveti, what do you think about a port to a device with 512MB
[14:23] <pstolowski> JamesTait, thank you
[14:23] <rsalveti> different manifest
[14:23] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: port should be fine, might just be an issue to run unity8 properly
[14:24] <rsalveti> but you can try to enable swap or zram
[14:24] <pmcgowan> grepped, ^^
[14:24] <pstolowski> JamesTait, I think in the departments section, the part which returns "Content-Type: application/json; " is a leftover from previous approach? the correct one is with "Accept: application/hal+json" ?
[14:25] <JamesTait> pstolowski, that's correct.  Sorry, I should also have referred to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppStore/Interfaces/ClickPackageIndex#Response_Format
[14:25] <JamesTait> pstolowski, it's really just to maintain backward compatibility.
[14:26] <pstolowski> JamesTait, ah, I see
[14:26]  * JamesTait -> school run, etc.
[14:28] <grepped> pmcgowan, rsalveti, based on your comments, not sure if I should go for it
[14:29] <pmcgowan> grepped, right, better to find a different target and have it work well
[14:30] <grepped> pmcgowan, thanks. Which handset are you using for ubuntu touch? which one do you suggest? I will go for it if possible
[14:31] <pmcgowan> grepped, Nexus 4
[14:31] <pmcgowan> there is also a Nexus 5 port done by someone in the community
[14:32] <rickspencer3> hey scopers, if I am getting this error:
[14:32] <rickspencer3> Caught an error from create_query(): unity::scopes::TimeoutException: Request timed out after 300 milliseconds
[14:32] <grepped> ok
[14:32] <rickspencer3> shall I assume that means I have a call in my code that is blocking too long?
[14:33] <rickspencer3> seems I get that if I uncomment this: QDomDocument fridgeDoc;
[14:33] <alecu> JamesTait: great, thanks!
[14:35] <ogra_> stgraber, well, what do you suggest how to get any info about cgmanager if the system hardlocks beacuse of it
[14:36] <stgraber> ogra_: do you have a /var/log/upstart/cgmanager.log?
[14:36] <ogra_> stgraber, 4 people have been running reboots for the last two days to even get the info that reverting it fixes the hardlocks
[14:36] <stgraber> ogra_: booting the system in debug mode would be nice too so we could figure out what upstart is doing
[14:37] <stgraber> ogra_: I'm not saying there isn't a bug, I'm just saying we don't know what it is or where it is yet
[14:37] <ogra_> stgraber, right
[14:38] <ogra_> stgraber, i dont think it is necessarily cgmanager itself though
[14:38] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7203516/
[14:38] <ogra_> here is the log
[14:38] <rsalveti> got a bunch of cgmanager segfault when it tries to start on the emulator
[14:38] <ogra_> the system ran with debug for quite a while
[14:38] <rsalveti> need to debug that as well
[14:39] <ogra_> rsalveti, well. see bug 1302174 ... thats the one that killed the lab
[14:39] <rsalveti> interesting
[14:39] <stgraber> rsalveti: ah, a segfault seems nice, especially if you can get a coredump out of it somehow
[14:39] <ogra_> stgraber, in fact i first thought it is udev (and i still think it is involved)
[14:40] <ogra_> stgraber, since it started to massively impact us with image 274 where udev changed from 204-5ubuntu13 to 204-5ubuntu14
[14:41] <ogra_> there were apparently crashes before that since we switched to cgmanager (more than with cgroup-lite), but not at that frequency
[14:41] <ogra_> stgraber, it might even be that our re-ordered boot (udev only starting after the container etc) has impact
[14:42] <ogra_> but its clear that reverting to cgroups-lite fixes it
[14:42] <ogra_> *cgroup-lite
[14:42] <stgraber> ogra_: yeah, unfortunately reverting to cgroup-lite isn't something we can live with for very long... we're still working on getting upstart to use cgmanager
[14:43] <rsalveti> stgraber: will try to get the crash file
[14:43] <ogra_> stgraber, right, but we needed the lab back up ... thats why i opened the cgmanager task on the bug
[14:43] <stgraber> rsalveti: thanks. I'm updating my mako here to try and figure out what's going on
[14:43] <ogra_> and uploaded the lxc-android-config revert for now
[14:53] <sil2100> kgunn: hi!
[14:54] <kgunn> sil2100: yo!
[14:55] <sil2100> kgunn: so, not sure if michi or Mirv poked you about that already, but we have that unity8 crasher that's appearing on autopilot test runs
[15:02] <nik90> Ursinha: ping
[15:02] <nik90> Ursinha: (about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1253836)
[15:03] <sil2100> kgunn: sorry, got context-switched - anyway, regarding that crasher
[15:03] <sil2100> kgunn: michi had a look at that one and said it look like a Mir bug in the end, and Mirv filled in a better crash file and trace as a separate bug
[15:04] <sil2100> kgunn: so, we suspect two bugs showing the same issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1256360 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1302550 (the new bug)
[15:05] <sil2100> Ah, I see LP already made it a duplicate now, it wasn't still 15 minutes ago
[15:05] <sil2100> kgunn: anyway, could you assign someone to that to take a look? I heard that management was thinking of making that a 'blocker'
[15:06] <kgunn> sil2100: i'm following...but on the phone
[15:06] <kgunn> will get on it
[15:06] <sil2100> Thanks :)
[15:21] <stgraber> ogra_: so it looks like the current proposed image has a broken systemd/logind so that won't help. I'm now manually updating everything in it to current trusty except for lxc-android-config, then will check that all the upstart jobs look sane and after that try your script to see if I can get it to hang.
[15:21] <ogra_> stgraber, new image is building atm
[15:21] <ogra_> should be ready in 45min or so
[15:21] <stgraber> ogra_: yeah but I don't want the new lxc-android-config
[15:22] <ogra_> well, trivial to change back :)
[15:23] <ogra_> stgraber, the prob is really that you can only trigger the issue every 80 boots or so ... it will be very time consuming
[15:32] <stgraber> ogra_: oh, right, so I forgot that ubuntu touch had a pretty old kernel and so you're using cgproxy as well as cgmanager, the lxc-android-config start condition is therefore wrong. Let me fix that before I stress test it
[15:32] <ogra_> stgraber, so it should have been cgproxy ?
[15:32] <ogra_> will that not eat precious boot time ?
[15:33]  * ogra_ is on a quest for faster boots :)
[15:35] <stgraber> ogra_: whether you need to start after cgmanager or cgproxy depends on the kernel you use, so I'm adding an extra upstart event that can be reliably used for that
[15:36] <stgraber> ogra_: cgproxy is single threaded, tiny and does nothing at start time, so it should basically only take the time required for an extra fork() and reading a few KBs from disk, nothing that should be visible
[15:36] <ogra_> stgraber, please dont roll back the lxc-android-config change before the next week though ... we have a massive backlog in testing due to all phones being dead in the lab
[15:37] <ogra_> ok, that sounds fine
[15:43] <stgraber> ogra_: so I think I managed to reproduce your hang, looks like a race between cgproxy and lxc, the rest of the system however seems to boot fine, you just don't get adb because it depends on the container being up
[15:43] <stgraber> trying to reproduce it again with adb starting on immediately on startup
[15:43] <ogra_> stgraber, nope, than it isnt the same hang
[15:44] <ogra_> stgraber, the hang we saw hung the device hard (we have an emergency adb in the image that fires off when the container cant start)
[15:46] <stgraber> ogra_: well, your backup adb assumes that cgmanager and cgproxy themselves start successfuly, otherwise lxc-android-config is never started so won't ever emit the failure to start
[15:47] <stgraber> I'm doing another batch of tests with adb starting on startup instead which should guarantee that if upstart starts at all, I'll get a shell
[15:47] <ogra_> oh, right
[15:47] <ogra_> cant fail if it never tries
[15:47] <stgraber> exactly
[15:48] <ogra_> i should probably switch over to it just having a timer ... if the container didnt start after $TIMEOUT we consider the boot broken and frie up the emergency shell
[15:49] <stgraber> yeah, that'd probably have helped quite a bit with this bug
[15:50] <rsalveti> ogra_: +1
[15:50] <ogra_> i*ll work on that next week ...
[15:50] <ogra_> (first i need to get that darn bootcharting done)
[16:02] <stgraber> ogra_: ok, so there was also a small race between cgmanager and cgproxy as their upstart jobs weren't quite right. I have now fixed all of that stuff and will run a reboot loop, hopefully things will work fine now.
[16:03] <ogra_> stgraber, \o/
[16:03] <stgraber> if they do, I'll upload the fix cgmanager and we can look into switch lxc-android-config back to cgmanager next week
[16:03] <ogra_> you rock !!!
[16:57] <tedg> jhodapp, So I grabbed silo6 and I'm not seeing the media player in the sound menu, do you expect it to be?
[16:57] <tedg> Or is that a future branch thing?
[16:58] <jhodapp> tedg, which menu are you referring to exactly?
[16:58] <tedg> jhodapp, The one in the top panel with the volume icon
[16:59] <jhodapp> tedg, I don't see that either, though I don't have anything to do with that feature
[16:59] <tedg> jhodapp, Is the media player exporting MPRIS?
[17:00] <jhodapp> tedg, no
[17:00] <tedg> jhodapp, Ah,okay. Will it soon? :-)
[17:00] <jhodapp> tedg: media-hub implements the MPRIS v2 interface (or most of it)
[17:01] <tedg> Ah, so a naming thing. Is the media-hub exporting the MPRIS interface on the bus in silo6?
[17:01] <jhodapp> tedg, yes, though there may be apparmor issues
[17:01] <tedg> jhodapp, Is media-hub confined?
[17:01] <jhodapp> tedg, jdstrand is looking into that right now
[17:02] <jhodapp> tedg, not sure...do we have a generic policy in place to confine by default and then relax things specifically? or is it the other way around?
[17:02] <tedg> No, it's the other way around.
[17:03] <jhodapp> tedg, hmm, then I don't know why it's not showing up...who wrote that menu functionality?
[17:03] <tedg> jhodapp, What name does the media hub register as?
[17:03] <sergiusens> tedg: media-hub isn't confined; it's started by upstart
[17:03] <sergiusens> app access to it may be though
[17:03] <tedg> jhodapp, Most recently me :-)
[17:04] <sergiusens> well, should be, as it's a new name on the bus that they would need to access
[17:04] <sergiusens> by upstart as part of the session that is
[17:04] <jhodapp> tedg, ok, let me get you the exported name string
[17:04] <ogra_> tedg, oh, so i can blame you that i have VLC and rhythmbox entries in that menu on my desktop ?
[17:04] <jhodapp> lol
[17:05] <tedg> ogra_, Heh, you're welcome to, but it's a feature not a bug :-)
[17:05] <ogra_> lol
[17:05] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, would be nice if they go wth nameownerlost :-)
[17:05] <ogra_> well, kind of "feature"
[17:05] <sergiusens> go away with nameownerlost
[17:05]  * ogra_ would prefer to only see the app he uses for music playback there 
[17:06] <jhodapp> tedg, "core.ubuntu.media.*" where * is Service, Player, etc
[17:06] <tedg> I don't see a media-hub running, do I need to explicitly install it?
[17:06] <jhodapp> tedg, yes
[17:06] <jhodapp> apt-get install media-hub
[17:07] <jhodapp> also qtubuntu-media
[17:07] <tedg> Okay, that should help me to see it :-)
[17:07] <jhodapp> tedg, yes indeed
[17:10] <tedg> Hmm, music doesn't work at all now :-(
[17:10] <tedg> My song is "NaN:NaN"
[17:11] <tedg> jhodapp, Do I need to install anything else?
[17:11] <jhodapp> tedg, did you uninstall the *touch packages for qtmultimedia?
[17:12] <tedg> No
[17:12] <jhodapp> purge those
[17:12] <jhodapp> dpkg --get-selections | grep touch will list all of them (plus others, should be obvious which ones)
[17:16] <tedg> Hmm, still not playing :-/
[17:17] <jhodapp> tedg, sure you're running media-hub-server?
[17:17] <tedg> Yes
[17:18] <tedg> No upstart log for it.
[17:18] <jhodapp> tedg: run it like this once: "GST_DEBUG=*:4 media-hub-server"
[17:18] <tedg> But there's no name registered in dbus
[17:18] <tedg> Segfault
[17:19] <jhodapp> tedg, you're missing the hybris side of things
[17:19] <jhodapp> tedg, you need a new system.img
[17:21] <jhodapp> tedg, check out http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/718015/
[17:21] <tedg> jhodapp, Hmm, that sounds harder :-)
[17:21] <jhodapp> tedg, it's not too bad
[17:21] <tedg> jhodapp, I think that's missing a digit?
[17:21] <jhodapp> tedg, oops yeah, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7185015/
[17:22] <tedg> jhodapp, That's for flo, does it work on mako?
[17:23] <jhodapp> tedg, it should but I don't have one so I haven't tested it...I can build you a system.img for mako if you like
[17:24] <tedg> jhodapp, Hmm, what's your timeline for landing? Need to see why the sound indicator isn't just picking it up, but not sure I'll beat you.
[17:24] <jhodapp> tedg, this afternoon I'd like to land it
[17:24] <jhodapp> tedg, a mako image is building for you
[17:24] <tedg> jhodapp, Ah, okay. Let me just wait for it to land then.
[17:25] <jhodapp> ok
[17:25] <tedg> Worried that we may only support MPRIS v1
[17:27] <stgraber> ogra_: fixes pushed to cgmanager upstream, now running the new version on my mako and trying to get it to hang
[17:31] <jhodapp> tedg, it should be mostly v2
[17:31] <jhodapp> tedg, or most of rather
[17:35] <om26er> who to talk about ubuntu-system-image code ?
[18:01] <mhall119> RSS Reader meeting about to start in #ubuntu-touch-meeting
[18:10] <sergiusens> om26er: that's barry (as implicitly stated in the testplan) and the "UE Weekly QA Health Snapshot"
[18:11] <om26er> sergiusens, oh, it must be an oversight from my side, anyways thanks :)
[18:11] <sergiusens> np
[18:12] <om26er> barry, Hi! I am automating the system upgrade test plan, my initial test does drive the UI in ubuntu-system-settings though its only testing the upgrade side, so do you think its fine to keep that test code inside ubuntu-system-upgrade ?
[18:13] <barry> om26er: i'm sorry, i don't quite understand
[18:14] <om26er> barry, I am writing auto tests for this plan https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/ubuntu-system-image I am asking is it fine to propose the test addition inside ubuntu-system-upgrade codebase ?
[18:15] <barry> om26er: ah.  do you mean as additional unittests or something else?
[18:15] <om26er> barry, integration tests, rather. which will test the upgrades are working fine
[18:17] <barry> om26er: yeah, it probably does make sense to keep them close to the component you're testing.  if it's most convenient to do so, then by all means, let's do it.  why not put then in a top-level "integration-tests" directory?
[18:18] <barry> om26er: and then the question is, does this directory need to be included in the binary packages?
[18:18] <om26er> barry, we can probably create a separate deb for the test if its fine by you, something ubuntu-system-image-autopilot ?
[18:19] <barry> om26er: will these tests be run by autopilot then?
[18:19] <stgraber> ogra_: up to 65 reboots, no crash so far :)
[18:20] <stgraber> ogra_: my plan is to beat your 273 and call it stable
[18:21] <om26er> barry, its a sum of two. the autopilot tests will run from inside a python unittest which will first flash the device using ubuntu-device-flash, then tests will run on the phone/tablet with autopilot as we want to upgrade the image as a user would do
[18:22] <barry> om26er: so let's call the directory 'autopilot' and be sure to write them in python 3 :)
[18:23] <barry> and i'll add a -autopilot binary package
[18:23] <om26er> barry, oh yeah, for sure.
[18:23] <om26er> my code is already python3 :)
[18:24] <barry> \o/
[18:45] <ogra_> stgraber, hah, good luck :)
[18:47] <stgraber> ogra_: we got a crash after 80 or so runs, unsure what exactly happened since we don't get a crash file... trying to stres it in a more efficient way to figure it out
[18:47] <ogra_> k
[18:48] <ogra_> hmm, i cant remember having ever run tests on my flo ..
[18:48] <ogra_> but obviously i lost the available apps
[18:48]  * ogra_ only sees weird fake apps
[18:55] <davmor2> pmcgowan: in settings→security→dash search you have phone and internet as default and then phone only.  Is phone only meant to only search locally to the device
[18:55] <pmcgowan> let me look but sounds like it
[18:56] <pmcgowan> davmor2, and since its you asking I suspect it doesnt do that?
[18:56] <davmor2> pmcgowan: correct Toykeeper first spotted it
[18:57] <pmcgowan> although it used to, since it took us 30 mins to figure out why someone was not getting remote results
[18:57] <pmcgowan> ah may have broken with new scopes, I wonder
[18:58]  * pmcgowan boots 277
[18:58] <davmor2> pmcgowan: could be
[19:00] <davmor2> pmcgowan: so I had it on Phone only and in the scopes scope I put my home town and there are results :(
[19:03] <pmcgowan> davmor2, so it was working on march 14
[19:03] <pmcgowan> and the log should say online search is off
[19:04] <pmcgowan>  /home/phablet/.cache/unity-scope-click.log that is
[19:04] <pmcgowan> davmor2, do you see apps in the store?
[19:05]  * ogra_ sees fake apps
[19:05] <davmor2> ogra_: that is fixed now do a search it will refresh them
[19:06] <ogra_> was that server side ?
[19:06] <davmor2> ogra_: they did a roll out and accidentally copied over the staging server
[19:06] <ogra_> heh
[19:07] <davmor2> I let them know as soon as I saw it was fixed about 10 minutes ago
[19:10] <davmor2> pmcgowan: http://davmor2.co.uk/~davmor2/screenshots-phone/device-2014-04-04-200735.png and http://davmor2.co.uk/~davmor2/screenshots-phone/device-2014-04-04-200857.png and http://davmor2.co.uk/~davmor2/screenshots-phone/device-2014-04-04-200951.png
[19:14] <davmor2> pmcgowan: that is confirmation of the setting, app search and scopes scope search I can also open grooveshark and get content
[19:15] <pmcgowan> davmor2, sorry, so click scopes does show store apps when internet is off?
[19:15] <davmor2> pmcgowan: yeap if I do a search it gets content in the available section
[19:16] <pmcgowan> davmor2, ok so that is defintely broken in new scopes, it used to work
[19:18] <davmor2> pmcgowan: who's the best person to assign that too is it thomas strehl's team
[19:18] <pmcgowan> yes
[19:18] <davmor2> pmcgowan: thanks
[19:18] <davmor2> ToyKeeper: ^
[19:18] <davmor2> ToyKeeper: also well spotted :)
[19:20] <ToyKeeper> Sorry, I'm a bit behind on filing the bugs I've found...  have had a few other things filling up my time lately.
[19:21] <davmor2> ToyKeeper: if you want I can file you can confirm or visa versa if you're juggling too much
[19:22] <ToyKeeper> The juggling should get a lot easier in the near future.  :)
[19:22] <davmor2> ToyKeeper: NO it won't there is way too much to be getting on with ;)
[19:24] <ToyKeeper> At least 80% of the support load is going away...  but I still have a tendency to get involved in too much at once.
[19:35] <davmor2> ToyKeeper: no idea what you mean
[19:36] <davmor2> ToyKeeper: have you filed or did you want me too
[19:42] <pmcgowan> popey, happy birthday mate
[19:43] <pmcgowan> hes at the pub though ;)
[19:45] <stgraber> ogra_: came up with a much quicker way to test and debug. adb now spaws on startup, I have a reboot job which waits for the container and as soon as it's there, it does a sysrq-trigger to reboot (shortens the reboot by half)
[19:45] <davmor2> pmcgowan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scopes-api/+bug/1302801
[19:46] <stgraber> ogra_: now a whole cycle takes around 20s here
[20:00] <taiebot> Hey guys i know this is a weird bug but it would be nice if the user experience could be improved just by making some cosmetic changes. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1295993
[20:14] <popey> pmcgowan: thanks
[20:18] <popey> davmor2: do you know what package te music scope is?
[20:18] <taiebot> Euh is there a bug with the app store?
[20:19] <taiebot> i have very weird suggestions.
[20:19] <AskUbuntu> Can I install Ubuntu Touch on a Huawei Ascend P6? | http://askubuntu.com/q/443427
[20:24] <taiebot> Has the store been hacked? where are all the apps? i have evil app, fake clock, hammer,  test app
[20:26] <davmor2> taiebot: do a search your device just needs to update
[20:27] <davmor2> popey unity-scope-mediascanner2 off the top of my head
[20:28] <davmor2> taiebot: did that fix it?
[20:28] <taiebot> yep why those apps are appearing? are they test apps on my phone?
[20:29] <taiebot> sorry the app have reappeared as normal
[20:29] <davmor2> no staging apps on the server the wrong db got copied on an update
[20:30] <t1mp> taiebot: I want the evil app :)
[20:30] <davmor2> t1mp: you can't have the evil app it's evil :-P
[20:31] <taiebot> ok thanks. Do you know if it safe to upgrade to devel-proposed stuck on 251 for a while now need my daily dose of updates.
[20:31]  * davmor2 goes offline again
[20:32] <t1mp> taiebot: I thought devel is 250
[20:33] <taiebot> :) my wrong yep 250 is for devel.
[20:33] <t1mp> taiebot: I am running 277 now. Seems ok. In 276 some phones got stuck when rebooting, I don't know if that got fixed for 277
[20:34] <t1mp> maybe it is fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc-android-config/+bug/1302174
[20:34] <t1mp> ah maybe it is this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1302264
[20:35] <taiebot> can i go back to devel after switching to proposed and will i lose any of my data?
[20:35] <t1mp> taiebot: if you are on the phone mailing list, you can read about the bugs in [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 04.04.14
[20:36] <t1mp> in theory you can go back, but if you are using the phone for anything else than development I would wait for the next image promoted to devel
[20:37] <t1mp> I don't want to be the one that gave you advice that caused you to lose your data ;)
[20:39] <taiebot> thanks do you have the command line for the upgrade?
[20:39] <t1mp>  ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel-proposed
[20:39] <t1mp> on your desktop when the phone is connected
[20:40] <t1mp> on the phone I don't know
[20:40] <taiebot> oups i did it... :-D
[20:40] <t1mp> good luck :)
[20:45] <mhall119> does deleting files from /home/phablet/Pictures/ delete cached thumbnails?
[20:45] <mhall119> bfiller: ^^
[20:45] <mhall119> it doesn't appear to
[20:45] <mhall119> mhall@mhall-thinkpad:~/projects/Ubuntu/sdk/coreapps/ubuntu-weather-app$ adb shell ls /home/phablet/.cache/gallery-app/thumbnails/square/ |wc -l
[20:45] <mhall119> 349
[20:45] <mhall119> mhall@mhall-thinkpad:~/projects/Ubuntu/sdk/coreapps/ubuntu-weather-app$ adb shell ls /home/phablet/Pictures/ |wc -l126
[20:45] <mhall119> bah, formatting was off
[20:46] <mhall119> 349 thumbnails, 126 pictures
[20:46] <bfiller> mhall119: not sure about that
[20:47]  * mhall119 is deperate to find room on his N4
[20:48] <mhall119> currently I have 195M in .cache
[20:51] <popey> mhall119: does this help..  adb shell du -a /home/phablet | sort -n -r | head -n 10
[20:52] <mhall119> popey: du -ah /home/phablet | sort -h -r | head -n 10 works better, human-readable sizes FTW
[20:53] <mhall119> looks like webbrowser-app caching for all of these webapps is part of my problem too
[20:54] <mhall119> which I think I have a bug against already
[20:55] <mhall119> but now I can't find it
[21:01] <pmcgowan> davmor2, hey I cant get any images to display when I have wifi  off and just cell on
[21:01] <pmcgowan> the data like for apps is there but not icons
[21:01] <pmcgowan> and weather scope doesnt finish loading
[21:01] <mhall119> pmcgowan: are you sure you have cellular data?
[21:01] <pmcgowan> yes becuase browser is happy and snappy
[21:02] <pmcgowan> my home internet is just 4G anyway, so is the nexus 4
[21:02] <pmcgowan> should be the same
[21:02] <mhall119> I think the N4 is 3G only
[21:02] <pmcgowan> could be
[21:03] <pmcgowan> anyway browser is wicked fast
[21:03] <pmcgowan> and scopes never finish
[21:03] <pmcgowan> no icons at all
[21:03] <pmcgowan> mhall119, does it do better for you?
[21:04] <mhall119> pmcgowan: I'm seeing the same
[21:04] <mhall119> on r250
[21:04] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-04-04-220418.png
[21:04] <popey> like that?
[21:04] <mhall119> I have old scopes still
[21:05] <mhall119> I wonder if this is a bandwidth saving feature, to not download images over cellular
[21:05] <pmcgowan> seems busted
[21:05] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-04-04-220507.png
[21:05] <mhall119> Saviq: ^^
[21:05] <popey> videos scope
[21:05] <pmcgowan> mhall119, yeah its not trying to load them it seems, cause the connection I have is fast
[21:06] <pmcgowan> popey, right, off by default then, -1
[21:07] <mhall119> well now my click scope is gone completely :(
[21:08] <pmcgowan> mhall119, wait 10 secs
[21:08] <pmcgowan> known bug
[21:08] <pmcgowan> at least thats fixed in new scopes
[21:08]  * mhall119 has waited more than 10s
[21:08] <pmcgowan> ok happy hour - later
[21:09] <taiebot> How do i install a click app via adb shell?
[21:09] <popey> adb shell sudo -u phablet pkcon install-local /path/to/file.click
[21:10] <popey> after adb push file.click /path/to
[21:10] <taiebot> thanks
[21:37] <taiebot> Hey I would like to try https://github.com/Diogenesthecynic/FullScreenMario on my N4 i have downloaded the folder on my phone how do i make it start?
[22:15] <matv1> to anyone interested: I have been running ubuntu touch on  Galaxy Nexus and I have to see that it continued to run  really well on most dailys over the past month. Until today that is..
[22:16] <matv1> So just wondering  if anyone else was seeing major issues with build 277
[22:16] <matv1> like random reboots, screen going black, lots of flickering
[22:17] <matv1> If not, then I guess thats the end of Maguro finally